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      No transfer > wrong transfer?

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      sarnobat
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      No transfer > wrong transfer?
      Aug 23, 2023 10:10:45 pm
      There's so much negative PR because of our "failure" to sign all the players we wanted but I feel like half of those voices are just looking for retail therapy.

      That would have gotten me excited back in 2002 but we ended up signing Diouf, Diao, Diarra and Cheyrou.

      Is there something to be said for sticking to high quality even if it means having to play the waiting game, and if we just don't have the money (or are not willing to mortgage our future), we're doing the right thing?

      My only criticism is not from this window, but from 3 years ago after we won the league and were not succession planning enough. I was worried back then but all the positive PR drowned those voices out mostly.
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      Re: No transfer > wrong transfer?
      Reply #1: Aug 23, 2023 10:16:36 pm
      In a word yes.

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      Reply #2: Aug 23, 2023 11:10:30 pm

      My only criticism is not from this window, but from 3 years ago after we won the league and were not succession planning enough. I was worried back then but all the positive PR drowned those voices out mostly.

      Strange conclusion to reach if you ask me. If the criticism applied when we won the league, this summer is an a fortiori case by comparison given the shortcomings that were exposed last season. I think we started the window well and like the fact that reliability is a key attribute of the players we've signed but I think we've not yet gone far enough and are leaving it pretty late to get the work done.
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      Reply #3: Aug 24, 2023 12:51:21 am
      Strange conclusion to reach if you ask me. If the criticism applied when we won the league, this summer is an a fortiori case by comparison given the shortcomings that were exposed last season. I think we started the window well and like the fact that reliability is a key attribute of the players we've signed but I think we've not yet gone far enough and are leaving it pretty late to get the work done.

      1) 2 good midfielders and 2) refusing to match Chelsea's ludicrous bid, and 3) limiting our bid to what we felt was fair value for a 19 year old, wouldn't have felt like an awful transfer window (though it does) had we bought a central midfielder 12 months ago.

      What's worse than having a thin squad is having a bloated one where half the players are mediocre and money is going down the drain on wages while better players out there are joining rivals and we can't offload benchwarmers who are happy to collect a paycheck (didn't Rafa have about 35 players at one point?).

      I hate that we're relying on Jones, Bajcetic and Thiago but padding our squad to avoid playing these players with affordable players is best done in small doses (so I'm accepting of this Stuttgart bloke even though it's an exception to buying top talent).
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      Reply #4: Sep 07, 2023 02:23:43 pm
      From, Everton, to Man United, to Leicester City, to Villa, to Forest to West Ham, to Chelsea.

      There are clubs that spend and splash major cash during transfer windows in every season and then do absolutely nothing on the pitch.

      What really matters is what happens during the 90 mins at the end of the day. It's important to remember that every summer and not start freaking out.

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      Reply #5: Sep 07, 2023 03:15:23 pm
      From, Everton, to Man United, to Leicester City, to Villa, to Forest to West Ham, to Chelsea.

      There are clubs that spend and splash major cash during transfer windows in every season and then do absolutely nothing on the pitch.

      What really matters is what happens during the 90 mins at the end of the day. It's important to remember that every summer and not start freaking out.


      Eh, you'd think people would have learned by now, but they won't. As the season progresses, the moment we drop points the usual people go "where's my calculator! i need to look at our net spend"
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      Reply #6: Sep 07, 2023 03:55:40 pm
      Eh, you'd think people would have learned by now, but they won't. As the season progresses, the moment we drop points the usual people go "where's my calculator! i need to look at our net spend"

      M8 its every season the same thing. We've seen this happen time an time again.

      Like you said, a team will have a rough run of games and suddenly everyone is sh*t and same players start getting scapegoated

      Or my fave is after 10/12 games a mid table team will be doing really well, get all the plaudits and then suddenly drop off and no one mentions it ever again. ;D
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      Reply #7: Aug 14, 2024 09:45:35 am
      Decent time to revisit this thread.

      For me it's still a yes no transfer is better than the wrong transfer.

      Otherwise you go down the route if the mancs and Chelsea's scattergun approach just to get players in the door
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      Re: No transfer > wrong transfer?
      Reply #8: Aug 14, 2024 09:53:34 am
      Decent time to revisit this thread.

      For me it's still a yes no transfer is better than the wrong transfer.

      Otherwise you go down the route if the mancs and Chelsea's scattergun approach just to get players in the door

      Yep - better to not sign anyone than sign the wrong person

      It’s something the Mancs have also done
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      Reply #9: Aug 14, 2024 10:31:11 am
      Our reasoning is absolute toffee. Joyce reports we legit don't see anyone besides Zubimendi as being able to improve our DM positioning. What a load of toffee bullshit.

      The player we do end up signing, probably next year, will have been available this window. Incompetent or lazy arses we have running the asylum, probably both.

      Anyone we can get next summer, we could've/can get this summer. We're being F***ing petty cretins.
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      Re: No transfer > wrong transfer?
      Reply #10: Aug 14, 2024 11:13:57 am
      It's not about net spend or comparing to other clubs it's about filling spots that have been identified as In need of repair it isn't hard to see that .
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      Re: No transfer > wrong transfer?
      Reply #11: Aug 14, 2024 11:53:24 am
      Our reasoning is absolute toffee. Joyce reports we legit don't see anyone besides Zubimendi as being able to improve our DM positioning. What a load of toffee bullshit.

      This all day.

      Of course no transfer is better than the wrong transfer. You’d have to be pretty ‘duh’ to say otherwise.

      But don’t anyone use it as an excuse to sit on your hands all summer whilst others are strengthening. This idea that Zubimendi is/was the only 6 in world football who could come in and provide an upgrade is absolute bollox. They should have identified several targets and then be in position to move onto the next one. It’s not rocket science. Now we are on the brink of the new season the players get that little bit tougher to sign, the price goes up, the selling club have less time to find replacements and of course they have less time to acclimatise to the club.

      Wake up Richard Hughes there are plenty of “right” transfers out there to be found.
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      Re: No transfer > wrong transfer?
      Reply #12: Aug 14, 2024 03:46:50 pm
      Of course no transfer is better than the wrong transfer. You know what else is better than the wrong transfer? The right one :D

      The right one doesn't have to be a world class player that wants to go to Madrid, or a player in his prime that wants to stay with his boyhood club or a player that wants the "big lights" of London, it could be (and often probably is) a player unearthed or analyzed statistically that suits the way our manager wants to play.

      There's not just one player in all of the world that could improve upon Endo (if you believe that's what Slot is trying to do). There's likely 10's or more. Now if you are trying to be perfect, good luck, that doesn't ever happen. For every Robertson you may get a Ramsay. You just don't know but you don't stop trying to identify solutions to problems that everyone can see are there.

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