NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

Jesus wept man we need to rebuild

We don’t need to “rebuild”


We need key players back and fit


We will need at add during the summer or potentially replace some but not a “rebuild”

Talk about embellishing for dramatic affect 🤦‍♂️


How about this version


FSG buy club with a mountain of leveraged debt and a team full of sub standard players along with multiple disinterested players - they clearly state what the model of the club will be - self sufficient

As it’s their first step into football they bring in Comolli, sack Hodgson , bring back Kenny to help steer the ship until the end of season as well as sign a couple of players

Kenny does well but we end up 6th - now the choice is stick with Kenny or thank him for the job and move on - they stuck with him and backed him with some expensive signings - Downing etc - we win the league cup , great but end up 8th in the league , nowhere near good enough or what is needed to move forward so Kenny is let go - emotional a hard choice but fundamentally the correct one

They then bring in an up and coming coach to try and move us forward - he is also backed in the transfer market - we finish 7th another poor season

Our best player tries everything he can to leave - including biting a player but we refuse to sell

The owners spend more money bringing players in - we go on to have our best season for years but just miss out on the title

That summer our best player once again bites a player in the World Cup and tries to force himself out of the club - this time we sell because it’s what is best

The money is then spent - in fact our biggest spending summer in history at that £120mil -we once again drop down out of CL places

That summer the manager is once again backed - another £80mil

But after a poor start they decided to make the change by bringing in Klopp and finish the season 8th


That summer Klopp is backed and players like Mane and Gini arrive - we finish 4th

The next summer we bring in Robbo , Ox and Klopp wanted Brandt but Edwards and the recruiting team suggested Salah - so they bring in Salah - Coutinho our best player does everything he can to force his way out so we sell up and use the money to bring the CB they wanted in the summer

We finish top 4 again but lose in the CL final

The club then have their record transfer window £160mil on - Fabinho , Allison , Keita etc - we go on to have a stellar season win the CL , push City all the way to in the title - I remember “F***ing Origi” with those goals against Barcelona and Everton and in the CL final , Shaqiri with the winner against the Mancs and balls in for the Barce win

That summer it’s a quiet one , couple young players and a back up GK plus Minamino in the winter - we win the league but Covid happens , the season is extended , the stadiums are empty , the league is stopped at one stage

But we win that title - it took a lot of hard work , ups and downs , money spent , a couple of managers but after 10 years they found the right balance on and off the field


So onto this summer - Covid has hit the clubs finances , many clubs aren’t really spending but we still go out and buy 3 players to cover areas we needed

No talk of rebuild needed just adding to one of the best squads in Europe

Season starts with a short pre season

We start well - clearly still the best team in the league then the Derby happens

VVD out for the season , Thiago out for months , then Gomez out for the season , Mane Covid , Salah Covid , Alisson injured , TAA injured , Keita injured , Henderson injured, Jota injured , Shaqiri injured, even Origi injured , Matip injured , Fabinho injured

We have an unprecedented level of injuries , our spin is ripped apart - we go into Jan battling away but then lose Matip for the season

Because of Covid the Jan window is not the easiest and this is where they maybe didn’t act quick enough but then who knows what is going on in the background

So now despite there being no calls for a rebuild in the summer we need one know ?!?


We don’t need a rebuild we need our spine fit

We need VVD , Gomez , Fabinho , Jota , Henderson fit , we need a proper pre season , a good rest - the squad needs to recover from the injuries , we need to hope that Covid hasn’t affected the finances of the club too much

And in the summer the club will look to bring players in and I have no doubt it will be the right players and players will not have to ve sacrificed to bring them in and when we do start winning again maybe people won’t say a word about the work done behind the scenes

What an extraordinary statement, full of contradiction and half truth.

The owners say the club will be self sufficient yet time and time again references are made to the owners bringing in players!!
The club implemented a sell to buy policy as a way of bringing in top players in view of FSG’s finance veto.

LFC are now worth £2bn on the markets with little help from FSG, why don’t they feed the investment?

What an extraordinary statement, full of contradiction and half truth.

The owners say the club will be self sufficient yet time and time again references are made to the owners bringing in players!!
The club implemented a sell to buy policy as a way of bringing in top players in view of FSG’s finance veto.

LFC are now worth £2bn on the markets with little help from FSG, why don’t they feed the investment?

