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      Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #552: Jan 08, 2025 10:53:53 pm
      Nunez did well with his chances. Keeper got lucky saving that second chance. That should have been a goal. It is what it is.
      The one Diaz put in was all he could do, the other was right at the keeper. Tough angle and the GK did well, but it's still a shot you should make. Far too often he did just that, hit it center mass into the goalie
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      Reply #553: Jan 08, 2025 10:54:52 pm
      There's no getting away from it...we were poor tonight. We got lucky with the Alisson brain fart, 9 times out of 10 you would expect them to score from that. The Solanke offside was microscopic, so again we only just escaped there. All that said, the lad who scored shouldn't have been on the pitch. I don't know or care whether his first booking was deserved...he was yellow carded..end of... the later foul against Tsimikas merited a yellow, and so he should have gone. The ref bottled it...they often do, home crowd, near the end of the game, they don't want to have to explain it...so they bottle out.
      Of course 99 times out of a 100 it wouldn't matter because it's staggeringly unlikely that player will then go on and score the decisive goal.
      As bad as we were...that lack of spine from the ref cost us the game.
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      Reply #554: Jan 08, 2025 10:58:33 pm

      Definition of a cynical foul please? Does that include an opponent being removed from the play whilst you gain an advantage?
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      Reply #555: Jan 08, 2025 10:58:58 pm
      Ali 6 - Few decent saves, 1 huge F**k up which he was lucky Virg saved his blushes from.

      Bradley 7 - Looked good, agressive, got stuck in and won the ball a few times.
      Quansah 5 - Shaky, subbed early.
      Virg 7.5 - Standard top performance from the captain.
      Kostas 6.5 - Thought he did ok....energy and got up in support of Gakpo/Diaz a lot, annoyed he was off the pitch when they scored.

      Grav 7 - Besides 1 poor pass straight out of play, a solid game from the Grav.
      Macca 6 - Meh.

      Salah 4 - Non existant.
      Jones 2 - Utter sh*te.
      Gakpo 7.5 - One of the brightest players in that first hour.

      Jota 5.5 - Few nice touches but that was all we saw.

      Endo 7 - Very calm and composed on the ball, love his crisp accurate passes. Instantly improved when he came on.
      Diaz 6 - Lively but not a great deal of end product.
      Nunez 6 - Again lively, few efforts on goal.
      Ibou 4 - Poor cameo. First action was giving away a stupid foul and needed to put the breaks on when Solanke turns him.
      Trent 6 - At least tried to make things happen with a few teasing crosses.

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      Reply #556: Jan 08, 2025 11:08:25 pm
      Knee jerking much? Still, you've stopped calling "Salah out". For now anyway.

      Faking much? I've not called Salah Out  :lmao: :lmao:
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      Reply #557: Jan 08, 2025 11:08:44 pm
      Looks like Quansah was feeling ill as opposed to being injured
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      Reply #558: Jan 08, 2025 11:18:30 pm
      Not overly bothered. Probably will Kane them for the second leg. Still can't trust the Refs. Diaz get pushed in the back goes over and VAR dismiss it in seconds. Jones gets a boot on the calf in last minute, nothing given VAR said nothing in it.

      Kostas gets taken out with a cynical foul, Postecoglou claims it wasn't cynical...Ref sh*t himself. Typical. I blame the ball...or that feckin' eejit Musk..put the mockers on us...sod off Muskrat..
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      Reply #559: Jan 08, 2025 11:31:10 pm
      do think slot needs to be a bit careful with some lads....Gravenberch looked spent last 20, he's played a hell of a lot. elliott not getting a minute not the best look for him....bit surprised he brought konate on, endo was doing fine. and when he came on konate didn't look like he was moving great... we looked a weird mix of weary and very rusty tonight.
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      Reply #560: Jan 08, 2025 11:43:17 pm
      Being honest, not really bothered about this competition. So if we're gonna loose, let it be tonight, and hopefully get the wake up.

      Players who haven't had a lot of game time recently got runs out, so thats good. Wouldnt expect them to be match sharp yet.

      Would expect FSG to do jack sh*t in Jan, after doing jack sh*t in the summer, so need the whole squad, ideally players properly pushing each other for selection when they get their chance.

      This cup and the FA Cup are games that need to be 'managed',  give them a decent shot, but secondary concerns to the bread and butter.

      Who'd have thought we'd be where we are right now. Prep for tonight and weekend imho should be about trying to leave ourselves in the best position to win against Forest.
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      Reply #561: Jan 09, 2025 12:02:25 am
      Just got back from WHL to my hotel in Marylebone, got a big meeting in the office tomorrow that i cant be arsed with. Anyways,  Slot got the team selection wrong tonight. Diaz and Trent shouldve started.

