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      £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Sep 24, 2009 08:08:38 am
      Liverpool's £20m buying cap revealed in club report
      Rafael Benitez's struggle to keep pace with the Premier League elite is revealed in documents which suggest Liverpool's net summer spending will be locked at £20m until 2014 – a figure which will also include wage increases accruing from contract renewals. The figures, which suggest the manager must continue to sell before he can buy, are contained in a prospectus published in March by investment banks Rothschild and Merrill Lynch to attract potential investors in the club.

      The prospectus, which provides a sense of how desperately Liverpool's owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett need new finance, reveal the Americans were considering increasing the average ticket price by eight per cent to help ease the club's debt problems. They were also seeking to raise £100m from investors and loans as pressure built to refinance a debt of £290m.

      Gillett and Hicks paid £50m four months later, in July, to get a year's extension to the debt facility they have used to purchase and run the club since their takeover in February 2007. This season they have secured a new £20m-a-year sponsorship deal with Standard Chartered Bank, a major improvement on the previous £14.6m Carlsberg deal and hope to retain a role for Carlsberg, commercial director Ian Ayre revealed yesterday.

      Yet the underlying lack of finance for Benitez remains a problem. It might not be as dire a position for the club as suggested by the banner unveiled by Liverpool fans before the Carling Cup tie with Leeds at Elland Road on Tuesday – "We are the new Leeds," it read – but Benitez is clearly limited in his options in the transfer market. The section of the Rothschild/Merrill Lynch document relating to "player transfer payments" states: "Management believes that the normalised long-run level of new net player capital expenditure is £20m." The accompanying data suggests "long run" means the next five years. This figure "will grow together with increases in media broadcasting revenues," the bankers promise. Though revenues from British broadcasters are expected to drop, overseas rights should grow before 2014.

      This summer the £30m sale of Xabi Alonso to Real Madrid helped offset the outlay on Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani. The need to generate cash to finance future purchases next summer may make it more difficult to resist selling Javier Mascherano. Meanwhile, the Liverpool managing director, Christian Purslow, indicated, in a recent meeting with the Spirit of Shankly supporters' organisation, the minutes of which are published on its website, that money spent on improved contracts for players is considered part of the transfer budget.

      Hicks and Gillett eventually decided against an increase in ticket price, which would have come as the majority of the 20 Premier League clubs decided to freeze or reduce prices of some tickets for this season. But other details of Hicks and Gillett's future commercial strategy for Liverpool, outlined in the document obtained by Bloomberg News, include plans to convert 1,000 regular seats at Anfield into corporate seats and the creation of Liverpool-branded academies. New secondary sponsors will be targeted and catering facilities improved to help realise ambitions to increase commercial revenue from £59m to £111.4m in the next five years – a lofty target.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpools-16320m-buying-cap-revealed-in-club-report-1792189.html


      Not good! we'll have to sell and shop carefully! Can't see this being any good for us.
      « Last Edit: Sep 24, 2009 09:03:59 am by Bpatel »
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      Reply #1: Sep 24, 2009 08:56:48 am
      There's a report in the Independent of the manager being given a spending cap of £20m. limit until 2014 >:(
      My only reaction to this is a vision of Rafa disappearing into the sunset in search of freedom to manage a football club without interference.
      « Last Edit: Sep 24, 2009 10:33:05 am by stuey »
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #2: Sep 24, 2009 09:11:58 am
      That is so f**king infuriating!

      We are going to be in a sh*t-load of trouble if we're selling players to raise some money. Not happy about this.  

      YANKS OUT!  
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #3: Sep 24, 2009 09:23:00 am
      Sooooo, we can't afford Silva. Now shut up about that one please. There's one positive to come out of this, no more having to deal with his transfer thread.

