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      Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #851: Jan 06, 2025 01:49:25 pm
      I mean pretty much. If we’d have had 4 defenders instead of one (Virgil) you wouldn’t have sniffed a goal.

      Intresting! You’re the first fan that I’ve read that said we were sh*te yesterday 🤔🤔🤔
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      Reply #852: Jan 06, 2025 01:58:00 pm
      Intresting! You’re the first fan that I’ve read that said we were sh*te yesterday 🤔🤔🤔
      Well you weren’t great , the players worked hard and battled hard but there is still a distinct lack of quality within the squad
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      Reply #853: Jan 06, 2025 02:03:26 pm
      Well you weren’t great , the players worked hard and battled hard but there is still a distinct lack of quality within the squad

      To take one out of your book! 😂  Where did I say there wasn’t a lack of quality? You know I know were sh*te and don’t hide behind it ( like many )

      We certainly wasn’t sh*te was we?
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      Reply #854: Jan 06, 2025 02:07:41 pm
      To take one out of your book! 😂  Where did I say there wasn’t a lack of quality? You know I know were sh*te and don’t hide behind it ( like many )

      We certainly wasn’t sh*te was we?
      You are always sh*te 👍

      Happy to help
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      Reply #855: Jan 06, 2025 02:09:27 pm
      You are always sh*te 👍

      Happy to help

       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: You’re a stubborn fcuker but I know that anyway. 😂 You just can’t admit it coz it ruins your pride. 😂
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #856: Jan 06, 2025 02:11:29 pm
      :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: You’re a stubborn fcuker but I know that anyway. 😂 You just can’t admit it coz it ruins your pride. 😂

      No pride being ruined in admitting that Man Utd are sh*te 😁
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      Reply #857: Jan 06, 2025 02:14:04 pm
      No pride being ruined in admitting that Man Utd are sh*te 😁

      My case rest your honour 😉
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      Reply #858: Jan 06, 2025 02:50:11 pm
      Yeah his walking around for goal number 1 especially was the thing for me. Maybe this is the defining moment as he wasn't doing it the entire game as much as people will have you believe he did. But it was a terrible look and needs to be called out on that specific moment absolutely.

      Sprinting backwards, again it's never been a defining attribute for him - because he doesn't have that sprint speed. It's not lack of effort, it's lack of ability. Robbo got caught out of position loads during his prime but had that speed to get back and was able to save himself somewhat. Kyle Walker made a career from it. Mainoo for Man Utd got caught out at least twice every game last season and again this season has shown signs of it where there is a counter attack against them and he is basically jogging backwards leaving massive empty gaps in midfield. Which they have conceded a few goals from too. People have never once questioned his lack of effort, it's just that he is slow! But because Trent doesn't have massive afterburners, it's taken as lack of effort.

      But that's going backwards. When the ball is in front of him, he needs to be pressing and harrying more. Absolutely. There is no hiding from that.

      I think that big glare VVD gave him at the end was because his passing was poor and giving it away cheaply, not from lack of trying. he made 8 interceptions yesterday. Was that the highest in the match? You don't do that with lack of effort and 'not wanting to defend'. The tackle on Dalot in the first minute doesn't come from lack of effort or not wanting to defend.
      "....People have never once questioned his lack of effort," ...never once?...I think you have that wrong.
      I've hammered the player for almost 24 hours....I think I've made any points I wanted to make, I'm done.....Onwards
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #859: Jan 06, 2025 03:07:26 pm
      United played well, but what pissed Amorim off was the fact that his players played to his instructions. Quick 5-4 block but in previous games they didn't and only half heartedly took on board his tactics. And there's no guarantee they'll play as instructed in future.

      Surly bunch that they are. Amorim was more narked than Slot.
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      Reply #860: Jan 06, 2025 03:29:48 pm
      United played well, but what pissed Amorim off was the fact that his players played to his instructions. Quick 5-4 block but in previous games they didn't and only half heartedly took on board his tactics. And there's no guarantee they'll play as instructed in future.

