Older fans v younger fans

I first saw Liverpool play in 1978, my brother took me to Anfield  and it was not the actual game i remember vividly, but the atmosphere.

When you are young, you want to belong to your older generations world.
Football can do this to you in a way you can never imagine. You are accepted by a family of all ages and ilk.

Now i have watched truly great teams and been spoilt at a young age on football , that , made me feel that this is the norm. At one point in my late teens, i actually believed that we had a right to our success.

Even though i watched team after team , player after player, somehow always come up with the goods. I now know i never really appreciated just how much hard work and planning actually went into maintaining our dominance .

I took it for granted.

After watching our slow and horrible demise ( coupled with our greatest enemies rise)  I started to truly appreciate what we had. But i also grew to appreciate the teams who took over our mantle, without ill feeling.

My partisan hatred of rival teams started to mellow, and i saw more and more faults in the poor quality players who played for our club.

I never rated Rafa Benitez and got slated by a lot of my friends for saying it. I especially got slated by younger fans who, IMO, had grown sick of hearing older talk of European glory without having any stories of their own .

Now, THEY, had one of the greatest European stories in history and Rafa had gave it to them. He was a god.

Yet i found that later, a lot of older fans were being slated for saying we were lucky , or that although it was a great result, A poor team had got extremely lucky.
Having watched truly great players , i am surprised at how some younger fans  think average players should be awarded hero status for nothing more than running around alot.

Is this a case of older fans standards being to high, or younger fans desperate to have their own heroes , building mediocre players up above their station?

I never rated Rafa Benitez and got slated by a lot of my friends for saying it. I especially got slated by younger fans who, IMO, had grown sick of hearing older talk of European glory without having any stories of their own .

Now, THEY, had one of the greatest European stories in history and Rafa had gave it to them. He was a god.

That's all very well, but just a word of warning to the anti-Rodgers brigade - for those who wanted Rafa out, well they sure got their wish.

And then in came Hodgson.

So if you want the same for Brendan, be very careful for what you wish for. Like I said, apart from Klopp, there's no other stand out option - and of course, there's no guarantee Klopp would want to come.

I don't buy into all this old fans v young fans debate - we've seen plenty of that bullshit on this forum as it is. Football is already tribal enough as it is without some bullshitters dividing supporters of the same club, I mean come on, its not some political party. Fans who belittle any achievement in the clubs history aren't fans of the club. We all want the same for Liverpool FC - we may have different ideas about how to do it, but at the end of the day, we all want Liverpool back to the top of the perch. But for fans to have a problem with success - that really is the height of WUMmery.

Interesting call, Littleface my friend.  Sounds like you and I are of a similar vintage.

I agree with much of what you say.  Seems like all you need to do to be a 'genius', a 'legend' or a 'hero' these days is to put in a shift that gets noticed by the pundits on MOTD, or to score one fancy goal in a big televised game.  Rather than the younger generation of LFC fans, I would blame the shameless marketing of the Prem and football in general, which skews everything out of proportion and creates gods from false idols, in whose name the innocent and the gullible are drawn to squander their hard earned cash at the alter of fandom. 

In an age of ruthless and hollow commercialisation of everything that once had real substance, the modern fan is no longer a sound connoisseur of heart, soul, courage and footballing expertise, but a sacrificial lamb whose bleeding wallet only feeds the empty mythology and who is then helplessly embroiled in the maelstrom of utter toss that passes as sound judgement in so much discussion of our game and our club.  We are doomed to trot out the same platitudes and clichés, the same 3rd hand opinions, as our masters in the Media.  For they are the new gods and the temple of Bill Shankly et al has been smited.  Only the True Supporter can save us now.  Thus endeth the lesson.   

A poor team had got extremely lucky? Erm...when you come back from 3-0 down against one of the best sides in Europe, luck doesn't come into it.

I don't know who these 'older fans' you talk of are but they are sure as hell are complete 110% bullshitters. You sure you're not hanging out with Chelsea fans littleface?

I mean really, the shitstream that comes out of peoples thinking is uber incredible. I'm off to bed - not entertaining sh*te like that. Belittling the greatest night this club and indeed I have ever had? No Siree f**king Bob.

He blasphemes!

This thread should be titled Legitimate Fans vs. WUMs and anyone who's been active knows exactly what side you (and your most likely completely false tale) fall on.

Pretty sure that any actual fan of our club was absolutely equally elated for all of the finals that they were fortunate enough to witness in real time regardless of age or dynasty. Honestly doubt you actually were there for that though.

This actually occurring battle that I speak of, fans vs. WUMs, has been fought far too much lately.

We could have

older fans vs. younger
Scouse vs. English
English vs. rest of world
Old English vs. youger vs rest of world

Or we could just all be Liverpool supporters.

Another divisive post, though not surprised considering where it came from

In the words of Aubrey Plaza;

"F**k you old people."

Went to my first match in the 70's but we haven't got the coaching staff (scouts too) we had at that point in time, we aren't entitled to anything but should expect the club to do everything in their power to get us there again.
Don't get the old v young or it's Rafa's fault.
Different era and I'm not going to act like a spoilt juvenile geriatric brat on here having digs all the time just because the team were kings once.
I get pissed off but overall all we can do is go with the flow and see how it works out.

I first saw Liverpool play in 1978, my brother took me to Anfield  and it was not the actual game i remember vividly, but the atmosphere.

When you are young, you want to belong to your older generations world.
Football can do this to you in a way you can never imagine. You are accepted by a family of all ages and ilk.

Now i have watched truly great teams and been spoilt at a young age on football , that , made me feel that this is the norm. At one point in my late teens, i actually believed that we had a right to our success.