      Overall, big problem.
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      Reply #4: Sep 24, 2009 09:34:46 am
      F**k the yanks

      charging fans more for tickets to clear their debts, wankers utter F***ing wankers and then give us a cap on buying, they are about as ambitious as portsmouth at the moment! idiots
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      Reply #5: Sep 24, 2009 09:35:45 am
      Do you ever get that sinking feeling, they have already got one arm of Rafa's tied behind his back and now they want to tie up his other arm, I get the feeling he wont put up with all this for much longer. As for the debt it was always going to come to this owing to them relying on investment when times are hard, they should have sold when they had the opportunity, it's obvious they have no cash they are willing to put into the club so why should anyone else give them money, sell up and go home you useless pair of c***s.....
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      Reply #6: Sep 24, 2009 09:40:06 am
      Not good,Rafa has got his work cut out keeping us in the top four.
      It just get's better with these two tw*ts.
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      Reply #7: Sep 24, 2009 09:50:58 am
      get them 2 yanks out of the club. they are leading us into a disaster. they are not good for this club. rafa will not hang around too long if he isnt given the tools to carry out his job
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      Reply #8: Sep 24, 2009 10:17:57 am
      They are doing such a good job at destroying the institution known as LFC that soon we'll be no more than a bit part player in the prem, the latest job for H&G is to cut the very thing that helps us, that's to cut the money Rafa has to use, now 20mill sounds o.k to teams coming out of the championship, but for us to have to fight on all fronts for titles it's about as much use as a tick on a hairless man. Not only that but built in to the 20mill they want new wages paid to new players, you cannot get a Torres to want to play for you on 20,000thou.a wk, and yet what the yanks want will not work, if they don't realise that they are bigger fools than I gave them credit for.The next summer we may have to sell Mascha then Torres whilst we will bring in players who will play for less and want less money, it's the only way a budget of that nature can work. Each year it gets worse than the year before....
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      Reply #9: Sep 24, 2009 10:18:23 am
      At least we know were we are which may not be were we want to be. Lets concentrate on our team we have a good squad when all are fit and with a few kids coming through its not that bad.Personally I am tired of all the negativity surrounding Hicks, Gillette and transfers we need to be positive and just get behind the team and the manager.If I never here thre name sspoken again it wont be too soon.
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      Reply #10: Sep 24, 2009 10:20:51 am
      "... other details of Hicks and Gillett's future commercial strategy for Liverpool, outlined in the document obtained by Bloomberg News, include plans to convert 1,000 regular seats at Anfield into corporate seats..."

      bas**rds. How about building the promised new stadium, so more of the actual fans who want to go every week can get in instead of your hot dog munching cowboy mates?

      This has got me fuming!  :f_steam:
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      Reply #11: Sep 24, 2009 11:15:51 am
      There's a report in the Independent of the manager being given a spending cap of £20m. limit until 2014 >:(
      My only reaction to this is a vision of Rafa disappearing into the sunset in search of freedom to manage a football club without interference.

      I am worried, Rafa left Valencia because they promised things and then did not deliver, we promised him total control of transfers + funds, £20mil a year which also is meant to cover wage increases is definetly a big middle finger to Rafa IMO.
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #12: Sep 24, 2009 11:28:15 am
      I can see Stan Chart coming in for future refinancing deals. We are already slaves to the banks because the yanks pushed down their debt. Perhaps Stan Chart can refinance, enforce the loan and if H&G fail to pay, it can use its private equity arm to takeover their stakes in the club. After Stan Chart can milk the club for a few years before selling out for a profit. In any case, this gets rid of H&G. How about that? 
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      Reply #13: Sep 24, 2009 11:36:53 am
      This links into the other thread about what people do in that we are now starting to make some decent commercial deals (about f-ing time) which should be putting more money into Rafa's pocket. However the debt is so high that this extra revenue is just being dropped into the black hole of yank doom just to pay off the interest - if we could just get a buyer and wipe out the debt we would be in a fantastic position as we now have much more more coming into the club. YO
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      Reply #14: Sep 24, 2009 12:27:17 pm
      Rafa wanted a table and got a lamp  >:(
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #15: Sep 24, 2009 12:39:39 pm
      This cap doesnt make sense.   why

      because earning fluctuate greatly with success

      what if we did win everything for 2 years running, our profile would sour, and potential earnings and actual profits would soar, so how can they still cap the spending, makes 0 sense to me. The truth is as we all know we are being screwed and left to rot for a profit by these two theiving yanks.
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      Reply #16: Sep 24, 2009 12:45:51 pm
      So the Independent reported this today then?

