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      Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      HScRed1
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #690: Jan 04, 2023 02:40:56 pm
      Everyone will be f**king gutted if that was Pep's idea :laugh:

      Then why has he ditched it 😁
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #691: Jan 04, 2023 04:25:09 pm
      No reason why Keita can't make up a 4 man midfield. We need more control and certainly more work from midfield. Darwin and Mo have the pace up front.

      Another issue is the delay in playing the speculative ball and with the extra man in midfield gives us a bit more protection. Away to Brighton will be similar to the Brentford game.

      If Klopp goes 4-3-3 I'd play Keita over Thiago. Hendo and Fabinho playing off the back 4. Carvelho in place of The Ox. Or Cody if he's ready,
      « Last Edit: Jan 04, 2023 05:35:54 pm by Harrisimo »
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #692: Jan 04, 2023 05:44:12 pm
      As angry as I was and still am at our performances recently, especially against Brentford, I take solace that it could always be much worse. Just look across the Stanley Park at the bitters for shits and giggles!  :lmao:
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #693: Jan 04, 2023 08:48:36 pm
      This is actually a big part of the reason we have struggled defensively this season, no doubt. It's not just about age, tiredness etc. We've changed from a midfield of 3 work horses, doing the hard yards to provide the platform so that our front 3 + fullbacks can do the attacking, to having a (on paper anyway) more creative midfield 3. With Thiago and Elliot in there plus 1 DM, the balance of midfield is completely different to what it was, and it's not surprising the midfield isn't giving the back 4 as much protection, and isn't as good at the high press.

      Obviously that has been exacerbated by the fact that Fab has been off form and Hendo is struggling to play enough games. (And by the loss of Mane, who was our best high presser. And by the fact our back 4, Robbo apart, have been slack etc etc) But a big lesson of this season, I think, is that we need at least 2 defensively strong, engine room type CMs starting every week, if we want to keep playing our high pressing, high line, high fullbacks style of play, otherwise we are too open. I'm not blaming Jürgen for trying to shift the balance. A lot of us were calling for a more creative midfield. But basically it looks like we've found out that we need at least 2 guys in the centre who are good at the ugly stuff or else the system just doesn't work.


      Tbh don't see that much has changed since the back and forward in the FSG thread in the summer.
      We needed to sign midfielders of the type/quality of Hendo/Gini/Fab, before last summer even, and still do. And we still haven't.
      We lean on Hendo/Fab/Thiago every season - how can we not expect that, over time, unless we refresh, performances won't start to dip eventually.
      Also don't know that people were looking for creative midfielders, just quality to refresh those goto CMs.
      The kids have shown they are not ready to compete at very top level consistently, AOC and Keita are fit, Jones coming back, Bajcetic could be promising - but we 'still' need to start games with two from Hendo/Fab/Thiago.

      Sure there is a long way to go and we can still make top4.
      But it's not like previous seasons because every window we fail to properly replace Hendo/Fab/Thiago, they get older, put more miles on the clock and more at risk of injury.

      Imho the defense have put in some poor individual performances, but the fact that they don't have the cover in front of them that they used to have, is a big factor.

      Bit strange that we signed another attacking winger and not a midfielder of the type we need.
      Dunno, guess it's good to sign any player with potential - but would have thought the priority by a country mile was a quality midfielder.

      Fair enough, maybe the CM guys we want aren't currently available.
      But until we strengthen in CM, can't see us put any consistent run together playing the 4-3-3.

      A 4-2-2 with Mo and Nunez as a front 2 might give more defensive cover - but then we loose attacking edge in games we need to break team down in.
      It's papering the cracks cause we didn't do the CM business we should have, but until that 'is' done it's hard to see how a formation change at least in some games won't be needed. We've been lucky to get 3 points in some recent games.

