NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

Instead of all this squabbling over a loan, how about enjoying that for the moment at least, we haven't got owners who are trying to ruin us and saddle us with as much debt as they possibly can.

Just a thought like...

But the loan will be repaid at the owners convenience without compromising the squad.

There are no external pressure into repaying it back.

That's the beauty.

But it is still debt mate not a gift...... that is my point.

We have total DEBT of £114million ..... not £45million external debt and a gift of £69million .... total debt of £114million.

I have no argument that the £69million is on favourable terms and will probably save us £2million or so in interest this season. But it is debt not a gift.

Instead of all this squabbling over a loan, how about enjoying that for the moment at least, we haven't got owners who are trying to ruin us and saddle us with as much debt as they possibly can.

Just a thought like...

Fair enough mate. Sorry for boring everyone to tears.

But the loan will be repaid at the owners convenience without compromising the squad.

There are no external pressures into repaying it back.

That's the beauty.

Abromovich has given Chelsea plenty of Director loans which the club will have to pay back once he decides to sell in all honesty which I dont think he ever will.

circumstances change if you spent it you owe it. the point is we have spent it and spending in the region of £45mil on Stadium projects that haven't done so much as put a spade in the ground just looks like a terrible waste of money on the clubs behalf.

Maybe the positive point to take from the last few years is that we are resorting to slating the ownership for not being locals, having no emotional connection to the club and it's supporters and for providing a loan that they'll want to recoup at some point.

It could be A LOT worse I suppose.

Frankly don't even know why this thread gets so much traffic....as long as the team on the field is winning games and the club is growing and progressing in the right ways, I couldn't care less if the owners ever get talked about positively or negatively. 

I like to visit this thread regularly to comment on how good a job they're doing

I like to visit this thread regularly to comment on how good a job they're doing

Good for you!

Frankly don't even know why this thread gets so much traffic....as long as the team on the field is winning games and the club is growing and progressing in the right ways, I couldn't care less if the owners ever get talked about positively or negatively. 

I've sort of ended up here now mate, too.

The stadium is getting work done on it and we aren't moving from Anfield.

We've a manager that very nearly won us that elusive Premier League title and is determined to go one better this time around.

We have Champion's League football back at Anfield.

We've got the strongest squad that we've had for a long time.

Ian Ayre has even done well this Summer.

Now I can moan about certain players that I don't rate, but I'd be doing that whoever the manager was, that's just forum life.

I'm just done with talking about owners now. There's positivity all around the club at the moment - we play great stuff. Beautiful, attacking football.

Maybe the squad has only been strengthened because of the freak amount spent on Luis but until the next window, presuming nobody buys another of our players for another huge sum of money, I don't know if these owners would take a risk in the market. By that I mean by spending decent sums when it is needed for us to step on at home and in Europe and without any buy to sell type policy.

Right now though I'm comfortable that they aren't out to screw us, I've come to like, trust and feel comfortable with the capabilities of the manager that they brought in and I'm comfortable with the way we have gone about our business so far to provide us with depth for the coming season.

Progress has been made on the field without leaving us financially insecure and while those two factors keep walking hand in hand I'm not going to be one to moan about the way our club is being run.

They're the two most important factors, everything else comes from them for me.

I've sort of ended up here now mate, too.

The stadium is getting work done on it and we aren't moving from Anfield.

We've a manager that very nearly won us that elusive Premier League title and is determined to go one better this time around.

We have Champion's League football back at Anfield.

We've got the strongest squad that we've had for a long time.

Ian Ayre has even done well this Summer.

Now I can moan about certain players that I don't rate, but I'd be doing that whoever the manager was, that's just forum life.

I'm just done with talking about owners now. There's positivity all around the club at the moment - we play great stuff. Beautiful, attacking football.

Maybe the squad has only been strengthened because of the freak amount spent on Luis but until the next window, presuming nobody buys another of our players for another huge sum of money, I don't know if these owners would take a risk in the market. By that I mean by spending decent sums when it is needed for us to step on at home and in Europe and without any buy to sell type policy.

Right now though I'm comfortable that they aren't out to screw us, I've come to like, trust and feel comfortable with the capabilities of the manager that they brought in and I'm comfortable with the way we have gone about our business so far to provide us with depth for the coming season.

Progress has been made on the field without leaving us financially insecure and while those two factors keep walking hand in hand I'm not going to be one to moan about the way our club is being run.

They're the two most important factors, everything else comes from them for me.

You said it much more intelligently and eloquently than I did. 

Instead of all this squabbling over a loan, how about enjoying that for the moment at least, we haven't got owners who are trying to ruin us and saddle us with as much debt as they possibly can.

Just a thought like...

A very fair point and for me they have done a good job over the lasy year or so.

Personally though I don't think they need to be praised for doing the very job that they should be doing and I prefer to focus my praise on the football side of things as far as the club goes.

Having said that though FSG did appoint Brendan and it was a brave move and one that seems to have paid off.

They also seem to have got him the players he wanted this summer and it's all I ask of any owner so this added to the movement on the stadium means all is well right now where FSG are concerned.

Just don't expect me in here every day or so gushing with praise for stuff I expect of them as a matter of course.

But it is still debt mate not a gift...... that is my point.

