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      Re: Player Contracts
      Reply #23: Jul 23, 2024 05:34:54 pm
      Management need shafting for letting players run down contracts and it isn’t the first time either

      It's pretty common practice nowadays though is it not?
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      Reply #24: Jul 23, 2024 06:26:48 pm
      Management need shafting for letting players run down contracts and it isn’t the first time either

      So nothing to do with the players and the agents ?
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      Reply #25: Jul 23, 2024 07:17:20 pm
      It's pretty common practice nowadays though is it not?

      Still shouldn’t let it go so far
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      Reply #26: Jul 23, 2024 07:19:43 pm
      Still shouldn’t let it go so far

      What did you expect the club to do if they don’t want to talk contracts ? Sell them ?
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      Reply #27: Aug 14, 2024 05:08:28 am
      What did you expect the club to do if they don’t want to talk contracts ? Sell them ?

      Yep. Is Trent for 12 months worth 100M? Shameful he might leave on a free. Same with Mo. Fantastic players and great servants for the club, but this is a business and everyone has a price.
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      Reply #28: Aug 14, 2024 01:36:16 pm
      Yep. Is Trent for 12 months worth 100M? Shameful he might leave on a free. Same with Mo. Fantastic players and great servants for the club, but this is a business and everyone has a price.
      And Mo is probably the most marketable SA target their is. Maybe even more so then CR7. At 32 and less than 1 year on his contract he would still pay for his replacement and then some. Everything is running down to the wire. These transfers and the contracts, down to the wire.

      We don't mind announcing 10 new sponsors this summer or selling players, but F**k spedning money. I'm not a dude that hit the panic button after something doesn't go the way of the club, but right now the decisions being made at the top are pretty goofy.
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      Reply #29: Aug 14, 2024 03:49:14 pm
      And Mo is probably the most marketable SA target their is. Maybe even more so then CR7. At 32 and less than 1 year on his contract he would still pay for his replacement and then some. Everything is running down to the wire. These transfers and the contracts, down to the wire.

      We don't mind announcing 10 new sponsors this summer or selling players, but F**k spedning money. I'm not a dude that hit the panic button after something doesn't go the way of the club, but right now the decisions being made at the top are pretty goofy.

      I can see if there's hesitation for Mo and Virgil...even though I think you still give them improved contracts so that you can demand a fee if they decide they WANT to go. And you give yourself some time in the event you need to determine whether you want to keep them around long term.

      I'm not sure what the F**k is going on with Trent though....there's no good reason to allow him to start this season without a new contract. A few days left...maybe we will see it announced. 
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      Reply #30: Aug 21, 2024 08:39:36 am
      Mo Salah's Liverpool Contract: What's Going On?

      By Simon Hughes

      It is the big question hanging over Liverpool: why are the contract situations of Mohamed Salah, Virgil van Dijk and Trent Alexander-Arnold still unresolved?

      The trio are free agents next summer and can, in theory, talk to interested foreign clubs from January if no new terms are agreed before then.

      So why are three of Liverpool’s most important footballers in this position? And what are the club’s decision-makers planning to do about it?

      Over the next three days, our experts will assess each player, based on conversations with sources familiar with their situations but who asked to remain anonymous to protect their positions.

      First up, Salah.

      How did we get to this point?
      When Salah signed a three-year contract with Liverpool in 2022, he became the highest-paid player in the club’s history on a basic weekly wage of £350,000 ($450,000 at current rates) with performance-related bonuses on top. When you account for the money Salah commands from endorsements, he takes home close to £1million a week.

      This “conservative” estimate was revealed in a Harvard University study from 2023 in conjunction with the player and his representative, Ramy Abbas.

      At that time, Salah was generating interest from clubs in Saudi Arabia, a country ploughing billions of pounds into football, mainly through its Public Investment Fund (PIF).

      Though one of the PIF-controlled clubs, Al Ittihad, managed to sign Liverpool midfielder Fabinho for ÂŁ40million last summer, it failed with a ÂŁ100m bid, rising to ÂŁ150m, to take Salah shortly before the same transfer window closed.

      Salah was happy to remain on Merseyside, where he has scored 56 goals in 96 games since agreeing his latest contract. He now knows what sort of signing-on fee might come his way if he decides to run down his Liverpool deal and move to Saudi.

      Though Liverpool’s new sporting director Richard Hughes has introduced himself to Abbas, there have been no discussions about a renewal.

      There has been widespread surprise among fans, and throughout the industry, at Liverpool leaving it this late to talk to Salah — as well as Van Dijk and Alexander-Arnold — although the upheaval of last season, when Klopp departed and a new head coach and sporting director arrived, will not have helped.

      What are Salah’s considerations?
      Since becoming Premier League champions in 2020, Liverpool have won three cup finals, each against Chelsea, yet due to injuries, Salah has played a meaningful role in just one of them.

      In the same timeframe, Liverpool have narrowly missed out on reclaiming a domestic championship, as well as the Champions League. Despite a promising start to last season, another title challenge fizzled out.