      If some people knew how to browse this forum correctly then they would have noticed that we published the offending documents on here 9 days ago which highlighted the £20M cap.
      http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=22764.0
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      Reply #17: Sep 24, 2009 12:53:12 pm
      FFS. Give me the g---- !
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      Reply #18: Sep 24, 2009 01:05:05 pm
      I am adammant we will have new owners by 2014.
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      Reply #19: Sep 24, 2009 01:19:12 pm
      Rafa wanted a table and got a pair of f****n planks, what chance have we got with dumb and dumber in charge of this club, its hard enough competing with the likes of chesea and the mancs  [citeh and united] with the squads they have got but with limited funds for Rafa to spend its probably impossible maybe 3rd or 4th is the best we can hope for because the main worry is not qualifying for the champions league and missing out on the 25/30 m it brings in .do the decent thing and F**K OFF NOW YOU PAIR OF PHONIES
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      Reply #20: Sep 24, 2009 01:26:30 pm
      Rafa wanted a table and got a pair of f****n planks, what chance have we got with dumb and dumber in charge of this club, its hard enough competing with the likes of chesea and the mancs  [citeh and united] with the squads they have got but with limited funds for Rafa to spend its probably impossible maybe 3rd or 4th is the best we can hope for because the main worry is not qualifying for the champions league and missing out on the 25/30 m it brings in .do the decent thing and F**K OFF NOW YOU PAIR OF PHONIES

      You do know that since Rafa arrived, he has spent far more than Ferguson in the same period, so that;s a fairly invalid post my friend.
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      Reply #21: Sep 24, 2009 01:28:52 pm
      You do know that since Rafa arrived, he has spent far more than Ferguson in the same period, so that;s a fairly invalid post my friend.
      Manc tw*t  :tosser:
      Why don't you just admit it? Everyone already knows.
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      Reply #22: Sep 24, 2009 01:30:12 pm
      You do know that since Rafa arrived, he has spent far more than Ferguson in the same period, so that;s a fairly invalid post my friend.
      The difference being that Rafa has had to sell to buy while your mate Ferguson hasn't.
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      Reply #23: Sep 24, 2009 01:36:32 pm
      The difference being that Rafa has had to sell to buy while your mate Ferguson hasn't.

      Wrong again, the overall net sped of Liverpool has been higher than that of Utd. Understand?
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      Reply #24: Sep 24, 2009 01:42:38 pm
      Wrong again, the overall net sped of Liverpool has been higher than that of Utd. Understand?

      No you're wrong.

      Ferguson said that too and the media and everyone else proved him wrong.
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      Reply #25: Sep 24, 2009 01:51:44 pm
      Wrong again, the overall net sped of Liverpool has been higher than that of Utd. Understand?

      Thanks to Real throwing £80M at you for Ronaldo maybe.  Before Benitez arrived in England, United had already built up a far more expensive squad than Liverpool had with the likes of Rooney, Ferdinand and a whole host of players that have since been able to move on and boost the coffers at Old Trafford.

      Liverpool had a relatively poor value squad which has needed to be built up.

      But these facts remain.

      Combining the summer of 2008, the January of 2009 and the summer of 2009 - three transfer windows - Liverpool have had a net spend of £7M on new players.

      That is an absolute joke for a team that is looking to take the next step up. United are already at the top so their demand for new players, clearly, is not as needed as at our club.

      I wonder how Hicks and Gillett could attempt to hamper Liverpool's progress even more - maybe next season they will cut the cost of buying football boots and send the players out in wellies?



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      Reply #26: Sep 24, 2009 01:56:05 pm
      fella you should go on youtube or the guardian website if you really need to debate with rival fans.
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      Reply #27: Sep 24, 2009 01:58:07 pm
      Thanks H&G! You both made us looks like a fool! 20 million buying cap? Utter garbage! A club like us but with a transfer cap? It's like having a Ferrari with a speed limiter. By doing this you both actually trying to made us look skint and a worthless club. Now thanks to you both, no big names would want to sign for us even if they wanted to. What  kind of players you're suggesting Rafa to sign with that stupid 20 million cap? A group of planks? If Aquilani alone cost us nearly 20 million, how about Aguero? You're letting us dying out there in the transfer market. Now everyone knows that Liverpool have two boneheads in the club.

