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      Football Governance White Paper
      Feb 23, 2023 11:53:50 am
      https://twitter.com/skysportsnews/status/1628676124065538050?s=46&t=P31WERBGgvkVaPTMtRy1pw


      It’s a shame it’s too late to save the likes of Bury


      But hopefully it will protect clubs going forward


      Also I like the idea of more money filtering down the leagues and into grass roots 
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      Re: Football Governance White Paper
      Reply #1: Feb 23, 2023 12:00:21 pm
      It is a great shame to see smaller clubs fold up through lack of finance. After all these clubs form the grassroots of football, by providing players who break through the ranks to become household names.
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      Reply #2: Feb 23, 2023 12:27:34 pm
      I like the idea, let’s hope nothing gets in the way.
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      Reply #3: Feb 23, 2023 05:36:51 pm
      I like the idea, let’s hope nothing gets in the way.

      I see the c**t at West Ham is already whingeing about it.
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      Reply #4: Feb 23, 2023 06:11:39 pm
      I see the c**t at West Ham is already whingeing about it.

      Yep

      He knows it takes money away from his club


      Every single fan should be behind it and the clubs should also - especially to filter the money to the grass roots and lower leagues but we know the greed will make them fight it
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      Reply #5: Feb 23, 2023 07:15:18 pm
      I don’t get why the Clubs in lower leagues should get filtered down payments?

      And it’s not me being greedy or controversial I just don’t understand why they need it?

      My local corner shop doesn’t get hand outs from Asda.

      Surely if these lower league clubs need more money then they are not living within their means?

      Grassroots at a youth level I get but not so much the lower league clubs.
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      Reply #6: Feb 23, 2023 08:29:23 pm
      I see the c**t at West Ham is already whingeing about it.

      Which kunt is that.
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      Reply #7: Feb 23, 2023 08:49:52 pm

      The one that isn't dead!!

      Sullivan
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      Reply #8: Feb 23, 2023 08:51:52 pm
      The one that isn't dead!!

      Sullivan

      You don’t take any prisoners do you.  :lmao:
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      Reply #9: Feb 23, 2023 09:08:27 pm
      You don’t take any prisoners do you.  :lmao:

      It's the usual greedy crying fuckers crying over this regulator though.

      PL CEO Richard Masters whingeing saying you have to watch it doesn't take the game sidewards or backwards and Parrish of Palace having a bi*ch too.

      I don’t get why the Clubs in lower leagues should get filtered down payments?

      And it’s not me being greedy or controversial I just don’t understand why they need it?

      My local corner shop doesn’t get hand outs from Asda.

      Surely if these lower league clubs need more money then they are not living within their means?

      Grassroots at a youth level I get but not so much the lower league clubs.

      Rich get richer, not exactly a good look is it?
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      Reply #10: Feb 23, 2023 10:09:40 pm
      It's the usual greedy crying fuckers crying over this regulator though.

      PL CEO Richard Masters whingeing saying you have to watch it doesn't take the game sidewards or backwards and Parrish of Palace having a bi*ch too.

      Rich get richer, not exactly a good look is it?

      That’s football though, right?
      If you are in league two and you can’t make ends meet then you either are paying too much in wages or it’s simply not a viable business model?

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      Reply #11: Feb 23, 2023 10:18:53 pm
      I don’t get why the Clubs in lower leagues should get filtered down payments?

      And it’s not me being greedy or controversial I just don’t understand why they need it?

      My local corner shop doesn’t get hand outs from Asda.

      Surely if these lower league clubs need more money then they are not living within their means?

      Grassroots at a youth level I get but not so much the lower league clubs.

      This is actually an interesting point.

      Grassroots I'd challenge anyone to argue against as you say but your point about lower league clubs is definitely a discussion point.

      Most of us who are comfortable enough with our current owners mention a lot about the club within its means so surely if we like that for our club that should be the ambition for all clubs?
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      Reply #12: Feb 23, 2023 10:19:12 pm
      Not holding my breath that this will make any difference
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      Reply #13: Feb 23, 2023 10:31:47 pm
      I don’t get why the Clubs in lower leagues should get filtered down payments?

      And it’s not me being greedy or controversial I just don’t understand why they need it?

      My local corner shop doesn’t get hand outs from Asda.

      Surely if these lower league clubs need more money then they are not living within their means?

      Grassroots at a youth level I get but not so much the lower league clubs.

       I think you (unintentionally) do a disservice to the history of these institutions. Football clubs are community assets whose heritage and social value marks them out as fundamentally distinct from other types of business. That is why solidarity payments exist. There is a recognition that cubs are part of a wider system mutually dependent on one another. If buying a four pack of lager from your local corner shop inspires in you as much delight and ecstasy as watching the redmen win trophies that's a troubling state of affairs.

