Liverpool 2-2 Wolves: In game and post match discussion

If Klopp had any balls he’d sit some asses on the bench if they’re not gonna go all out. Put in some guys who actually give a sh*t and will play hard. If we’re gonna lose, I’d rather watch them go down swinging rather than roll over.

Painful watching Matheus Nunes make mince meat of Liverpool’s midfield there knowing Liverpool actively chose not to sign him last summer because they only wanted “the right player”…before signing Arthur Melo on loan deadline day.

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Yeah but we can't, in all fairness, land on Alisson. He has saved the defense so many times that I've lost count. He's had a poor game but he's getting no decent cover.

Klopp needs to earn his crust now.
The squad is way better than what he’s getting out of it.

He needs to either drop the players who have been off form for the best part of a year or find a new system that makes us hard to beat.

Keeping things the same is not an option.

The only way to tighten or shore things up is for Klopp to sacrifice the attacking full backs to protect the weak midfield. The problem there is that you are sacrificing your greatest asset to compensate for your weakest asset.

The other option is we go 4-4-2. The problem with that is we can't even field a capable 3 man midfield so God knows where we find that extra midfielder to accommodate that system.

A 3-5-2 is basically the same as our attacking full back 4-3-3 system which again exposes our midfield.

I have always favoured the 4-2-3-1 system, think Rafa had it to a tee. We have the players to make this work.

What we all seem to be forgetting though is that if FSG hadn't allow this midfield situation to occur in the first place then we wouldn't even be in this situation.

replay isnt *that* disastrous in terms of fixtures as January isnt actually that busy. but the performance was obviously deeply concerning. im very worried about the rest of the season. thought the break might help, but nothing has changed. in fact i actually think we look worse since before the world cup

Carbon copy of the rank bad football we've been served all season, to be honest I don't think any of us can see signs of an upturn anytime soon. Something very very wrong. I've seen loads of worse Liverpool teams than these, but I can't remember such a drop off in quality from the same players from last season to this....It seems strange to think we were in the Champions League final not that long ago.

Would like to see more of Doak. Thought he was full of ideas. He was trying things. Could use some of that now.

The only way to tighten or shore things up is for Klopp to sacrifice the attacking full backs to protect the weak midfield. The problem there is that you are sacrificing your greatest asset to compensate for your weakest asset.

The other option is we go 4-4-2. The problem with that is we can't even field a capable 3 man midfield so God knows where we find that extra midfielder to accommodate that system.

A 3-5-2 is basically the same as our attacking full back 4-3-3 system which again exposes our midfield.

I have always favoured the 4-2-3-1 system, think Rafa had it to a tee. We have the players to make this work.

What we all seem to be forgetting though is that if FSG hadn't allow this midfield situation to occur in the first place then we wouldn't even be in this situation.

Is it not the manager and the recruitment team being the reason 🤷‍♂️ they are the ones that’s spent £120mil on players since July and mainly on forwards and a right back

Yeah but we can't, in all fairness, land on Alisson. He has saved the defense so many times that I've lost count. He's had a poor game but he's getting no decent cover.

When you look at the stats for 'big chances given away', it's pretty clear that without Ali we'd be in the bottom half of the table so not going to go in on him tonight. He was poor but he's saved us so much.

It's more the 10 in front of him that have regularly not turned up for the last 4 months.

Painful watching Matheus Nunes make mince meat of Liverpool’s midfield there knowing Liverpool actively chose not to sign him last summer because they only wanted “the right player”…before signing Arthur Melo on loan deadline day.

Matheus was next level wasn’t he, gliding past our players with ease.

When you look at the stats for 'big chances given away', it's pretty clear that without Ali we'd be in the bottom half of the table so not going to go in on him tonight. He was poor but he's saved us so much.

It's more the 10 in front of him that have regularly not turned up for the last 4 months.

Don’t be so negative we won the last 3 out of 4 before tonight 🤭

Matheus was next level wasn’t he, gliding past our players with ease.

In fairness it's easy to do that when noone is tackling you.

Carbon copy of the rank bad football we've been served all season, to be honest I don't think any of us can see signs of an upturn anytime soon. Something very very wrong. I've seen loads of worse Liverpool teams than these, but I can't remember such a drop off in quality from the same players from last season to this....It seems strange to think we were in the Champions League final not that long ago.