Yes the club is self sufficient

And is it not the owners that are spending the money ? It’s their club - their money at the end of the day

And there is no “sell to buy policy”


Who have we sold just so that we can buy someone else ? Please just tell me one player that we had to sell just so we can buy a player


What’s this “feed the investment” stuff ?


Again where do people like yourself want the money to come from to “feed the investment”

There is no difference


Players left and we used the money to improve


Just like we did with Coutinho leaving

A massive difference,the money that the CL and PL generate for FSG today should reep bigger rewards for Jürgen in the transfer market,leaving the CB's to last day of the window was inexcusable,everyone on here saying it's because Matip got injured and was out for the rest of the season but they brought 2 CB's in???

A massive difference,the money that the CL and PL generate for FSG today should reep bigger rewards for Jürgen in the transfer market,leaving the CB's to last day of the window was inexcusable,everyone on here saying it's because Matip got injured and was out for the rest of the season but they brought 2 CB's in???

It’s all relative - we sold great players in the past and then used those funds to purchase other players


Fees have gone up , wages have gone up

All that money earned from the CL win and Prem league gets sucked up by one of the biggest wage bills around.


One of the biggest issues we have is the lack of matchday revenue affecting the level of spending power we will have

We don’t have bundles of cash sitting around waiting to be spent

Talk about embellishing for dramatic affect 🤦‍♂️


How about this version


FSG buy club with a mountain of leveraged debt and a team full of sub standard players along with multiple disinterested players - they clearly state what the model of the club will be - self sufficient

As it’s their first step into football they bring in Comolli, sack Hodgson , bring back Kenny to help steer the ship until the end of season as well as sign a couple of players

Kenny does well but we end up 6th - now the choice is stick with Kenny or thank him for the job and move on - they stuck with him and backed him with some expensive signings - Downing etc - we win the league cup , great but end up 8th in the league , nowhere near good enough or what is needed to move forward so Kenny is let go - emotional a hard choice but fundamentally the correct one

They then bring in an up and coming coach to try and move us forward - he is also backed in the transfer market - we finish 7th another poor season

Our best player tries everything he can to leave - including biting a player but we refuse to sell

The owners spend more money bringing players in - we go on to have our best season for years but just miss out on the title

That summer our best player once again bites a player in the World Cup and tries to force himself out of the club - this time we sell because it’s what is best

The money is then spent - in fact our biggest spending summer in history at that £120mil -we once again drop down out of CL places

That summer the manager is once again backed - another £80mil

But after a poor start they decided to make the change by bringing in Klopp and finish the season 8th


That summer Klopp is backed and players like Mane and Gini arrive - we finish 4th

The next summer we bring in Robbo , Ox and Klopp wanted Brandt but Edwards and the recruiting team suggested Salah - so they bring in Salah - Coutinho our best player does everything he can to force his way out so we sell up and use the money to bring the CB they wanted in the summer

We finish top 4 again but lose in the CL final

The club then have their record transfer window £160mil on - Fabinho , Allison , Keita etc - we go on to have a stellar season win the CL , push City all the way to in the title - I remember “f**king Origi” with those goals against Barcelona and Everton and in the CL final , Shaqiri with the winner against the Mancs and balls in for the Barce win

That summer it’s a quiet one , couple young players and a back up GK plus Minamino in the winter - we win the league but Covid happens , the season is extended , the stadiums are empty , the league is stopped at one stage

But we win that title - it took a lot of hard work , ups and downs , money spent , a couple of managers but after 10 years they found the right balance on and off the field


So onto this summer - Covid has hit the clubs finances , many clubs aren’t really spending but we still go out and buy 3 players to cover areas we needed

No talk of rebuild needed just adding to one of the best squads in Europe

Season starts with a short pre season

We start well - clearly still the best team in the league then the Derby happens

VVD out for the season , Thiago out for months , then Gomez out for the season , Mane Covid , Salah Covid , Alisson injured , TAA injured , Keita injured , Henderson injured, Jota injured , Shaqiri injured, even Origi injured , Matip injured , Fabinho injured

We have an unprecedented level of injuries , our spin is ripped apart - we go into Jan battling away but then lose Matip for the season

Because of Covid the Jan window is not the easiest and this is where they maybe didn’t act quick enough but then who knows what is going on in the background

So now despite there being no calls for a rebuild in the summer we need one know ?!?


