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Disagree.

The hate a racist speech you fear is exactly how they feel in real life, segments of every faith, so why dumb it down for social media pretending everything is fine its not.

Again your saying racist sexist bigot!!! doing exactly what your saying you hate kind of makes my point. Your allowed to have your view or let's say the left view and shout it as loud and as far as you want.....but you don't like the rights view in responding in kind.

Both sides never agree both sides call each other one has control of the media.....or at least they did.

So what you are saying that you are very much on the right side

The App is full of racist and sexist hate speech that gets ignored because people say it’s “free speech”


Free speech is not the ability to say whatever you want

Free speech is the ability to talk but having responsibility not to offend demographic and high light in a negative way - sex , race , gender etc

Jack Dorsey should buy us with billions from his Twitter sale…

META have just gone down the same route as X.

Dorsey backed X earlier this year.

What is hate speech? Who decides what hate speech is? I just rhink that's a slippery slope, because a lot of things have been labeled that, and they're clearly not. They are challenging post that ask people to look at a situation objectively or to consider a differing opinion.

I say all of that to say that there is speech that excites violence or radicalizes a group of people, and that is the sort of thing that shouldn't be tolerated and should be banned.

Will give you some examples

Posts from Man Utd fans about Hillsborough and the deaths that day - all being allowed and ignored by Twitter / X etc

The likes of Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage , Katie Hopkins spouting their hatred about anyone that doesn’t have white skin

And the examples that I put in that other tweet

I dont agree with any of that guys post. I love people and swore and oath to protect and serve them, any the ones who hate me for what I do or represent. But you should be able to speak freely to a point. It's a constitutional right here in the states and is the best way for people to learn from one another.

Obviously the post from LPJ is an extreme case and his stuff should be taken down. But short of exciting violence, you should be able to talk about things and view points. There were a lot of things that Twitter use to shadow ban that shouldn't have been. Like a person having a different political opinion or a scientific take on gender. That stuff doesn't happen anymore and forces people to debate with one another, and that for me is a good thing

What about the rights of private entities such as LFC Reds to ban/moderate aggressive wumming Mancs? We have to draw the line somewhere 

So what you are saying that you are very much on the right side

The App is full of racist and sexist hate speech that gets ignored because people say it’s “free speech”


Free speech is not the ability to say whatever you want

Free speech is the ability to talk but having responsibility not to offend demographic and high light in a negative way - sex , race , gender etc

Think you mixing racist, sexist and hate speech up with Opinions that you don't agree with. Very easily done especially on social media. I can say I hate womens football as I think zero skill and its had to watch, that's an opinion but on Social media I am sexist.... No I'm not im telling you my opinion, you don't like it move on, but the shut down cancel culture of the offended needs to be stopped.

If that makes me right wing so be it.

What is hate speech? Who decides what hate speech is? I just rhink that's a slippery slope, because a lot of things have been labeled that, and they're clearly not. They are challenging post that ask people to look at a situation objectively or to consider a differing opinion.

I say all of that to say that there is speech that excites violence or radicalizes a group of people, and that is the sort of thing that shouldn't be tolerated and should be banned.

And that’s why you Americans are different from the Europeans with your right to insult who ever you want, carry guns so kids can be slaughtered in classrooms.
And probably the most insane that your president can pardon a killer

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What about the rights of private entities such as LFC Reds to ban/moderate aggressive wumming Mancs? We have to draw the line somewhere 

Hey!!! Since ( I think ) I’m the only manc on here the hat fits so wearing it. 😂  I certainly don’t wum in match threads, you lot can be toxic with each other let alone a manc joining in on them.

Taking the hat off now. 😂

Free speech is an illusion on any of the social media platforms. What gets promoted depends on decisions by the owners, and by algorithms which are themselves of course created and continually adjusted by people answerable to those owners.

The political leanings of the platform ultimately align with the political leanings and interests of its owners.

Personally I much preferred the old wild west days of the internet when it actually was free speech and content was not corporate managed . Anybody who thinks that Twitter under Musk is a return to anything like that is deluded. It's just not how those platforms work.
Social media, like the other media, are tools of social control.

This has always puzzled me. Socialist fanbase?

The city of Liverpool and its development from the industrial revolution onward is based on capitalism. It's a city rife with entrepreneurship. From the department store (Lewis's) coming up with the idea of the first Christmas grotto to entice customers in the 1870s, to Frank Hornby and his toys in the early 1900s, to Epstein commercialising the Beatles (and the merseybeat) in the 1960s, and the shops of small business owners that have existed in the city for centuries. And the club itself was founded by an entrepreneur, John Houlding.