      Salah reflects on this period with some regret, so he is more determined than ever to succeed rather than focus on what comes next. He also knows that a strong season for Liverpool will increase the demand for him.

      As much as Liverpool will be assessing Salah’s role in the team under Arne Slot, Salah is intrigued to see how things play out in the post-Jürgen Klopp period, and he is not in a rush to commit himself.

      Mohamed Salah and Arne Slot get to know each other at Liverpool’s training ground (Nikki Dyer – LFC/Liverpool FC via Getty Images)
      He remains open-minded about the future and is more relaxed than in the summer of 2022 when it seemed he and Liverpool would not find a compromise.

      That process went on for nearly a year and Abbas described it as the most difficult negotiation of his life. On this occasion, both parties have less time before Salah’s contract runs out.

      If it comes down to money, Liverpool are unlikely to be able to compete with a Saudi club. It is widely assumed that one of the Saudi Pro League’s PIF teams will make Salah an offer. Al Ittihad’s interest has not gone away, but getting Salah will cost them.

      It did not go unnoticed that the three-year deal put in front of Karim Benzema last summer was among the highest in football history, worth a reported ÂŁ172million a year. The annual figure is roughly the equivalent of what Salah will have earned over the entirety of his current Liverpool contract when you include partnership agreements separate from the club.

      Salah’s popularity in the Middle East would make him one of the Saudi Pro League’s trophy signings. Like Benzema, he can expect to cash in.

      And what about the club?
      In 2022, sporting director Julian Ward was on the Greek island of Mykonos, where Salah was on holiday, to complete the formalities of the player’s contract. However, most of the significant talks involved the president of owner Fenway Sports Group (FSG), Mike Gordon, who was in charge of the financial details.

      With Hughes now in Ward’s position, and with Gordon stepping aside from day-to-day duties at Liverpool, it will be interesting to see whether Michael Edwards, recently re-hired as FSG’s ‘chief executive of football’, emerges as the decision-maker over money considering how protective of the responsibility Gordon has been over the years.

      Agents who have worked with Gordon in the past recall how involved he was and wonder whether he will let the responsibility go.

      Yet a combination of figures at Liverpool will decide whether Salah is offered a new contract.

      Salah’s age has to be a factor in FSG’s thinking. Liverpool’s owner prioritises financial sustainability, to the irritation of many fans, and has historically been reluctant to give long contract extensions to players in their thirties. Liverpool normally offer shorter, incentivised deals.

      There is also the issue of precedent and the consequences if Salah is offered huge terms at this stage of his career. The outlay would also have an impact on who could be signed as a long-term successor.

      Liverpool and Abbas needed to be flexible in 2022 to ensure an agreement was reached. On that occasion, they did not have to consider interest from Saudi clubs, whose deep pockets would weaken Liverpool’s hand this time.

      Salah will turn 33 a few weeks before the expiry of this deal next June. Though Abbas told Harvard he thinks his client can play at the highest level until he is 40, Liverpool’s data team will analyse whether he is slowing up. His display at Ipswich on Saturday prompted Slot to say he believes “there are many more years inside of him to play”.

      How crucial is it for Liverpool to keep Salah?
      If Liverpool decide that a new contract for Salah does not make economic sense, it will be a harder argument with the club’s supporters.

      If he does leave, reactions will differ depending on the destination. Many fans will accept the challenges of competing financially with a team in Saudi Arabia but there would be less understanding if he stayed in Europe, especially if he ended up joining another Premier League club off the back of a productive season.


      Salah will not want to jeopardise his legacy at Liverpool by moving to one of the club’s historical or competitive rivals, ruling out Manchester United and Manchester City. It might be different if an offer came from London, however, a city he enjoys visiting.

      From Liverpool’s perspective, replacing Salah’s yield would not be easy. Even last season, which was a bad one by Salah’s standards, he scored at least 25 goals for the fourth campaign in a row. Some of the most significant data fell in line with each of his previous years at the club. His finishing let him down, which meant he underperformed his expected goals (xG) total for the first time in his Liverpool career.

      Usually, a sign of any decline is when a player does not put himself in an area to try to shoot. Tactics have a role in this assessment. Under Klopp, Salah was often found in a much wider position during the 2023-24 season compared to his first in 2017-18 when he scored 44 times.

      Despite this, Salah finished behind only Erling Haaland for xG involvements. Having suffered a tear to his hamstring on international duty with Egypt, a fitter, more confident Salah this season may be more potent than ever.

      As Liverpool have found out with Sadio Mane and Roberto Firmino, allowing great players to leave is easier than finding them again.

      What outcome is most likely?
      A Saudi Arabian club, as Al Ittihad has shown more interest more recently than any other party.

      For Salah, however, there is much to think about. He loves England, where he can live quietly with his family without the kind of scrutiny that exists in Egypt. Would he be giving that up if he went to Saudi Arabia, a ferry ride across the Red Sea from his home country?

