Andrea Dossena (Liverpool to Napoli)

I am still of the opinion that Dosana can do a good job for LFC, o.k so the guy struggled at times but we didn't lose any games because of him, and how many players have a poor first season and yet still come good, a lot, I imagine, but thats normal when swaping the football culture of the Italians for ours, if he has another season here I am willing to bet he'll be on the blogs for the right reasons, at the end of the coming season....

He was terrible the other night barring a couple of crosses in the early part of the second half, I really wonder at times how a top class scout could have recommended him to Liverpool, he is simply not good enough, I was shouting at the screen the other night for Lippi to take him off in case Juv were watching because I can't believe anyone would give us £7 million for this lad, and they more they see him the less likely they will pay it.

Dossena is going to Juventus in a swap deal with Poulsen IMO, my Italian sources have informed me

DOSSENA: NOTHING HAS CHANGED

Andrea Dossena is adamant Sunday's 2-1 defeat to Tottenham Hotspur has not altered Liverpool's target of clinching the Barclays Premier League title this season. 

The Reds slumped to a disappointing opening day loss at White Hart Lane, but the Italian full-back believes it is far too early for anyone to be writing off our championship prospects.
 
"In the first half on Sunday we didn't play with enough intensity and speed," said Dossena. "In the second half we were a bit better but it wasn't enough.
 
"It was a surprise because we didn't expect to start the season with a defeat.
 
"But nothing has changed in terms of our aims for the season. It's the middle of August and there is plenty of time for us to come back from this setback.
 
"We just have to keep working hard on the training pitch."
 
Meanwhile, Dossena has played down speculation linking him with a move away from Anfield - insisting he is happy to remain a Liverpool player.
 
"I've heard a lot of rumours about my future this summer but the truth is I want to remain at Liverpool," he added.
 
"I'm happy with my teammates, with my coach and with the club. I have never wanted to leave."

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165459090818-1001.htm

"...I have never wanted to leave."

Yeah, right.

Didn't he hand in a transfer request?

Anyway.  We need him for cover...

I have never wanted to leave."

So why enter negotiations with Napoli

Rather the 4.3m.

I have never wanted to leave."

Haven't we had a bad enough week as it is without this soft get really disappointing us all.

Merged threads.

Our side might be very lethal with him and Aurelio combine together down the left flank.

Ok I dont want this to be too much of a knee jerk reaction to a great performance he put in against Fiorentina but is there a chance that He and other players like him at the club are being unfairly treated. Can it be more than a fluke that players like himself and Babel as two examples can have amazing performances/goals then be relegated to the bench/reserves for a mediocre match??Admittedly after a few games at left back when he came I had serious doubts about his defensive abilities especially. We paid 7m for him.Then he had recurring injury problems. After this it was pretty much decided hes surplus to requirements.Maybe im crazy but I think hes as good as any of the other true left sided players.

Dossena stats for us to mull over. Been at the club almost a year and a half. In that time in all competitions started only 12 Pl matches including none this season. Hes scored 2 goals in his Liverpool career. He's an italian international(current world champions i might add). Still rated in Italy at least.

At the club we have primarily 4 left sided left footed players including Dossena. The other 3 are Aurelio,Riera,Insua.

Compared to Riera he can play either left back or left wing unlike riera.Goals wise Riera has only four in 30 Pl starts. Dossena has more pace and a sweeter left foot for crosses/corners etc. Attitude wise neither player has been a great example both moaning about not playing yet riera has 3 times the starts. Money wise we can get 8mil+ for Riera and only about 3m for Dossena in the current market.

Compared to Insua hes faster,can score goals,about even defensively at best for Insua,can play both left back and left wing instead of just defense. Hes more experienced and ready to play now instead of being a prospect yet Insua has started 23 PL games in the same amount of time?? Money wise probably have similar value but Dossena would be more desirable for a big club imo.

Compared to Aurelio its much more difficult. Dossena is more attacking minded definitely but not nearly as solid defensively. Aurelio brings the same crossing ability that a sweet left foot does and he is a dead ball specialist. But Aurelio is 30,out of contract in the summer and at moment very injury prone cant string any games together. Money wise Aurelio is only worth a free transfer due to his age and injury history.

All that being considered why the hell has this lad only played a few games and been relegated to the reserves?? All of the above have had shockers Insua already 5-6 this season yet their 'attitude' seems to keep them constantly starting. Imo a fully functioning Dossena gives us a lot more than a fully functioning Insua. Benitez is sayin if the lads keep working hard in training then eventually they'l get an opportunity. i dont think any of these players including Doss are too upset with that idea its not strange in the world of football. the problem is after getting 1 game in 20 matches if u dont set the pitch alight ur sent right back to the reserves yet the Lucas/insuas of this world keep on playing week after week with shockers everywhere.