Even though i watched team after team , player after player, somehow always come up with the goods. I now know i never really appreciated just how much hard work and planning actually went into maintaining our dominance .

I took it for granted.

After watching our slow and horrible demise ( coupled with our greatest enemies rise)  I started to truly appreciate what we had. But i also grew to appreciate the teams who took over our mantle, without ill feeling.

My partisan hatred of rival teams started to mellow, and i saw more and more faults in the poor quality players who played for our club.

I never rated Rafa Benitez and got slated by a lot of my friends for saying it. I especially got slated by younger fans who, IMO, had grown sick of hearing older talk of European glory without having any stories of their own .

Now, THEY, had one of the greatest European stories in history and Rafa had gave it to them. He was a god.

Yet i found that later, a lot of older fans were being slated for saying we were lucky , or that although it was a great result, A poor team had got extremely lucky.
Having watched truly great players , i am surprised at how some younger fans  think average players should be awarded hero status for nothing more than running around alot.

Is this a case of older fans standards being to high, or younger fans desperate to have their own heroes , building mediocre players up above their station?

A team is extremely lucky if it plays sh*t but scores a rather odd goal or a referee makes a wrong decision (wrong offside,wrong penalty).


Liverpool 3 - 3 AC Milan 2005 UEFA Champions league final.

Liverpool is down by 3 goals at half time.

Second half starts.

Gerrard scores a tremendous goal with a header - luck? I guess not.

Then Smicer scores another screamer against Dida - luck? I guess not.

Liverpool gets a penalty - Wrong decision by Ref? No,therefore luck can be cancelled out again.

After that everyone raised there bar which they should as they have themselves reached the CL final bar any luck playing against the worlds best team at that time.

You never rated Rafa.A manager who in his first season had won us the CL cup against the World XI and FA cup the next whilst also securing a CL place every year bar last.

A manager who took us to top rank in European rankings.

A manager having a fairly less budget compared to its rivals assembled a first XI as strong as any other team in Europe which included the likes of Reina,Arbeloa,Alonso,Torres,Mashcerano,Aurelio,Kuyt,Agger(only included his own buys).

A manager who fought for the club and the fans against Hicks and Gillet.

A manager who was probably the only one that got under the nose of Fergie.

The list goes on and on.

Fair Dinkum,I believe you are a genuine supporter rather than a troll 
 

This thread should be titled Legitimate Fans vs. WUMs and anyone who's been active knows exactly what side you (and your most likely completely false tale) fall on.

Pretty sure that any actual fan of our club was absolutely equally elated for all of the finals that they were fortunate enough to witness in real time regardless of age or dynasty. Honestly doubt you actually were there for that though.

This actually occurring battle that I speak of, fans vs. WUMs, has been fought far too much lately.

But both older and younger fans can also be both "legitimate and WUM" fans.. lolol


Its just another mind set that allows one set of fans to dissociate themselves from other fans..


To a WUM, you yourself is a WUM..lolo.. Your opinion can place you in either group at any time.. lolol
 

sh*te thread...........there is only LFC Fans.......

What a deliberately divisive topic, trying to cause division where none is needed or exists. Whilst we may have differing opinions, we all want Liverpool FC to be successful.

I thought it was a good post by Face, +1, he's simply stating his opinion, no need to go into a brawl with Face, eventhough I don't quite agree with the Rafa part.

"Is this a case of older fans standards being to high," .....

It is indeed because we have seen what the teams can do through the 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s and 2010s.   

I'm 24, been watching Liverpool for 16 years because my father had me watch lfc games at 8 years old, I only watched live game at Anfield once; I'm Maltese; not English; not a scouser;

BUT F**k no! Noone will ever try to tell me I'm not a real Liverpool fan and supporter because I'm young or I'm not from Liverpool.

sh*t thread!

I first saw Liverpool play in 1978, my brother took me to Anfield  and it was not the actual game i remember vividly, but the atmosphere.

When you are young, you want to belong to your older generations world.
Football can do this to you in a way you can never imagine. You are accepted by a family of all ages and ilk.

Now i have watched truly great teams and been spoilt at a young age on football , that , made me feel that this is the norm. At one point in my late teens, i actually believed that we had a right to our success.

So you're really a Manc ?

I never rated Rafa Benitez and got slated by a lot of my friends for saying it.

Defo Manc, they didn't rate Benitez either.

I never rated Rafa Benitez and got slated by a lot of my friends for saying it. I especially got slated by younger fans who, IMO, had grown sick of hearing older talk of European glory without having any stories of their own .

Yet i found that later, a lot of older fans were being slated for saying we were lucky , or that although it was a great result, A poor team had got extremely lucky.

Having watched truly great players , i am surprised at how some younger fans  think average players should be awarded hero status for nothing more than running around alot.

Is this a case of older fans standards being to high, or younger fans desperate to have their own heroes , building mediocre players up above their station?

First of all, I don't think it's the best thread ever created. Many people will and have seen it as a way to divide the fan-base instead of thinking of it as a whole.

Why did you never rate Rafa? That seems a strange thing considering the team he assembled, the fact that he lead us to a Champions League title in his first season, won the FA Cup in his second and won La Liga twice in a row (beating off Barcelona and Real Madrid etc. To not rate somebody with such achievements in the slightest is crazy.

How did we get extremely lucky in the Champions League? Luck plays in a part in any achievement but only a little, the best team always wins in the end. We played some of the best - if not the actual best - teams in Europe and conquered them all. We dominated Leverkusen, beat Juventus who had: Ibrahimovic, Cannavaro, Buffon, Chiellini, Thuram, Nedved, Camoranesi and Trezeguet, beat Chelsea who were spending big at the time and came back against a Milan team consisting of: Dida, Cafu, Stam, Nest, Maldini, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka, Crespo and Shevchenko. That team was literally unreal. You don't beat them with just luck. You ignore determination, team work, grit, work rate, passion etc. etc.

