Premier League Votes on Scrapping VAR: Saving Football from Ruin?

That's a shame. A bigger shame that we were ones to keep it.

Ah well, here's to 5 more years of everyone bar City and Arsenal being absolutely screwed over. Maybe after that time we'll have another vote.

Never going to be removed which pretty much sums up how clubs have voted just improve on the humans who use it

Nice of them to have given so much consideration to what fans want

They know if it went to a fan vote it would be booted out. Since when do they care about what us fans think?

I'm suspecting some envelopes were passed around to clubs tbh.

19-1 Win. Walkover.

I said this before VAR was available in our league, but I'll say it again. The only people who should vote on this are qualified match officials, and nobody else. They're the ones responsible for implementing the laws of the game, be they right or rubbish. Not fans, not managers, not players, not management. Match officials only.

I'm proud to see that we as a club, stood up for justice done on a football pitch, and helped to throw out the case. The rebels who proposed that many more Diaz offside errors given by linesmen on the pitch should stand, couldn't convince Forest or even any of the promoted clubs to support them. Maybe they can try their next PR stunt when they can drag one other club mad enough to believe their propaganda, let alone the 13 others they require.

The realisation that VAR helped to correct 100 wrong decisions on the pitch last season, is not merely "a small increase in correct decisions", but is a sobering reminder why it is absolutely essential at this level of the game. The rebels who only proposed the sickening despair and devastation of more horrific injustices wrecking seasons, all in the name of "entertainment", need to remember that, before their next stunt gets thrashed in such embarrassing fashion the next time.

19-1 Win. Walkover.

I said this before VAR was available in our league, but I'll say it again. The only people who should vote on this are qualified match officials, and nobody else. They're the ones responsible for implementing the laws of the game, be they right or rubbish. Not fans, not managers, not players, not management. Match officials only.

I'm proud to see that we as a club, stood up for justice done on a football pitch, and helped to throw out the case. The rebels who proposed that many more Diaz offside errors given by linesmen on the pitch should stand, couldn't convince Forest or even any of the promoted clubs to support them. Maybe they can try their next PR stunt when they can drag one other club stupid enough to believe their propaganda, let alone the 13 others they require.

The realisation that VAR helped to correct 100 wrong decisions on the pitch last season, is not merely "a small increase in correct decisions", but is a sobering reminder why it is absolutely essential at this level of the game. The rebels who only proposed the sickening despair and devastation of more horrific injustices wrecking seasons, all in the name of "entertainment", need to remember that, before their next stunt gets thrashed in such embarrassing fashion the next time.

If only qualified match officials should vote why are you pleased that our non-qualified match official board members and many others across the League voted?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?

19-1 Win. Walkover.

I said this before VAR was available in our league, but I'll say it again. The only people who should vote on this are qualified match officials, and nobody else. They're the ones responsible for implementing the laws of the game, be they right or rubbish. Not fans, not managers, not players, not management. Match officials only.

I'm proud to see that we as a club, stood up for justice done on a football pitch, and helped to throw out the case. The rebels who proposed that many more Diaz offside errors given by linesmen on the pitch should stand, couldn't convince Forest or even any of the promoted clubs to support them. Maybe they can try their next PR stunt when they can drag one other club stupid enough to believe their propaganda, let alone the 13 others they require.

The realisation that VAR helped to correct 100 wrong decisions on the pitch last season, is not merely "a small increase in correct decisions", but is a sobering reminder why it is absolutely essential at this level of the game. The rebels who only proposed the sickening despair and devastation of more horrific injustices wrecking seasons, all in the name of "entertainment", need to remember that, before their next stunt gets thrashed in such embarrassing fashion the next time.

On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
Did you have an orgasm about ffs. We get it you love it, some of us don't its all about opinions. Someone once told me opinions are like arseholes, everyone has got one.

19-1 Win. Walkover.

I said this before VAR was available in our league, but I'll say it again. The only people who should vote on this are qualified match officials, and nobody else. 

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"Qualified"

Good one that. What night's are your one man comedy show?

If only qualified match officials should vote why are you pleased that our non-qualified match official board members and many others across the League voted?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?

No. Match officials were not given the right to vote. The ones who have to use it, take the blame when they occasionally get it wrong, and get no credit at all when they get it right. If there ever is a vote, it should be them and them only. Those who could vote, did what had to be done, but implementing the lotg is not their responsibility, so they shouldn't be voting on it.

