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      Bootle Buck
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      Spirit of Shankly
      Feb 07, 2008 10:35:56 am
      This landed in my E-mail inbox with the instructions to forward it on to all Reds.

      Thought it would do no harm to drop it in here...

      LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION
      "Sons of Shankly"
       
      You may or may not have heard of us. But here's a little bit about who we are.

      To do exactly as it says on the tin. A Union for all Liverpool Supporters.

      A voice that represents us all. A platform for us all to stand together and fight for what we believe in.

       
      It is early days, and more details of how the organisation will grow will appear over the next few weeks and months. But the catalyst for our formation.....

      We want Tom Hicks and George Gillett out of our club - why?

       
      THEY LIED & HAVE JEOPARDISED OUR CLUB FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN

       They promised that all loans would be would be secured against their own personal assets.


      THEY LIED


      ·              They have taken out a loan of £350m. £105m has been secured against the club and £245m against Kop Holdings – which owns 100% of Liverpool Football Club and has only one source of revenue: The Club.


      ·              So, regardless of the smoke and mirrors, Liverpool Football Club has to pay all of the interest on all of the £350m.

       
      ·              The interest payments alone for this debt will be around £30m each year. All of which will be payable by Liverpool FC – more than enough to wipe out the club's operating profit.

       
      ·              Gillett and Hicks have only taken out this new loan over an 18 month contract. This is very unusual for a deal of this size; three years is the usual minimum term. Wall Street analysts believe that this is because they had difficulty in getting the banks to lend them the money. Which raises questions about:

       
      THE STADIUM

       
      ·               £60m of that loan has been earmarked for starting construction of the new ground.


      ·              There is no funding yet in place to complete the stadium, nor has planning permission been granted for a 71,000 capacity. Existing consent is for 60,000, with any increase depending upon improvements to transport and car parking. With no underground car park, the new plans have less car parking than the original 60,000 design!

       
      ·              If they can't borrow again in 18 months then they cannot complete the stadium. How can they pledge now that the stadium will be built? In the same way they pledged it would be well on its way to completion twelve months ago – by misleading us.

       
      ·              So do they actually intend to complete the building of the new stadium?

       
      ·              Should Hicks & Gillett get the loan to actually build the new ground, the additional interest payments will be £25m per year.


      ·              This will leave Liverpool Football Club to shoulder annual payments of £55m in interest alone. Which begs the question:
         

      WHERE WILL THE FUNDS COME FROM FOR TRANSFERS?

       
      ·           When they took over, Hicks & Gillett promised to back the manager in the transfer market.


      ·              From the two transfer windows Hicks and Gillett have owned the club for, Benitez has spent £48.5m on players, and recouped £33.5m in player sales. A net spend of £15m. This is the up-to-date figure that includes the purchase of Skrtel and the sale of Sissoko.
       

      ·              The club brought in around £30m from the run to the Champions League Final last season alone. On top of this there is the increased TV money the club's has received.

       
      ·              Where is the money Gillett and Hicks have backed the manager with? They've lied to us, they've manipulated the press, and some people have believed the spin. We won't.
       

      ·              In reality, after all the talk about money and Snoogy Doogy, the manager has spent £15m in the last two transfer windows. How is that backing him in the transfer market?


      It is about time the real picture was painted for all Liverpool fans out there.

      They promised to respect the club's heritage, history and traditions.

       
      THEY HAVE LIED AND LIED.


      They asked to be judged on what their actions. Well they have failed to make a start or produce the funding on the stadium, the major reason why David Moores looked for investment, they have failed to back the manager in the transfer market, They have not put one single cent of their own money into this club and they have undermined the traditions of the football club and the office of manager.


      They have, however, managed to create huge debt for LFC to pay off without any end product.
       

      How, exactly, is the football club in a better position now than it was twelve months ago under David Moores?

       
      After the Sunderland game, we staged a 15 minutes stay behind protest at the end of the game. We intend to do the same again.


      During the protest, Steve McManaman commented on Setanta that the Americans had backed the manager in the transfer market, secured their new loan bringing money into the club, and we should all forget about it and move on. We don't blame McManaman, a fair number of good Reds have been won over by their spin, so why shouldn't a blue?

       
      So it's time to spread the message and get the real goings on from within Anfield to a wider audience.

      It's about time the truth was exposed.

      Hicks and Gillett have to be forced out of Anfield before they wreak more havoc.
       

      Keep a look out for www.sonsofshankly.com which will be going live in the next few days. We'll be handing out flyers at the match with details of any future events.
       
      We'll announce any future meetings on our website, everyone invited, all opinions welcomed.
       
      Please send this e-mail on to everyone you know. And keep an eye on our website for further updates and how to get involved.
       

      The next meeting is scheduled for The Olympia at 12pm on Saturday 16th February – before the Barnsley game.

       
      The Olympia

      99 West Derby Road
      Liverpool

      L6 2AF


      Everybody welcome - See you all there.