We have total DEBT of £114million ..... not £45million external debt and a gift of £69million .... total debt of £114million.

I have no argument that the £69million is on favourable terms and will probably save us £2million or so in interest this season. But it is debt not a gift.

Although FSG have lost out on potential interest that they could have earned by granting Liverpool an interest free loan.

Opportunity cost

Encouraging start to the season without Suarez; I would say we have been as good as anyone apart from Chelsea on the evidence of our matches so far.

It will be interesting to see our strategy in the upcoming transfer window - despite our spending I suspect we still have a card up our sleeve depending on how the season goes.

Nevertheless, it's nice to see the owners have served a large cold glass of shut-the-f**k-up to the usual moaners. Do enjoy your drink boys

So what was our total net spend in the end during this transfer window?

So what was our total net spend in the end during this transfer window?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/poll/2014/sep/02/premier-league-clubs-transfer-window-grades

More than Man City and Chelsea - our two nearest rivals (despite us not yet having Champion's League income) and less than Man United.

So what was our total net spend in the end during this transfer window?

£30 million I think (£115 mill spent - £75 mill for Suarez) which would mean we spent about half the original transfer budget for this Summer. Hopefully we have some left in the kitty for Jan.

£30 million I think (£115 mill spent - £75 mill for Suarez) which would mean we spent about half the original transfer budget for this Summer. Hopefully we have some left in the kitty for Jan.

Not even £30M mate. People seem to think the Lallana fee was £25mill up front or whatever but have only paid 18.

A lower net spend than Everton. FSG out! Useless bunch of wankers.

£30 million I think (£115 mill spent - £75 mill for Suarez) which would mean we spent about half the original transfer budget for this Summer. Hopefully we have some left in the kitty for Jan.

115 - 75 was 40 when I went to school   

Not even £30M mate. People seem to think the Lallana fee was £25mill up front or whatever but have only paid 18.

I know the later arguments talk about lower fees for Lallana but do we really think Barcelona paid us 75m up front?   

Moreno - £12 million
Lovren - £20 million
Manquillo - Loan
Can - £10 million
Lallana - £23 million
Markovic - £20 million
Balotelli - £16 million
Lambert - £4 million
Origi - £10 million

£115 million incoming

Outgoings:

Suarez - £75 million (I refuse to believe the £65 million fee)
Reina - £2 million
Kelly £1.5 million
Jack Robinson - £1 million
Daniel Agger - £3 million
Conor Coady - 0.5 million
Assaidi - £1 million (loan fee)

Outgoings: £84 million

Net spend £115 - 84 = £31 million

And most of the incomings are including add ons which I included.

IN:

Rickie Lambert - (Southampton) £4M
Adam Lallana - (Southampton) £18M + add ons (potentially £23M)
Emre Can - (Bayer Leverkusen) £9.75M
Lazar Markovic - (Benfica) £18M
Dejan Lovren - (Southampton) £18M
Divock Origi - (Lille) £10M
Alberto Moren - (Sevilla) £12M
Mario Balotelli - (AC Milan) £16M

OUT:

Luis Suarez - (Barcelona) £75M
Conor Coady - (Huddersfield Town) 550K
Pepe Reina - (Bayern Munich) £2M
Martin Kelly (Crystal Palace) £1.5M
Kristoffer Peterson (FC Utrecht) Undisclosed
Jack Robinson (QPR) £1M
Daniel Agger (Brondby) £3M

LOAN DEALS IN:

Javier Manquillo - (Atletico Madrid) 2 Year Loan

LOAN DEALS OUT:

Luis Alberto - (Malaga) Season-long
Iago Aspas - (Sevilla) Season-long + (Option to Buy)
Andre Wisdom - (West Brom) Season-long
Divock Origi - (Lille) Season-long
Rafa Paez - (Bologna) Season-long + (Option to Buy)
Brad Smith - (Swindon Town) Season-long
Joao Carlos Teixeira - (Brighton) Season-long
Tiago Ilori - (Bordeaux) Season-long
Jordon Ibe - (Derby County) Season-long
Sebastian Coates (Sunderland) Season-long
Oussama Assaidi (Stoke) £1M Season-long

PLAYERS BACK FROM LOANS:

Pepe Reina (Napoli)
Tiago Ilori (Granada)
Fabio Borini (Sunderland)
Suso (Almeria)
Oussama Assaidi (Stoke)

PLAYERS RELEASED FROM CONTRACT:

Stephen Sama
Jakub Sokolik - (Gone to Yeovil Town)
Craig Roddan
Michael Ngoo - (Gone to Kilmarnock)
Yusuf Mersin - (Gone to Kasimpasa)
Villyan Bijev - (Gone to Slavia Sofia)
Yalany Baio
Armin Hodzic - (Gone to Dinamo Zagreb)

FINANCIALS:

Transfer Spending: £107.75M

Received: £84.05M

TOTAL SPENT: £23.7M




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but do we really think Barcelona paid us 75m up front?

I do actually, I expect we demanded every penny upfront.

So what was our total net spend in the end during this transfer window?

Does it matter if the boss got all the players he wanted?

DON'T WE HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON THE SUAREZ DEAL.   Which would be at least 10m or are we operating from Dubai!