      We're a much better team with Trent. Bradley is s great kid but he's no trent.

      Those who want Trent legged havent got a F***ing clue.

      If your not bothered about losing why bother? A semi final against a sh*t Spuds team has now become a massive 2nd leg. A type of game we couldve done without.
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      Reply #562: Jan 09, 2025 12:07:30 am
      Just got back from WHL to my hotel in Marylebone, got a big meeting in the office tomorrow that i cant be arsed with. Anyways,  Slot got the team selection wrong tonight. Diaz and Trent shouldve started.

      We're a much better team with Trent. Bradley is s great kid but he's no trent.

      Those who want Trent legged havent got a F***ing clue.

      If your not bothered about losing why bother? A semi final against a sh*t Spuds team has now become a massive 2nd leg. A type of game we couldve done without.

      When Trent can be bothered to put in a shift, then yes. All he wants to do is receive the ball in acres of space, under no pressure, so he can have all the time in the world to shape a quality cross. You're not fooling the fans into thinking otherwise.

      Games like Sunday it looks like we're playing with 10 and a lot of times this season when Trent has played.....sorry to tell you, but we've looked average at best. Son was quiet and had very little joy tonight.
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      Re: Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #563: Jan 09, 2025 12:31:25 am
      By the way, pretty sure Curtis got kicked in the box at the end, but either no review or more likely, Tierney saw it and said “nah”.
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      Reply #564: Jan 09, 2025 01:23:11 am
      Being honest, not really bothered about this competition. So if we're gonna loose, let it be tonight, and hopefully get the wake up.

      Players who haven't had a lot of game time recently got runs out, so thats good. Wouldnt expect them to be match sharp yet.

      Would expect FSG to do jack sh*t in Jan, after doing jack sh*t in the summer, so need the whole squad, ideally players properly pushing each other for selection when they get their chance.

      This cup and the FA Cup are games that need to be 'managed',  give them a decent shot, but secondary concerns to the bread and butter.

      Who'd have thought we'd be where we are right now. Prep for tonight and weekend imho should be about trying to leave ourselves in the best position to win against Forest.

      Is there any point in doing anything in the Jan window.
      Not looking like Slott would use anyone we bought anyway.
      He has options in midfield he chooses not to use. Concequently everyone else looks knackered .
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      Reply #565: Jan 09, 2025 01:28:41 am
      Is there any point in doing anything in the Jan window.
      Not looking like Slott would use anyone we bought anyway.
      He has options in midfield he chooses not to use. Concequently everyone else looks knackered .

      Some have been worried about this for weeks. Either someone has to come in (they won’t) or he’s gotta start using Elliott and Endo more. Cos Gravenberch is going to be moving like me soon. I presume they’ll both start Saturday, no reason one of them can’t start against Lille.
      I had my eye on Grav and macca around 70mins when they were both running back and they looked absolutely gassed.
      Idk where this idea came from that endo is no use. Ok the manager clearly doesn’t rate him long term, but we got nobody in during the summer. He’s here. We’ve gotta use him. He played last season against city with rodri in the team and was a match for him.
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      Reply #566: Jan 09, 2025 05:05:55 am
      We were below par in two games in a row, we need a good rest and reset for Tuesday, we were poor but the ref cost us a draw. We're still in it with a return leg played at Anfield.

      Next Saturday, we need to rest so many players.
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      Reply #567: Jan 09, 2025 06:25:36 am
      Thought we looked tired all over the pitch. Very poor performance
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      Reply #568: Jan 09, 2025 08:49:49 am
      Ali 6 - Few decent saves, 1 huge F**k up which he was lucky Virg saved his blushes from.

      Bradley 7 - Looked good, agressive, got stuck in and won the ball a few times.
      Quansah 5 - Shaky, subbed early.
      Virg 7.5 - Standard top performance from the captain.
      Kostas 6.5 - Thought he did ok....energy and got up in support of Gakpo/Diaz a lot, annoyed he was off the pitch when they scored.

      Grav 7 - Besides 1 poor pass straight out of play, a solid game from the Grav.
      Macca 6 - Meh.

      Salah 4 - Non existant.
      Jones 2 - Utter sh*te.
      Gakpo 7.5 - One of the brightest players in that first hour.

      Jota 5.5 - Few nice touches but that was all we saw.

