Pre-Match: Wolves v Liverpool F.A Cup 3rd Round Replay Tues 17th Jan 19:45

Alisson

Milner (c)
Gomez
Konate
Tsimikas

Elliott
Bajcetic
Keita

Doak
Gakpo
Carvalho

Subs:

Kelleher (GK)
Adrian (GK)
Ramsay
Phillips
Koumetio
Jones
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Clark
Salah

Rested:

Alexander-Arnold
Matip
Robertson
Henderson
Thiago
Fabinho

Injured:

Van Dijk
Arthur
Diaz
Nunez
Jota
Firmino

Play the kids… doesn’t matter actually. It will just be another sh*t performance.

I woukdnt go mad playing loads of kids away to Wolves. That could get really ugly. We still need some form of spine to get the youngsters into the meat of the game otherwise we won't see the ball all match.

I predicted we would take a battering from Brighton. I know the energy levels and quality they can play with on their day.

Wolves don't really batter anybody but they are a threat on transition but struggle to really finish situations off.

This is a free hit. By rights we should be out already. Their third goal was a yard onside.

I think we lose this by the odd goal but we should at least actually be a factor in this game unlike the absolute schooling we received yesterday.

In the end it could all add up to the same thing. Another nail in this seasons coffin.

The prize if we do pull through? Another trip to the Amex

Brighton if we win

It will be interesting to see what kind of reaction we get from the players. I would imagine Klopp has booted a few arses,so I would expect a positve reaction from whoever he selects. 2 1 to us.

I woukdnt go mad playing loads of kids away to Wolves. That could get really ugly. We still need some form of spine to get the youngsters into the meat of the game otherwise we won't see the ball all match.

I predicted we would take a battering from Brighton. I know the energy levels and quality they can play with on their day.

Wolves don't really batter anybody but they are a threat on transition but struggle to really finish situations off.

This is a free hit. By rights we should be out already. Their third goal was a yard onside.

I think we lose this by the odd goal but we should at least actually be a factor in this game unlike the absolute schooling we received yesterday.

In the end it could all add up to the same thing. Another nail in this seasons coffin.

The prize if we do pull through? Another trip to the Amex

We will get battered, 2-0/3-0 but wolves will dominate from start to finish, wolves may not batter anyone but remember who they are playing

We are a poor team with players who have lost all faith in the system and a manager who also seems shot

It will be interesting to see what kind of reaction we get from the players. I would imagine Klopp has booted a few arses,so I would expect a positve reaction from whoever he selects. 2 1 to us.

I’ve been reading this every week, expect a reaction but we instead get worse

We will get battered, 2-0/3-0 but wolves will dominate from start to finish, wolves may not batter anyone but remember who they are playing

We are a poor team with players who have lost all faith in the system and a manager who also seems shot

More Keep The Faith!!

Keep going lad, with that type of support why don't you F**k off to Goodison now.

I’ve been reading this every week, expect a reaction but we instead get worse

A bit like Rafa's last season then?

There's a group of young players that we need to be having a look at to start seeing if they can be part of the squad next season or if they need loaning out. The prize for winning is probably a battering at Brighton again so may as well make some changes.

Would like to see Ramsay, Jones, Bajectic and Doak on Tuesday.

More Keep The Faith!!

Keep going lad, with that type of support why don't you f**k off to Goodison now.

Should be named 'Oh ye of little faith'

Should be named 'Oh ye of little faith'

Spot on. It's getting embarrassing watching the snides trying to get in Klopp out digs.

More Keep The Faith!!

Keep going lad, with that type of support why don't you f**k off to Goodison now.

Nah can go do that, double agent, you are a Delusional prat who can only smash his keyboard with f bombs thinking it makes him look cool, except it shows your intelligence and upbringing

We are getting worse every week and will lose, hopefully we have the game of our season and pull it out but it’s doubtful

It’s people like you that allowed the club to rot with dead wood

Should be named 'Oh ye of little faith'

I have faith next season a new structure will be in place and we will rise again

No thanks to people like you who want to keep mediocrity

A bit like Rafa's last season then?

Rafas last season will be better than our current and that’s with less resources and players sold, Rafa is a better manager and coach

Nah can go do that, double agent, you are a Delusional prat who can only smash his keyboard with f bombs thinking it makes him look cool, except it shows your intelligence and upbringing

Phone actually softlad, so don't have to smash anything you neanderthal inbred muppet
 
I'm a season ticket holder who's been going the game since the 80s and understands what supporting the club and You'll Never Walk Alone actually means.