      If Nunez could start hitting the target, hit some goal form, think that would make a difference - but we're not talking the title anymore, it's top4, which is a bit crap, but so be it, obviously it's very hard to properly challenge for the big one every year.  And there's other trophies to play for.
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #694: Jan 04, 2023 09:26:25 pm
      He's not there to bring creativity, he's literally the destroyer in midfield.
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #695: Jan 05, 2023 09:43:09 am

      Sounds like the whole team then!
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #696: Jan 05, 2023 10:09:16 am

      Tbh don't see that much has changed since the back and forward in the FSG thread in the summer.
      We needed to sign midfielders of the type/quality of Hendo/Gini/Fab, before last summer even, and still do. And we still haven't.
      We lean on Hendo/Fab/Thiago every season - how can we not expect that, over time, unless we refresh, performances won't start to dip eventually.
      Also don't know that people were looking for creative midfielders, just quality to refresh those goto CMs.
      The kids have shown they are not ready to compete at very top level consistently, AOC and Keita are fit, Jones coming back, Bajcetic could be promising - but we 'still' need to start games with two from Hendo/Fab/Thiago.

      Sure there is a long way to go and we can still make top4.
      But it's not like previous seasons because every window we fail to properly replace Hendo/Fab/Thiago, they get older, put more miles on the clock and more at risk of injury.

      Imho the defense have put in some poor individual performances, but the fact that they don't have the cover in front of them that they used to have, is a big factor.

      Bit strange that we signed another attacking winger and not a midfielder of the type we need.
      Dunno, guess it's good to sign any player with potential - but would have thought the priority by a country mile was a quality midfielder.

      Fair enough, maybe the CM guys we want aren't currently available.
      But until we strengthen in CM, can't see us put any consistent run together playing the 4-3-3.

      A 4-2-2 with Mo and Nunez as a front 2 might give more defensive cover - but then we loose attacking edge in games we need to break team down in.
      It's papering the cracks cause we didn't do the CM business we should have, but until that 'is' done it's hard to see how a formation change at least in some games won't be needed. We've been lucky to get 3 points in some recent games.

      If Nunez could start hitting the target, hit some goal form, think that would make a difference - but we're not talking the title anymore, it's top4, which is a bit crap, but so be it, obviously it's very hard to properly challenge for the big one every year.  And there's other trophies to play for.

      Change in formation is probably needed to help the defence. Problem with 4-4-2 is trent and Robbo are really wing backs, so maybe a 3-4-3 suits the current squad better ?

      Perhaps for wolves...

      --------- Gomez - Philips - Konate ----------
      - Trent ----- Hendo ---- Fab ------- Robbo -
      ---- Salah -------- Nunez ------- Ox --------


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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #697: Jan 05, 2023 10:47:50 am
      Change in formation is probably needed to help the defence. Problem with 4-4-2 is trent and Robbo are really wing backs, so maybe a 3-4-3 suits the current squad better ?

      Perhaps for wolves...

      --------- Gomez - Philips - Konate ----------
      - Trent ----- Hendo ---- Fab ------- Robbo -
      ---- Salah -------- Nunez ------- Ox --------




      Drop Ox to bench, start the Dutch kid.
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #698: Jan 05, 2023 11:07:12 am
      Drop Ox to bench, start the Dutch kid.

      This game is set for Cody's debut. Can't see any reason why he shouldn't either start or come on later. Konate and Phillips in central defense. Like to see Doak start this one.
      « Last Edit: Jan 05, 2023 11:14:19 am by Harrisimo »
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #699: Jan 05, 2023 11:44:48 am
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #700: Jan 05, 2023 12:49:32 pm
      I don't really get this "lets chill" type of mentality. One of the main drivers of this club is the demand for success. It's obvious we can't stay at the top forever and a day and success is a very tough mistress but the minute the fans start accepting poor performances and being out of the top 4 is the start of mid table mediocrity.