      Endo 7 - Very calm and composed on the ball, love his crisp accurate passes. Instantly improved when he came on.
      Diaz 6 - Lively but not a great deal of end product.
      Nunez 6 - Again lively, few efforts on goal.
      Ibou 4 - Poor cameo. First action was giving away a stupid foul and needed to put the breaks on when Solanke turns him.
      Trent 6 - At least tried to make things happen with a few teasing crosses.

      Jones is the common denominator in the last two performances. It's worrying how we are so dependent on one player, Dom, in making us tick. Having said that even 115 look different without Rodri in that pivotal role.

      We saw it last season with Klopp, and this season with Slot, when that advanced midfielder does not press high, support the foward line with runs into the box, the team does not function close to what it should. Salah (especially at 32) needs legs around him, making runs off him. There has been next to none of that over the past two games and so, surprise surprise, Salah has been quiet.

      This is not to try and bury Jones. He is a class player, and he has his place in a starting XI when it's a balanced midfield, but that advanced role, against better quality sides, needs to be an athlete who provides what Dom does, especially so if the other midfielders aren't athletes either. It's too slow, passive, and lacking in intensity when its Jones, Mac and Grav.

      Being honest, not really bothered about this competition. So if we're gonna loose, let it be tonight, and hopefully get the wake up.

      Players who haven't had a lot of game time recently got runs out, so thats good. Wouldnt expect them to be match sharp yet.

      Would expect FSG to do jack sh*t in Jan, after doing jack sh*t in the summer, so need the whole squad, ideally players properly pushing each other for selection when they get their chance.

      This cup and the FA Cup are games that need to be 'managed',  give them a decent shot, but secondary concerns to the bread and butter.

      Who'd have thought we'd be where we are right now. Prep for tonight and weekend imho should be about trying to leave ourselves in the best position to win against Forest.

      Not bothered in the slightest. I'd even go as far as to say I wouldn't give a monkeys if we lost to Accrington if that meant we win at Forest.

      I'd also chuck the CL in with the domestic cups as being firmly secondary. As big as that competition is, it's also a bit of a lottery where you can go all they way to the final and then get done by a smash and grab by an inferior side (Royal Madrid against us).

      The league is far and away the top priority, this season at least. I hope that is what the management is thinking anyway. We saw last season how hard it is to manage 4 competitions, and this squad is even thinner. Plus last season we were not in the league position we are now.

      Don't spread ourselves too thin otherwise we end up with nowt.
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      Reply #569: Jan 09, 2025 09:00:53 am
      Jones is the common denominator in the last two performances. It's worrying how we are so dependent on one player, Dom, in making us tick. Having said that even 115 look different without Rodri in that pivotal role.

      We saw it last season with Klopp, and this season with Slot, when that advanced midfielder does not press high, support the foward line with runs into the box, the team does not function close to what it should. Salah (especially at 32) needs legs around him, making runs off him. There has been next to none of that over the past two games and so, surprise surprise, Salah has been quiet.

      This is not to try and bury Jones. He is a class player, and he has his place in a starting XI when it's a balanced midfield, but that advanced role, against better quality sides, needs to be an athlete who provides what Dom does, especially so if the other midfielders aren't athletes either. It's too slow, passive, and lacking in intensity when its Jones, Mac and Grav.

      Not bothered in the slightest. I'd even go as far as to say I wouldn't give a monkeys if we lost to Accrington if that meant we win at Forest.

      I'd also chuck the CL in with the domestic cups as being firmly secondary. As big as that competition is, it's also a bit of a lottery where you can go all they way to the final and then get done by a smash and grab by an inferior side (Royal Madrid against us).

      The league is far and away the top priority, this season at least. I hope that is what the management is thinking anyway. We saw last season how hard it is to manage 4 competitions, and this squad is even thinner. Plus last season we were not in the league position we are now.

      Don't spread ourselves too thin otherwise we end up with nowt.

      I know you don’t rate Jones but your first two paragraphs are just nonsense, what link up does Szobo provide to the forward line, how many assists does he have, how many key passes has he made?
      You can accuse Jones of many things but a lack of legs is not one of them, if anything he probably makes more late runs into the box than Dom.

      The issue last night was our front 3 and 2 in particular Jota and Mo were just garbage.

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      Reply #570: Jan 09, 2025 09:07:16 am
      Jones is the common denominator in the last two performances. It's worrying how we are so dependent on one player, Dom, in making us tick. Having said that even 115 look different without Rodri in that pivotal role.

      We saw it last season with Klopp, and this season with Slot, when that advanced midfielder does not press high, support the foward line with runs into the box, the team does not function close to what it should. Salah (especially at 32) needs legs around him, making runs off him. There has been next to none of that over the past two games and so, surprise surprise, Salah has been quiet.