On the mural of Houlding outside the Sandon, permitted by its owner Kate Stewart, she said, "As a local girl and local entrepreneur, he's someone for us to look up to. He’s left the most amazing legacy"

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/story-behind-mural-forgotten-underrated-28820462

Let's get it right, this is the Gary Neville school of "socialism". How many businesses does he own again? If you want to see actual socialism go to Venezuela, Cuba, N.Korea or take a look of some grim Youtube videos of life in the Soviet era with their state run stores with lots of empty shelves, limited choice with low quality state made produce.

There are plenty of reasons we would not want this Afrikaaner possibly (I dont believe it) looking to buy us, but that myth is not one of them.

I suspect you already know this; but your interpretation of the term "Socialist fanbase" is inaccurate. There is more flexibility in the word socialist than you suggest. You have chosen a pretty narrow political and ideological definition, whereas the fanbase use of the word is much less dogmatic and more reflective of (most) local people's core values, values such as a fairer distribution of wealth, not the closed mind denial of wealth creation or entrepreneurship implicit in your post.

Think you mixing racist, sexist and hate speech up with Opinions that you don't agree with. Very easily done especially on social media. I can say I hate womens football as I think zero skill and its had to watch, that's an opinion but on Social media I am sexist.... No I'm not im telling you my opinion, you don't like it move on, but the shut down cancel culture of the offended needs to be stopped.

If that makes me right wing so be it.

Not mixing up anything

Being derogatory about someone based on the “race , gender , religion” etc is hate/racist/ etc

Not liking a sport because it’s not very good is prob the worst comparison you can try and make

Twitter is full of hate speech that gets allowed , it’s not a surprise with the way Musk treated some of his employees based on their sex and ethnicity

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/sep/05/racism-misogyny-lies-how-did-x-become-so-full-of-hatred-and-is-it-ethical-to-keep-using-it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65246394.amp

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/11/15/x-is-failing-to-moderate-antisemitic-and-islamophobic-hate-speech-according-to-a-new-repor

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/09/13/x-formerly-twitter-hate-speech-running-rampant-ccdh.html

And that’s why you Americans are different from the Europeans with your right to insult who ever you want, carry guns so kids can be slaughtered in classrooms.
And probably the most insane that your president can pardon a killer

😳

You don't carry guns so kids can be slaughtered, you carry guns for a number of legal reasons. Unfortunately, good things can also be used for bad. I got called out just before our game on Sunday because i was alerted to a school threat that came through TikTok. Two hours later I had person in custody. Terrible stuff, but we are getting better with monitoring these things and being able to weed out the good from the bad. Still a way to go.

You can insult someone over here, short of putting them in fear of their safety. Once you put a person in reasonable fear of harm they can be charged with assualt, even if no battery is followed through. The first amendment also comes with consequences, I may be legally to call your mother a bi*ch, but that doesn't mean I don't get my ass beat for exercising my first amendment right.

While I was in Liverpool I went to a place called Doughbar and spoke for a while with a few dudes in there about American politics and Trump. A lot of our perception on stuff is formed on where we get our news from. Maybe read some different sites or listen to a alternative view point podcast on some of these things. Like everything, there's good and bad, and it's all in how you use it

Not mixing up anything

Being derogatory about someone based on the “race , gender , religion” etc is hate/racist/ etc

Not liking a sport because it’s not very good is prob the worst comparison you can try and make

Twitter is full of hate speech that gets allowed , it’s not a surprise with the way Musk treated some of his employees based on their sex and ethnicity

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/sep/05/racism-misogyny-lies-how-did-x-become-so-full-of-hatred-and-is-it-ethical-to-keep-using-it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65246394.amp

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/11/15/x-is-failing-to-moderate-antisemitic-and-islamophobic-hate-speech-according-to-a-new-repor

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/09/13/x-formerly-twitter-hate-speech-running-rampant-ccdh.html

Again the Gaurdian being offended by opinions does not make someone racist, you don't like someone's opinion move on or at worst get offended, you know being offended is personal just get on with it. Anyway we are getting off topic.

As many right wing supporters as left throughout our fan base and much more in-between. Whoever takes over in the future will offend certain sections that's a given.

Again the Gaurdian being offended by opinions does not make someone racist, you don't like someone's opinion move on or at worst get offended, you know being offended is personal just get on with it. Anyway we are getting off topic.

As many right wing supporters as left throughout our fan base and much more in-between. Whoever takes over in the future will offend certain sections that's a given.

Think you are confusing “opinion” and hate speech

You can’t just say whatever you want regardless of if it’s your opinion or not

And yes there are right wing supporters that follow the group - most form outside the city in my experience

You don't carry guns so kids can be slaughtered, you carry guns for a number of legal reasons. Unfortunately, good things can also be used for bad. I got called out just before our game on Sunday because i was alerted to a school threat that came through TikTok. Two hours later I had person in custody. Terrible stuff, but we are getting better with monitoring these things and being able to weed out the good from the bad. Still a way to go.