We don’t need a rebuild we need our spine fit

We need VVD , Gomez , Fabinho , Jota , Henderson fit , we need a proper pre season , a good rest - the squad needs to recover from the injuries , we need to hope that Covid hasn’t affected the finances of the club too much

And in the summer the club will look to bring players in and I have no doubt it will be the right players and players will not have to ve sacrificed to bring them in and when we do start winning again maybe people won’t say a word about the work done behind the scenes

Thanks for the history lesson and wow 5+.Two reasons for our successes is Jürgen(and his back room team) and the players themselves,FSG hit the jackpot with the genius that is Jürgen Klopp,NO manager on this planet wins the PL and the CL with a net spend of 20M, even Leicester's was more when they won the PL,So lick FSG's balls all you want but the fact is they are business people here for one reason,FSG would be happy getting top 4 every season and winning nothing.When Jürgen leaves the cash cow will dry up unless they hit the jackpot again and all you FSG lovers will be speaking a different voice.Support Jürgen and the team and not a business model created to make money.

What an extraordinary statement, full of contradiction and half truth.

The owners say the club will be self sufficient yet time and time again references are made to the owners bringing in players!!
The club implemented a sell to buy policy as a way of bringing in top players in view of FSG’s finance veto.

LFC are now worth £2bn on the markets with little help from FSG, why don’t they feed the investment?

top post Stuey

It’s all relative - we sold great players in the past and then used those funds to purchase other players


Fees have gone up , wages have gone up

All that money earned from the CL win and Prem league gets sucked up by one of the biggest wage bills around.


One of the biggest issues we have is the lack of matchday revenue affecting the level of spending power we will have

We don’t have bundles of cash sitting around waiting to be spent

The reason FSG hand big contracts out is to protect their investments and not let players run down their contracts and leave for nothing,FSG showed with the CB situation that they only acted at the last minute not to support Jürgen as they would have bought in CB's at the start of the window but because their hands were forced,please explain how clubs not in Europe and hoovering mid table and near the bottom of the PL can have a higher net spend?Stoke City in the championship have a similar net spend to us (20.3m) in the last 5 years!Posters on here are mentioning the net spend as they didn't support Jürgen at the start of the window when we had lost both our first choice CB'S(one being the best CB in the world)that's why it has become an issue.Wake up and smell the coffee instead of FSG arses.

Thanks for the history lesson and wow 5+.Two reasons for our successes is Jürgen(and his back room team) and the players themselves,FSG hit the jackpot with the genius that is Jürgen Klopp,NO manager on this planet wins the PL and the CL with a net spend of 20M, even Leicester's was more when they won the PL,So lick FSG's balls all you want but the fact is they are business people here for one reason,FSG would be happy getting top 4 every season and winning nothing.When Jürgen leaves the cash cow will dry up unless they hit the jackpot again and all you FSG lovers will be speaking a different voice.Support Jürgen and the team and not a business model created to make money.

Oh deary me


Why are people like you constantly just focused on “net spend”


If we sold one player for £500mil and then bought 5 world class players for £100mil and then won loads would you be crying about the level of “net spend” being zero ?

Surely all that matters is what players arrive -

Shouldn’t they fact the club managed to get great prices on players that we don’t need


We won the Prem Lge and CL because we bought outstanding players - the worlds best CB and GK , one of the worlds best DM , two of the worlds best wide players

Did you give a sh*t about net spend we won the CL or league ?

Man Utd have outspent us by fortunes in the last 5 years - what have they won ?

The reason FSG hand big contracts out is to protect their investments and not let players run down their contracts and leave for nothing,FSG showed with the CB situation that they only acted at the last minute not to support Jürgen as they would have bought in CB's at the start of the window but because their hands were forced,please explain how clubs not in Europe and hoovering mid table and near the bottom of the PL can have a higher net spend?Stoke City in the championship have a similar net spend to us (20.3m) in the last 5 years!Posters on here are mentioning the net spend as they didn't support Jürgen at the start of the window when we had lost both our first choice CB'S(one being the best CB in the world)that's why it has become an issue.Wake up and smell the coffee instead of FSG arses.