      Surly bunch that they are. Amorim was more narked than Slot.

      Amorims probably just pissed because he doesn't get to play against Trent every week.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #861: Jan 06, 2025 03:43:28 pm
      All water under the bridge now of course but if any of those early (first 10 minutes) chances had been taken, I think Utd would have collapsed. An early goal almost always dictates how a game plays out, Gakpo should have scored...any half decent premier league striker gets that on target....same for Diaz...he's got to be hitting the target from there. There is almost a sense of missing early on doesn't matter because we'll always get another chance....to a point that's true but the game gets much harder the longer you don't score. An early goal relieves pressure on the team that scores, and piles it on to the team that goes behind.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #862: Jan 06, 2025 03:55:18 pm
      "....People have never once questioned his lack of effort," ...never once?...I think you have that wrong.
      I've hammered the player for almost 24 hours....I think I've made any points I wanted to make, I'm done.....Onwards



      I think you misread my post - that was in relation to Kobbie Mainoo struggling to get back defensively.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #863: Jan 06, 2025 03:56:06 pm
      All water under the bridge now of course but if any of those early (first 10 minutes) chances had been taken, I think Utd would have collapsed. An early goal almost always dictates how a game plays out, Gakpo should have scored...any half decent premier league striker gets that on target....same for Diaz...he's got to be hitting the target from there. There is almost a sense of missing early on doesn't matter because we'll always get another chance....to a point that's true but the game gets much harder the longer you don't score. An early goal relieves pressure on the team that scores, and piles it on to the team that goes behind.


      We’re not usually early goal scores, we’re getting to be early concedes, the midfield was poor ( Jones mostly ) and  the defence was a car crash ( Arnold completely) we didn’t take our chances. United targeted our right side   (Arnold ) said on sky Onana normally plays 30% long ball yesterday Onana played 80% long balls and it doesn’t take a genius to work out who they were targeting yesterday. His defending was criminal yesterday
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #864: Jan 06, 2025 04:37:22 pm
      United played well, but what pissed Amorim off was the fact that his players played to his instructions. Quick 5-4 block but in previous games they didn't and only half heartedly took on board his tactics. And there's no guarantee they'll play as instructed in future.

      Surly bunch that they are. Amorim was more narked than Slot.

      Don’t tell FL red and Pj we played well.  :lmao:
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      Reply #865: Jan 06, 2025 04:42:25 pm
      United played well, but what pissed Amorim off was the fact that his players played to his instructions. Quick 5-4 block but in previous games they didn't and only half heartedly took on board his tactics. And there's no guarantee they'll play as instructed in future.

      Surly bunch that they are. Amorim was more narked than Slot.

      Don't think he can garner too much from the game yesterday as first and foremost we did not show up, personnel being the prime reason. I think he's a good coach though, the best they have hired since Fergie (Mourinho and Van Gaal both being past their sell by date), and given time will get it right.

      The issue was us. Zero tackles in the first half. You cannot carry two passive, passengers in a team, Trent and Jones, and expect to get away with it, no matter how poor United are. They at best are a 7th placed side, and had we had 11 players showing up and not 9, barring anything weird happening it becomes a routine win.

      Trent made zero tackles, so offered no resistance, and gave the ball away in key moments that led to conceding. His performance was a net negative. Jones, while a good player, can also be too passive. He obviously didn't make any tackles in the first and don't know if he made any in the second before he was hooked, if he didn't that means the two scousers against United, our main rivals, put up no resistance. If was an "after you sir" display by the pair of them. Don't recall Jones doing much with the ball either so there wasn't anything to counter his non existant defensive display.

      So bearing in mind we played with 9 players in terms of resistance, you wouldn't go praising an opposition team who nicked a point against that. We made it too easy, or at least those two did.

