People going mental! Why ?

It is season over. We have lost too many games. Other teams will drop points but so will we. I am scared to face the likes of wigan with the form we are in! We do not look like beating ANY of the big five, thats right, big five.  Man city look very strong. It looks like someone will be making room for them this year and sadly it looks like us. Now you can say bash me and start as many arguments as you want but the truth is, if we continue the fine form we are on, we will not be beating scum and will put us even further in the red. Sick to death of watching some other cu*ts lift that trophy whilst i can only imagine how it feels. We cant live off a champions league and FA Cup forever

You write all of that and forget Chelsea were beaten by Villa and City drew with Wigan also this weekend.

And since when have City been a big team, won F**k-all and done F**k-all!!

It is season over. We have lost too many games. Other teams will drop points but so will we. I am scared to face the likes of wigan with the form we are in! We do not look like beating ANY of the big five, thats right, big five.  Man city look very strong. It looks like someone will be making room for them this year and sadly it looks like us. Now you can say bash me and start as many arguments as you want but the truth is, if we continue the fine form we are on, we will not be beating scum and will put us even further in the red. Sick to death of watching some other cu*ts lift that trophy whilst I can only imagine how it feels. We cant live off a champions league and FA Cup forever

And the truth is, if the team can gain some confidence in the next few games, good form might return quick and then we can beat any team!! The season is far from over, and is being positive about your team and believing in it not important as a fan? We saw last year what this squad can do, so lets have faith and support our team!

We are not out of the title race, but we are very close to be out of it. The game with United on Sunday is really important. If we don't take all the points then we will probably have to wait another year for number 19 . But if we beat them then they will lose confidence and after the game with us they have to play wih Blackburn (home) and their next visit is at Stamford Bridge. Chelsea also will lose points - half of their players will go to play in Africa for about a month in the beginning of the new year. Arsenal will be the biggest contender for the title in my opinion - they look strong now, but they also lost points. So, every team will lose a lot of points this season. We just need to take advantage of their mistakes. So, we need to perform a lot better than our last few games and we will have a chance.

If the seasons over how come its so cold outside. Are the people saying its over the sameones that leave the game 10mins from the end?.Sunderland can be our low point and with Stevie,Nando and Aqualani in the team we look so much better.I think it is natural to react straight after a game but watching a couple of top 10 late wins on LFC tv with Gary Mac scoring against Everton in 2001 all seems a bit less stressful. There are nearly 90points to play for nobody thinks we can win every game but there is plenty of points available to at least keep us in the hunt until April.

Having read all the posts so far, I have to agree that it is going to be very difficult to win this year but with many of the 'lower' teams able to take points off the 'top' teams this year could be anybody's year, even ours.
Example, Burnley beat ManUre,  Wigan beat Chelski.

I have adopted a Rafa-type approach and just looking 1 game at a time.  

Stand by your beds lads the doom mongers are at large, Christ sake we may as well give up now, Give the coveted 19th to the scumbags, Sell Torres, Gerrard Masch Pepe et al, And donate all the funds to the F**k wits at the top,f***in 10 games in and people are chucking in the towel,Everyone of you defeatest nobheads should hang your head in shame,Give yourselves a f***in good shake and think about it for at least 5 mins, Where has all the 'Never give up no matter what' attitude of the fans i used to mix with on the kop gone, It hurts me when people just give up the ghost so easily, Wwe're missing Alonso the only difference from last year, Once Aquillani comes in we will be a very different proposition to deal with IMO, We don't have that specialist passer at the moment, A player who can pin point a pass or a thru ball and is aware of everything around him, Masch cant do it Lucas certainly cant do it, So, how do we get round it? Drop gerrard back to cm, Use Yossi as a free runner behind Torres if fit, If not stick Babel up front with riera on the left, Dare i say it, Drop Carra for Agger, And get some momentum into the team, Its very clear to me we need to get players in who can handle the pressure or at least take the pressure off the likes of lucas who struggles when he is up against it,So come on  all you defeatists out there,Show you are true LFC supporters and get behind the lads.


    YNWA    IRWT.

........Show you are true LFC supporters and get behind the lads.


    YNWA    IRWT.

Very true.  And starting tonight.