I genuinely don't think I want to answer that last point of yours. I consider myself a younger fan, been a fan since I was 5 (19 years) and I don't think I build many players up above their 'station'. I have high hopes for certain players and expect them to reach certain levels or goals and I'm sure that's the same for these other younger fans.

What about the fans who grew up in the 50s when we were a second division side? Do they think, F***ing hell we're doing some great sh*t right now because they saw us at our lowest?

I first saw Liverpool play in 1978, my brother took me to Anfield

Congratulations. Not all of us were fortunate enough to be born in that time period, it's not something we can alter.

and it was not the actual game i remember vividly, but the atmosphere.

My first game was in 95 and the atmosphere was just as good as anything in the 70s/80s.

When you are young, you want to belong to your older generations world.

No you don't. Most young people actually rebel against their elders, that's how life evolves.

Football can do this to you in a way you can never imagine. You are accepted by a family of all ages and ilk.

Surely this entire thread is the opposite of this sentence. You're saying we're all accepted regardless of our age, yet you're questioning whether young fans understand the game as well as older fans.

Now i have watched truly great teams and been spoilt at a young age on football , that , made me feel that this is the norm.

That's because it was the norm. "I've been here during the bad times too, we came second once." Wembley was affectionately known as Anfield South. Winning trophies was the norm for this club.

At one point in my late teens, i actually believed that we had a right to our success.

That's just daft. Nobody has a right to anything, they have to work for it and that's what was installed into the club's fabric.

Even though i watched team after team , player after player, somehow always come up with the goods. I now know i never really appreciated just how much hard work and planning actually went into maintaining our dominance .

You just assumed we turned up without prior work?

After watching our slow and horrible demise ( coupled with our greatest enemies rise)

When did Everton rise?

I started to truly appreciate what we had. But i also grew to appreciate the teams who took over our mantle, without ill feeling.

Taken what mantle? We're still the greatest club in the world, we're still the most successful club in England so what mantle have they taken?

My partisan hatred of rival teams started to mellow, and i saw more and more faults in the poor quality players who played for our club.

So you paid more attention to Liverpool than other teams, well F***ing done. That's what a Liverpool fan should be doing.

I never rated Rafa Benitez and got slated by a lot of my friends for saying it.

Well that's plainly obvious why.

I especially got slated by younger fans who, IMO, had grown sick of hearing older talk of European glory without having any stories of their own .

Well that's a load of bollocks because we did have European stories, even before Rafa arrived. There was the joy of 2001 for starters, telling tales of beating Roma, Porto, Barcelona and the final against Alaves. There's the night Gerard Houllier returned to the dugout in 2002 against Roma, one of the all-time great atmospheres in Anfield history. The complete F**k up against Leverkusen in the same year. The heartache of Basel in 03. The 6-3 against Sion in 96, which still ranks as one of my best European nights. So we did have stories to tell.

Rafa Benitez simply gave us more stories to tell.

As for growing sick of hearing of those from yesteryear, I don't know any fan who gets sick of hearing about our successes. I love hearing those stories.

Now, THEY, had one of the greatest European stories in history and Rafa had gave it to them. He was a god.

We had THE greatest European story.

But Rafa Benitez didn't give us to us, Liverpool Football Club did. We were all in it together. Rafa set us up, the players put his plans into action and the fans enjoyed it along the way.

Yet i found that later, a lot of older fans were being slated for saying we were lucky , or that although it was a great result, A poor team had got extremely lucky.

Don't be so F***ing stupid.

I know many fans who've been going the game from the 60s onwards and they've never said we were lucky, rather they talk about us winning our 5th European Cup. And this poor team, doesn't get lucky 15 times which is the amount of games we played in Europe that season. We won because we deserved to.

Having watched truly great players , i am surprised at how some younger fans  think average players should be awarded hero status for nothing more than running around alot.

Sammy Lee is a hero and he'll be the first to admit his job was just to run round. When we played Bayern Munich in the 81 European Cup semi, Sammy's job was solely to run after Rummenigge and the German hardly got a kick over two legs because of it. So it's not just "younger" fans who give hero status to players who just a lot.

Also, a lot of "older" fans consider some of these modern day players who "run around a lot" to be heroes as well.

Is this a case of older fans standards being to high, or younger fans desperate to have their own heroes , building mediocre players up above their station?

It's a case of Liverpool fans supporting their F***ing club. Like we did in the 1800s right through to the modern day.

I genuinely don't think I want to answer that last point of yours. I consider myself a younger fan, been a fan since I was 5 (19 years) and I don't think I build many players up above their 'station'. I have high hopes for certain players and expect them to reach certain levels or goals and I'm sure that's the same for these other younger fans.

As a younger fan you will have seen Istanbul and the "Gerrard" FA Cup final .You will have seen us climb to Number one in Europe not sure how much different that was to 77 or 78 the difference may have been those team were developed from about 73 so I think this thread is a load of Manc bollox. 9 or 90 the passion is the same

But both older and younger fans can also be both "legitimate and WUM" fans.. lolol


Its just another mind set that allows one set of fans to dissociate themselves from other fans..