      Why did Moores and Parry sold us to you on the first place? It still lingering on my mind as how stupid they both were selling Liverpool to a bunch of knobheads rather than selling to a rich Arab. It's right as we'll never knows what the future holds but for now I can assume that we can put our heads up our a**es with you still at helm. You're putting our beloved club to a level rivaled by the likes of Fulham and Burnley in spending power. Big 4 my a**e with you still around. It's more like Big Doom!

      You're saying we can compete with the likes of Chelsea or Mancs? Or our debt is less serious than both of them? F**kin' kidding me? Even if Chelsea did have more debt than us, at least it's coming from Roman's pocket not RBS! Why don't you just accept the fact that you both are w**kers! Nobody wants w**kers and still you're trying to say that we are not in deep financial woes. I can accept the fact we are not if we signed at least Villa or Aguero but by looking at the situation right now signing a Shawcross or an Arizmendi are the best bet we have. Not to mention we always lost in bidding wars with several top clubs just because you both jerks owed RBS.

      Just get the f**k out from Liverpool and leave Rafa alone! Rafa is a world class tactician but with a budget of a Tony Pulis. How could you expect us to compete with that kind of money? Don't blame Rafa for the situation we had earlier this season. It's your a**e to blame because you're busy calculating the loan interest and all sort of debt you have to pay and yet pulling the plug from Rafa's transfer kitty. I was in shock when we could only get Sotis when I presumed the money from Alonso's sale should be enough to secure at least another striker if not world class let it be promising. But 1.5 million left? That's f**king disgrace not to say making us ate the humble pie. No disrespect for Sotis but a club with our stature at least we could get a certain Nesta or a Ramos.

      We are proud of Liverpool but you make us a laughing stock! I just wish things were back in place when Liverpool is a people's club and not a corporate club. Back then eventhough we were not that financially great but at least there's no worry for any debts. Eventhough our players were not a world class type; Hamann, Smicer, Berger and Heskey but at least we have the cohesion and the determination to fight for the club and they gave us something to cheer about. But now, you took everything from us. We lost our pride and our dignity thanks to you clowns. Not even single day passed by without thinking what will happen to our beloved club. We even have to put a brave face and a joyous cheer everytime we play not to think what will happen to these players if we are to be financially outsourced.

      Let this be a reminder for you both. We in Liverpool FC will never let this kind of thing happens to our club and we will not take anymore serious jeopardy for our club's future. You have caused us enough trouble already and don't try to make things even worse. Just pull the plug and get the hell out from here before it's too late or we staged any boycott.
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #28: Sep 24, 2009 02:01:49 pm
      ^ That is an excellent post.
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      Reply #29: Sep 24, 2009 02:06:52 pm
      ^ That is an excellent post.

      Agreed. Although more credit to Tony Pulis, a quality manager in my eyes.
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      Reply #30: Sep 24, 2009 02:09:22 pm
      Tony Pulis spent more than us in terms of net spending, actually. F***ing shocking but a tremendous post altogether mate. We feel your pain and annoyance.
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      Reply #31: Sep 24, 2009 02:10:20 pm
      ^ That is an excellent post.
      Sorry mate, got a bit carried away when i read about that crap 20 million budget cap.
      Agreed. Although more credit to Tony Pulis, a quality manager in my eyes.


      Agree with that but if that 20 million cap why bother sticking to Rafa and just get Pulis instead. Rafa is a world class manager but with a Stoke budget, come on that's f**king disgrace.
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      Reply #32: Sep 24, 2009 02:16:34 pm
      So basically we are screwed unless we are bought by some arab. I can see us in the next few years losing our top players and droping down the table. If it so bleeding obvious as to whats going on why isnt something done. There are Liverpool fans all over the world, millions of us who love the club. Is there any way of putting this right. Can us fans do something, dig into our own pockets maybe, instead of pissing and moaning about it.
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      Reply #33: Sep 24, 2009 02:17:38 pm
      Rafa had nothing to work with when he came so the squad needed major surgery unlike purple nose who has been squad building for over twenty years , I think there is a major difference between the two of them .
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      Reply #34: Sep 24, 2009 02:20:19 pm
      So basically we are screwed unless we are bought by some arab. I can see us in the next few years losing our top players and droping down the table. If it so bleeding obvious as to whats going on why isnt something done. There are Liverpool fans all over the world, millions of us who love the club. Is there any way of putting this right. Can us fans do something, dig into our own pockets maybe, instead of pissing and moaning about it.

