NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

We waited to get the right man like we always have done.

The manager being the guy he is let Lovren go to allow him to play more football and thought we had enough cover. Circumstances went way beyond the norm on that one as we all know.

I’m sure the 11m fee was a factor too.

I think the club have sold/released 19 players & bought in 1 (Konate)..

Majority of those players are from the U23’s or players that have been out on loan for the last however many years and have never come close to being part of the first team so I wouldn’t be worried about including them. The significant departures were Shaq and Gini and to an extent Wilson and Grujic, that’s all. None of the others were ever going to play any part.

For those who have said about Konate being bought to replace Lovren. Isn't that exactly what we needed to do? Or am I missing something.

Don’t really buy the whole Konate being Lovren’s replacement narrative. Lovren was sold with the belief we didn’t entirely need him and when he left, Klopp spoke about Fab’s ability to play CB if needed. Lovren was 4th choice and his replacement was effectively Fabinho who then became 4th choice.

Konate has been signed because of his age and ability and also because last season was a complete disaster with player availability. Not to replace Lovren a year later.

In hindsight it was a silly decision by the club, whether that’s Klopp, Edwards, the owners or all of them combined to enter a new season with 3 out and out CB’s when 2 of them are very injury prone and are lucky to string a run of games in the side without any issues. But that’s why hindsight is a wonderful thing, you live and you learn.

I’m sure the 11m fee was a factor too.

We'll you do like to get money when you sell a player no?

Majority of those players are from the U23’s or players that have been out on loan for the last however many years and have never come close to being part of the first team so I wouldn’t be worried about including them. The significant departures were Shaq and Gini and to an extent Wilson and Grujic, that’s all. None of the others were ever going to play any part.


Don’t really buy the whole Konate being Lovren’s replacement narrative. Lovren was sold with the belief we didn’t entirely need him and when he left, Klopp spoke about Fab’s ability to play CB if needed. Lovren was 4th choice and his replacement was effectively Fabinho who then became 4th choice.

Konate has been signed because of his age and ability and also because last season was a complete disaster with player availability. Not to replace Lovren a year later.

In hindsight it was a silly decision by the club, whether that’s Klopp, Edwards, the owners or all of them combined to enter a new season with 3 out and out CB’s when 2 of them are very injury prone and are lucky to string a run of games in the side without any issues. But that’s why hindsight is a wonderful thing, you live and you learn.

A rather long winded explanation of how faulted economic strategy completely fu**ed up the essence and primary objective of this club’s existence.

A rather long winded explanation of how faulted economic strategy completely fu**ed up the essence and primary objective of this club’s existence.

My post was nothing about the economic position at the club, it was about the view that Konate is Lovren’s replacement.

But we don’t know it was an economic strategy do we? It’s an assumption.
The one thing that isn’t an assumption is that regardless of the reason why another CB wasn’t signed last summer, it turned out to be the wrong decision.

It’s good to see that even after having a year off the forum, this topic is literally still going around in the same circles with the same people making the same repeated arguments.

We'll you do like to get money when you sell a player no?

The point I’m trying to make is it enticed the corporates to sell him rather than keep him and lose him on a free once an offer was tabled. Before you go citing Gini I don’t recall any external offers being made for him when he was a year out from his deal expiring.

My post was nothing about the economic position at the club, it was about the view that Konate is Lovren’s replacement.

But we don’t know it was an economic strategy do we? It’s an assumption.
The one thing that isn’t an assumption is that regardless of the reason why another CB wasn’t signed last summer, it turned out to be the wrong decision.

It’s good to see that even after having a year off the forum, this topic is literally still going around in the same circles with the same people making the same repeated arguments.

The obvious reason for the topic remaining relative is the essential thrust of its existence and proof of which was the club's failure to retain the title last season!

LFC is one of the most successful clubs globally with an ever growing fan base, NESV recognised the fact and spent shy of £400M aquiring the club.
Barring the fraudulent activities of H&G LFC is a guaranteed asset, why don't NESV with their business acumen, feed the asset instead of gambling on the genius of Jürgen Klopp to maybe give us a top 4 placing?

When Klopp goes does it not concern you that we will be at the mercy of stock market players who refuse to back the club in the only way that can bring success - buying quality players?
Not talking about the likes of Citeh or Chelsea with bottomless money pits but owners who appreciate the long term benefits of getting their hands in their pockets when crisis demands, last season is a case in point!