The armchair jibe hurt didn't it and now your head has fell off. Only delusional pr**k here is you banging on about bringing Rafa back.

Klopp should play this game like it matters. FA-Cup is our only realistic chance for silverware this season.

Rafas last season will be better than our current and that’s with less resources and players sold, Rafa is a better manager and coach

You wouldn't know as you didn't and still don't go the game. Rafa's last season was F***ing grim

It’s people like you that allowed the club to rot with dead wood

You're gonna have to explain your reasoning for that one you utter shithouse!!

Brain F***ing dead as well as delusional eh armchair fan?

I have faith next season a new structure will be in place and we will rise again

No thanks to people like you who want to keep mediocrity

OK Pal makes no sense but crack on

OK Pal makes no sense but crack on

Must be thinking a dream coaching team of Rafa, Gerrard and Carragher are taking over

A mix of young and old would do. Wanna see Doak and Barjetic. Give Jones a run too. This game could potentially go to pens, so keep the likes of Mily and Fab in the squad if we need them.

I say we show some fight and take this. I bet the players are itching to go back to Brighton and try and put it right

Must be thinking a dream coaching team of Rafa, Gerrard and Carragher are taking over

Pellegrini as well.  I don't know why I bother responding have myself to blame

Pellegrini as well.  I don't know why I bother responding have myself to blame

Same here, just pathetic really, but I can't help wanting to wind the tit up!!

Nah can go do that, double agent, you are a Delusional prat who can only smash his keyboard with f bombs thinking it makes him look cool, except it shows your intelligence and upbringing

We are getting worse every week and will lose, hopefully we have the game of our season and pull it out but it’s doubtful

It’s people like you that allowed the club to rot with dead wood

You're aren't gonna start with this top red sh*t are you?

You're aren't gonna start with this top red sh*t are you?

Such a top red he's trying to find a Delorean to take us all back to 2009!!

You're gonna have to explain your reasoning for that one you utter shithouse!!

Brain f**king dead as well as delusional eh armchair fan?

You accept
Mediocrity and allow excuses to run. The club will eventually rise again with a new structure despite people like you

You are in denial, it’s sad to see, wake up and smell the coffee or leaves in your case !

Such a top red he's trying to find a Delorean to take us all back to 2009!!

And your happy is going to the bottom 3 and yes we will finish closer to the bottom three than the top 4 unless something changes

Anyway I don’t want to keep posting about this  here as it’s a match thread

Good luck in whatever you are trying to achieve with your spectacles

You accept
Mediocrity and allow excuses to run. The club will eventually rise again with a new structure despite people like you

You are in denial, it’s sad to see, wake up and smell the coffee or leaves in your case !

And your happy is going to the bottom 3 and yes we will finish closer to the bottom three than the top 4 unless something changes

Anyway I don’t want to keep posting about this  here as it’s a match thread

Good luck in whatever you are trying to achieve with your spectacles

Just put me on ignore you F***ing freak so I don't have to read anymore of your spineless sh*te!!

You're an absolute F***ing disgrace, I wouldn't even call you an armchair fan, you're a F***ing gobs***e.

*F**k it lashed that c**t on ignore.

Just put me on ignore you f**king freak so I don't have to read anymore of your spineless sh*te!!

I don’t ignore anyone you keyboard warrior. That’s weak people like you who smash their boards.

And your happy is going to the bottom 3 and yes we will finish closer to the bottom three than the top 4 unless something changes

Anyway I don’t want to keep posting about this  here as it’s a match thread

Good luck in whatever you are trying to achieve with your spectacles

His spectacles, do you know if he wears glasses ?

His spectacles, do you know if he wears glasses ?

I do!! Expensive Hugo Boss ones

            Ali
TAA Matip Konate Robbo
Keita Hendo Fab Thiago
        Mo  Doak
 
                Ali
    Gomez Matip Konate
TAA Hendo Fab Thiago Robbo
          Mo Doak


Still think if we continue playing 433 we will keep on dropping points.
Need to find some way to stop teams walking through us.
Elliot/Ox/Jones, can't tackle, so can't start.
Keita not great tackling either but at least is more direct and has a shot.
Gapko isn't ready yet, Carvahlo still a bit lightweight, so leaves Mo and I'd give Doak a run, least he has pace and runs at people. Very low on options up front. Could do with Mo getting the F***ing finger out and earning some of the massive cheque he collects every week.