      This is not to try and bury Jones. He is a class player, and he has his place in a starting XI when it's a balanced midfield, but that advanced role, against better quality sides, needs to be an athlete who provides what Dom does, especially so if the other midfielders aren't athletes either. It's too slow, passive, and lacking in intensity when its Jones, Mac and Grav.

      Not bothered in the slightest. I'd even go as far as to say I wouldn't give a monkeys if we lost to Accrington if that meant we win at Forest.

      I'd also chuck the CL in with the domestic cups as being firmly secondary. As big as that competition is, it's also a bit of a lottery where you can go all they way to the final and then get done by a smash and grab by an inferior side (Royal Madrid against us).

      The league is far and away the top priority, this season at least. I hope that is what the management is thinking anyway. We saw last season how hard it is to manage 4 competitions, and this squad is even thinner. Plus last season we were not in the league position we are now.

      Don't spread ourselves too thin otherwise we end up with nowt.

      Very good point on Jones.

      I'm one on here who rates him pretty highly but he doesn't quite fit that advanced 10 role that Arne plays.

      I'd have sooner seen Elliott there last night and definitely agree Dom is the best fit for that position right now
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      Reply #571: Jan 09, 2025 09:15:50 am
      I know you don’t rate Jones but your first two paragraphs are just nonsense, what link up does Szobo provide to the forward line, how many assists does he have, how many key passes has he made?
      You can accuse Jones of many things but a lack of legs is not one of them, if anything he probably makes more late runs into the box than Dom.

      The issue last night was our front 3 and 2 in particular Jota and Mo were just garbage.

      Ard you really that naive? Or blind?

      Dom hassles the sh*t out of the opposing rearguard with 90 minutes of pressing. That's the 'creativity'. Does he make key passes? Not often (though he had a nice cut back to Mo at Spurs, which we would like to see more of as he has it in him). It's the running power, the intensity, the energy he gives to the midfield that is otherwise slow and passive when he is not in it. He powers up the midfield which in turn aids the forwards.

      Regards Jones and "not rating him", you clearly didn't read what I said. His best attribute is ball retention, which is such a key quality in terms of controlling games. But an athlete he ain't, at least nowhere close to what Dom provides. He also still has a habit of not releasing the ball quick enough, which only exacerbates the slow midfield of him, Grav and Mac.
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      Reply #572: Jan 09, 2025 09:28:41 am
      After witnessing our performance last night, following the poor effort v Munts, I think its beginning to look like some our players are looking physically knackered already. Earlier on it was said the Arne use his tactical knowledge to adjust the performance of the side, during games. It looks like he's now overthinking things, and making changes where they aren't needed. i.e. Konate last night. Also the lack of use of decent players to give regulars a break, i.e. Bradley and Elliot. Although he did use Bradley for minutes last night, he could be used more often to give Trent a break. Trent did look better going forward last night than he has done recently, but the defensive role of his job, still hangs in the balance.
      We also seem to be holding on to the ball far too long, all over the pitch. We usually play slow slow slow at the back, gradually move the ball up to midfield, then go full on high tempo, one or two touch passing with two midfielders supporting the front line, and we slice though teams.
      Just lately we are so slow, with too many touches all over the pitch. Getting closed down and losing the ball. What the hell has changed over 3-4 games, that we have become so lethargic for long periods of games. I thought after the Munts, we would have picked things up a level, but we got something similar. The first subs made a slight difference and we started to take control. The second subs were just putting us back to square one.
      Either the players need to up the tempo, fresh legs need to be introduced, or Arne needs to change tactics.
       I can see our season going tits up all round. Accrington may be a game for the fringe players, but we need the favoured 11 to get back on form before the Forrest game. Not sure missing the Accrington game is gonna afford them that opportunity.
      With what looks to be going on, I think I need to change my predictions, to expect lesser quality performances. I don't hold out much hope for us at Forrest to be honest, unless something changes pretty quickly.
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      Reply #573: Jan 09, 2025 09:35:42 am
      1) League
      2) CL
      3) don't care
      4) don't care
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      Re: Tottenham Hotspur 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #574: Jan 09, 2025 09:58:14 am
      Very good point on Jones.

      I'm one on here who rated him pretty highly but he doesn't quite fit that advanced 10 role that Arne plays.

      I'd have sooner seen Elliott there last night and definitely agree Dom is the best fit for that position right now

      Jones is more of an 8 player , he should be rotated with Mc

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