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      Is English officiating corrupt?

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      Harrisimo
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1288: Mar 31, 2024 09:05:12 pm
      Issue for arguing sake is,with all these refs getting an anti LFC tag, managers feel they can get an advantage by falling over or exaggerating. Saw it with Pochettino with his Chelsea mob. Tierney was the Ref and Chelsea players threw themselves to the ground at the least little touch.

      Tierney was on to them from the off and ignored their blatant cheating. Wasn't as obvious today but the foul count, 20-6 suggests DeZerbi or some of their players thought Coote would be sympathetic and may be he was. Has to be said, to be fair,when our blood is up, we do over committ, but 20-6....bit of a stretch.
      « Last Edit: Mar 31, 2024 09:22:17 pm by Harrisimo »
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1289: Mar 31, 2024 09:11:30 pm
      His surname sounds like a swear word as in 'He's such a coote'. Gives off the air of someone who's never been satisfied in life. Was it true he was having a go at the ball boys as well? F***ing dieve.

      No - there were a number of balls behind the goal and they had to be moved ( due to the goal line technology)
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1290: Mar 31, 2024 09:16:06 pm
      It was pretty clear that De Zerbi set his team out to make the most of every little bit of contact to try and disrupt our rhythm and sadly the spineless Coote bought it.

      You're off your head if you think that match was a 20 to 6 on the foul count against us.
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      Reply #1291: Mar 31, 2024 09:20:17 pm
      It was pretty clear that De Zerbi set his team out to make the most of every little bit of contact to try and disrupt our rhythm and sadly the spineless Coote bought it.

      You're off your head if you think that match was a 20 to 6 on the foul count against us.

      I got the numbers from BBC website. Gives all the details, bookings etc.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68648917
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1292: Mar 31, 2024 09:23:06 pm
      I got the numbers from BBC website. Gives all the details, bookings etc.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68648917

      Nah wasn't disputing your figures mate.

      I meant the game that played out shouldn't have ended up with 20 to 6 foul count. Wasn't the sort of match where one team was kicking the sh*t out of the other but unfortunately it was refereed to an incredibly poor standard hence the ridiculous foul count.
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1293: Mar 31, 2024 09:30:02 pm
      Top 5…only team to have more fouls against than for…..by a long way. 

      Liverpool: 298 for, 360 against= -62

      Arsenal: 296 for, 267 against= +29

      City: 293 for, 231 against= +62

      Villa: 379 for, 327 against= +52

      Spurs: 398 for, 320 against= +78
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      Reply #1294: Mar 31, 2024 09:32:19 pm
      Nah wasn't disputing your figures mate.

      I meant the game that played out shouldn't have ended up with 20 to 6 foul count. Wasn't the sort of match where one team was kicking the sh*t out of the other but unfortunately it was refereed to an incredibly poor standard hence the ridiculous foul count.

      Yeah. just putting it up. Back in the day if there was 8 bookings you knew it was a feisty game. But Coote waved the yellow around 8 times and there was hardly any real hard tackling. The City/Arsenal game was a hotly contested yet Taylor only booked 2 Arsenal players.
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      Reply #1295: Mar 31, 2024 10:47:36 pm
      No - there were a number of balls behind the goal and they had to be moved ( due to the goal line technology)

      Which one is it? Your explanation or Ddeckers?

      edit: It's Ddeckers.

      https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/13103555/premier-league-rule-change-to-prevent-ball-boys-and-girls-handing-match-ball-back-to-players
      « Last Edit: Mar 31, 2024 10:53:52 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1296: Mar 31, 2024 10:53:59 pm
      Yeah. just putting it up. Back in the day if there was 8 bookings you knew it was a feisty game. But Coote waved the yellow around 8 times and there was hardly any real hard tackling. The City/Arsenal game was a hotly contested yet Taylor only booked 2 Arsenal players.
      Poor today the ref. Problem is once he'd booked someone for a nothing tackle he made a rod for his own back and felt obliged to book every other similar tackle. I didn't see any booking as merited, on either side.
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      Reply #1297: Mar 31, 2024 11:17:54 pm
      The Gakpo one near the end was a clear yellow for a ‘take one for the team’ foul, it stopped them breaking on the counter. Other than that I agree. The early Macallister one they justified by saying he ‘put a hand on him’ which he just about did barely, but not in any way that hurt or impeded the player and definitely nowhere near enough to send him sprawling as he did.

       If putting a hand on him was an automatic yellow there’d be 3v 3 by the end of most games. It’s also how most challenges seem to happen now, using the arms and/or upper body first. It’s one of those annoying grey areas where the laws are applied differently depending on the area of the pitch and state of the game. Also, what happened to booking players for ‘simulation?’ It almost never happens. There’d have been no BRighton players left!

      First half, the ref seemed to award a foul to whoever appealed. In doing so he clearly lost the respect and confidence of both teams, as shown by their body language and looks exchanged.

      I’m not normally one to criticise the ref in the middle cos I’ve been there at a much lower level and it’s so hard, but that ref was just lame.
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      Reply #1298: Mar 31, 2024 11:20:17 pm
      From Reddit:

      PL statement from August: "Firstly, for marginal offside decisions, after the one-pixel lines are applied, the VAR puts on the thicker broadcast lines and where they overlap, those situations will now be deemed as onside."