Jürgen said the Brighton game was the worst he's managed at LFC.
Well things aren't going to get better if he doesn't change things tactically.
Goes without saying FSG have fu**ed us, fu**ed Jürgen and left him with a jaded midifield. Sooner they fuckoff the better.
But all that said, Jürgen has to play the cards he's currently dealt - and BETTER than hes playing them at the moment.

Bit of a tough one this - does the boss go full strength to try and get some momentum or bring in the young lads ?


I would go


Alisson

Ramsey
Gomez
Konate
Robbo

Bajectic
Keita
Elliot

Doak
Gakpo
Salah

Bit of a tough one this - does the boss go full strength to try and get some momentum or bring in the young lads ?


I would go


Alisson

Ramsey
Gomez
Konate
Robbo

Bajectic
Keita
Elliot

Doak
Gakpo
Salah

Not sure if Ramsey will play after red card in last U-21 game against spurs.

Not sure if Ramsey will play after red card in last U-21 game against spurs.

Don't think it affects it

Don't think it affects it

Just don't think he'll start Ramsey is all.

Bit of a tough one this - does the boss go full strength to try and get some momentum or bring in the young lads ?

I'd keep playing full strength to allow some new formation/strategy to bed in, or until we turn some corner, or at least look like we are STARTING to turn some corner.
Plus, think if we go with the 2nd stringers from start, we get beat.

Not sure if Ramsey will play after red card in last U-21 game against spurs.

Can see Klopp making a number of changes after Saturday

I'd keep playing full strength to allow some new formation/strategy to bed in, or until we turn some corner, or at least look like we are STARTING to turn some corner.
Plus, think if we go with the 2nd stringers from start, we get beat.

So no difference then

I'd keep playing full strength to allow some new formation/strategy to bed in, or until we turn some corner, or at least look like we are STARTING to turn some corner.
Plus, think if we go with the 2nd stringers from start, we get beat.

The players coming in like Gomez , Keita , Elliot , Bajetic, Doak give the team a lot more legs and energy - got to shake things up a bit and give some of them 7 days to rest for the Chelsea game

So no difference then

We're already loosing consistently with our '1st choicers'.  The difference would be to try a different formation.

The players coming in like Gomez , Keita , Elliot , Bajetic, Doak give the team a lot more legs and energy - got to shake things up a bit and give some of them 7 days to rest for the Chelsea game

Wouldn't bring all them at same time, but would have no problem with changes.
With Keita , Elliot , Bajetic across the middle though, just imho, we'd have no one protecting the back4.

Some changes i would make:

Gomez at right back
Bajetic and Keita in Central midfield to replace Henderson and Fabinho
Nunez comes in up front if fit. If not, Carvalho starts with Gakpo and Salah.

Allison
Gomez
Matip
Konate
Robertson

Bajetic
Thiago
Keita

Salah
Nunez
Gakpo

Must be thinking a dream coaching team of Rafa, Gerrard and Carragher are taking over

Pellegrini as well.  I don't know why I bother responding have myself to blame

 

Don't forget Sammy Lee!

Bit of a tough one this - does the boss go full strength to try and get some momentum or bring in the young lads ?


I would go


Alisson

Ramsey
Gomez
Konate
Robbo

Bajectic
Keita
Elliot

Doak
Gakpo
Salah

This is close, but Milner.starts at right back I reckon, Phillips for Konate and.Kostas for Robbo. Jürgen selects this one. With an eye on Chelsea match Saturday at Noon.

It’s clear our weakness is our ability to be compact whilst high up the pitch which klopp has mentioned, players are simply not getting into their positions to close down or close the space as he puts it quick enough

We also are giving the ball away loosely, I have no doubt klopp won’t change his style but I hope he does until the end of the season. The key is to change our fluid system to a more rigid one imo as it’s all we need

Alisson

Taa- full backs with license to go
Gomez
Konate
Robbo

Fab sitting in front of the top two, in a rigid system

Bajectic- next go fab sitting ensuring nobody can run through us

Keita, again sitting in front a bit fluid, really making us solid, the two behind also may need to cover full backs and Keita must drop back

Doak
Gakpo
Salah


Just have 5 very compact and defensive to stop teams running at us, when teams have the ball, have a 4-2-2-2 like shape and 9 behind the ball at all times imo

Make us hard to beat, try to take it to penalties, get draws instead of defeats, call it being negative but it beats watching us being ripped apart

I'm expecting at least a fight from whoever start this game, for the club, for the supporters, for the boss and for themselves.