The rebels who tried to persuade everyone else that more Diaz offside calls are Spurs are the best way forward, wanted that to be a weekly howler.  Their fans went to a non VAR game this season, and a full scale riot erupted after they scored, which delayed the restart a lot longer than 5 minutes. That's their vision of what the fan experience at a game should be. No, not for me, sorry.

On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
Did you have an orgasm about ffs. We get it you love it, some of us don't its all about opinions. Someone once told me opinions are like arseholes, everyone has got one.

Does that make him twice a arseole then. 

No. Match officials were not given the right to vote. The ones who have to use it, take the blame when they occasionally get it wrong, and get no credit at all when they get it right. If there ever is a vote, it should be them and them only. Those who could vote, did what had to be done, but implementing the lotg is not their responsibility, so they shouldn't be voting on it.

But there was a vote and it wasn't left to match day officials.

Yet you're pleased even though you think only match day officials should be the ones voting.

No. Match officials were not given the right to vote. The ones who have to use it, take the blame when they occasionally get it wrong, and get no credit at all when they get it right. If there ever is a vote, it should be them and them only. Those who could vote, did what had to be done, but implementing the lotg is not their responsibility, so they shouldn't be voting on it.

The rebels who tried to persuade everyone else that more Diaz offside calls are Spurs are the best way forward, wanted that to be a weekly howler.  Their fans went to a non VAR game this season, and a full scale riot erupted after they scored, which delayed the restart a lot longer than 5 minutes. That's their vision of what the fan experience at a game should be. No, not for me, sorry.

Well you want the match officials to have a say but not the captains. I'm not in any way against keeping VAR. Obviously it has corrected errors but it still leaves blatant errors by the match officials and the VAR team in the clear to carry on. Giving the captains appeals takes away any sense of unfairness.

Your point in an earlier answer, that once the captains have used up their appeals, it still leaves the possibility of a late 'error' that can't be corrected. To follow your logic on that point is to say it's better to have 3 blatant errors than just the possibility of one.

I wasn't at all surprised by the margin. But their time would've better spent looking at ways to improve the system and giving the captains some sort of appeal could've been debated. Impossible to find a perfect system but why the clubs are excluded from appeal is a nonsense.

Putting the Refs in charge of the yea and nay on the whole system isn't the way forward. The VAR system offers extra employment and money for those very officials. Hardly likely to vote against it.

In cricket a batsman goes for the hook and misses it. Appeal...Umpire..Not out....but the keeper knows it nicked the glove and tells the skipper..he appeals....and it shows up on the appeal that the batter did get a glove on it...out....Right decision. Happens all the time with all kinds of appeals.

But in football the players have no right of appeal. So who's in the right...Football or Cricket..

No. Match officials were not given the right to vote. The ones who have to use it, take the blame when they occasionally get it wrong, and get no credit at all when they get it right. If there ever is a vote, it should be them and them only. Those who could vote, did what had to be done, but implementing the lotg is not their responsibility, so they shouldn't be voting on it.

The rebels who tried to persuade everyone else that more Diaz offside calls are Spurs are the best way forward, wanted that to be a weekly howler.  Their fans went to a non VAR game this season, and a full scale riot erupted after they scored, which delayed the restart a lot longer than 5 minutes. That's their vision of what the fan experience at a game should be. No, not for me, sorry.

Why should they get credit for doing their paid job correctly? Surely it's what they should be doing consistently week in week out.

In cricket a batsman goes for the hook and misses it. Appeal...Umpire..Not out....but the keeper knows it nicked the glove and tells the skipper..he appeals....and it shows up on the appeal that the batter did get a glove on it...out....Right decision. Happens all the time with all kinds of appeals.

But in football the players have no right of appeal. So who's in the right...Football or Cricket..

But equally you have seen a thousand examples were a captain asks for a review and the evidence goes against him...Right decision, wrong review. Then after all reviews are exhausted there is a genuine knick, but there are no more reviews available. The mechanics of cricket make it a lot easier for technology to be used....Microphones in the stumps...The batsman always within a relatively small area, which means a static high definition camera can be used to track the ball. Football has a million more variables of both scale and pace....Plus footballers are sneaky bas*ards, knowing the opponent has say 3 challenges they would be faking all kinds of incidents to get the allocation used up.