      Far from encouraging clubs to live beyond their means, a more equitable distribution of funding (in tandem with rules on financial management) would promote financial health by reducing financial disparities which lessens the incentive for clubs to gamble beyond their means in order to achieve promotion or avoid relegation.
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      Reply #14: Feb 23, 2023 10:39:33 pm
      I think you (unintentionally) do a disservice to the history of these institutions. Football clubs are community assets whose heritage and social value marks them out as fundamentally distinct from other types of business. That is why solidarity payments exist. There is a recognition that cubs are part of a wider system mutually dependent on one another. If buying a four pack of lager from your local corner shop inspires in you as much delight and ecstasy as watching the redmen win trophies that's a troubling state of affairs.

      Far from encouraging clubs to live beyond their means, a more equitable distribution of funding (in tandem with rules on financial management) would promote financial health by reducing financial disparities which lessens the incentive for clubs to gamble beyond their means in order to achieve promotion or avoid relegation.

      I see your point. I just don’t think they should get payments. Some of these clubs are losing tens of thousands a week. They get less than a thousand fans attend. At the end of the day it’s a business.
      Communities have lots of traditions. Some old pubs or shops that have been there since before football even existed. But they close down and become car parks if they don’t make ends meet.
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      Reply #15: Feb 23, 2023 10:43:52 pm
      I think you (unintentionally) do a disservice to the history of these institutions. Football clubs are community assets whose heritage and social value marks them out as fundamentally distinct from other types of business. That is why solidarity payments exist. There is a recognition that cubs are part of a wider system mutually dependent on one another. If buying a four pack of lager from your local corner shop inspires in you as much delight and ecstasy as watching the redmen win trophies that's a troubling state of affairs.

      Far from encouraging clubs to live beyond their means, a more equitable distribution of funding (in tandem with rules on financial management) would promote financial health by reducing financial disparities which lessens the incentive for clubs to gamble beyond their means in order to achieve promotion or avoid relegation.
      Well made point. Far more to life than money.
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      Reply #16: Feb 24, 2023 09:43:09 pm
      Well made point. Far more to life than money.

      Tell that to FSG
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      Reply #17: Feb 25, 2023 12:24:14 pm
      I think you (unintentionally) do a disservice to the history of these institutions. Football clubs are community assets whose heritage and social value marks them out as fundamentally distinct from other types of business. That is why solidarity payments exist. There is a recognition that cubs are part of a wider system mutually dependent on one another. If buying a four pack of lager from your local corner shop inspires in you as much delight and ecstasy as watching the redmen win trophies that's a troubling state of affairs.

      Far from encouraging clubs to live beyond their means, a more equitable distribution of funding (in tandem with rules on financial management) would promote financial health by reducing financial disparities which lessens the incentive for clubs to gamble beyond their means in order to achieve promotion or avoid relegation.

      Not just community assets but institutions that have been, in some cases, absolutely financially raped by unscrupulous greedy b***ard owners.

      Look at what Deadpool and Always Sunny in Philadelphia are doing with Wrexham and how the football club can benefit a community.
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      Reply #18: Feb 25, 2023 12:44:21 pm

      The thread isn’t another FSG punchbag
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      Reply #19: Feb 25, 2023 01:29:16 pm
      I think you (unintentionally) do a disservice to the history of these institutions. Football clubs are community assets whose heritage and social value marks them out as fundamentally distinct from other types of business. That is why solidarity payments exist. There is a recognition that cubs are part of a wider system mutually dependent on one another. If buying a four pack of lager from your local corner shop inspires in you as much delight and ecstasy as watching the redmen win trophies that's a troubling state of affairs.

      Far from encouraging clubs to live beyond their means, a more equitable distribution of funding (in tandem with rules on financial management) would promote financial health by reducing financial disparities which lessens the incentive for clubs to gamble beyond their means in order to achieve promotion or avoid relegation.

      Great post
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      Reply #20: Feb 25, 2023 02:14:56 pm
      I see your point. I just don’t think they should get payments. Some of these clubs are losing tens of thousands a week. They get less than a thousand fans attend. At the end of the day it’s a business.
      Communities have lots of traditions. Some old pubs or shops that have been there since before football even existed. But they close down and become car parks if they don’t make ends meet.

      I guess it comes down to our values and what we want to prioritise in life. Do we want to work together to help preserve tradition and local communities etc ... or, do we want more car parks?

      You talk about it like it's a natural event like a hurricane or earthquake ... it isn't. It is something we can work to protect and preserve - if we want to.

      For all their faults, FSG are an interesting example of this. Ticket prices at Liverpool have been frozen for a number of years now - for the owners that means (in real terms) they have fallen. But the demand for tickets is huge - they could probably double the prices if they wanted to and still sell out most games such is the demand. It'd be hugely unpopular and it would harm relations with fans but, like you say, football is a business.

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