Klopp should play this game like it matters. FA-Cup is our only realistic chance for silverware this season.

True. I can't stand him playing Academy players almost every time we play a cup game unless we're in a semi-final. Losing this would be a big hit, and I would not be mad if he leaves after that. It's a must-win.

True. I can't stand him playing Academy players almost every time we play a cup game unless we're in a semi-final. Losing this would be a big hit, and I would not be mad if he leaves after that. It's a must-win.

Klopp is going nowhere.

As for wolves ... who should he pick. Nobody is in form. You can't pick a team on names alone. I'd freshen it up and give some of the others a go. Can't do any worse cam they.

                             Alisson

Trent         Gomez            konate      Robertson

                      Keita            Bajcetic

   Doak                     Elliot                  Gapko

                                 Salah

True. I can't stand him playing Academy players almost every time we play a cup game unless we're in a semi-final. Losing this would be a big hit, and I would not be mad if he leaves after that. It's a must-win.

You've uncovered why we struggled last season in the Cups..........

Not sure why the 4th round replay would be such a big hit, and what is wrong with people talking.about Jürgen leaving?

Not sure what to expect against Wolves tomorrow. Showing some fight and not conceding an early goal, will do for starters. In fact keeping a clean sheet appears almost impossible nowadays.

Start all the U18’s at least they will run!

Expecting our lads to be super fit for this after not playing football last weekend.

Is it bad that I'm not even looking forward to watching. Ugh, hate this feeling.

Expecting our lads to be super fit for this after not playing football last weekend.

They are fortunate they are not paid by performance !

Expecting our lads to be super fit for this after not playing football last weekend.

Haven't played football this year!!!

On redmen tv podcast one of the guys said that we had 6 weeks to fix our season. We have actually got worse.

On redmen tv podcast one of the guys said that we had 6 weeks to fix our season. We have actually for worse.

I reckon they're on about getting the team right to face Real!!

                Kelleher

Ramsay  Matip   Konate  Kostas

Trent  Hendo  Bacjectic  Robbo

            Salah  Gakpo

Is it bad that I'm not even looking forward to watching. Ugh, hate this feeling.

No mate it’s reality at the moment. Used to love building my week around us playing, now it’s a case of hoping for the best.

I' sill going for the win, but something deep inside me says it wont happen. Just gotta go out and give it 100 % and hope we get a win to create a bit of belief and confidence again. Certainly don't want too many youngsters in there. If the senior pro's don't do it, the youngsters will be decimated.

COME ON YOU RED MEN. PRIDE IN THE SHIRT, LETS GET INTO THESE AND SHOW THEM WHO WE REALY ARE !

NB: Team no longer available

We are win from somewhere.

With Klopps talk of going back to basics I'm expecting us to be more compact and less like the Milwaukee Bucks running forwards and chasing backwards all game long. Which I must admit is long over due for this team.

Playing basic football and building slowly from there doesn't bide well for the next few games though, and only once we have built our way back to playing how a good Liverpool team plays will we start getting some results.

For now I'm expecting our lads in a show of contrition to the fans and with a flee in their ear off themselves and the coaches to be more preoccupied in staying in their defensive shape off the ball than scoring goals so we might find our games are much lower scoring this next few weeks.

This is a cup game and in the end someone will win today so if we keep it tight long enough we might nick something or get ourselves to penalties.

Im guessing this back to basics Klopp is talking about will see our full backs play deeper and us have   less chances to score ourselves. It will take a bit of getting used to.

What we are talking about here in the short term in ensuring we are compact won't get many off their seats and probably won't be good enough to actually win a lot games. Ultinately we will have to expand beyond the basics at some point.

Klopps job now is ultimately to find the right balance but I applaud the basic sentiment of building back from the bottom up.

Something has to change, even if it’s only swapping this player for that, along with arses being booted I’m all for donating spells on the bench for one or two of our regular shoe in starters…it’s a gamble but so is walking out your front door every day, you just don’t think about it…..I’d give this a go and if it doesn’t work we haven’t lost anything accept a wee bit of pride which is already damaged………..