       "Liverpool Football Club, Is In The Wrong Hands"


      "The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards.

      It's the way I see football, the way I see life"


      LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS UNION

      "Sons of Shankly"
      « Last Edit: Mar 17, 2008 05:08:56 pm by redkenny »
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #1: Feb 07, 2008 02:42:10 pm
      Take it there'll be another stay behind after the Barnsley game then.

      Interesting to see Parry's words yesterday at the same time this email was probably circulating.
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #2: Feb 07, 2008 02:57:31 pm
      BootleBuck mate,

      Do you have the S.O.S (Sons Of Shankly) e-mail address, if you have, could i please have it?

      YNWA

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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #3: Feb 07, 2008 03:35:18 pm
      I'll be there! Not a cat in hells chance I'm missing that meeting!

      Encouraging words from them though. They know their stuff and they're intent on letting everyone else know it! :)
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #4: Feb 08, 2008 08:31:21 am
      BootleBuck mate,

      Do you have the S.O.S (Sons Of Shankly) e-mail address, if you have, could I please have it?

      YNWA

      Matt

      I haven't mate, I got the E-mail like most E-mails I get far down a long chain...... mates passing it onto mates then onto their mates etc.

      Once the website goes live, which it appears not to have yet, I'm sure there'll be a contact page.
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #5: Feb 08, 2008 03:04:20 pm
      Won't be here to get there.  If somebody wants to go on our behalf and get the latest.
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      Reply #6: Feb 08, 2008 09:36:08 pm
      I cant get out that early before the match next week but the SOS has my support to a millitary degree.Did anyone hear Rogan on Merseyside the other night?He has also got my support now.Club together if youre skint-but buy these bas**rds out for the sake of our grandkids and those we have lost.I for one have no money,but I do posess history honesty and integrity.Attack,Atttack,Attack Atttack Attack.
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #7: Feb 15, 2008 06:40:44 pm
      1,000 Liverpool FC fans expected at meeting to set up first football trade union


      Feb 15 2008 by Luke Traynor, Liverpool Echo

      UP to 1,000 Liverpool FC fans are expected to attend a meeting to create the country’s first football “trade union”.

      New movement The Sons of Shankly (SOS) is holding a mass gathering at The Olympia club in West Derby Road at noon tomorrow.

      An annual subscription fee of £10 is likely to be suggested, which could give signed up members a range of benefits.

      Non-profit making development trust EDT approached the supporters union and offered to carry out administrative duties for the group.

      A Paypal account will be set up, each member will get laminated cards and receive a newsletter.

      Other SOS benefits for members could include cheap travel offers for Premiership away trips and flights to European fixtures abroad.

      If the movements gathers pace, the group may have to register a business address, which could be at EDT’s headquarters on Great Homer Street.

      Supporters groups from Everton, Manchester United, Barcelona and German club Schalke 04 have expressed support.

      SOS is set to meet Liverpool University professor Rogan Taylor, who is behind the recent ShareLiverpoolFC scheme, to see if the two groups can work together.

      They have called for ex-players and other Liverpool celebrities to get involved and follow the example of Peter Hooton, member of The Farm, who is already a leading voice in SOS.

      SOS spokesman Nicky Alt said: “This will be a fully functioning fans’ union to get involved with the club at the highest level.

      “When we set up the union, we thought just 50 might turn up at the Sandon pub and we got around 400.

      “I wouldn’t be surprised if we reached the Olympia’s 1,200 capacity at the weekend.

      “Our main aim is to buy back the club, or at the very least have some form of representation on the board.

      “This has really snowballed and everyone can see this has so much potential.”


      Link here

      Is anyone definitely going down to the Olympia tomorrow? I wont be able to make it.

      I'd be interested to find out more about this 'trade union' business. I thought the aim of SOS was solely LFC.

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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #8: Feb 15, 2008 06:50:00 pm
      The SOS website has gone live, it looks good and professionally done.  Not much info on it yet only about the meet at the Olympia.

      http://www.sonsofshankly.com/
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #9: Feb 15, 2008 07:02:12 pm
      Nice one Smiggs.

      If you can get there, you should be there.

      You could say you should be there to work out how we get shut of the hideous Hicks and Gillett pairing, dooming the football club to debt upon debt, mismanagement and broken promises.

      You could say you should be there if you want to capture the moment when Liverpool FC's first attempt at a Socio arrangement began. You could say you should be there if you want that attempt to work.

      You could say you should be there to find out how we're looking at sorting out cheaper travel to and from games; how we want to put pressure on the football club to take action over the ticket office; how if we use our collective strength we can force change for the better at our football club.

      You could say you should be there to speak out about what's happening to the national game as it pursues every currency under the sun until its grassroots support squeaks.

      You could say you should be there to tell us what we haven't thought of yet – ways to represent and help every Red the world over and bring the club back to the people.