To a WUM, you yourself is a WUM..lolo.. Your opinion can place you in either group at any time.. lolol

Too philosophical for me that one. It's like WUMception... 

well after today the younger fans are going to age considerably quicker than the older ones

I always have interesting debates about 'best' Liverpool teams with older lads. It's very hard because obviously the more modern players are 'better' realistically mainly due to advances in training and the equipment they use can even make them look better. Most of the time though we find a happy medium and that's why I think you're right, there are older fans and younger fans, of course there are. Don't really like the "THERE ARE ONLY LIVERPOOL FANS"... How dare he acknowledge age? Seriously come on. Now his Benitez stuff is pure gaff and I don't know what he means, but he's well within his rights to say there are older and younger fans.

Now... The way I look at it is different maybe? But I think we need to acknowledge this 'age gap' because without the older fans I certainly wouldn't have known as much about the legends of the club. And not just the ones like Kenny that everyone knows about, the legends like Jimmy Case and Jan Molby who I may not have come to love so much without the older fans. And the younger fans like myself are here to make sure no one picks Rush over Suarez in their dream teams .

Yes we did get our wish. The days of losing at Wigan and Portsmouth had to stop. In came wins at home to Chelsea, a feat rendered completely impossible just 6 months earlier. We even managed a routine home win against Aston Villa, where we were thrashed the previous season, and a Herculean task nowadays.

The European group was wrapped up with a game to spare, compared to going out of the European Cup the previous year with a game to spare. It's the only time I've ever seen calls for someone to be fired on the same night as winning a European group.

No I wouldn't have him back. But then I wouldn't have the bloke he replaced back either. He had 6 years to win a league spending a zillion quid on superstars, Hodgson had 6 months spending peanuts on superduds. But their failure to bring it home is one of the few things they share here.

So this is how your brain works.

Oh look someone defending Rafa!
I better have my old rants ready.

What a sh*t thread!

So we were lucky beating the Champions of England and the Champions of Italy en-route.

And it's thanks to Littleface we got shut of Rafa for the F***ing owl.

Cheers lid!! You sure you're not Christian Purslow?

That's all very well, but just a word of warning to the anti-Rodgers brigade - for those who wanted Rafa out, well they sure got their wish.

And then in came Hodgson.

Yes we did get our wish. The days of losing at Wigan and Portsmouth had to stop. In came wins at home to Chelsea, a feat rendered completely impossible just 6 months earlier. We even managed a routine home win against Aston Villa, where we were thrashed the previous season, and a Herculean task nowadays.

The European group was wrapped up with a game to spare, compared to going out of the European Cup the previous year with a game to spare. It's the only time I've ever seen calls for someone to be fired on the same night as winning a European group.

No I wouldn't have him back. But then I wouldn't have the bloke he replaced back either. He had 6 years to win a league spending a zillion quid on superstars, Hodgson had 6 months spending peanuts on superduds. But their failure to bring it home is one of the few things they share here.

Yes we did get our wish. The days of losing at Wigan and Portsmouth had to stop. In came wins at home to Chelsea, a feat rendered completely impossible just 6 months earlier. We even managed a routine home win against Aston Villa, where we were thrashed the previous season, and a Herculean task nowadays.

The European group was wrapped up with a game to spare, compared to going out of the European Cup the previous year with a game to spare. It's the only time I've ever seen calls for someone to be fired on the same night as winning a European group.

No I wouldn't have him back. But then I wouldn't have the bloke he replaced back either. He had 6 years to win a league spending a zillion quid on superstars, Hodgson had 6 months spending peanuts on superduds. But their failure to bring it home is one of the few things they share here.

Ah well maybe if we had been a bit more patient like United's fans were, it may well have paid off in the end.

You know just like it did in the end in 1993 when Ferguson finally did it after seven years!

Love how 5 and 6 years seem to be the timescale for F***ing a manager off.

I first saw Liverpool play in 1978, my brother took me to Anfield  and it was not the actual game i remember vividly, but the atmosphere.

Nothing personal mate but the way you post on here and the style you use I always thought you were a teenager.

No offense to some of the young ones we have on here either by the way but I'm sure you get my drift.

Love how 5 and 6 years seem to be the timescale for f**king a manager off.

Brendan wishes that was the case right now. He'd love to make it here that long.

Nothing personal mate but the way you post on here and the style you use I always thought you were a teenager.

No offense to some of the young ones we have on here either by the way but I'm sure you get my drift.

Well he very well could be a teenager...he also may not have been to the game he claims in 1978...unless anyone on this forum knows him personally it could all just be a made up story.

Just like I might not really be from Florida...but none of you would know unless you came to visit

I preferred it when the European Cup was a 2 leg knock out competition and you got 2 points for a win in the league, oh and while your at it...you could pass back to your goalie...
The magic sponge was in use then and players got up and got on with it, non of this theatricals...

My dad still to this day reckons he's seen no one better at Anfield in a red shirt than Peter Thompson....

Well he very well could be a teenager...he also may not have been to the game he claims in 1978...unless anyone on this forum knows him personally it could all just be a made up story.

Just like I might not really be from Florida...but none of you would know unless you came to visit

That an invite then mate?

My missus is always asking when were going to Florida.

That an invite then mate?

My missus is always asking when were going to Florida.

Not many extra beds Si, but I'd be happy to play host and show you around!

Airport code is RSW Just give me a couple weeks heads up!

Well, good to see that at least a couple of you got what i was trying to do. Although i just loved the way the " tiny mind brigade " rushed out and, took a thread that is about PERSPECTIVE, as some sort of assault on their status as a  LIVERPOOL fan.

Age and experience will shape your perspective on all matters in life , including football. I cannot believe that fans view football the same way at the age of , say 55, as they did when they were 20. These are the contrasts i am speaking about.

Trying to create division? No. We are all LIVERPOOL fans , but we are certainly not the same. And why would we be?