                        Kelleher
             Trent.Matip Konate Robbo
                 Fabinho  Bacjetic
             Doak.   Thiago.   Gakpo
                         Salah

It’s a bit light in midfield but, like I said it’s a gamble and we have to try something different, don’t want to see, Hendo, Ox, Milner, Naby, in at the start and only brought on late on or if absolutely necessary,

I would like to see some of the academy lads on the bench too, we can have 5 subs so for me three of them used should be young lads either making debuts or taking another chance,

The bench should look something like this….

Alisson, Ramsey, Phillips, Hendo, Clark, Kostas, Carvalho, Naby, Jones,

No Darwin tonight be sounds of it

Klopp tried to change the system at weekend. Wondering if he will try something else tonight. Will defo be changes. youth will be added.

Something has to change, even if it’s only swapping this player for that, along with arses being booted I’m all for donating spells on the bench for one or two of our regular shoe in starters…it’s a gamble but so is walking out your front door every day, you just don’t think about it…..I’d give this a go and if it doesn’t work we haven’t lost anything accept a wee bit of pride which is already damaged………..

                        Kelleher
             Trent.Matip Konate Robbo
                 Fabinho  Bacjetic
             Doak.   Thiago.   Gakpo
                         Salah

It’s a bit light in midfield but, like I said it’s a gamble and we have to try something different, don’t want to see, Hendo, Ox, Milner, Naby, in at the start and only brought on late on or if absolutely necessary,

I would like to see some of the academy lads on the bench too, we can have 5 subs so for me three of them used should be young lads either making debuts or taking another chance,

The bench should look something like this….

Alisson, Ramsey, Phillips, Hendo, Clark, Kostas, Carvalho, Naby, Jones,

Have a feeling a lot of the team that started saturday wont start, klopp hinted that he just cant play them. basically sunday to rest, then light training yesterday for those guys.

soo....

------------- Ali ----------------
Ramsey - Philips - Gomez - Kostas
--------  Bacjetic Naby --------
---- Elliott - Jones - Carvhalo ---
--------- Doak -----------------

Heavy strong bench !!!

Let’s see if there is a change in formation tonight after his presser yesterday.

But we have been here before so fingers crossed.

I would certainly play Kelleher, he did OK in cup completions last season, besides give Alisson a break.

Just don’t give a F**k at the moment but obviously hope we win

I would certainly play Kelleher, he did OK in cup completions last season, besides give Alisson a break.

Yea I wont be surprised if he starts tbh.

Think the Boss has said Alisson will be the keeper in the FA cup. It's about the tactics for me. Been all over the place recently. Has to get a grip of the midfield and do something about the high line. Bulk up the midfield, play a 3-5-2...whatever it takes we need a disciplined performance.

Getting stuffed tonight will really set the alarm bells ringing.

     The team I’d play
 
TAA Konate Gomez Tsimikas
             
                 Fab
        Keita       Jones
   
Salah    Gakpo  Carvalho


Or

Jones out for Elliot. 442 with Elliot and Carvalho wide and Salah and Gakpo up top.

Think the Boss has said Alisson will be the keeper in the FA cup. It's about the tactics for me. Been all over the place recently. Has to get a grip of the midfield and do something about the high line. Bulk up the midfield, play a 3-5-2...whatever it takes we need a disciplined performance.

Getting stuffed tonight will really set the alarm bells ringing.

Ringing more than they already are?

Look, we are going to rest a lot of our regular starters tonight as the league is by far our priority (we are not going to win the Champions League this season, we just aren't). You play to win every  match of course, but it is going to be a tall order to qualify for European football next season. I feel like the m.o. with the team at this point is about rebuilding the type of team that can contend for top honors everywhere. Jürgen is the man to lead us there, but the project will take some time. There's injured players to rehabilitate, young players to blood in and new players to recruit. We'll be working on it for at least 8 months.

Said Darwin is very close but I wouldn't think it's worth the risk. These pacy guys can pull up sharpish and miss 6 games.

Milner, Jones, Fab in mid. I'd add Thiago in there and play Mo & Cody up top.

Ringing more than they already are?

Look, we are going to rest a lot of our regular starters tonight as the league is by far our priority (we are not going to win the Champions League this season, we just aren't). You play to win every  match of course, but it is going to be a tall order to qualify for European football next season. I feel like the m.o. with the team at this point is about rebuilding the type of team that can contend for top honors everywhere. Jürgen is the man to lead us there, but the project will take some time. There's injured players to rehabilitate, young players to blood in and new players to recruit. We'll be working on it for at least 8 months.

