Liverpool 0-1 Nottingham Forest: In game and Post Match discussion

Anyone highlighting "The International break" as somehow (even mildly) responsible for how we played is delusional.

I did mate 

If that was not one of the reason, then what? Do our players scared of Forest away kits ?  haha

The irony is Forest had as many players away on international duty as us, so for that reason it makes little to no sense to use it as an excuse. Plus they had their best 2 midfielders out (Danilo and Sangare)

Plus we had the option to change the line up......& didn't.

The loss is 100% on Arne and the players.

Anyone highlighting "The International break" as somehow (even mildly) responsible for how we played is delusional.

Simply rose tints. 

Simply rose tints. 

Can you explain how being (not far) away on International duty has any significant impact on performance. Arsenal, Utd, Villa, Chelsea etc. All had players away playing for their countries and they didn't seem overly fatigued to me.

I did mate 

If that was not one of the reason, then what? Do our players scared of Forest away kits ?  haha

The main reason was application....basically the team thought the game was won before they went on the pitch...we've seen it all too often in the past.
Another noteworthy reason was how well Forest played....and finally, and it is a factor in nearly all games ...Luck.

Can you explain how being (not far) away on International duty has any significant impact on performance. Arsenal, Utd, Villa, Chelsea etc. All had players away playing for their countries and they didn't seem overly fatigued to me.

You may have cross wires, I’m in agreement with you. Fans constantly use it as an excuse but it’s the same for all the top clubs.

Forest are a decent team never going to be a walkover. Let's give Arne a few more games before righting him off.

Forest are a decent team never going to be a walkover. Let's give Arne a few more games before righting him off.

A few more games??? So you're saying potentially we could write him off as early as next Wednesday night? 

Internationals...well there should be a hard and fast rule. You don't report for duty, claiming your injured then you are OUT for 7 days AFTER the International date.

In short..dodge the International then you can't play for your club for 7 days.

Some clubs, are using injury as an excuse to skip International duty. Yes it's difficult to say but this rule would stop it.

Internationals...well there should be a hard and fast rule. You don't report for duty, claiming your injured then you are OUT for 7 days AFTER the International date.

In short..dodge the International then you can't play for your club for 7 days.

Some clubs, are using injury as an excuse to skip International duty. Yes it's difficult to say but this rule would stop it.

I thought there was things in place to stop it

You may have cross wires, I’m in agreement with you. Fans constantly use it as an excuse but it’s the same for all the top clubs.

Sorry...I got the wrong end of the stick

I thought there was things in place to stop it

Well yes but my idea would probably be impossible to justify. Or could be any injury has to reported 48 hours before International date.After that..7 days. But can't tarnish them all as dodgers so probably unworkable.

There are no blags for losing to Forest at home, whether it's internationals, tepid crowd, new manager etc. It's all bullshit. When you think of standards, cast your mind back to how our youngsters performed against Chelsea in the Carling cup final. If we'd shown a fraction of the level of application/dedication on Saturday we would've won.

Forest are a decent team never going to be a walkover. Let's give Arne a few more games before righting him off.

Well he will be written off by many if we do badly in Milan and against B'mouth and West Ham. This is a pressure job. Coal face etc. I'll give him time and so will most but it won't be universal.

Well yes but my idea would probably be impossible to justify. Or could be any injury has to reported 48 hours before International date.After that..7 days. But can't tarnish them all as dodgers so probably unworkable.

They need to justify the injuries either by being assessed by the international doc

But I didn’t tbink anyone who missed the England games was then back in the starting line up on Saturday

didn't see the match, so a question: when Jones replaced Konaté, what formation did we use?  Thanks.

Of course it didn't help, but nor did it hinder...it's a lazy tiresome excuse.

It's not lazy, the manager (a new manager still meshing with his team) misses out on basically two weeks of having his players together to train, learn and practice tactics. It most certainly creates the possibility for a negative effect. Obviously some teams didn't seem to be affected by it and that doesn't mean it didn't create any issues for our team. Maybe it didn't, but it can't be summarily dismissed as a possibility.

It's not lazy, the manager (a new manager still meshing with his team) misses out on basically two weeks of having his players together to train, learn and practice tactics. It most certainly creates the possibility for a negative effect. Obviously some teams didn't seem to be affected by it and that doesn't mean it didn't create any issues for our team. Maybe it didn't, but it can't be summarily dismissed as a possibility.

I have already dismissed it....In my opinion it's nonsense. You watched the game, we were collectively garbage...it's happened before and it will happen again....that's the nature of sport.

didn't see the match, so a question: when Jones replaced Konaté, what formation did we use?  Thanks.

Hard to say, as all the players were running around like headless chickens from start to finish.

It's not lazy, the manager (a new manager still meshing with his team) misses out on basically two weeks of having his players together to train, learn and practice tactics. It most certainly creates the possibility for a negative effect. Obviously some teams didn't seem to be affected by it and that doesn't mean it didn't create any issues for our team. Maybe it didn't, but it can't be summarily dismissed as a possibility.

Probably did affect the prep. Slot said made no difference and was the same for all clubs.City had 16 players I think on international duty but obviously they are all in tune with Pep.

Only our second home game under Slot and against a very well drilled mob under NES. It's certainly a point worth making. Saying it made no difference imply's that the players already know how to play in Slot's system. I'm 50/50 on this one.

Internationals do upset the prep, did it make any difference to our performance. Supposed to be vastly experienced professionals so we should've dealt with it better.

Probably did affect the prep. Slot said made no difference and was the same for all clubs.City had 16 players I think on international duty but obviously they are all in tune with Pep.

Only our second home game under Slot and against a very well drilled mob under NES. It's certainly a point worth making. Saying it made no difference imply's that the players already know how to play in Slot's system. I'm 50/50 on this one.

Internationals do upset the prep, did it make any difference to our performance. Supposed to be vastly experienced professionals so we should've dealt with it better.

It's an automatic human response to search for a reason when something unexpected happens...or something that's expected doesn't happen...there's a term: Black swan events...I've just finished reading Nicholas Nassim Taleb's book "The Black Swan, The impact of the highly improbable" believe me you're fooling yourself, you've convinced yourself you've found something....but it's an illusion...a mental comfort blanket...nothing more than that.

BTW; It doesn't imply the players know, or don't know Slot's system.....Did they know the system at Old Trafford....then just forget it?
C'mon H' you're better than this nonsense.

The international break had an affect for a couple of reasons

1. Players traveling all over the globe will always have some level of affect

2. Disrupting training - due to the euros and Copa a lot of the players had very limited pre season training

didn't see the match, so a question: when Jones replaced Konaté, what formation did we use?  Thanks.

There didn't look to be one. It was like a back 3 of Kostas Virgil and Bradley with Grav Jones and Trent in midfield, then a front 4 almost who were doing their own individual thing. Complete kamikaze, no plan at all other than to throw as many attacking, in this case "attacking", players onto the pitch.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.