      Already one club in this city owns that space. No, we sit at the top table, it's not our right but we are right to demand it come what may.
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #701: Jan 05, 2023 12:56:32 pm
      Drop Ox to bench, start the Dutch kid.

      fair doos, but ox gets better with more games, I can see klopp sticking with him to start anyway bring dutch on as sub ?
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #702: Jan 05, 2023 04:54:08 pm
      Why all this hate for Ox. He needs time, he did not play for ages, no wonder he doesnt look like the second coming of Christ. I see definitely good signs. If he can minimize his under-the-radar times on the pitch (as well as staying healthy) he might stay and we save money to buy a midfielder.
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #703: Jan 05, 2023 07:00:23 pm
      Why all this hate for Ox. He needs time, he did not play for ages, no wonder he doesnt look like the second coming of Christ. I see definitely good signs. If he can minimize his under-the-radar times on the pitch (as well as staying healthy) he might stay and we save money to buy a midfielder.

      Yeah because his fitness is so reliable why buy another midfielder 😂

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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #704: Jan 05, 2023 07:15:04 pm
      I don't really get this "lets chill" type of mentality. One of the main drivers of this club is the demand for success. It's obvious we can't stay at the top forever and a day and success is a very tough mistress but the minute the fans start accepting poor performances and being out of the top 4 is the start of mid table mediocrity.

      Already one club in this city owns that space. No, we sit at the top table, it's not our right but we are right to demand it come what may.


      There is a difference between “accepting poor performances” and overreacting

      I don’t believe anyone accepts it but that doesn’t mean they got mental about it all demanding manager , coaches , players getting sacked etc
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #705: Jan 05, 2023 07:54:11 pm
      Why all this hate for Ox. He needs time,


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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #706: Jan 06, 2023 09:47:57 am
      No reason why Keita can't make up a 4 man midfield. We need more control and certainly more work from midfield. Darwin and Mo have the pace up front.

      Another issue is the delay in playing the speculative ball and with the extra man in midfield gives us a bit more protection. Away to Brighton will be similar to the Brentford game.

      If Klopp goes 4-3-3 I'd play Keita over Thiago. Hendo and Fabinho playing off the back 4. Carvelho in place of The Ox. Or Cody if he's ready,

      Keita .... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #707: Jan 06, 2023 10:16:45 am
      Why all this hate for Ox. He needs time, he did not play for ages, no wonder he doesnt look like the second coming of Christ. I see definitely good signs. If he can minimize his under-the-radar times on the pitch (as well as staying healthy) he might stay and we save money to buy a midfielder.





      Holy f***in sh*t fella, the only signs I’m seeing are for the exit door, if he did stay fit and healthy we might just get a packet of wotsits and a chomp for him, he’s been done for at least two seasons now and has never really been a go to Klopp player, personally I’ve never felt he was good enough to play in high intensive games Hense his lack of game time when he was fit.


      Specsavers have a cracking deal on mate !!





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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #708: Jan 06, 2023 01:06:09 pm
      Chamberlain needs time??

      I think I've read it all now.

      Shouldn't even be here this season.
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #709: Jan 06, 2023 04:38:45 pm
      Chamberlain needs time??

      I think I've read it all now.

      Shouldn't even be here this season.

      Have to admit Si certainly made me chuckle  ;D
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      Re: Brentford 3-1 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #710: Jan 06, 2023 11:23:33 pm




      Holy f***in sh*t fella, the only signs I’m seeing are for the exit door, if he did stay fit and healthy we might just get a packet of wotsits and a chomp for him, he’s been done for at least two seasons now and has never really been a go to Klopp player, personally I’ve never felt he was good enough to play in high intensive games Hense his lack of game time when he was fit.


      Specsavers have a cracking deal on mate !!







      He was doing well before the knee injury, but sadly never clawed that form back. Should have been sold on the season after the knee job when it was evident he wasn't gonna be the same player again. Once more, Jürgen being too loyal when he needs to be more ruthless.

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