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      Reply #1299: Apr 01, 2024 12:34:40 am
      From Reddit:

      PL statement from August: "Firstly, for marginal offside decisions, after the one-pixel lines are applied, the VAR puts on the thicker broadcast lines and where they overlap, those situations will now be deemed as onside."



      I was always looking at the defender at the bottom of the pic and he is DEFINITELY playing the attacker on side.
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      Reply #1300: Apr 01, 2024 01:04:34 am
      From Reddit:

      PL statement from August: "Firstly, for marginal offside decisions, after the one-pixel lines are applied, the VAR puts on the thicker broadcast lines and where they overlap, those situations will now be deemed as onside."



      The lines are drawn crooked ;D

      They are closer to the box at the top than they are at the bottom. F***ing idiots.
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1301: Apr 01, 2024 01:17:29 am

      That is a new rule but that wasn’t what was happening with Coote today and the balls behind the goal

      The balls have to be on the cones and the ball boys are supposed to ensure they are
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1302: Apr 01, 2024 01:32:16 am
      From Reddit:

      PL statement from August: "Firstly, for marginal offside decisions, after the one-pixel lines are applied, the VAR puts on the thicker broadcast lines and where they overlap, those situations will now be deemed as onside."



      And what this points too is, they keep pushing the margins in favour of the defender when it’s is 🤷‍♂️
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      Reply #1303: Apr 01, 2024 08:28:05 am
      From Reddit:

      PL statement from August: "Firstly, for marginal offside decisions, after the one-pixel lines are applied, the VAR puts on the thicker broadcast lines and where they overlap, those situations will now be deemed as onside."



      With all the technology of today I beg the question!! Why are the lines so thick and blurred like the players? 🤷‍♂️ Doesn’t make sense to me.
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      Reply #1304: Apr 01, 2024 09:00:15 am
      From Reddit:

      PL statement from August: "Firstly, for marginal offside decisions, after the one-pixel lines are applied, the VAR puts on the thicker broadcast lines and where they overlap, those situations will now be deemed as onside."



      Are you then claiming that if Diaz boot does NOT touch the RED line he is onside. Diaz boot is in the "thicker broadcast line" but appears not to be touching the RED line.

      From that picture yes the the VAR lines do not appear to be parralel with the box line.
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      Reply #1305: Apr 01, 2024 09:08:53 am
      Coote was his usual self. Foul count was 20-6. I mean..what more than 3 times as many fouls as them. At one point he gave a corner after they appealed. Seemed to be influenced by their appeal.

      8 bookings....5 for us and 3 for them and they only committed 6 fouls, so he booked them for every other foul. Most bizarre incident when he was most annoyed, he noticed 2 balls sitting behind the goal, and rushed over to move them.

      Pound to a penny he was in charge of the pencils at school..
      Mate ,wouldn’t put that pr**k in charge of looking after a F***ing goldfish.
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      Reply #1306: Apr 01, 2024 09:10:29 am
      This has perplexed me in that why apply two lines. The red line should be enough. If the attacker is touching the red line and no defender is touching the red line then he's offside. And visa versa he's onside. Why introduce a second "broader" more fuzzy line.

      And the statement about "thicker broadcast lines"....does it mean that they are giving the attacker a bit of leeway and if so Diaz is touching the "thicker broadcast line" then he's onside. But looking at that frame it looks difficult to say Diaz's boot has or has not touched the red line.
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      Reply #1307: Apr 01, 2024 09:15:14 am
      Mate ,wouldn’t put that pr**k in charge of looking after a F***ing goldfish.

      I know..he'd chuck it in a bowl of water and drown the poor thing...the swine..
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1308: Apr 01, 2024 09:26:38 am
      Read a stat this morning that Klopp has lost 50% of his games with us when Anthony Taylor has been involved , if true that is an incredible stat ,
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      Reply #1309: Apr 01, 2024 10:43:23 am
      Read a stat this morning that Klopp has lost 50% of his games with us when Anthony Taylor has been involved , if true that is an incredible stat ,

      Lot of misinformation flying about with these Taylor/Tierney stats. Bogus most of them.

      https://www.worldfootball.net/referee_summary/anthony-taylor_2/liverpool-fc/4/
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      Re: Is English officiating corrupt?
      Reply #1310: Apr 01, 2024 11:31:56 am
      With all the technology of today I beg the question!! Why are the lines so thick and blurred like the players? 🤷‍♂️ Doesn’t make sense to me.
      The lines are so thick so as we can see them in a wide shot, if they were thinner, they would be too hard to see, except in a close up, and the problem with a close up is we wouldn't be able to see both players in the frame. The blurriness you're talking about is down to pixel definition, I'm guessing the VAR operator is looking at a much higher definition than what we see (depending on what quality of TV you have). The pictures on here are basically copies of copies (not RAW files)...a bit like looking at photocopies of photocopies, the clarity will always diminish. The gap needed to establish offside is often so tight that even the current high definition cameras can't pick it up in the wide shot (hardly any TV football coverage is in close up). To fix this would mean the broadcasters would have to use high speed ultra high definition cameras, but these are extremely expensive and so on balance it's deemed unnecessary.

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