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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #866: Jan 06, 2025 04:44:20 pm
      Don’t tell FL red and Pj we played well.  :lmao:

      If you read back what I wrote (there's classes if you need help with reading comprehension :D) you'll note I said you "are" a sh*t team. I didn't say you played like sh*t. I suppose you punched above your weight for the afternoon but you are still a sh*t team as is evidence by where you are in the table. Had we played with 4 defenders working together, playing like they are capable, we'd have beat you by 2 goals at least. But we didn't, so you got a point. To use an American euphemism, it was your Super Bowl. Congrats.
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      Reply #867: Jan 06, 2025 04:51:21 pm


      I think you misread my post - that was in relation to Kobbie Mainoo struggling to get back defensively.
      Fair enough
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      Reply #868: Jan 06, 2025 04:53:12 pm
      If you read back what I wrote (there's classes if you need help with reading comprehension :D) you'll note I said you "are" a sh*t team. I didn't say you played like sh*t. I suppose you punched above your weight for the afternoon but you are still a sh*t team as is evidence by where you are in the table. Had we played with 4 defenders working together, playing like they are capable, we'd have beat you by 2 goals at least. But we didn't, so you got a point. To use an American euphemism, it was your Super Bowl. Congrats.

      Let me work this one out. 🤔
      Right!! We didn’t play like sh*te? But we’re still a sh*te team. 😂 Think I’ll stay confused on this one.  :lmao:

      Ps. Can I borrow those rose tints 😎😎 of yours please? I may understand then. 😎
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      Reply #869: Jan 06, 2025 04:57:03 pm
      Let me work this one out. 🤔
      Right!! We didn’t play like sh*te? But we’re still a sh*te team. 😂 Think I’ll stay confused on this one.  :lmao:

      Ps. Can I borrow those rose tints 😎😎 of yours please? I may understand then. 😎

      It's not hard, I'd bet most folks could understand what I'm saying. Our defense played like sh*t, your team is sh*t. It's pretty simple.

      There's not a single player on your team that I'd want in our team. Your results this season have been riddled with sh*t performances, your place in the table tells the tale. Our place in the table tells the tale for us. Slabhead's miss on an open goal sums up why your team is sh*t. If you think I'm biased, I am, but that doesn't make me wrong. It just means you are kidding yourself. If you are looking for some sort of confirmation bias, you may want to stick to one of the many United forums.
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      Reply #870: Jan 06, 2025 05:16:58 pm
      It's not hard, I'd bet most folks could understand what I'm saying. Our defense played like sh*t, your team is sh*t. It's pretty simple.

      There's not a single player on your team that I'd want in our team. Your results this season have been riddled with sh*t performances, your place in the table tells the tale. Our place in the table tells the tale for us. Slabhead's miss on an open goal sums up why your team is sh*t. If you think I'm biased, I am, but that doesn't make me wrong. It just means you are kidding yourself. If you are looking for some sort of confirmation bias, you may want to stick to one of the many United forums.

      Come on FL was that last comment really  needed? I thought we got over that.  🤷‍♂ Many of my recent comments all though true in my opinion was  :f_tongueincheek:  I really don’t want it to go back to the way it was but if that’s what you want then just say?

      You’ve basically just told me I’m right in think your biased as you’ve just admitted it. 😂 

      Agree with some of your comments though. Many of our performances have been dismal to say the least. However! Saying you wouldn’t take the likes of Garnacho-Amad-Mainoo  as squad players that most definitely improve your squad confirms yet again it’s a biased opinion. Obviously entitled to it though.

      Ps.. let me know about your last paragraph and my first. 👍
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #871: Jan 06, 2025 05:18:11 pm
      Yeah his walking around for goal number 1 especially was the thing for me. Maybe this is the defining moment as he wasn't doing it the entire game as much as people will have you believe he did. But it was a terrible look and needs to be called out on that specific moment absolutely.

      Sprinting backwards, again it's never been a defining attribute for him - because he doesn't have that sprint speed. It's not lack of effort, it's lack of ability. Robbo got caught out of position loads during his prime but had that speed to get back and was able to save himself somewhat. Kyle Walker made a career from it. Mainoo for Man Utd got caught out at least twice every game last season and again this season has shown signs of it where there is a counter attack against them and he is basically jogging backwards leaving massive empty gaps in midfield. Which they have conceded a few goals from too. People have never once questioned his lack of effort, it's just that he is slow! But because Trent doesn't have massive afterburners, it's taken as lack of effort.