You can insult someone over here, short of putting them in fear of their safety. Once you put a person in reasonable fear of harm they can be charged with assualt, even if no battery is followed through. The first amendment also comes with consequences, I may be legally to call your mother a bi*ch, but that doesn't mean I don't get my ass beat for exercising my first amendment right.

While I was in Liverpool I went to a place called Doughbar and spoke for a while with a few dudes in there about American politics and Trump. A lot of our perception on stuff is formed on where we get our news from. Maybe read some different sites or listen to a alternative view point podcast on some of these things. Like everything, there's good and bad, and it's all in how you use it

I love having civil conversations with people that don't believe the same things as I do. It's probably where I've personally grown the most in how I view the world. I hope I've been able to have that affect on others as well, but just because I disagree with someone on pretty much any issue, doesn't mean we can't be civil or hell even friendly. It's boring to just be around and interact with a bunch of people that all believe the exact same thing as you do. And it's easy to do because we tend to stick to our own little tribes because they are comfortable spaces. That's one reason this forum has been something I've really enjoyed over the years...provides me a place where I can interact with people from all over the world that have all kinds of different views. It really is a crazy thing to think about especially for someone like me that grew up without the Internet and never dreamed that I'd visit countries in Europe and beyond my own borders.

Issues being over 6000000 supporters world wide very small percentage being from Liverpool. No matter how scousers hate that it's true. Politics doesn't belong in sport, and outside of Liverpool our support is prob 50 / 50 left and right wing.

WTF are you rambling about?
The point in discussion is the political support in the city of Liverpool and if it is socialist/Labour as opposed to Tory - following the last general election there is not a single Tory seat in Liverpool!

Think you are confusing “opinion” and hate speech

You can’t just say whatever you want regardless of if it’s your opinion or not

And yes there are right wing supporters that follow the group - most form outside the city in my experience

Over 60,000,000  supporters that follow LFC what you define as hate speech is different that what i do so becomes an opinion, majority of the 60,000,000 will have even more extreme opinions. Being offended is different than being the victim of a crime.

This Government fecked up by letting the snowflakes decide what was a crime I.e. if you belive person A was racist he must be, or you feel offended it must be a crime. Nonsense that is impossible to police and we are a laughing stock..

WTF are you rambling about?

WTF are you rambling about?
The point in discussion is the political support in the city of Liverpool and if it is socialist/Labour as opposed to Tory - following the last general election there is not a single Tory seat in Liverpool!

Not just the City that support the club that's the point.

X is basically a sewer now. The bloke isn't interested in owning a football club. He wants to push his agenda and his agenda only on the world.

Indeed!

X is basically a sewer now. The bloke isn't interested in owning a football club. He wants to push his agenda and his agenda only on the world.

Interested as to what the agenda is?

I love having civil conversations with people that don't believe the same things as I do. It's probably where I've personally grown the most in how I view the world. I hope I've been able to have that affect on others as well, but just because I disagree with someone on pretty much any issue, doesn't mean we can't be civil or hell even friendly. It's boring to just be around and interact with a bunch of people that all believe the exact same thing as you do. And it's easy to do because we tend to stick to our own little tribes because they are comfortable spaces. That's one reason this forum has been something I've really enjoyed over the years...provides me a place where I can interact with people from all over the world that have all kinds of different views. It really is a crazy thing to think about especially for someone like me that grew up without the Internet and never dreamed that I'd visit countries in Europe and beyond my own borders.

100 percent. Im great friends with a guy from Boston. He's definitely someone who identifies with American libreal view points. My law enforcement friends get on me for always talking with him and ask why I listen to his radical view points. I love it. He challenges me and he listens to me. We usually end our conversations on different pages, but we've heard the argument and that data is now ours to own and think on. It's helped me tremendously over the years.

He's also a Arsenal supporter, so the oast few weeks have been fun for me

You don't carry guns so kids can be slaughtered, you carry guns for a number of legal reasons. Unfortunately, good things can also be used for bad. I got called out just before our game on Sunday because i was alerted to a school threat that came through TikTok. Two hours later I had person in custody. Terrible stuff, but we are getting better with monitoring these things and being able to weed out the good from the bad. Still a way to go.

You can insult someone over here, short of putting them in fear of their safety. Once you put a person in reasonable fear of harm they can be charged with assualt, even if no battery is followed through. The first amendment also comes with consequences, I may be legally to call your mother a bi*ch, but that doesn't mean I don't get my ass beat for exercising my first amendment right.

While I was in Liverpool I went to a place called Doughbar and spoke for a while with a few dudes in there about American politics and Trump. A lot of our perception on stuff is formed on where we get our news from. Maybe read some different sites or listen to a alternative view point podcast on some of these things. Like everything, there's good and bad, and it's all in how you use it

Don’t tell me you carry guns in case those pesky Red Indians come and steal your cattle 😂.

Like I said you lot over the water are a strange bunch, carry on with the slaughter.