Stand by your beds lads the doom mongers are at large, Christ sake we may as well give up now, Give the coveted 19th to the scumbags, Sell Torres, Gerrard Masch Pepe et al, And donate all the funds to the F**k wits at the top,f***in 10 games in and people are chucking in the towel,Everyone of you defeatest nobheads should hang your head in shame,Give yourselves a f***in good shake and think about it for at least 5 mins, Where has all the 'Never give up no matter what' attitude of the fans i used to mix with on the kop gone, It hurts me when people just give up the ghost so easily, Wwe're missing Alonso the only difference from last year, Once Aquillani comes in we will be a very different proposition to deal with IMO, We don't have that specialist passer at the moment, A player who can pin point a pass or a thru ball and is aware of everything around him, Masch cant do it Lucas certainly cant do it, So, how do we get round it? Drop gerrard back to cm, Use Yossi as a free runner behind Torres if fit, If not stick Babel up front with riera on the left, Dare i say it, Drop Carra for Agger, And get some momentum into the team, Its very clear to me we need to get players in who can handle the pressure or at least take the pressure off the likes of lucas who struggles when he is up against it,So come on  all you defeatists out there,Show you are true LFC supporters and get behind the lads.


    YNWA    IRWT.

But let's face it, some of the faceless gobshites calling for Rafa's head wouldn't have lasted five minutes on the old Kop!

But let's face it, some of the faceless gobshites calling for Rafa's head wouldn't have lasted five minutes on the old Kop!

It seems anybody and everybody are entitled to opinions no matter how illinformed they may be. When I was growing up you were not entitled to any opinions on the manager or the team unless YOU WENT TO THE MATCH.I get disappointed and depressed like everyone else but I don't slag them off and make sweeping statements about the manager and his teams.Other teams must love to see that our once famous solidarity with the team is intact as long as we win. Well for me win loose or draw the lads will have my support as long as they give me their all.

It seems anybody and everybody are entitled to opinions no matter how illinformed they may be. When I was growing up you were not entitled to any opinions on the manager or the team unless YOU WENT TO THE MATCH.

Remember my dad telling me exactly the same thing many years ago.

But this is the internet!

Stand by your beds lads the doom mongers are at large, Christ sake we may as well give up now, Give the coveted 19th to the scumbags, Sell Torres, Gerrard Masch Pepe et al, And donate all the funds to the F**k wits at the top,f***in 10 games in and people are chucking in the towel,Everyone of you defeatest nobheads should hang your head in shame,Give yourselves a f***in good shake and think about it for at least 5 mins, Where has all the 'Never give up no matter what' attitude of the fans i used to mix with on the kop gone, It hurts me when people just give up the ghost so easily, Wwe're missing Alonso the only difference from last year, Once Aquillani comes in we will be a very different proposition to deal with IMO, We don't have that specialist passer at the moment, A player who can pin point a pass or a thru ball and is aware of everything around him, Masch cant do it Lucas certainly cant do it, So, how do we get round it? Drop gerrard back to cm, Use Yossi as a free runner behind Torres if fit, If not stick Babel up front with riera on the left, Dare i say it, Drop Carra for Agger, And get some momentum into the team, Its very clear to me we need to get players in who can handle the pressure or at least take the pressure off the likes of lucas who struggles when he is up against it,So come on  all you defeatists out there,Show you are true LFC supporters and get behind the lads.


    YNWA    IRWT.

Apart fromt he calling of everyone with a different view to you, "defeatest nobheads" and not "true LFC supporters" I like what you have to say.

I totally agree that we should move Gerrard back into midfield because Lucas can't pass.  I don't know about Aquilani, but I hope he is half as good as some on here (who obviously know him better than me) do.  Yossi behind Torres worked at the start of the season and only yesterday  I called for it to come back.

The thing is, do you think any of these things will happen?  

Or, will Lucas play in the centre of the park, passing sideways every time, with no fight in midfield 'cos Masch is also out of form.

The suggestion that we should maybe drop Carra for Agger is a new one to me, but nobody could deny that he is playing as bad as he ever has done.  Something is wrong at the back and maybe a shake up is needed - ceratainly not playing 3 centre halves, though.

I suppose only time will tell and we've got a chance to turn things around tonight, albeit without our spearhead up front.  Here's crossing everything for a good performance and result tonight.


Oh, and I would be at plenty of games if I wasn't currently serving in Cyprus/Afghanistan/Kabul.  I suppose then I'd be allowed to comment.

Gee, some people are really going into meltdown, aren't they?