      Saudi Pro League clubs have not been as aggressive in their recruitment strategy this summer, so Salah’s arrival next year would ramp up the conversation about the division’s power and influence again — increasing the focus on him.


      If it leaves him with half a billion pounds in the bank, the risk of losing some of his privacy might be considered worth it.

      There is also the geopolitical context. Salah has fought ferociously since becoming a global brand to remain independent of any religion, nation, or government. He wants to be judged as a footballer, rather than where he is from or his faith — though these factors influence who he is.

      Given how crucial football is to Saudi Arabia’s ‘Vision 2030 strategy’, moving there would jeopardise his sense of ‘otherness’ and become an extension of the state’s machinery.

      While it is thought in Europe that the most famous Arabic footballer on the planet would jump at the chance of returning ‘home’, Saudi Arabia isn’t Salah’s home. It is a regional rival, a country many Egyptians believe is attempting to supplant it as the cultural centre of the Islamic world. Moving there would not necessarily make him more popular.

      Salah may also have reservations about the standard of football in the Saudi Pro League, especially if he continues to perform well. The infrastructure in Saudi Arabia is still catching up and Benzema has been frustrated.

      Salah may just as likely find an offer appealing from the United States. Currently, much of his branding is West-facing. Lionel Messi is there and the 2026 World Cup, co-hosted by the U.S., is coming, and Egypt are confident of qualifying.

      While he would not earn the kind of money on offer in Saudi Arabia, a move to Major League Soccer would allow him to play in a division further along in its development, while experiencing a lifestyle relatively similar to England.

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      Reply #31: Aug 21, 2024 06:17:55 pm
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      Though Liverpool’s new sporting director Richard Hughes has introduced himself to Abbas, there have been no discussions about a renewal.

      Baffling to me. Even if you want to sell him, you offer him a new deal so he doesn't leave on a free. Hard to understand why we wouldn't even have had a discussion with his agent.
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      Reply #32: Aug 21, 2024 06:49:33 pm
      Baffling to me. Even if you want to sell him, you offer him a new deal so he doesn't leave on a free. Hard to understand why we wouldn't even have had a discussion with his agent.

      Could it be incompetence?
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      Reply #35: Aug 22, 2024 08:23:12 pm

      I am surprised to see others aren’t going after him especially at that price and Juve have been very clear about him leaving



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      Re: Player Contracts
      Reply #36: Aug 25, 2024 07:42:10 pm
      What's everyone thinking0, 1,2 or 3 signatures ?
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      Reply #37: Aug 25, 2024 07:54:38 pm
      What's everyone thinking0, 1,2 or 3 signatures ?

      2 x 2 year extensions.

      For Mo & Virg.

      There's no way we can let all 3 go and look to replace all 3 in 1 summer, it'd be too much workload at once....especially being one of the most inactive clubs around Europe in the window.
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      Reply #38: Aug 25, 2024 09:35:55 pm
      I actually think vvd can be like Thiago silva

      The guy is quick as 75 percent of other cbs in the league imo he has lost a bit of pace but is now like the rest

      2 year contract

      With mo- I think a 2 year contract would do as well as he seems really sharp still

      Trent- contract for 6 years pls
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      Reply #39: Aug 25, 2024 10:24:16 pm
      What's everyone thinking0, 1,2 or 3 signatures ?

      2 year extensions (so 3 years from now) would be fine for Mo n Virg. Trent- any extension at all really.
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      Reply #40: Aug 25, 2024 10:26:09 pm
      Why is Trent not signed?
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      Reply #41: Aug 26, 2024 10:09:02 am
      All three players have been excellent in both wins. Honestly, it looks like they have fu**ed this up and all three could be walking in 10 mo this time. If we don’t hear anything in the next 3-4 weeks I suspect all three will simply play out their year with the freedom to choose their futures at the end of the season.
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      Reply #43: Aug 29, 2024 09:34:43 am
      All three players have been excellent in both wins. Honestly, it looks like they have fu**ed this up and all three could be walking in 10 mo this time. If we don’t hear anything in the next 3-4 weeks I suspect all three will simply play out their year with the freedom to choose their futures at the end of the season.

      It also brings uncertainty into the dressing room which isn't good
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      Reply #44: Aug 29, 2024 11:35:04 am
      At this stage I would be over the moon if we could have 2 of the 3 playing next season.    I think there is more chance it will be VVD and Trent.    Come January there will be some insane offers for Mo.   FFS 150m for a 31 year old must be a world record fee.  This one is going to be hard. 

      I think if we can win a Major trophy our chances with VVD and Trent rockets.   As long as they drag their heels after January.
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      Reply #45: Aug 29, 2024 01:09:04 pm
      At this stage I would be over the moon if we could have 2 of the 3 playing next season.    I think there is more chance it will be VVD and Trent.    Come January there will be some insane offers for Mo.   FFS 150m for a 31 year old must be a world record fee.  This one is going to be hard. 

      I think if we can win a Major trophy our chances with VVD and Trent rockets.   As long as they drag their heels after January.

      Honestly, I think there is a real possibilitiy all three will be off.

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