Well, they didn’t just magically get worse. Either they’re not putting in as much effort as before, which there is evidence of, or other teams have figured them out and they haven’t adjusted, which is harder to believe.

Also, is it just me… but I don’t see any creativity. I see other teams scoring or getting good looks in creative ways. I don’t see that from our side.

In fairness it's easy to do that when noone is tackling you.

He allowed to pick up the ball and turn with ease

How is he being “treated” and Klopp won’t walk if they don’t sell the club 🤦‍♂️

He is being treated with disrespect. He is not being given the tools to do the job. The midfield fiasco is the culmination of that disrespect and neglect.

If FSG stay for next Season and continue to neglect the squad do you honestly think Klopp will stay and see his stock decline? Something has to give. FSG have openly admitted they can take us no further without external investment.

Painful watching Matheus Nunes make mince meat of Liverpool’s midfield there knowing Liverpool actively chose not to sign him last summer because they only wanted “the right player”…before signing Arthur Melo on loan deadline day.

Sums up the shambles of last summer. And don't forget giving Curtis Jones a 5 year deal and retaining keita and Chamberlain.

So many good players available last summer and we did f*ck all and boy are we paying a heavy price for it now.

He is being treated with disrespect. He is not being given the tools to do the job. The midfield fiasco is the culmination of that disrespect and neglect.

If FSG stay for next Season and continue to neglect the squad do you honestly think Klopp will stay and see his stock decline? Something has to give. FSG have openly admitted they can take us no further without external investment.

have they? i havent seen any article suggesting that. im no fsg fan, im just wondering if they have come out and said that they cant compete with others?

He is being treated with disrespect. He is not being given the tools to do the job. The midfield fiasco is the culmination of that disrespect and neglect.

If FSG stay for next Season and continue to neglect the squad do you honestly think Klopp will stay and see his stock decline? Something has to give. FSG have openly admitted they can take us no further without external investment.

They have just spent £40mil on a forward ,spent about £80mil on one in the summer - that was the managers choice


How is he being treated with disrespect by them 🤷‍♂️

Sums up the shambles of last summer. And don't forget giving Curtis Jones a 5 year deal and retaining keita and Chamberlain.

So many good players available last summer and we did f*ck all and boy are we paying a heavy price for it now.

1.  what’s wrong with giving Jones a new contract when it’s a player that Klopp clearly likes


2. How many bids did we receive for AOC or Keita ?

If Klopp had any balls he’d sit some asses on the bench if they’re not gonna go all out. Put in some guys who actually give a sh*t and will play hard. If we’re gonna lose, I’d rather watch them go down swinging rather than roll over.

Thought Doak did well when he came on.
But when Elliot and Keita came on we had a midfield that didn't tackle anymore.
Thought Gomez did OK but is he gonna give more going forward than TAA.
AOC won't be digging us out of any hole.
Jota and Diaz will give us some options up front, but that's about it.
Think our best bet might be to change formation/style of play to be harder to beat, though maybe less attractive to watch. Not sure Jürgen will do that though.

Well, they didn’t just magically get worse. Either they’re not putting in as much effort as before, which there is evidence of, or other teams have figured them out and they haven’t adjusted, which is harder to believe.

Also, is it just me… but I don’t see any creativity. I see other teams scoring or getting good looks in creative ways. I don’t see that from our side.

Like you and the rest of us I'm truly at a loss to explain what we are watching week in week out. Miserable times.

This system is SOOO demanding. Hendo, Fab, Gini, Milner, etc. They were all ask to do soo much running. Bobby too. However, eventually it catches up with you. This system absolutely works if you're young and new (I forsee Darwin and Gakpo to do well in time). But when you're older and worn down, you start to show in your legs. We have a bunch of players who are at this point. It happens.

The short term answer is change the tactics. Swallow your pride and go with a 4-2-3-1. The long term answer is most of the players who helped you win everything are going to have to go or take a back seat to newer players.

I'm starting to wonder if Klopp is capable of doing this..... Year 7 funk isn't completely crazy theory when you watch what we're producing this season. We're asking our players to do things I don't think they're capable of doing week in and week out. Maybe we need to ask the club and manager to try something new?

1.  what’s wrong with giving Jones a new contract when it’s a player that Klopp clearly likes


2. How many bids did we receive for AOC or Keita ?

Cant see any bid for AOC coming in. We should have just terminated his contracted few years ago, to free up some space for another homegrown player. Im not sure who decides things like that, but sometimes you just need to be brutal.