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      heimdall
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      Reply #3875: Sep 12, 2019 08:17:00 am
      People say this a lot, that if the game is much more professional these days then the batsman must be better - doesn't work for me though.

      Bradman's average speaks for itself for me. It's still such a crazy outlier, even at that time, let alone now. Obviously comparing eras is never easy but I still can't say he's definitely better, much less saying much better. To each their own though!

      As I said Bradman is absolutely a legend and he was a superb batsman in any era of cricket, but surely you must concede that the bowling attacks faced by Smith are far more difficult to bat against, in terms of speed from the fast bowlers or more tricks and spin from the spin bowlers. In all likelihood a batsman as good as Bradman would have been able to adapt and cope with them as well as Smith but its impossible to say for certain.
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      Reply #3876: Sep 12, 2019 09:25:50 am
      All sports have progressed. Cricketers are far more professional in all aspects of the game but individual brilliance is difficult to quantify when assessing players from the past. Bradman played the pull shot brilliantly and was a master of his craft.

      The two greatest players I've seen in recent years are Lara and Tendulka and I rate them above Smith. Tendulka is top run scorer in Test cricket with over 15,000 runs.12 others have scored 10,000 or more. Smith is not on that list.

      Certainly Smith is a fantastic player and but it's a bit premature to rate him above the greats of the game.
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      Reply #3877: Sep 12, 2019 10:44:02 am
      Australia won the toss and will bowl. Woakes & Curran back in. Siddle and Marsh in for Aussies,

      Woakes back of a length hitting top of off, confidence player rather than confident.But our batting line up has been confused and certainly inconsistent. So many need a score.Root needs to up his game as well. Butler has to prove he's a test match player, hasn't come anywhere near it so far.

      None of this dead rubber crap, England need to show some serious crit. Will they....nah..
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      Reply #3878: Sep 12, 2019 10:55:11 am
      England are a poor batting team and the Aussies may well do us for 120 but everything being equal, it's a bat first game.

      Theres finally live grass on the wicket though, could be a quick test match.
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      Reply #3879: Sep 12, 2019 10:58:35 am
      As I said Bradman is absolutely a legend and he was a superb batsman in any era of cricket, but surely you must concede that the bowling attacks faced by Smith are far more difficult to bat against, in terms of speed from the fast bowlers or more tricks and spin from the spin bowlers. In all likelihood a batsman as good as Bradman would have been able to adapt and cope with them as well as Smith but its impossible to say for certain.

      Bradman went through the bodyline series.

      Bowlers still bowled fast back then, and if Bradman would have been hit on the head like Archer did to Smith, without a helmet, then that would have been career over at best.
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      Reply #3880: Sep 12, 2019 11:14:24 am
      Anyone without sky the cricket is on hesgoal
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      Reply #3881: Sep 12, 2019 11:42:05 am
      Denly out 27-1.Poor shot wafted at it. Didn't look sharpe and out to an ill judged shot.
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      Reply #3882: Sep 12, 2019 11:53:36 am
      Root looks sharpe.Bit of intent early on. Been getting out in and around the 60 mark.I think he's just been losing a bit of discipline and patience.As if he wants to get thru to the 90's 100's quickly..getting ahead of himself. Wait for the bad ball and stay patient.Looks up for it.
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      Reply #3883: Sep 12, 2019 12:50:15 pm
      If root doesn't score a 100 today he never will
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      Reply #3884: Sep 12, 2019 12:50:51 pm
      If England get a draw out of this series, they'll have Tim Payne to thank.

      Australia should be batting.

      Burns has impressed me, the best opener on display for either team by a long way.
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      Reply #3885: Sep 12, 2019 01:27:09 pm
      People say this a lot, that if the game is much more professional these days then the batsman must be better - doesn't work for me though.

      Bradman's average speaks for itself for me. It's still such a crazy outlier, even at that time, let alone now. Obviously comparing eras is never easy but I still can't say he's definitely better, much less saying much better. To each their own though!

      Bradman also played on uncovered pitches.
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      Reply #3886: Sep 12, 2019 01:44:20 pm
      3 drops for Root now. Needs to cash in, but it's a real worry hes given up 3 chances to get to 31.

      Siddle on the mark after lunch. Smith looks like he could do with them glasses he was mocking Jack Leach with in the celebrations Sunday night.
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      Reply #3887: Sep 12, 2019 02:07:11 pm
      Burns out..lost sight of a bouncy one from Hazelwood. See if Benny Stokes can get a score, we need it as we don't bat that deep.
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      Reply #3888: Sep 12, 2019 02:48:53 pm
      Burns out..lost sight of a bouncy one from Hazelwood. See if Benny Stokes can get a score, we need it as we don't bat that deep.

      Perhaps not on paper, but we do have a tail capable of causing some damage if the batsman take us to 250/5. Bit of swing for Marsh here.
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      Reply #3889: Sep 12, 2019 02:50:10 pm
      3 gifts of wickets for the Aussies today. That was very ugly. Put the pull away, dont need to be handing them wickets.
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      Reply #3890: Sep 12, 2019 02:53:17 pm
      I like Bairstow but if he gets out bowled or LB for cheap today then questions will be asked.

      Vaughan is right, Payne has had a shocker this morning at the toss. We have to learn sooner rather than later to put the foot on his throat and not let it off. This is easily a 300/6 day for England if they play properly.

      Play in the V and win this match.
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      Reply #3891: Sep 12, 2019 03:24:24 pm
      Getting out to mitchell f**king marsh
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      Reply #3892: Sep 12, 2019 03:53:07 pm
      Bradman went through the bodyline series.

      Bowlers still bowled fast back then, and if Bradman would have been hit on the head like Archer did to Smith, without a helmet, then that would have been career over at best.

      What's the difference between bodyline and some of the deliveries from Cummins, Hazelwood, Archer etc which are aimed at the body? BTW Wasn't it only one series which had Bodyline before it was banned?
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      Reply #3893: Sep 12, 2019 04:25:55 pm
      What's the difference between bodyline and some of the deliveries from Cummins, Hazelwood, Archer etc which are aimed at the body? BTW Wasn't it only one series which had Bodyline before it was banned?

      All the fielders behind square on the leg side that you would want, no '2 for the over' rule on bouncers from the umpire, uncovered pitches and no helmet.

      It's a batsman's game these days.
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      Reply #3894: Sep 12, 2019 04:26:43 pm
      England need to dig in this first half hour before cashing in just before the new ball is due.
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      Reply #3895: Sep 12, 2019 04:36:32 pm
      Bairstow is dead here. Where is he even playing that delivery?????

      What a f**king mess we have made of this.
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      Reply #3896: Sep 12, 2019 04:39:14 pm
      Here we go again. Same old sh*t. Incapable of playing straight
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      Reply #3897: Sep 12, 2019 04:44:36 pm
      No ball.

      Was just about typing that Curran is a decent player but he wont like the short stuff or the follow up full one.

      Hes got a life but must get forward and not shuffle across.

      Brave it out, he wont bowl for much longer.

      That's the fourth life this innings, we have to eventually make it count.
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      Reply #3898: Sep 12, 2019 04:51:29 pm
      I'd have loved to see Anderson in this series. Different game when the ball swings and its notoriously something the Aussies cant cope with.
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      Reply #3899: Sep 12, 2019 05:00:50 pm
      Could've easily been 8/9 wickets down by now..but we're not so lets hope we dig in and at least get 250+.

      Curran lucky with the no ball let off. But Cummins is a great bowler, moving it both ways in the air and off the seam, really hits the deck hard and still only 26.

      Curran out playing one day cricket.

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