      There's a lot to say. There's one place to be:

      The Olympia
      99 West Derby Road
      Noon
      Saturday 16th February

      Bring your banners, bring your colours but most of all, bring your voice.



      I thought the 'trade union' talk and other clubs' fans getting involved might have something to do with the Premierships latest money making idea of taking games abroad.

      Should be a very interesting meeting tomorrow.
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #10: Feb 15, 2008 10:51:04 pm
      Thanks for giving all supporters a chance to know what's going on at the heart of things they (the yanks) must be shown the door which for them is the airport and on to Dallas & Montreal...(One way ticket)...
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #11: Feb 16, 2008 05:56:10 am
      ok i'd ask everyone not to verbally attack me straight away but some of the e-mail sounds like SOS spin to me. don't get me wrong i agree with the aims of SOS but an 8.5% interest rate on a loan of that size just seems ridiculous to me. like thats nearly overdraft rates!
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #12: Feb 17, 2008 06:37:14 pm
      Anyone got the latest?
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #13: Feb 17, 2008 09:39:37 pm
      Well done Sons Of Shankly GReat demo again yesterday.Surely its got to be worth £10 to support an orgaisation with the socialist beliefs of the great man himself.
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      Re: Next S.O.S. Meeting
      Reply #14: Feb 18, 2008 06:33:05 pm
      Hmmm...
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      Reply #15: Feb 18, 2008 09:18:54 pm
      BootleBuck mate,

      Do you have the S.O.S (Sons Of Shankly) e-mail address, if you have, could I please have it?

      YNWA

      Matt


      Hi i work with one of the lads who runs sos - i can let you have his work email if you want - anyway let me know
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      Reply #16: Feb 19, 2008 11:02:03 pm
      Anybody know if there was another demo after the game? 

      Part of me thinks we need to f**k all this stuff off now.  If DIC come in then fair enough but if they don't there isn't a lot we can do.  Paying £10 to join some union with ideas that blatantly won't work seems like someone's pockets are going to get lined further down the line.

      Anyone else's thoughts? 
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      Re: Sons of Shankly
      Reply #17: Feb 19, 2008 11:12:00 pm
      Thought that myself KK, would rather give the tenner to Zoe's Place, which reminds me, I need to send RED1028 some sponsor money on Thursday, payday !!  Yippee !!
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      Reply #18: Feb 19, 2008 11:21:49 pm
      A lot of me was disheartened when I heard about the £10 fee. From the slight information that's been 'leaked' it's supposed to give you discounts on away match travel funds?

      It was a good notion when the focus was on nothing else than our club. And any red could really feel a part of it and get involved without having to spend a penny.

      Don't get me wrong though, I haven't been to either of the publicised meetings. I want to know more. It needs to be less secretive. Does anyone else feel like that?
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      Reply #19: Feb 19, 2008 11:24:50 pm
      I've heard that DIC will be in charge of Liverpool by next season.
      Hicks will sell his stake to them before this season finishes.

      You heard it hear first  ;)
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      Re: Sons of Shankly
      Reply #20: Feb 20, 2008 12:37:23 am
      So that renders the Sons of Shankly thing as a bit of a waste of time anyway.  Discounts on away match travel?

      Sounds like the Supporters Club on Breck Road from a few years back kind of thing.
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      Reply #21: Feb 20, 2008 01:36:32 am
      I've heard that DIC will be in charge of Liverpool by next season.
      Hicks will sell his stake to them before this season finishes.

      You heard it hear first  ;)

      I've heard that too Tommo, hope it's true, wasn't sure how much of a rumour it was though, you know how these things can get out of hand :-\
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      Has Anyone Became A Member Of the Sons Of Shankly?
      Reply #22: Mar 11, 2008 06:49:30 pm
      http://www.sonsofshankly.com/

      Has anyone became a member of the Sons Of Shankly on this forum, and is it worth doing so, even if you wont be meeting up with them etc?


      YNWA

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      Reply #23: Mar 11, 2008 07:01:13 pm
      I haven't joined, and have decided not to.  However that is not to say that I do not fully support vast swathes of their aims and suggestions of methods.

      However I don't see why we need to pay £10 to 'join' this group who's shorter term aims include:

      - To institute a functioning structure for the Sons Of Shankly
      and
      - To improve the standard and value of travel arrangements for Liverpool FC’s supporters.

      A committee of 'super-fans' is not high on my agenda - replacing the morons running our club is.
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      Reply #24: Mar 11, 2008 10:14:53 pm
      I haven't joined, and have decided not to.  However that is not to say that I do not fully support vast swathes of their aims and suggestions of methods.

      However I don't see why we need to pay £10 to 'join' this group who's shorter term aims include:

      - To institute a functioning structure for the Sons Of Shankly
      and
      - To improve the standard and value of travel arrangements for Liverpool FC’s supporters.

      A committee of 'super-fans' is not high on my agenda - replacing the morons running our club is.

      Totally agree JD mate, top reply, i think i'll pass for the time being then!

      YNWA

      Matt

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