Paul Konchesky (Liverpool -> Leicester City)

Dossena is sh*t still though.

Dossena is sh*t still though.

The team he's playing with seem do be doing okay though. ...but that may just be coincidence so don't let it get in the way of your sound bite.

IF it benefited the team so would I mate.

For me its not been the depth of our back line thats been the main problem (I agree with Mick on that one.....nothing personal) its how deep our midfield were falling back that was the real problem. Both from a defensive standpoint and from an attacking one, if your midfield is too deep, rather than trying to win the ball in less dangerous areas every tackle becomes a last ditch desperate one.

To play with a deep defensive line like we do you need a strong aerial presence (Hyypia), sadly to play with a higher back line you need defenders with real pace which we don't have either. Caught between two stools like we are (no pace, no aerial domination) you need your midfield to play a commanding role in maintaining a higher line allowing your defenders to play deeper leaving no space behind them. Which is where your full backs come in. If you play with attacking full backs the space they leave can be exploited and once crosses come in without a high line and with average centrebacks you are always vulnerable.

If we play with a high line and our relatively slow centrebacks we would need to have a rushout goalkeeper (ala Lawrence and Clemence)to guard the space behind them and we would need to maintain possession much better than we appear capable of at the moment. Players like Kuyt would become a liability in such a team.

You also need to take account of the forwards you are playing against, playing against someone good in the air you play a litle higher line than you would against a forward with great pace.

So while I am not against the idea of a higher back line with the right centrebacks, the compromise for me at the moment would be for the midfield to play with a higher line rather than our defnders.

I always said that Masch and Alonso played a little too deep before 2008/9, when finally Alonso started to step up more.



  

Won't be here much longer to talk about anyway:

Konchesky tipped for summer return to Fulham

Paul Konchesky could be back at Craven Cottage this summer after reports Fifa rules denied him the chance to go back this month.

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I thought the rule was no more than two clubs (i.e. if we sold him back to Fulham it would be ok as still within the two clubs rule? )

The team he's playing with seem do be doing okay though. ...but that may just be coincidence so don't let it get in the way of your sound bite.

He's a wing back, not a full back - always has been.

That made sense when we played a high line 4231, with the 2 DM covering, but it didn't quite work out defensively, although I will always maintain he is a better player than konchesky.

Konchesky really is awful in every respect - I can't see he has anything going for him other than being a decent journeyman pro in a side without too much ambition.

75% of the goals scored when Konchesky has played have come down his side hardly backs up the theory he is a decent defensive.

IF it benefited the team so would I mate.

For me its not been the depth of our back line thats been the main problem (I agree with Mick on that one.....nothing personal) its how deep our midfield were falling back that was the real problem. Both from a defensive standpoint and from an attacking one, if your midfield is too deep, rather than trying to win the ball in less dangerous areas every tackle becomes a last ditch desperate one.

To play with a deep defensive line like we do you need a strong aerial presence (Hyypia), sadly to play with a higher back line you need defenders with real pace which we don't have either. Caught between two stools like we are (no pace, no aerial domination) you need your midfield to play a commanding role in maintaining a higher line allowing your defenders to play deeper leaving no space behind them. Which is where your full backs come in. If you play with attacking full backs the space they leave can be exploited and once crosses come in without a high line and with average centrebacks you are always vulnerable.

If we play with a high line and our relatively slow centrebacks we would need to have a rushout goalkeeper (ala Lawrence and Clemence)to guard the space behind them and we would need to maintain possession much better than we appear capable of at the moment. Players like Kuyt would become a liability in such a team.

You also need to take account of the forwards you are playing against, playing against someone good in the air you play a litle higher line than you would against a forward with great pace.

So while I am not against the idea of a higher back line with the right centrebacks, the compromise for me at the moment would be for the midfield to play with a higher line rather than our defnders.

I always said that Masch and Alonso played a little too deep before 2008/9, when finally Alonso started to step up more.  

I genuinely believe we are coming at this from different angles, tho' I could be wrong.