Consistency I hear u cry. Its a 2 way street.Its difficult enough to get adjusted to new climate,country,food,language etc He was the only italian in the team too. Who believed he would just step right into those circumstances and be viable from day one? How can a player get consistent form with no game time? the reality is not all players can exist on not playing for months over a shocker and then reappear and change games with a 15min sub appearance. At other clubs they use rotation to keep players fresh and competitive which is standard practice nowadays. However we seem to rotating the more talented players on the bench spots while 'grafters' continually start without challenge over work rate!! What about actual contribution since when has that become a dirty word?? Since when has work rate over F***ing ability ever won a league?

Realistically we're probably gonna sell this guy either way now to balance the books. At best hel be replaced with another 5m buy whol be given 5 games to adapt or face 2 seasons on the bench. All of the 5m type bargain players we've bought have had torrid times getting consistent starting berths. Look at Babel,Dossena even Benayoun still has trouble locking down a permanent starting berth in his third season. Players who have made it like Aurelio,Arbeloa are all ex benitez players anyway and we've already lost Arbeloa whose been probably the pick of the bunch after Yossi. The money will probably go into funding a new long term deal for a player and not be used for transfers.

No matter what way u look at it the club/manager/staff have been unable to bargain shop successfully. the players are not developed right bcos they cant all have been poor like crouch,arbeloa,riise,bellamy,finnan,hypia.. we've thrown away talent and replaced with similar players given no time then resold the circle continues. Until we change owners we aint getting the silva/villas/matas of this world so we're just gonna have to at some stage stop this crap about players not fitting in systems etc and realise that we're gonna have to learn to use these types of journeymen/talents more effectively or we can forget CL for many years to come. Other clubs are making great use of these types of players for the money we have to spend .. UTD have Van der sar,Evra,vidic,owen,park,rafael etc a list of average players turned into valued squad members. I believe the players we are getting are just as talented but quite simply we dont have the management structure to use them as effectively.

In conclusion Dossena is probably as useful as O'Shea,Ivanovic or Gibbs but we cant groom him to meet our needs and its easier just to blame him/slag him off then pretend theres no problem and buy another one.We've already changed warnock to finnan to risse to arbeloa. Its gonna have to stop some time. We have enough quality in the starting 11 to be able to have a balance of talent and work which could include players like Dossena used to our best advantage. Is this guy the next Roberto Carlos more than likely not but cant find any reason why he cant be as effective as other squad players at other clubs who stay and are happy. Not taking advantage of these types of players is why we are not winning leagues which demand consistency from proven squad players.

Maybe this lad should be kept.. for our Clubs benefit and no one elses.

He's an italian international(current world champions I might add). Still rated in Italy at least.

Current World Champions means nothing, that was over 3 years ago. A lot changes in 3 years.

I think it is a little bit of a knee-jerk. One good performance and you are rating him highly. Yes, im hoping this maybe means he has turned his game a little and can become a good player for us. But i wouldn't go saying he is untouchable yet.

And bringing Babel up? Seriously. This is a prime example of Babel's problem. Dossena had one chance and showed something that can help the team out. Babel has one game and more often than not fucks up completely.

A reminder that post match talk goes in here please:

http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=25896.0

Current World Champions means nothing, that was over 3 years ago. A lot changes in 3 years.

I think it is a little bit of a knee-jerk. One good performance and you are rating him highly. Yes, im hoping this maybe means he has turned his game a little and can become a good player for us. But I wouldn't go saying he is untouchable yet.

And bringing Babel up? Seriously. This is a prime example of Babel's problem. Dossena had one chance and showed something that can help the team out. Babel has one game and more often than not fucks up completely.

Eh Babel has scored some vitally important goals for the club in big matches against world class opposition. I think theres serious amnesia/selective memory about this board.

As for Dossena havent called him untouchable in fairness and have said it might be a little knee jerk after one fine performance. trying to illustrate that our club seems to be shipping out player after player replaced with the same type with no progress made. At some stage we're gonna haveto develop some of these guys and stop blaming the players. There not all useless its just easier to remove them and pretend theres no problems with player development at the club

Eh Babel has scored some vitally important goals for the club in big matches against world class opposition. I think theres serious amnesia/selective memory about this board.

As for Dossena havent called him untouchable in fairness and have said it might be a little knee jerk after one fine performance. trying to illustrate that our club seems to be shipping out player after player replaced with the same type with no progress made. At some stage we're gonna haveto develop some of these guys and stop blaming the players. There not all useless its just easier to remove them and pretend theres no problems with player development at the club

Yes, selective memory : I choose to select the few times Babel has done something, and compare them to all many the times he has fu**ed up. If that is selective memory, then so be it.