Net spend again - is that the only way you judge things on net bloody spend


Do you even understand it or are you just regurgitating bullshit you have seen others post


Who cares if Stoke have the same level of “net spend” - what difference does it make


Are you only interested in watching owners spend spend spend

Yes the club is self sufficient

And is it not the owners that are spending the money ? It’s their club - their money at the end of the day

And there is no “sell to buy policy”


Who have we sold just so that we can buy someone else ? Please just tell me one player that we had to sell just so we can buy a player


What’s this “feed the investment” stuff ?


Again where do people like yourself want the money to come from to “feed the investment”

So let me alter the perspective a little. Say Jürgen doesn’t win the league and CL in his first 4 and a bit years, he doesn’t qualify for the CL once and we benefit from no premium tv handouts and CL participation and bonus monies. Now these two streams in addition to slightly savyer commercial management (sponsorship, merchandise) are the biggest contributors to a positive balance sheet yes I’ve looked at our last published financial statement, at what point do FSG draw a line on a bleeding investment in their portfolio? They’ve shown they can act quickly in replacing a manager Klopp is their 4th it’s all hypotheticals but if Klopp doesn’t win the two big titles we don’t benefit from the top tier distribution meaning we would be reporting a loss.

I can appreciate their transparency in sharing their model but surely you can’t deny they got lucky with Klopp his onfield success has directly correlated with the financial result and value of the club. They might not cash in now due to the global pandemic but when they eventually do they will be reaping massive profits out of a long term and strategic investment.

They said when they took over they wanted to

atteact top players
Compete for trophies
Create a culture of winning

On which of those have they failed?

Some have issue with the transfer policy. Take Werner, Im sure that pissed off a few. I get that, really I do, but what I dont get annoyed at  is the fact its nothing they said they would not do at the off, they have not lied to me.

Totally respect peoples views and its something that clashes in opinion will continue on but I dont think Ive read any posts saying who the owners should be. Who will come in and pump the billlions you want in to compete with city but not want anything in return? Who do you want coming in that has no human righs issues behind them or who wont get us a ban for breaking fair play rules?

All well and good having issues with something but at least give those of us who dont have a problem your soloutions

So let me alter the perspective a little. Say Jürgen doesn’t win the league and CL in his first 4 and a bit years, he doesn’t qualify for the CL once and we benefit from no premium tv handouts and CL participation and bonus monies. Now these two streams in addition to slightly savyer commercial management (sponsorship, merchandise) are the biggest contributors to a positive balance sheet yes I’ve looked at our last published financial statement, at what point do FSG draw a line on a bleeding investment in their portfolio? They’ve shown they can act quickly in replacing a manager Klopp is their 4th it’s all hypotheticals but if Klopp doesn’t win the two big titles we don’t benefit from the top tier distribution meaning we would be reporting a loss.

I can appreciate their transparency in sharing their model but surely you can’t deny they got lucky with Klopp his onfield success has directly correlated with the financial result and value of the club. They might not cash in now due to the global pandemic but when they eventually do they will be reaping massive profits out of a long term and strategic investment.

Got “lucky “ hiring Klopp

Why was it lucky that they managed to hire a manager who was proven to work under the same level of manager ? A manager who had already won two titles in Germany and also did well in the CL ?

Why is it luck ? Can it not be great management to hire him ?


Why is is lucky that they have managed to improve huge levels of off the field income steams as well - commercially that massively improved

Also the set up including Edwards - was that lucky as well

Why is it that when things actually work out the way the club is set up it’s down to luck ?


Is it not great work to employ Klopp , then great work to get the players into the club , then it’s Klopps great work to mould the players to be successful

Is it not possible that the owners made the right choices - they employed the right person and it wasn’t lucky it’s was just great business choice - maybe it was good fortune that the timing was right for them


If they make poor choices on managers previously then surely it’s a good choice when the manager works out.


I just don’t understand that when things work out we try and look for faults

Got “lucky “ hiring Klopp

Why was it lucky that they managed to hire a manager who was proven to work under the same level of manager ? A manager who had already won two titles in Germany and also did well in the CL ?

Why is it luck ? Can it not be great management to hire him ?


Why is is lucky that they have managed to improve huge levels of off the field income steams as well - commercially that massively improved

Also the set up including Edwards - was that lucky as well

Why is it that when things actually work out the way the club is set up it’s down to luck ?


