i couldnt agree more with u dizzy dave! ive got a friend who is a newcastle fan and he always jabbering on about how sh*te crouchie is! iv tried to control myself when it comes to arguing with him about crouche but i always lose my temper! i have explained that crouch will never be a 25goals a season stricker,at that point he always laughs, and i continue to go on and say that he can score around 15-20 goals a season an set up maybe 25-30! but my friend disagrees! then i tell him to put himself in crochies shoes,at that poit he lafs and says that crochies shoes r to big for him, but i continue on to say 'how would u have felt had it been u coming on for your country and the whole crowd shouting freak! and then i say every time crouchie plays he holds the ball upo really well does we flicks or dummies or lays of for stevie and co. or goes himself! still he says hes sh*te! Can anyone help me out on proving him wrong?!