Ah yes, i don' t rate Rafa , not everyone did. Get over it. If you want to rate Rafa till you are red in the face , by all means, be my guest. ( in fact, i think a few of you do )

Nothing personal mate but the way you post on here and the style you use I always thought you were a teenager.

No offense to some of the young ones we have on here either by the way but I'm sure you get my drift.

A teenager ? i wish. What pattern do teenagers posts take?

As an older fan of Liverpool, I am sure I speak for many when I find performances of the side unacceptable, last season and so far this season. Apart from the season when we finished runners up, this has gone on for far too long and something needs to change very quickly to stop the club sliding into further decline.

I'm 24, been watching Liverpool for 16 years because my father had me watch lfc games at 8 years old, I only watched live game at Anfield once; I'm Maltese; not English; not a scouser;

BUT f**k no! Noone will ever try to tell me I'm not a real Liverpool fan and supporter because I'm young or I'm not from Liverpool.

Sh*t thread!

I'm curious , but just who did?

What about the fans who grew up in the 50s when we were a second division side? Do they think, f**king hell we're doing some great sh*t right now because they saw us at our lowest?

Congratulations. Not all of us were fortunate enough to be born in that time period, it's not something we can alter.

My first game was in 95 and the atmosphere was just as good as anything in the 70s/80s.

No you don't. Most young people actually rebel against their elders, that's how life evolves.

Surely this entire thread is the opposite of this sentence. You're saying we're all accepted regardless of our age, yet you're questioning whether young fans understand the game as well as older fans.

That's because it was the norm. "I've been here during the bad times too, we came second once." Wembley was affectionately known as Anfield South. Winning trophies was the norm for this club.

That's just daft. Nobody has a right to anything, they have to work for it and that's what was installed into the club's fabric.

You just assumed we turned up without prior work?

When did Everton rise?

Taken what mantle? We're still the greatest club in the world, we're still the most successful club in England so what mantle have they taken?

So you paid more attention to Liverpool than other teams, well f**king done. That's what a Liverpool fan should be doing.

Well that's plainly obvious why.

Well that's a load of bollocks because we did have European stories, even before Rafa arrived. There was the joy of 2001 for starters, telling tales of beating Roma, Porto, Barcelona and the final against Alaves. There's the night Gerard Houllier returned to the dugout in 2002 against Roma, one of the all-time great atmospheres in Anfield history. The complete f**k up against Leverkusen in the same year. The heartache of Basel in 03. The 6-3 against Sion in 96, which still ranks as one of my best European nights. So we did have stories to tell.

Rafa Benitez simply gave us more stories to tell.

As for growing sick of hearing of those from yesteryear, I don't know any fan who gets sick of hearing about our successes. I love hearing those stories.

We had THE greatest European story.

But Rafa Benitez didn't give us to us, Liverpool Football Club did. We were all in it together. Rafa set us up, the players put his plans into action and the fans enjoyed it along the way.

Don't be so f**king stupid.

I know many fans who've been going the game from the 60s onwards and they've never said we were lucky, rather they talk about us winning our 5th European Cup. And this poor team, doesn't get lucky 15 times which is the amount of games we played in Europe that season. We won because we deserved to.

Sammy Lee is a hero and he'll be the first to admit his job was just to run round. When we played Bayern Munich in the 81 European Cup semi, Sammy's job was solely to run after Rummenigge and the German hardly got a kick over two legs because of it. So it's not just "younger" fans who give hero status to players who just a lot.

Also, a lot of "older" fans consider some of these modern day players who "run around a lot" to be heroes as well.

It's a case of Liverpool fans supporting their f**king club. Like we did in the 1800s right through to the modern day.

I have to say , that i shall cherish this post for a long time. A wonderfully , misguided and totally misconstrued overreaction  to anything i 've seen on this forum.
Beautifully put together mind you. I'm willing to guess that you get offended if someone change's the TV channel in your house.

Well he very well could be a teenager...he also may not have been to the game he claims in 1978...unless anyone on this forum knows him personally it could all just be a made up story.

Just like I might not really be from Florida...but none of you would know unless you came to visit

I went to Florida for my honeymoon .
Or did i?

I'm curious , but just who did?

I was reading between the lines.

Well, good to see that at least a couple of you got what i was trying to do. Although i just loved the way the " tiny mind brigade " rushed out and, took a thread that is about PERSPECTIVE, as some sort of assault on their status as a  LIVERPOOL fan.

Age and experience will shape your perspective on all matters in life , including football. I cannot believe that fans view football the same way at the age of , say 55, as they did when they were 20. These are the contrasts i am speaking about.

Trying to create division? No. We are all LIVERPOOL fans , but we are certainly not the same. And why would we be?

Ah yes, i don' t rate Rafa , not everyone did. Get over it. If you want to rate Rafa till you are red in the face , by all means, be my guest. ( in fact, i think a few of you do )

Don't take everything you read too seriously! Dark times, dark humour and all that!!

Yeah some of us are just having a laugh little face, chill man...

You've opened yourself up for a bit of stick having a forum name like little face if you ask me..

The title of the thread suggests its a poll of some kind between older fans and younger fans and who is the most loyal..

I'm 51 now, my brother 3 years younger and my dad 73, all have LFC in our DNA and will never change..
Me n my Bro have passed that DNA on to our kids and they are just as passionate as we were in the late 70's and 80's...

The only thing i'll say is that back then we didn't have mobile phones, internet, sky tv, face tube, twitter etc.. without sounding like Victor Meldrew we just had our weekly visit to Anfield, Saint n Greavsie,Soccer annual,  The Big Match and the Echo Pull outs when we
won a trophy...
Not a lot to deflect your train of thought away from the last performance apart from a game down the local park with all your mates..