Is it not great work to employ Klopp , then great work to get the players into the club , then it’s Klopps great work to mould the players to be successful

Is it not possible that the owners made the right choices - they employed the right person and it wasn’t lucky it’s was just great business choice

If they make poor choices on managers previously then surely it’s a good choice when the manager works out.

They got lucky because he worked out and he’s overachieved is what I meant to say. There was no plan he could have drawn up or presented that would have him play 2 finals in less than 12 months. That was his laying foundation we also learnt he hasn’t always got his top targets either but has rolled with the punches and he continues to do so.

As I said they have been savy in commercializing the club but the biggest driver and positive change on the balance sheet has been as a direct result of the man in the dugout in charge of onfield performance. Had he not qualified for the CL after 3 years he would have gone the same route as Rodgers.

You can’t seriously with a straight face tell me waiting until deadline day to confirm your last senior CB as gone for the season before scrapping the barrel in 11th hour is anything but negligence.

Could have sorted Koulibaly or Upemcamo or Berg in summer but didn’t and don’t be naive in thinking it was Klopps decision to not do so.

They said when they took over they wanted to

atteact top players
Compete for trophies
Create a culture of winning

On which of those have they failed?

Some have issue with the transfer policy. Take Werner, Im sure that pissed off a few. I get that, really I do, but what I dont get annoyed at  is the fact its nothing they said they would not do at the off, they have not lied to me.

Totally respect peoples views and its something that clashes in opinion will continue on but I dont think Ive read any posts saying who the owners should be. Who will come in and pump the billlions you want in to compete with city but not want anything in return? Who do you want coming in that has no human righs issues behind them or who wont get us a ban for breaking fair play rules?

All well and good having issues with something but at least give those of us who dont have a problem your soloutions

Those 3 things are literally sound bites any new owner would make. No one is asking for unethical billionaires to bankroll us nor an overhaul something you created a thread about oddly enough only a week ago, but backing the manager with an addition to what was in the summer the best squad in the world with a few signings would have gone a long way. As i said above its naive and daft to think Klopp didn’t want a 4th choice cb in the summer just because he didn’t carry on with a big song and dance about publicly it doesn’t mean he was not disappointed privately.

So let me alter the perspective a little. Say Jürgen doesn’t win the league and CL in his first 4 and a bit years, he doesn’t qualify for the CL once and we benefit from no premium tv handouts and CL participation and bonus monies. Now these two streams in addition to slightly savyer commercial management (sponsorship, merchandise) are the biggest contributors to a positive balance sheet yes I’ve looked at our last published financial statement, at what point do FSG draw a line on a bleeding investment in their portfolio? They’ve shown they can act quickly in replacing a manager Klopp is their 4th it’s all hypotheticals but if Klopp doesn’t win the two big titles we don’t benefit from the top tier distribution meaning we would be reporting a loss.

I can appreciate their transparency in sharing their model but surely you can’t deny they got lucky with Klopp his onfield success has directly correlated with the financial result and value of the club. They might not cash in now due to the global pandemic but when they eventually do they will be reaping massive profits out of a long term and strategic investment.

A fair and informative comment.

It is ironic and indicative that our owners make long term decisions financially yet in a football context there is an air of panic surrounding LFC!

 As previously posted Jürgen should have been allowed to strengthen strategic areas of play on the back of our success last season, a lack of forward thinking has resulted in our current demise.
The FSG crew still regurgitate parrot fashion the same hype and horseshit when those faulted policies see us playing catch up.

Those 3 things are literally sound bites any new owner would make. No one is asking for unethical billionaires to bankroll us nor an overhaul something you created a thread about oddly enough only a week ago, but backing the manager with an addition to what was in the summer the best squad in the world with a few signings would have gone a long way. As i said above its naive and daft to think Klopp didn’t want a 4th choice cb in the summer just because he didn’t carry on with a big song and dance about publicly it doesn’t mean he was not disappointed privately.

The topic I started is a conversation to see what the view on refereshing the squad is amongst fans, in reality what we discuss has f**k all relevance to the discussion were having in this topic.

Yes when we sold Lovern we should have replaced  him, and it didnt have to be Koulibaly etc. Jürgen stated many times he likes a compact squad so how do you or anyone else know he didnt want one on? Maybe he said with the 3 remaining and others like Fab we would get away it, then enter injuryfest 2020....not saying thats what he said but we cant say its not how it played out for certain either.