I did say it was more complicated that just Insua v Konchesky (i'll acknowledge Roy's favoured centre-backs didn't work) and. ... my thinking was that if our defence played a higher line the mid-field would, naturally, be pushed higher.

I feel that Pepe performs better with a bit of space to maneuverer in and Nando would be less isolated.

You believe Konchesky to be a better defender than Insua - I'm saying that I haven't seen that but it may be down to the system and the players picked. The only way we can tell tho' is if Kenny plays a deep-lying, rigid, 4-4-2 with Insua instead of Konchesky. ... and I sure as sh*t hope he doesn't.

I hope he does what's best for the team which, in my opinion, is to move Paul on, sign a new LB or (failing that) play Insua in a team that plays a higher line.

We should get an indicator of which way we will be going depending on who we sign at CB (if we do sign one). A Huth or a Hangeland and I think we will keep the deep line, a Mexes or a Kjaer and we may play further forward. I think Konchesky and Insua are gone either way.

what about djymi traore?

 I'd like to see us defend further up as well S@int, but we definately need a bit of pace at the back if we are going to do it. One bloke who did catch my eye when we played in Europe was the fella I think at Athletico Madrid, I think his name is Peria or something like that. He's like sh** off a shiny shovel, if we had someone like him you could defnd half way line all day long.

I'd like to see us defend further up as well S@int, but we definately need a bit of pace at the back if we are going to do it. One bloke who did catch my eye when we played in Europe was the fella I think at Athletico Madrid, I think his name is Peria or something like that. He's like sh** off a shiny shovel, if we had someone like him you could defnd half way line all day long.

Yeah I noticed him also. His name is Perea and I think he's the fastest central defender in the world.

I'd like to see us defend further up as well S@int, but we definately need a bit of pace at the back if we are going to do it. One bloke who did catch my eye when we played in Europe was the fella I think at Athletico Madrid, I think his name is Peria or something like that. He's like sh** off a shiny shovel, if we had someone like him you could defnd half way line all day long.

I think thats why Ashley Cole is so highly rated not the best defender but plays high up the park and has the pace to get back when needed

It is clear he is finished at the club

I'd like to see us defend further up as well S@int, but we definately need a bit of pace at the back if we are going to do it. One bloke who did catch my eye when we played in Europe was the fella I think at Athletico Madrid, I think his name is Peria or something like that. He's like sh** off a shiny shovel, if we had someone like him you could defnd half way line all day long.

Can't say I have ever heard of him Mick, but I will look out for him now. Would be nice to have some real pace at the back again.

I'd like to see us defend further up as well S@int, but we definately need a bit of pace at the back if we are going to do it. One bloke who did catch my eye when we played in Europe was the fella I think at Athletico Madrid, I think his name is Peria or something like that. He's like sh** off a shiny shovel, if we had someone like him you could defnd half way line all day long.

The lad your talking about is Perea. He is a decent player but he is 31 years of age and I couldn't see NESV backing a move for him, even if there was the slightest interest in him from King Kenny.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/konchesky-out-on-loan

He's gone on loan to Nottingham Forest.

Nice

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/konchesky-out-on-loan

He's gone on loan to Nottingham Forest.

Just about to post the same ^_^
Good news

Good luck.

Good luck Paul!

DONE DEAL: Nottingham Forest's quest for a full-back is over. They have signed Paul Konchesky on loan from Liverpool.

Dossena actually looked like he was capable of playing football when put in midfield.  He was just far too slow, hopelessly so, and couldn't hack it in defence.

I remember saying how Dossena was the worst player I had seen play for us when he had a couple of games at left back.  Fortunately Rafa noticed and brought on Insua quickly who had a good first season.  Dossena got some kudos for some half-decent displays in midfield, plus lobbing the keeper at Old Trafford.

Paul Konchesky probably isn't fit to clean Dossena's boots.  He is that bad in my opinion.

I'm wetting myself.

We should no longer hate Nottingham Forest!!!