The younger fans of today can, and will switch off, once the ref blows the final whistle and turn their entertainment to a gadget or device of some kind and melt what pain they felt, after that defeat, away..

That is not patronising at all, it's an observation mate, my two lads and many more do it every week.

I watched the game yesterday with my eldest lad who is 16 and a red since he could kick a ball..at the final whistle he just left the room went straight on Facebook and then went out with his mates, came back , had his tea then spent 4 hours on GTA on line laughing an joking..
I'm still very numb and have had to go to the off license again for more Rum.

Yeah some of us are just having a laugh little face, chill man...

You've opened yourself up for a bit of stick having a forum name like little face if you ask me..

The title of the thread suggests its a poll of some kind between older fans and younger fans and who is the most loyal..

I'm 51 now, my brother 3 years younger and my dad 73, all have LFC in our DNA and will never change..
Me n my Bro have passed that DNA on to our kids and they are just as passionate as we were in the late 70's and 80's...

The only thing i'll say is that back then we didn't have mobile phones, internet, sky tv, face tube, twitter etc.. without sounding like Victor Meldrew we just had our weekly visit to Anfield, Saint n Greavsie,Soccer annual,  The Big Match and the Echo Pull outs when we
won a trophy...
Not a lot to deflect your train of thought away from the last performance apart from a game down the local park with all your mates..

The younger fans of today can, and will switch off, once the ref blows the final whistle and turn their entertainment to a gadget or device of some kind and melt what pain they felt, after that defeat, away..

That is not patronising at all, it's an observation mate, my two lads and many more do it every week.

I watched the game yesterday with my eldest lad who is 16 and a red since he could kick a ball..at the final whistle he just left the room went straight on Facebook and then went out with his mates, came back , had his tea then spent 4 hours on GTA on line laughing an joking..
I'm still very numb and have had to go to the off license again for more Rum.

If only you knew where the name LITTLEFACE comes from!!. But thats a different story.
Your post is quite simply one of the answers i was looking for. When i was young , you took only what you had just seen at the game .Plus the newspaper report , to assess what you had just watched.

Today , fans have 24 hr replays , phone ins, forums and social media immediately after a game. surely this must distort anyones train of thought.

I certainly do not see football the way i saw it in my teens. I don't have the hatred of rivals any more. I'm still obviously tribal when we play ,but; i tend to enjoy great football no matter what colour the team is wearing.

When it comes to LIVERPOOL i still judge teams and players on what i saw in my youth. I make no apology for this as, it is just human nature.

My point of the thread is , how the younger fan gauge their judgement of a team and player whilst having witnessed only barren spells in league football

My point of the thread is , how the younger fan gauge their judgement of a team and player whilst having witnessed only barren spells in league football

I imagine they judge them the same way that you or I did when we were younger, by watching them and making their own mind up.

As you say football is everywhere nowadays but I'd like to think that younger fans- to whatever their level of understanding is- make up their own minds about what they watch no matter if some lid on sky sports news try's to tell them differently.

When I was younger it was just going to the match rather than having all the modern day access to the game but you still had mates with opposing views or your auld fella and his mates giving their opinion, but for the most part I made my own view on what I saw, I'd like to think even though it's more widely accessible it's still the same

ive mellowed over the years in terms of hatred too, I still want us to batter the blues or the mancs and still go for the banter but my outright hatred has stemmed a little..

I don't watch much footy apart from our lot though, I don't have the time or the real inclination. I remember as a kid it being all about the match, that unbridled joy and anticipation of that 90 mins.. it's different as you get older, it conjures different feelings.

But surely how a fan judges a player is still subjective? Through their eyes and of their opinion no matter their age or that there is coverage everywhere now

Well he very well could be a teenager...he also may not have been to the game he claims in 1978...unless anyone on this forum knows him personally it could all just be a made up story.

Just like I might not really be from Florida...but none of you would know unless you came to visit

I kinda hope you're not from Florida, at least once a week I seem to hear a new way a Floridian has tried to win a Darwin Award, so much so, that on another forum I use, Floridian Man has become a synonym for idiot yokel.  No offence intended FL, in fact my best wishes, because one of them might be your neighbour.

There's been a hurricane brewing over Florida hasn't there?..
Hope your life is still in one piece matey...

I kinda hope you're not from Florida, at least once a week I seem to hear a new way a Floridian has tried to win a Darwin Award, so much so, that on another forum I use, Floridian Man has become a synonym for idiot yokel.  No offence intended FL, in fact my best wishes, because one of them might be your neighbour.

Oh there's a few floating around that's for sure....Florida is a well known haven for some of the backward, outcast types of society.

Salty ocean air cures most of what ails a person though so one day they'll plant me here in the sand somewhere.

If only you knew where the name LITTLEFACE comes from!!. 

Dick Tracy?

Yet i found that later, a lot of older fans were being slated for saying we were lucky , or that although it was a great result, A poor team had got extremely lucky.

Most old people are miserable old farts and are increasingly more likely to vote Tory so it's probably more of an old v young idealism thing and not really related to football.

Yes Liverpool were amazing when I was kid and yes Liverpool are pretty average at the minute.

We 'slightly' older fans were lucky - when we were young Liverpool was a football club with the sole aim of winning trophies.  Today's teenagers and fellas in their twenties see a company determined to get as much money from them in ticket sales, tours, merchandising and leveraging their facebook likes and retweets to make themselves more attractive to commercial sponsorship.

The club quite clearly isn't run anymore with the intention of being dominant on the pitch.  I don't think many people young, old, ancient would disagree with that.

It is what it is.