Ok, fair enough, we aren't going great guns at the moment, which is producing bad results but that will surely change soon. Overnight, we didn't become a sh*t team. We are just lacking confidence, and will turn around with a win.

All you so called Reds fans out there, showing a jelly spine, and Henny Penny's and Doomsday merchants, get a grip idiots, as the sky is not falling.

Yes I would love to have signed a top replacement striker, but we havn't and must deal with it the best we can. Yes Rafa's tactics and team selections aren't always my cup of tea, but still I give him and will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt and keep supporting him.

I say bring on this tough period of games. Lyon and the scum won't be easy but it is a great acid test and I for one love this challenge as it will prove if we are made of stern stuff. We are a very proud club, and this bad form cannot and will not continue. There will be something to spark us up. Perhaps it will be the introduction of the nimble and creative Aquilani. I believe he will explode into action as playing in front of the Kop should inspir ethe hell out of him. I'm very excited to see him in the first team.

We've also seen Stevie and Nando intermittently and add to that list Masch. When they all play consistently together, history has proved that we can wipe the floor with the best: Manure and Real matches to name a few.

Chelsea and the scum have proven to be beatable so no need to panic. A game at a time, and slowly we'll grind back into contention, and Sunday's match should be the catalyst for renewed passion.

BELIEVE

Apart fromt he calling of everyone with a different view to you, "defeatest nobheads" and not "true LFC supporters" I like what you have to say.

I totally agree that we should move Gerrard back into midfield because Lucas can't pass.  I don't know about Aquilani, but I hope he is half as good as some on here (who obviously know him better than me) do.  Yossi behind Torres worked at the start of the season and only yesterday  I called for it to come back.

The thing is, do you think any of these things will happen? 

Or, will Lucas play in the centre of the park, passing sideways every time, with no fight in midfield 'cos Masch is also out of form.

The suggestion that we should maybe drop Carra for Agger is a new one to me, but nobody could deny that he is playing as bad as he ever has done.  Something is wrong at the back and maybe a shake up is needed - ceratainly not playing 3 centre halves, though.

I suppose only time will tell and we've got a chance to turn things around tonight, albeit without our spearhead up front.  Here's crossing everything for a good performance and result tonight.


Oh, and I would be at plenty of games if I wasn't currently serving in Cyprus/Afghanistan/Kabul.  I suppose then I'd be allowed to comment.

Hate to say this, but you did make that choice!

Hate to say this, but you did make that choice!

Which choice?

Which choice?

To be in the army, I take it?

You get told where to go, I know there's not much you can do about it!

Equivalent time last year - 28th October 2008

1. Liverpool Pts 23
2. Chelsea Pts 20
3. Hull Pts 20
4. Arsenal Pts 19
5. Aston Villa Pts 17
6. Man Utd Pts 15

Somebody want to remind me who won the league with a 4 point cushion?

EXACTLY.

Everything can change.


Do you think we could all get behind the team FFS?


If you spend all your time looking back with one foot on one stool and looking forward with the other foot on the other stool all you end up doing is pissing in the middle.

One game at a time.

To be in the army, I take it?

You get told where to go, I know there's not much you can do about it!

Air Force mate.  And yes, I do get told where to go.

Even if I was based in Liverpool (apart from the Careers Office there's no hope of that) I'd still end up being sent all over the world.

Hope to get an M6 posting when I leave here in April so that I can get up for a few games.

Back on topic - what were we saying?  Oh, yes - we have got 2 massive games coming up in the next few days and we NEED as many points as we can from them.

Air Force mate.  And yes, I do get told where to go.

Even if I was based in Liverpool (apart from the Careers Office there's no hope of that) I'd still end up being sent all over the world.

Hope to get an M6 posting when I leave here in April so that I can get up for a few games.

Back on topic - what were we saying?  Oh, yes - we have got 2 massive games coming up in the next few days and we NEED as many points as we can from them.

Wasn't trying to slag you. At least you've offered good reasoned opinions to this debate, not just mindless and sometimes wrong facts like some of the cranks we've had on.

Know a couple of lads that joined-up a while ago, one's just got into the para's.

Stay safe anyway.

And now for a crazy suggestion, I thought what you said in the other thread about aurelio, was right, but against Sunderland I would of tried Dossena.

Play him further up the field away from left-back anyway, as a wing-back or left-winger, he can hit the by-line and get in a cross.