      There is no knight in shining armor im afraid.

      This will only be solved from within. Shareliverpool are trying hard to be taken seriously but to part with cash and not see ROI would be like buying a piece of the moon.
      « Last Edit: Sep 24, 2009 02:21:30 pm by crouchinho »
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      Reply #35: Sep 24, 2009 02:33:18 pm
      Well said macca8.  Great post!

      A net spend of £7 million over three transfer windows for a club like ours is ludicrous.  How do they expect us to compete?  F***ing yanks, lining their pockets whilst destroying the greatest club in the world.

      I wonder if they actually realise what the consequences of LFC not qualifying for CL next season or the season after.  The loss of revenue would F**k their financial forecasts right up.  No CL money, possibly no Europa League money, mid table anonimity...none of this would please the new sponsor either.
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      Reply #36: Sep 24, 2009 02:39:41 pm
      Well said macca8.  Great post!

      A net spend of £7 million over three transfer windows for a club like ours is ludicrous.  How do they expect us to compete?  F***ing yanks, lining their pockets whilst destroying the greatest club in the world.

      I wonder if they actually realise what the consequences of LFC not qualifying for CL next season or the season after.  The loss of revenue would f**k their financial forecasts right up.  No CL money, possibly no Europa League money, mid table anonimity...none of this would please the new sponsor either.

      given the value of the deal with Standard Chartered and prospective stadium naming, surely there is some qualifying criteria to say, no european football and we pull the plug.
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #37: Sep 24, 2009 03:01:29 pm

      Agree with that but if that 20 million cap why bother sticking to Rafa and just get Pulis instead. Rafa is a world class manager but with a Stoke budget, come on that's f**king disgrace.
      We might not have any say in the choice of manager - it's a horrifying thought to contemplate but it really looks as though somebody is intent on making Rafa walk, personally i'm keeping everything crossed and hoping it will not happen.
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      Reply #38: Sep 24, 2009 03:05:36 pm
      What a f***in joke... is this really true? How the F**k are we meant to compete with £20m when that will just about get you a decent player these days? Im waiting to hear more from this as im seriously worried for our future with these cu*ts in charge. So what is it? has Rafa got to sell to buy? FFS. Theres no word on this anywhere else is there, so im waiting a bit before i believe this article. You know if this is true somebodys going to have to answer questions about it.
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      Reply #39: Sep 24, 2009 03:09:02 pm
      It shows there whole business plans revolve around qualifying for the champions league, well If they continue to handicap Rafa with micky mouse transfers budgets the only Europe we will see is in pre-season. Where is Purslow today to deny these claims. If they are still here by 2014 we are f'cked can't think of a better way to put it.
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      Reply #40: Sep 24, 2009 03:10:58 pm
      I think i'm going to hang myself.

      Yanks out!
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      Reply #41: Sep 24, 2009 03:18:51 pm
      If they were to be here till 2014, the only cup we'll gonna see is only the League Cup...if that's possible. Crap management and crap financial controlling by them!
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #42: Sep 24, 2009 03:22:36 pm
      I saw there aim is to reduce the debt, ya sh'theads but at what cost, what is the point of having low debt if we are constantly finishing mid table or even worse.

      By 2014 Gerrard will be 34, how much will we need to spend to replace him, think it will be a lot more than £20 million. Don't believe them about reducing the debt either.
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      Reply #43: Sep 24, 2009 05:26:13 pm
      The documents in which JD has posted seem to suggest that the Yanks would be out in 2012, something along the lines of a '3 Year Exit Plan'.

      If that is the case then why don't they leave now, rather than leave us in a financially deep sh*t position. It is infuriating to wake up everyday to see news like this that make our club look like a laughing stock in the papers. It saddens me that we have such incapable owners who can't even provide the basic necessities - transfer funds.

      The StanChart sponsorship deal is a big coup, but isn't going to make much difference considering its only 5-6 million per year difference.
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #44: Sep 24, 2009 05:33:44 pm
      So the Independent reported this today then?