      But that's going backwards. When the ball is in front of him, he needs to be pressing and harrying more. Absolutely. There is no hiding from that.

      I think that big glare VVD gave him at the end was because his passing was poor and giving it away cheaply, not from lack of trying. he made 8 interceptions yesterday. Was that the highest in the match? You don't do that with lack of effort and 'not wanting to defend'. The tackle on Dalot in the first minute doesn't come from lack of effort or not wanting to defend.

      Correct me if I'm wrong but Trent didn't make a single tackle yesterday.

      Agree with the gist of your post tough. His lack of mobility, certainly in terms of quick bursts, can make him look like he doesn't care. He has never had afterburners. Recall Rashford giving him a real going over for pace early in his career. Wilfred Zaha another who loved skinning Trent.

      This lack of recovery pace means that he gets done too easily.

      The issue with Trent not having real pace though is this is compounded by him not sensing danger either. Carra didn't have the former, but he did have the latter quality, as he always sensed danger so positioned himself accordingly to make it harder for an attacker to exploit his mobility issue. Steve Bruce, again not the most mobile, but knew where to position himself (Romario was one of the very few players to give him a real doing). Paul McGrath (especially in his later years) could barely move, he couldn't train at all as his knees were fu**ed, but his reading of the game, knowing where the danger lay, often saw him come out on top, and there was no better display of this vs R.Baggio, Signori and co. at Giants Stadium in the '94 World Cup.

      Against Fulham, Trent switched off twice, and only sensed danger when it was too late (ie. when the pass was made out to the wide player he was meant to be tracking, with his attempt to block the cross coming too late before they scored). This waking up late to danger is a common theme of his. For the opener yesterday, so passive, like it was a kick about, and only when the pass was put through to the goalscorer did Trent wake up and make a run, but by then, too late, again.

      Physically: Not quick enough over short bursts nor to make a recovery tackle
      Mentally: Not switched on to sense danger until it's too late.

      It's this combination that makes Trent a pisspoor defensive player, and one who needs protection by the midfielders as happened under JĂŒrgen. He has not been afforded this under Slot so more of the onus is on him to do his job, but he lacks those key characteristics to do so effectively. It's for this reason I dont think he is a full back, but is playing that position on the field as it's there where he gets time and space to allow him make those extraordinary passes that he has in his locker.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #872: Jan 06, 2025 05:27:44 pm
      Come on FL was that last comment really  needed? I thought we got over that.  🤷‍♂ Many of my recent comments all though true in my opinion was  :f_tongueincheek:  I really don’t want it to go back to the way it was but if that’s what you want then just say?

      You’ve basically just told me I’m right in think your biased as you’ve just admitted it. 😂 

      Agree with some of your comments though. Many of our performances have been dismal to say the least. However! Saying you wouldn’t take the likes of Garnacho-Amad-Mainoo  as squad players that most definitely improve your squad confirms yet again it’s a biased opinion. Obviously entitled to it though.

      Ps.. let me know about your last paragraph and my first. 👍

      Who is to say how a player might perform under a different manager, but no as they stand now, I wouldn't want Garnacho, Amad or Mainoo. I'd maybe consider your keeper as a third choice option :D
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      Reply #873: Jan 06, 2025 05:31:58 pm
      Who is to say how a player might perform under a different manager, but no as they stand now, I wouldn't want Garnacho, Amad or Mainoo. I'd maybe consider your keeper as a third choice option :D

      If you are looking for some sort of confirmation bias, you may want to stick to one of the many United forums.


      Come on FL was that last comment really  needed? I thought we got over that.  🤷‍♂ Many of my recent comments all though true in my opinion was  :f_tongueincheek:  I really don’t want it to go back to the way it was but if that’s what you want then just say?


      Ps.. let me know about your last paragraph and my first. 👍


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