I just get tired of the jump on Rafa brigade I know some give their considered view and I respect that but far too many come on with half arsed comments that get right up my nose.3 losses on the bounce is poor by any standards and by ours it is unheard of so isnt it this the time to support the team and the manager without question rather than stand on the sidelines sniping.

Wasn't trying to slag you. At least you've offered good reasoned opinions to this debate, not just mindless and sometimes wrong facts like some of the cranks we've had on.

Know a couple of lads that joined-up a while ago, one's just got into the para's.

Stay safe anyway.

And now for a crazy suggestion, I thought what you said in the other thread about aurelio, was right, but against Sunderland I would of tried Dossena.

Play him further up the field away from left-back anyway, as a wing-back or left-winger, he can hit the by-line and get in a cross.

Thanks mate.  I try to offer a reasoned argument - gets you much further than shouting or spouting bollocks all the time - and I appreciate anyone else's opinion as long as it is delivered in the same way.

The thing with Dossena is that I have always though he looked better as left-wing, 'cos he can't defend for toffee.

Here's a thought, push Kuyt (until Torres comes back) up top with Yossi, Gerrard in midfield with Masch, Johnson and Dossnea as wingers and Steve Darby at right back with Insua/Aurelio on the other side.  Pick 2 from 3 centre halves ('cos Ayala isn't going to get a go) and see how we get on.

That gets the best out of Johnson (who looks shaky in defence but fantastic going forward), Dossena and Gerrard as it adds some grit, drive and precision in the middle of the park.

Anyone to comment?

I'll probably get hammered but I think Dossena is a decent player but no at left back.I agree that until Aqualani is fit we desperately need Stevie back alongside Masch but is it fair to Stevie to change his postion everytime someone is injured.I would pick Aurelio at full back he needs match fitness to get himself back in form but after that its getting a bit thin isnt it.Yossi would have to play up front with Kuyt but that would probably mean Rafa picking Babel on the right and Riera on the left.Why is our defense so shaky this season come back Sami.

Thanks mate.  I try to offer a reasoned argument - gets you much further than shouting or spouting bollocks all the time - and I appreciate anyone else's opinion as long as it is delivered in the same way.

The thing with Dossena is that I have always though he looked better as left-wing, 'cos he can't defend for toffee.

Here's a thought, push Kuyt (until Torres comes back) up top with Yossi, Gerrard in midfield with Masch, Johnson and Dossnea as wingers and Steve Darby at right back with Insua/Aurelio on the other side.  Pick 2 from 3 centre halves ('cos Ayala isn't going to get a go) and see how we get on.

That gets the best out of Johnson (who looks shaky in defence but fantastic going forward), Dossena and Gerrard as it adds some grit, drive and precision in the middle of the park.

Anyone to comment?

Johnson would defo add width if he was played on the wing, and he does seem like he would suit it. Think it's clear to everyone that Dossena isn't a full back, but I would rather give Aurelio a bash at left wing. Yossi can obviously do a job behind Nando/Kuyt, seen him splitting teams open constantly. Gerrard would be the creative one in the middle obviously. Think it would work out well, Rafa like's his wingers being able to defend aswell, so wouldn't have a problem there, only issue could be Kuyt, as he likes to run everywhere, need him to stick near the box and leave others to do the work.

Wouldn't mind seeing it happen, sounds decent, but is now the time to experiment?

Johnson would defo add width if he was played on the wing, and he does seem like he would suit it. Think it's clear to everyone that Dossena isn't a full back, but I would rather give Aurelio a bash at left wing. Yossi can obviously do a job behind Nando/Kuyt, seen him splitting teams open constantly. Gerrard would be the creative one in the middle obviously. Think it would work out well, Rafa like's his wingers being able to defend aswell, so wouldn't have a problem there, only issue could be Kuyt, as he likes to run everywhere, need him to stick near the box and leave others to do the work.

Wouldn't mind seeing it happen, sounds decent, but is now the time to experiment?

I have no problems with Aurelio at left-wing instead of Dossena, he is arguably our best crosser.

Kuyt as the furthest forward could be a problem as you say because he does like to chase the ball instead of letting it come to him.

Would this really be that much of an experiment?  Yossi played behind Torres this season and Gerrard in the middle.  Johnson spends most of his time up there anyway so just tell him not to come back.  Steve Darby is good enough to play and if Masch doesn't have to think about covering Lucas he will be more defensive - like the Masch of old.

Plus, if now is not the time to experiment, what was that shambles on Saturday?