Now, on development. Nothing to do with the game today (RK, hope its ok i post it here. It's about development after all )
I know you have not said untouchable, but the post was close to that kind of theme. Now i don't get what you mean about a problem in player development. What problem is there? Players like Dossena, Voronin etc can not be helped if they simply are not good enough. You can dress sh*t in what ever you want, end of the day it is still sh*t. Now Dossena may have developed a bit this season, which hopefully that is the case. And if he continues to, then hopefully that will be taken into consideration when potential transfers come about.
I don't think there is a problem in player development at the club. Pepe Reina, turning into one of the greatest keepers in the world at Liverpool FC. Martin Skrtel, although having issues, turning into a real gem. Same with Agger, Insua etc. Gerrard has become even better in the last few years, and Torres has become the greatest striker in the world while he is at Liverpool as well. Alonso was no-one till he came to us as well.
Unfortunately the clubs hand is being forced into some sales at the moment, but i don't think development is an issue. Dossena has given plenty of evidence as to why he SHOULD be sold, so one performance won't change much. He needs to show a lot more, for me to be convince. But its promising.

Merged threads.

Which threads did you merge? Did you delete some comments because I remember commenting in this thread?

Which threads did you merge? Did you delete some comments because I remember commenting in this thread?

The 'Doss is Boss!!!' thread was merged into here.

Decent game last night, didn't look off the pace as he sometimes has before.

Can't hurt he seems to have shed a few pounds too eh?

Now, on development. Nothing to do with the game today (RK, hope its ok I post it here. It's about development after all )
I know you have not said untouchable, but the post was close to that kind of theme. Now I don't get what you mean about a problem in player development. What problem is there? Players like Dossena, Voronin etc can not be helped if they simply are not good enough. You can dress sh*t in what ever you want, end of the day it is still sh*t. Now Dossena may have developed a bit this season, which hopefully that is the case. And if he continues to, then hopefully that will be taken into consideration when potential transfers come about.
I don't think there is a problem in player development at the club. Pepe Reina, turning into one of the greatest keepers in the world at Liverpool FC. Martin Skrtel, although having issues, turning into a real gem. Same with Agger, Insua etc. Gerrard has become even better in the last few years, and Torres has become the greatest striker in the world while he is at Liverpool as well. Alonso was no-one till he came to us as well.
Unfortunately the clubs hand is being forced into some sales at the moment, but I don't think development is an issue. Dossena has given plenty of evidence as to why he SHOULD be sold, so one performance won't change much. He needs to show a lot more, for me to be convince. But its promising.

Well reina was at Barcelona but they had valdes too and banono so they sold him off cheap. He wasnt exactly and unknown steal who was nothing. Well then why has Reina developed and not other players answer:played almost every game for 5 seasons straight. As for Agger,Insua,Skrtel dont think they have developed massively at all. Far less impressed with Skrtel than when he joined for 6.5m(cost of vidic now rated as maybe worlds best.) Agger hasnt progressed massively at all still injury problems,6m transfer fee and 60k a week. Insua is young but not exactly gael clichy or ashley cole. at the moment not even John o shea.

As for Alonso we paid 11m for him.He was highly rated as club captain,spain intl and real wanted to buy him for a long time.Up until his breakout season last year we couldnt even get that 11m back for him. His motivation for such an improvement.. getting back at rafa trying to sell him. In case u havent noticed Gerrard and Torres were hardly slouches before Rafa came too. Im not saying certain players havent improved under Rafa but there arent that many of them,the ones that have really grown are the ones who he persists with starting no matter what they contribute. Hes changed 75 players in 5 seasons for gods sakes. If he decides to play u and likes u,he can improve u no doubt. If not he throws 60% of players  away claiming their lack of ability which would be fine if so many hadnt gone on to play better for top different clubs!!

Back to Dossena. 12 Pl starts in a new league in 2 years is very difficult to get an exact judgement on a player. What Dossena did in one knee jerk game I havent seen Insua or Riera do all season tbh. So what im saying is if Dossena has enough ability to make good performances why arent we using him more than our lesser talented(imo) players?? I agree if he gets another shot he has to show more but what if hes sensational for 5 games then one stinker.. is he gonna be dropped back to the reserves unlike insua/kuyt/lucas??

ultimately I dont think its a coincidence that rafa has gone through so many players,discarded them then rebought the same types with the same effects. Lots of clubs around us make these types of players effective but we just dont seem to be able to do it for whatever reason. Fulham,Everton and a few others have had top 7 finishes on the scraps we discard so why we cant blend them with the quality we have is beyond me.