I have a lot of respect for young fans today, the temptation to support the City's and Chelsea's of the world must be considerable.
That said the young kids tend to take too much notice of sensational headlines, and lap up Sky sports news like it's gospel.

That said the young kids tend to take too much notice of sensational headlines, and lap up Sky sports news like it's gospel.

They do but I know plenty of thirty something's like myself who are just as bad.

They do but I know plenty of thirty something's like myself who are just as bad.

You are only in your thirties? I thought you were an old man j/k


I'm a bit of a conundrum because while falling into the older category (I'm 40), I've only been a Liverpool supporter for about 10 years or so I guess and I suppose the first few years, I had no clue about football and no clue about the history of the club. I've learned a lot in that time and maybe some of my patience is due to the fact that while I know about the glory days, I didn't really fully experience them....so I don't have those vivid memories like a lot of the older fans do. I'm jealous of the way that guys like Walton talk about the old days, it had to be amazing to be a supporter during that glory era.

On the other hand, the only other team (Dallas) that I vehemently support is in the NFL and their history of winning is reasonably similar to Liverpool in that they are one of the all time winningest teams, but have been on quite a drought for the last 20 years or so, coming close last year, but not quite able to get over the hump. So as a Liverpool supporter I'm fairly patient...as a Dallas supporter, I'm not patient at all and I have an extreme sense of urgency. So I can appreciate both sides and I understand what a lot of the older fans are going through.

Not sure what the point of my post was other than to make fun of Si

You are only in your thirties? I thought you were an old man j/k

Wise beyond my years my friend.

Wise beyond my years my friend.

I'm just wrinkled beyond mine.

I'm just wrinkled beyond mine.

Aye, your balls nearly scrape the floor.

Aye, your balls nearly scrape the floor.

It'd take that as a compliment Rodders.

Most old people are miserable old farts and are increasingly more likely to vote Tory so it's probably more of an old v young idealism thing and not really related to football.

Yes Liverpool were amazing when I was kid and yes Liverpool are pretty average at the minute.

We 'slightly' older fans were lucky - when we were young Liverpool was a football club with the sole aim of winning trophies.  Today's teenagers and fellas in their twenties see a company determined to get as much money from them in ticket sales, tours, merchandising and leveraging their facebook likes and retweets to make themselves more attractive to commercial sponsorship.

The club quite clearly isn't run anymore with the intention of being dominant on the pitch.  I don't think many people young, old, ancient would disagree with that.

It is what it is.

I think the most different aspect of my attitude as a Liverpool supporter now is.
When i was young, i worshipped the players at our club. Especially Souness and obviously Kenny. But Souness did everything i wanted him to do for our team.
Fearless, A true leader, F***ing fantastic footballer and was never, ever intimated. But i was a child and he was a grown man.

Now, i just see players as exactly what they are, football players. I don't care what they do in their private lives, or what their favourite food is. I just don't care about them personally whatsoever.

I hate the phrase " fantastic servant to the club" .
I know of no servants on £150,000 a week.
I think i am a pretty good judge of a player, not everyone else does, but i will go off a player very quickly if i don't rate him early on. The same with a manager.
So i think it has been my patience that has been eroded away over the years, along with the connection i felt i had with the players who ran out for my
team.

Jus for the record, I was first taken to Anfield as a four year old in 1956, by my Grandad, who had supported Liverpool for most of his life.
When we conceded the third in istanbul, I turned to my son, who was 27 at the time, and said, Dan, don't think well come back from this mate, but stranger things have happened. I turned and saw the tears in his eyes. when Xabi put the third in, we shouted, jumped and hollered at anyone in hearing distance, and went totally crazy.  Then I said fukcin hell, we're gonna win this, they must be mentally wrecked. Didn't expect it to go to pens though, thought wed go on and win inside 90.
I was 53 at the time, so old and young, all the same if you're a real Liverpool fan.

I can remember when Ipswich Town had a "Foreign" player.. Arnold Muhren he was...
Foreign players?! "they'll never make it over here" me grandad said....

Then we signed Jan Molby and I thought "Jesus Christ.. he's a monster"   

I can remember when Ipswich Town had a "Foreign" player.. Arnold Muhren he was...
Foreign players?! "they'll never make it over here" me grandad said....

Then we signed Jan Molby and I thought "Jesus Christ.. he's a monster"   

If you read the "your brush with players"
You will read when me and my mates met MOLBY.

He was a F***ing outstanding player. The complete opposite of HENDERSON . A player who could just operate in the middle of the park , without actually running around. His passing was outstanding and was played in his head before he got the ball. A TRUE footballer.

Henderson is just am athletic young lad with no guile what so ever.

Jus for the record, I was first taken to Anfield as a four year old in 1956, by my Grandad, who had supported Liverpool for most of his life.
When we conceded the third in istanbul, I turned to my son, who was 27 at the time, and said, Dan, don't think well come back from this mate, but stranger things have happened. I turned and saw the tears in his eyes. when Xabi put the third in, we shouted, jumped and hollered at anyone in hearing distance, and went totally crazy.  Then I said fukcin hell, we're gonna win this, they must be mentally wrecked. Didn't expect it to go to pens though, thought wed go on and win inside 90.
I was 53 at the time, so old and young, all the same if you're a real Liverpool fan.

Yes, all the same on a night like that. But not over the course of 10 poor league campaigns .

We can all scream and shout after that game.But that is no barometer of a younger fan never seeing a title winning side. Against an older fan telling him , while that night was incredible, the 2004-05 league season was pathetic.

I personally would judge RAFA on that league season .Instead of us winning a cup.Sounds harsh? But thats just the way i judge a team.