Robby,

What makes you think we can't win the Champions league this season ?
I know we wouldn't, but what if we prioritised the C/L and went all out to win it, as winners you are automatically in next year's competition.  Less games than in the league for a top four finish.
As I said we wouldn't do it but just a thought.

Robby,

What makes you think we can't win the Champions league this season ?
I know we wouldn't, but what if we prioritised the C/L and went all out to win it, as winners you are automatically in next year's competition.  Less games than in the league for a top four finish.
As I said we wouldn't do it but just a thought.

Short answer is we concede too many and don't score enough - but I think a few players have dropped off more and faster than expected. It is very difficult for me to imagine us putting in the types of performances required over 7 matches to win that competition.

True. I can't stand him playing Academy players almost every time we play a cup game unless we're in a semi-final. Losing this would be a big hit, and I would not be mad if he leaves after that. It's a must-win.

Disagree the regulars have been dog turd, couldnt care less about this competition this season, won it last year and finsihg 10th in the league with and FA cup win wouldnt be worth celebrating.

I want to see the kids play especially in midfield, something has to change and since i doubt the sytem will it has to be the personel. Id be happy to lose with kids and see a performace than watch the same dross being served up yet again with the usual faces.

Short answer is we concede too many and don't score enough - but I think a few players have dropped off more and faster than expected. It is very difficult for me to imagine us putting in the types of performances required over 7 matches to win that competition.

I can’t believe people think we have the slightest chance in the UCL - we’re absolutely finished this season.

I can’t believe people think we have the slightest chance in the UCL - we’re absolutely finished this season.

In terms of trophies, yes.

I'm trying to think of the remainder of this season as a phase of discovering/selecting/building the pieces to another world class football team. Sure the time table jumped us a little bit here, but think of the adventure we've had since Jürgen arrived. Here's the next chapter of that just about to begin.

I can’t believe people think we have the slightest chance in the UCL - we’re absolutely finished this season.

Where were you in 2005? No one believed we could get to Istanbul. I even got laughed at for suggesting just that during the 1-0 home defeat in the qualifier against the Austrian team we played. Would of loved to have seen those lads in Istanbul!!

We're F***ing Liverpool FC of course we've still got a chance. Plus we owe those Franco tw*ts.

Of course we have a chance to win the Champions league, we've done it with a much worse team in the past and against a team better than any in this years one. Well you could say Man City's team is that quality or close but they fumble and can't win it, this year they might but no point just not even having any hope in winning it ourselves. I still want us to try to win the FA cup, I want to see the playing pick up their downed tools and do something for the manager for all the stuff he's done for them, make them into world renowned names, like Salah for instance, a reject now whoaaaow Salah this that and the everything, repay the manager, TAA get your head back in order, Robbo, stop running around like a wild turkey, Fabinho, stop playing like an old age pensioner who can't be arsed etc etc.
 

Where were you in 2005? No one believed we could get to Istanbul. I even got laughed at for suggesting just that during the 1-0 home defeat in the qualifier against the Austrian team we played. Would of loved to have seen those lads in Istanbul!!

We're f**king Liverpool FC of course we've still got a chance. Plus we owe those Franco tw*ts.

Istanbul and the run to the final was built on defensive dominance, organisation ... discipline and doing alot of running.

This team couldn't keep a clean sheet if their lives depended on it. We don't score many. We don't run much. We've got no discipline, no shape, no tactics and a severe lack of quality in midfield.

That team had Gerrard as well.

Whilst this team quality wise should be better than 05 ... I don't see any reason to believe we can win the CL this season. I see Madrid putting 3 or 4 past us in both games sadly.

It is sport though ... anything can happen. So whilst I can't see it ... its not impossible obviously.

Istanbul and the run to the final was built on defensive dominance, organisation ... discipline and doing alot of running.

This team couldn't keep a clean sheet if their lives depended on it. We don't score many. We don't run much. We've got no discipline, no shape, no tactics and a severe lack of quality in midfield.

That team had Gerrard as well.

Whilst this team quality wise should be better than 05 ... I don't see any reason to believe we can win the CL this season. I see Madrid putting 3 or 4 past us in both games sadly.

It is sport though ... anything can happen. So whilst I can't see it ... its not impossible obviously.

The same Gerrard that got run ragged by Kaka in the first half of the final?

We also still had Didi!!