Well reina was at Barcelona but they had valdes too and banono so they sold him off cheap. He wasnt exactly and unknown steal who was nothing. Well then why has Reina developed and not other players answer:played almost every game for 5 seasons straight. As for Agger,Insua,Skrtel dont think they have developed massively at all. Far less impressed with Skrtel than when he joined for 6.5m(cost of vidic now rated as maybe worlds best.) Agger hasnt progressed massively at all still injury problems,6m transfer fee and 60k a week. Insua is young but not exactly gael clichy or ashley cole. at the moment not even John o shea.

As for Alonso we paid 11m for him.He was highly rated as club captain,spain intl and real wanted to buy him for a long time.Up until his breakout season last year we couldnt even get that 11m back for him. His motivation for such an improvement.. getting back at rafa trying to sell him. In case u havent noticed Gerrard and Torres were hardly slouches before Rafa came too. Im not saying certain players havent improved under Rafa but there arent that many of them,the ones that have really grown are the ones who he persists with starting no matter what they contribute. Hes changed 75 players in 5 seasons for gods sakes. If he decides to play u and likes u,he can improve u no doubt. If not he throws 60% of players  away claiming their lack of ability which would be fine if so many hadnt gone on to play better for top different clubs!!

Back to Dossena. 12 Pl starts in a new league in 2 years is very difficult to get an exact judgement on a player. What Dossena did in one knee jerk game I havent seen Insua or Riera do all season tbh. So what im saying is if Dossena has enough ability to make good performances why arent we using him more than our lesser talented(imo) players?? I agree if he gets another shot he has to show more but what if hes sensational for 5 games then one stinker.. is he gonna be dropped back to the reserves unlike insua/kuyt/lucas??

ultimately I dont think its a coincidence that rafa has gone through so many players,discarded them then rebought the same types with the same effects. Lots of clubs around us make these types of players effective but we just dont seem to be able to do it for whatever reason. Fulham,Everton and a few others have had top 7 finishes on the scraps we discard so why we cant blend them with the quality we have is beyond me.

Reading through a few of your posts you highlighted some good points..

Reading through a few of your posts you highlighted some good points..

Some realistically is just banter and opinions but most importantly is Dossenas 1 performance has been better than any of our left sided players so far this season imo. He tracked back,tackled hard,good crosses,didnt lose the ball and all this after 2 months in the reserves in a game that had technically nothing to play for. Just maybe we're wrong about him.. the money will evaporate if we sell,we prob wont resign aurelio,lets at least give him another run before the window opens and see if he can repeat it no?? Surely worth a punt??

Well reina was at Barcelona but they had valdes too and banono so they sold him off cheap. He wasnt exactly and unknown steal who was nothing. Well then why has Reina developed and not other players answer:played almost every game for 5 seasons straight. As for Agger,Insua,Skrtel dont think they have developed massively at all. Far less impressed with Skrtel than when he joined for 6.5m(cost of vidic now rated as maybe worlds best.) Agger hasnt progressed massively at all still injury problems,6m transfer fee and 60k a week. Insua is young but not exactly gael clichy or ashley cole. at the moment not even John o shea.

As for Alonso we paid 11m for him.He was highly rated as club captain,spain intl and real wanted to buy him for a long time.Up until his breakout season last year we couldnt even get that 11m back for him. His motivation for such an improvement.. getting back at rafa trying to sell him. In case u havent noticed Gerrard and Torres were hardly slouches before Rafa came too. Im not saying certain players havent improved under Rafa but there arent that many of them,the ones that have really grown are the ones who he persists with starting no matter what they contribute. Hes changed 75 players in 5 seasons for gods sakes. If he decides to play u and likes u,he can improve u no doubt. If not he throws 60% of players  away claiming their lack of ability which would be fine if so many hadnt gone on to play better for top different clubs!!

Back to Dossena. 12 Pl starts in a new league in 2 years is very difficult to get an exact judgement on a player. What Dossena did in one knee jerk game I havent seen Insua or Riera do all season tbh. So what im saying is if Dossena has enough ability to make good performances why arent we using him more than our lesser talented(imo) players?? I agree if he gets another shot he has to show more but what if hes sensational for 5 games then one stinker.. is he gonna be dropped back to the reserves unlike insua/kuyt/lucas??

ultimately I dont think its a coincidence that rafa has gone through so many players,discarded them then rebought the same types with the same effects. Lots of clubs around us make these types of players effective but we just dont seem to be able to do it for whatever reason. Fulham,Everton and a few others have had top 7 finishes on the scraps we discard so why we cant blend them with the quality we have is beyond me.

Another great post dude. Your taking all the stuff I want to say though, save some for me