Jus for the record, I was first taken to Anfield as a four year old in 1956, by my Grandad, who had supported Liverpool for most of his life.
When we conceded the third in istanbul, I turned to my son, who was 27 at the time, and said, Dan, don't think well come back from this mate, but stranger things have happened. I turned and saw the tears in his eyes. when Xabi put the third in, we shouted, jumped and hollered at anyone in hearing distance, and went totally crazy.  Then I said fukcin hell, we're gonna win this, they must be mentally wrecked. Didn't expect it to go to pens though, thought wed go on and win inside 90.
I was 53 at the time, so old and young, all the same if you're a real Liverpool fan.

My earliest memory is the 65 Cup final but I still maintain that Istanbul is one of the greatest nights this club has ever had and lets face it we have seen some special games. So if its in your blood and like your Grandad did for you you educate the young then age is nothing when it comes to following this club.

If you read the "your brush with players"
You will read when me and my mates met MOLBY.

He was a f**king outstanding player. The complete opposite of HENDERSON . A player who could just operate in the middle of the park , without actually running around. His passing was outstanding and was played in his head before he got the ball. A TRUE footballer.

Henderson is just am athletic young lad with no guile what so ever.

Some assist record for so guile.

We'd have won the title in 2014 had this kid not been sent off. He's no Jan Molby for sure - but he is Jordan Henderson and a fine player and character to all those who are willing to see.

Some assist record for so guile.

We'd have won the title in 2014 had this kid not been sent off. He's no Jan Molby for sure - but he is Jordan Henderson and a fine player and character to all those who are willing to see.

We should not have lost to Chelsea irrespective of Henderson, that's where we lost the league. Simple naivety.

Some assist record for so guile.

We'd have won the title in 2014 had this kid not been sent off. He's no Jan Molby for sure - but he is Jordan Henderson and a fine player and character to all those who are willing to see.

Sorry mate. But he is not even a half decent player. If he was , teams would be coming in for him. He is the complete opposite to MOLBY. Who could run a game without running about  scatterbrained. Henderson is all energy nothing more. I do not consider that a priority for a captain and CM. You need something more. He lacks it in spades.

Name his great games on a blunt handed man.

Sorry mate. But he is not even a half decent player. If he was , teams would be coming in for him. He is the complete opposite to MOLBY. Who could run a game without running about  scatterbrained. Henderson is all energy nothing more. I do not consider that a priority for a captain and CM. You need something more. He lacks it in spades.

Name his great games on a blunt handed man.

That’s what Gerrard indicated on the eve of this announcement: “Jordan’s so professional, he’s a winner, a great lad.

“I don’t think there’s a more fitting player to take that armband off me.”

Gerrard’s words are the perfect endorsement for Henderson’s appointment—he is by far the best candidate for the role.

Comparing with Jan Molby is farcical he is half his size for a start and twice as quick Molby was a completely different player but next time I chat to him I will tell him how he compares to Jordan .

That’s what Gerrard indicated on the eve of this announcement: “Jordan’s so professional, he’s a winner, a great lad.

“I don’t think there’s a more fitting player to take that armband off me.”

Gerrard’s words are the perfect endorsement for Henderson’s appointment—he is by far the best candidate for the role.

Comparing with Jan Molby is farcical he is half his size for a start and twice as quick Molby was a completely different player but next time I chat to him I will tell him how he compares to Jordan .

Both completely different players?  Even though they play the same position?
One can run a game from midfield without wasting energy. The other runs around alot, whilst acheiving little.

And just what else did you expect Gerrard to say?

Sorry mate. But he is not even a half decent player. If he was , teams would be coming in for him.

So......Coutinho must not be a half decent player either since no teams are coming in for him? But yet Lambert was sold pretty easily...so I suppose he's better than both of them?

I wonder if this would even be a topic right now had we inflicted, rather than received, a 3-0 tw@tting last time out.

We should not have lost to Chelsea irrespective of Henderson, that's where we lost the league. Simple naivety.

Would you say we we're naive when Arsenal and Michael Thomas nicked the title from us in the last minute of the last game in 89?
There's been other years when we have lost crucial games in the final run in and paid the price...
Football is a crazy game, thats why we love it so much...

Would you say we we're naive when Arsenal and Michael Thomas nicked the title from us in the last minute of the last game in 89?
There's been other years when we have lost crucial games in the final run in and paid the price...
Football is a crazy game, thats why we love it so much...

Yes we were, nowadays fans would been screaming at Barnes to take it into the corner, instead he tried to beat a man, lost it, Arsenal went on the attack and the rest is history, although I agree with the last bit.

Keep saying it and will continue to say it - it wasn't just simple naiviety. You do not win the league when you have a defence that leaks 50+ goals a season - that's where we lost it.

Sorry mate. But he is not even a half decent player. If he was , teams would be coming in for him. He is the complete opposite to MOLBY. Who could run a game without running about  scatterbrained. Henderson is all energy nothing more. I do not consider that a priority for a captain and CM. You need something more. He lacks it in spades.

Name his great games on a blunt handed man.

We should not have lost to Chelsea irrespective of Henderson, that's where we lost the league. Simple naivety.

Drives me nuts the grief this kid takes.

None so blind as those who shall not see.

Fine player and fine ambassador.

Absolutely, although you'd have to ask Barnsey himself why he made that decision in his mind..

Personally referring to games/players from yester year allows the older fan to spread his/her wise words today with regard to tactics and analysis... that is in no way disrespectful to younger fans , just the way it is..

One day, many years from now when us "Glory Years" Kronies have long gone they'll be banging on about how sh*t Lovren was and how winning the Champions League with Stevie G as our manager beating Barcelona 3-0 in the final was better than Istanbul 05.. ha