So aside from not signing a centre half  last summer and not being carefree with cash what else makes them public enemy number 1?

And who replaces them for you?

The topic I started is a conversation to see what the view on refereshing the squad is amongst fans, in reality what we discuss has f**k all relevance to the discussion were having in this topic.

Yes when we sold Lovern we should have replaced  him, and it didnt have to be Koulibaly etc. Jürgen stated many times he likes a compact squad so how do you or anyone else know he didnt want one on? Maybe he said with the 3 remaining and others like Fab we would get away it, then enter injuryfest 2020....not saying thats what he said but we cant say its not how it played out for certain either.

So aside from not signing a centre half  last summer and not being carefree with cash what else makes them public enemy number 1?

And who replaces them for you?

So the worlds best manager going into a new season defending a historic record breaking league title, gunning for European glory, and on paper at that point being a red hot favorite for any competition coming his way knowingly plans to go into a campaign with 3 cbs? Sounds daft and naive I didn’t say they needed to spend 80 on koulibaly but there were also other options looked at. One doesn’t have to be a forensic accountant to pick up a thread of us only bringing in when something goes out, happened again in the summer and the Jota deal has a net outlay of 5m this financial year <10% of the profit they banked after all things we’re considered. It’s not exactly pouring all profits into squad is it?

I’m a football fan I follow footie players not owners so wouldn’t have a clue but whoever it was I would want them to back the manager 100% all the time every time.

They got lucky because he worked out and he’s overachieved is what I meant to say. There was no plan he could have drawn up or presented that would have him play 2 finals in less than 12 months. That was his laying foundation we also learnt he hasn’t always got his top targets either but has rolled with the punches and he continues to do so.

As I said they have been savy in commercializing the club but the biggest driver and positive change on the balance sheet has been as a direct result of the man in the dugout in charge of onfield performance. Had he not qualified for the CL after 3 years he would have gone the same route as Rodgers.

You can’t seriously with a straight face tell me waiting until deadline day to confirm your last senior CB as gone for the season before scrapping the barrel in 11th hour is anything but negligence.

Could have sorted Koulibaly or Upemcamo or Berg in summer but didn’t and don’t be naive in thinking it was Klopps decision to not do so.

So does that mean every single team gets lucky when they win ?


Why have we “overachieved”

We seem to want to downplay the achievements when we do well


There is no doubt many players could  have been sorted in the summer but they went with Thiago Jota and Tsimikas- three areas we needed

We weren’t flush with money to spend because of Covid - Kouiballu would cost upwards of £80mil , Upemecanos fee was going to reduce this coming summer

We aren’t going to get every single target that the manager wants - it’s not some football game


Why are you talking about things that didn’t happen ? We did Qualify for the CL


And yes the performance on the field does affects the overall commercial income - that will happen at most clubs

So does that mean every single team gets lucky when they win ?


Why have we “overachieved”

We seem to want to downplay the achievements when we do well

Ah I see your one of those that don’t have any substance behind anything and just use deflection by asking questions.

First it was “go read the accounts” - I did and now it’s mundane deflection tactics.

Overachieved because of Klopp simple with some luck along the way too.

Those 3 things are literally sound bites any new owner would make. No one is asking for unethical billionaires to bankroll us nor an overhaul something you created a thread about oddly enough only a week ago, but backing the manager with an addition to what was in the summer the best squad in the world with a few signings would have gone a long way. As i said above its naive and daft to think Klopp didn’t want a 4th choice cb in the summer just because he didn’t carry on with a big song and dance about publicly it doesn’t mean he was not disappointed privately.

Where do you want the money to come from to give this additional backing

Where do you want the money to come from to give this additional backing

Read the accounts as you say. There’s profit left on the table not everything went back in to the squad. Profit after all expenses and operating costs were covered including wages.

Ah I see your one of those that don’t have any substance behind anything and just use deflection by asking questions.

First it was “go read the accounts” - I did and now it’s mundane deflection tactics.

Overachieved because of Klopp simple with some luck along the way too.

What deflection ?

You put everything down to Luck

We haven’t “overachieved” - we have won because we have complied a world class team looked after by a world class manager .

Unless you believe the team wasnt good enough to win the title and CL and it was only down to Klopp and luck that we won both - so what should we have achieved


One person doesn’t make a team successful- it’s not all down to Klopp , he doesn’t work without the support behind him