But equally you have seen a thousand examples were a captain asks for a review and the evidence goes against him...Right decision, wrong review. Then after all reviews are exhausted there is a genuine knick, but there are no more reviews available. The mechanics of cricket make it a lot easier for technology to be used....Microphones in the stumps...The batsman always within a relatively small area, which means a static high definition camera can be used to track the ball. Football has a million more variables of both scale and pace....Plus footballers are sneaky bas*ards, knowing the opponent has say 3 challenges they would be faking all kinds of incidents to get the allocation used up.

Well yes I acknowledge that and obviously giving the Captain a choice doesn't make decisions any easier. The issue for me is the inconsistency. The clear & obvious error rule. Almost every team has seen blatant errors waved away. We had 4/5 last season and we, like all the other, were powerless to do anything about it.

Giving the captain the right of appeal should not undermine the officials, but it would redress the balance. And it should stop a lot of the allegations of corruption. Difficult to make a 'fake' penalty challenge  or a 'fake' red card tackle. But if the ref judges that it is clearly a frivolous appeal then he/she has the power to overrule the appeal.

The Doku challenge, the Odegaard hand ball and the Diaz offside, all could've been overturned on VVD's appeal. Well maybe not the offside as appeals should only be for pens and red cards.The Diaz offside was just blatant incompetence.

Underlying problem is poor officiating standards and in correct use of the technology by the inept
Officials. It will not be better next season and players and fans will be robbed once again of spontaneous euphoric celebrations

Underlying problem is poor officiating standards and in correct use of the technology by the inept
Officials. It will not be better next season and players and fans will be robbed once again of spontaneous euphoric celebrations

Think your're right. More controversy. Blatant 'errors' not corrected. Yes VAR is an improvement on the Ref giving an instant verdict without any checks. But every time the ball hit the net it's an on/off celebration. Plus they can't really speed it up can they.

We have a new manager but how long will it take him to realise the whole world is against us.

They have been saying refs going to be mic-ed up

They have been saying refs going to be mic-ed up

Right..that's all we need. " check VVD....I'm sure he's got a size 12 boot on and he's only a 9...disallowed...illegal boot.."

The league has announced six areas in which it hopes to improve VAR performance after a season when the average delay in decision making increased by more than 50%.

The biggest initiative will be the adoption of semi-automated offside technology after the autumn international break. It will use dedicated in-stadium cameras to calculate the position of a receiving player when a pass is played and end the need to draw lines to determine offsides. It has been predicted to reduce the average time taken to calculate an offside decision by more than half a minute.


Other changes largely relate to communication. From next season, referees will be able to announce the reason for a VAR overturn, providing a small improvement in the stadium experience for fans. The league says it also hopes to provide “an enhanced offering of big-screen replays to include all VAR interventions”.


There will also be increased communication through the media, including the established Match Officials Mic’d Up broadcast when the head of PGMOL, Howard Webb, talks through the most controversial decisions. A public communication plan is also promised to “further clarify VAR’s role in the game to participants and supporters”. Plans to improve training in VAR for match officials will also continue.

The league’s six proposals have been anticipated and there will be expectation that they deliver an upturn in the performance of a ­system that is increasingly ­frustrating clubs and spectators.

Well yes I acknowledge that and obviously giving the Captain a choice doesn't make decisions any easier. The issue for me is the inconsistency. The clear & obvious error rule. Almost every team has seen blatant errors waved away. We had 4/5 last season and we, like all the other, were powerless to do anything about it.

Giving the captain the right of appeal should not undermine the officials, but it would redress the balance. And it should stop a lot of the allegations of corruption. Difficult to make a 'fake' penalty challenge  or a 'fake' red card tackle. But if the ref judges that it is clearly a frivolous appeal then he/she has the power to overrule the appeal.

The Doku challenge, the Odegaard hand ball and the Diaz offside, all could've been overturned on VVD's appeal. Well maybe not the offside as appeals should only be for pens and red cards.The Diaz offside was just blatant incompetence.

Seeing as we are keeping VAR there's no obvious reason to not trail your idea of Captains (3) challenges and see how it plays out. In the long run I can't imagine it would make a lot of difference....The three examples you give would have been checked. As for the difficulty of faking a penalty....well how many times have you seen Harry Kane throw his foot into a defender or keeper?