      If some people knew how to browse this forum correctly then they would have noticed that we published the offending documents on here 9 days ago which highlighted the £20M cap.
      http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=22764.0
      Fair play JD, apologies missed it the first time around
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #45: Sep 24, 2009 05:58:27 pm
      £20m to spend on players each year, but we have just signed a sponsorship deal worth..... £20m a year, so all the other sponsorships, TV money, EPL and CL money goes where?
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #46: Sep 24, 2009 06:02:17 pm
      What makes it worse is that Contract signings extensions etc. are included in that and we all know how much they claim that takes up given the fact that Purslow claims we've spent 20mil this season they could give Rafa F**k all every season and blame "contract extensions" for it. :f_steam:
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      Reply #47: Sep 24, 2009 06:24:56 pm
      I am fearing a complete colaspe. If we do not improve teams like city or spurs are going to overtake us
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      Reply #48: Sep 24, 2009 06:28:36 pm
      Hmm seems like macherano is a definate sale then. The only way we'll get through this is if rafa buys more players like masch and alonso and then sells them for 2-3 more for a couple of seasons. I still think we'll make top four, as long as gerrard and torres dont get sold. Our first team is good enough to compete with anybody so the only real players we need to buy are those who can come in and do a job. Plus we have our youngsters so hopefully they'll come through as well.
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #49: Sep 25, 2009 12:31:33 am
      Hmm seems like macherano is a definate sale then. The only way we'll get through this is if rafa buys more players like masch and alonso and then sells them for 2-3 more for a couple of seasons. I still think we'll make top four, as long as gerrard and torres dont get sold. Our first team is good enough to compete with anybody so the only real players we need to buy are those who can come in and do a job. Plus we have our youngsters so hopefully they'll come through as well.
      You miss the point mate the burning question is will Rafa want to continue scraping and scratching in spite of his obvious loyalties? are the bas**rds going to grind him down? and will they be allowed to?
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      Reply #50: Sep 25, 2009 05:04:40 am
      You miss the point mate the burning question is will Rafa want to continue scraping and scratching in spite of his obvious loyalties? are the bas**rds going to grind him down? and will they be allowed to?

      Yeah true if rafa leaves then we're going downhill, but If he stays I can't see how the situation is going to be different in the coming transfer windows than it it was in the previous transfer windows.

      We bought johnson for around 18 mil but since porthsmouth still owed us money from crouch it works out to about 12 mil from what I understand. We sold arbeloa and alonso, so thats 30 + 3 = 33 mil.
      We bought aquilani and sotos so thats 20 + 3 = 23 mil

      So alltogether we only spent 2 mil from our own pockets by my calculations? I haven't really thought about it before but that sounds ridiculous. Have I missed something? This news means nothing if we haven't spent any money as it is. Saying that we're allowed to spend 20 mil sounds like a dream.
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      Reply #51: Sep 25, 2009 05:43:18 am
      I don't see light at the end of the tunnel if we are still owned by these clowns this time next year. The reality of Rafa leaving is really looking like a possibility, and if that happens we are f**k all. Which manager, at a top club wants to manage with these kinds of ceilings and limitations. What i fail to understand is, how can anyone be so illogical?

      We have a good squad now, but in 5 years' time with these two at the helm, I see us heading for the Leeds bin.
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      Reply #52: Sep 25, 2009 08:11:04 am
      cu*ts
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      Reply #53: Sep 25, 2009 08:56:10 am
      These two may have bought the assets of the club but it is us the supporters who have invested time and money over generations who OWN the club. The are trying to run it like a PLC and that will not work , you need money to run a club and these two haven't got the required funds.
      If they were to have spent heavily (as Man City have done)for the first two years to build up the squad then you could understand them wanting to hold back and then restrict the transfer budget.They havent put any money into the club and want to walk away with a big profit and they probably will do which is very sad indeed,once again thankyou Mr Moores and Mr Parry.
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      Reply #54: Sep 25, 2009 09:16:20 am
      There's no doubt in my mind that Moores and Parry are to blame for this whole farce.

      The deal with H & G put £8m more into Moores' pocket than the offer from D.I.C. would have. That and that alone is the reason that we are now 'owned' by these gangsters. Not exactly 30 pieces of silver but near enough.....

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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #55: Sep 25, 2009 10:13:08 am
      These two may have bought the assets of the club but it is us the supporters who have invested time and money over generations who OWN the club. The are trying to run it like a PLC and that will not work , you need money to run a club and these two haven't got the required funds.
      If they were to have spent heavily (as Man City have done)for the first two years to build up the squad then you could understand them wanting to hold back and then restrict the transfer budget.They havent put any money into the club and want to walk away with a big profit and they probably will do which is very sad indeed,once again thankyou Mr Moores and Mr Parry.
      Comparison with running a PLC is fine if it were being done correctly with all due diligence however the situation with Liverpool Football Club is that unlike a thriving PLC it is not getting vital investment and support from it's owners, much less any moneys realised from the disposal of assets and any planning for the future running of the club is none existent.
      The facts presented indicate one thing the present owners have shown by their refusal to commit themselves that their plans are short term and they do not see anything else but dollars and cents before them. The best scenario would be for a hostile bidder to come in and take hostilities to a new level with these assholes and just roll over them, I realise the stockmarket and commerce are a wee bit more complex  and H&G will have their arses covered but whats the harm in wishing?                                

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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #56: Sep 25, 2009 10:26:51 am
      Half 10 and these two f**kwits already going my nut in

      At least its sunny ???
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #57: Sep 25, 2009 04:24:21 pm
      Clearly with those w**kers still around, the only Rafa could do is to sell in order to buy. Don't hope that they'll come to their senses and start to give Rafa more cash to buy.
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      Reply #58: Sep 25, 2009 04:54:40 pm
      can't see Rafa staying for long with these restrictions. please let someone buy these 2 out.
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      Reply #59: Sep 25, 2009 05:21:36 pm
      The problem at the moment is that as each day passes, the debt of the club increases. These wankers are extremely stubborn and will not sell unless they make a hefty profit out of it. The reality of the matter is that nobody is going to pay over the odds for the club in the knowledge that this pair of cu*ts will walk away from the deal smiling and laughing at them. As much as it hurts us to admit it, these are worrying times for Liverpool, and with each day that passes that worry steadily increases.

      Their business acumen must seriously be called into question. Speculate to accumulate, reap what you sow, get out what you put in. It's basic business sense, but it seems it is totally beyond the comprehension of these turds. I'm not going to get into all the transfer dealings, and who owed what and all that. The facts are that we spent f**k all this summer, no matter which way they try and dress it up.

      All we are to these tossers is a meal ticket, they have no affinity with this club, they do not give two fucks about this club, and they most certainly don't give a f**k about us. My biggest concern in all this is that Rafa will only take so much. Slowly but surely the Valencia situation is taking form at Anfield. He wants a Ferrari and they give him a Nissan Micra. We have the best manager in football at this club, why can't these stupid cu*ts see this and give him the tools to create his masterpiece.
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #60: Sep 25, 2009 07:14:58 pm
      Hasn't this been denied?
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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #61: Sep 25, 2009 07:19:49 pm
      Suprised that they even give that much now tbh. And I think that we all know a 20mill budget really means about 10mill knowing the yankers
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      Reply #62: Sep 25, 2009 08:37:48 pm
      I only have one real question - after 2014 what then.

      I hate these two mugs, but if they said we have to be very frugal for the next 4 seasons then we can go mad I would be thinking perhaps this isent soooooo bad. If they said by 2014 we will be out of debt, a new stadium about to open and a transfer kitty of £100Million a year forever then I could accept it. It would make us sound like Valencia just holding in there for the light at the end of the tunnel. I could take that, knowing there was something there, something to look forward too.

      This cap is to reduce debt, we can all see that - and at this time it is needed. But reducing debt to sell, nothing else. This will make these fools more money and thats all. It makes me sick! 7 years ago I caught my mum with some guy (not my dad, her husband) and I was pissed off / upset / lost. This beats that hands down.

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      Re: £20m Buying Cap Revealed
      Reply #63: Sep 25, 2009 10:08:54 pm
      This was published in March this year.

      The Standard Chartered deal was announced this month September.

      6 months later.

      So we now should be getting the 20 million a year + the difference per year between the old Carlsberg deal and the new Standard Chartered deal.

      Yes? He naively asks.











      Probably No.

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