You would think the penny would have dropped  for FSG when Klopp/Edwards bought Ali & VVD that quality brings success..

You would think the penny would have dropped  for FSG when Klopp/Edwards bought Ali & VVD that quality brings success..

The only money movement FSG appreciate is the upward fluctuation of the market value on the stock exchange.

The only money movement FSG appreciate is the upward fluctuation of the market value on the stock exchange.

🤷‍♂️ Didnt think the club was a public ltd company and was floated on the stock exchange 🤷‍♂️

You would think the penny would have dropped  for FSG when Klopp/Edwards bought Ali & VVD that quality brings success..

What about the other players of quality that were purchased without needing to spend big


Mane
Mo
Gini
Keita
Fabinho
Robbo
Matip
Ox

Many other players that were also key to winning the league and CL ?


VVD and Alisson were the final pieces but the other pieces were as key

You would think the penny would have dropped  for FSG when Klopp/Edwards bought Ali & VVD that quality brings success..

Probably why they went and bought Thiago, Jota and Konate then.

Selling players we don't need to buy players we do.

What a terrible way to run a football club eh?

The problem is any top player on the market is a player we need. Any target we miss out on is world class, and is the solution to our problems. But they're deem pedestrian, ordinary, invisible, vulnerable to injury the moment they join us. But when they leave us to join a top club like Barca or Real or PSG, we immediately realise that we are missing this "world class" player. And any top player in the market is the solution for this void. But they are deem...  ...the moment they join us... There's no end...

We are what we are, we do not have Arabs or Russians backing us so we need to be happy with what we have.

At least, we are not selling our stars.

My post was nothing about the economic position at the club, it was about the view that Konate is Lovren’s replacement.

But we don’t know it was an economic strategy do we? It’s an assumption.
The one thing that isn’t an assumption is that regardless of the reason why another CB wasn’t signed last summer, it turned out to be the wrong decision.

It’s good to see that even after having a year off the forum, this topic is literally still going around in the same circles with the same people making the same repeated arguments.

At one point i think we had all 4 top CB options injured last season (Van Dijk, Matip, Gomez and Fabinho) so regardless of who replaced Lovren and when, no one can absorb that many injuries in one position.

Last year we entered the season with 5 CBs (Van Dijk, Matip, Gomez, Philipps, Rhys) + Fabinho and everyone was melting down over the lack of CB options, yet Phillips and Rhys played down the final month of the season when we had one of our best run of games and finished 3rd.

With Rhys and Davies out on loan, this year we're going into the season with 5 CBs (Van Dijk, Gomez, Matip, Konate, Phillips) + Fabinho, so same as last season but no one is melting down over that this time around because the narrative has moved on to something else.

Our problem's in defense last year wasn't because of quality but because of volume but you can never plan for losing 4 players at one position at the same time.

Regarding Fabinho, as you mentioned, Klopp did reference him playing CB, and Fabinho himself was quoted in some article that he's been doing some training at CB since joining the club.

The point I’m trying to make is it enticed the corporates to sell him rather than keep him and lose him on a free once an offer was tabled. Before you go citing Gini I don’t recall any external offers being made for him when he was a year out from his deal expiring.

Obviously a flawed point since on top of Gini we also let Lallana and Can go on a free.

Obviously a flawed point since on top of Gini we also let Lallana and Can go on a free.

Because we didn’t receive a monetary offer for either. But thanks for wading in.

Because we didn’t receive a monetary offer for either. But thanks for wading in.

Doesn't mean we wouldn't have if we had formally offered them as available. We've been able to get offers for barely fringe players like Ejaria, Klavan, Kent, etc so if you don't think we would have been able to get a fee for 3 players who all were with the first team, then the joke's on you.

The problem is any top player on the market is a player we need. Any target we miss out on is world class, and is the solution to our problems.

We don't bother targetting anyone let alone miss out on them 😂

Because we didn’t receive a monetary offer for either. But thanks for wading in.

In regards both Can and Gini clubs knew they were not signing a new contract so don’t expect many to put bids in but also I don’t think the club were interested in selling either anyway .

Any target we miss out on is world class, and is the solution to our problems.

Nabil Fekir was the answer to all of our problems once, then it was Nicolas Pepe, then a year after that it was Timo Werner 

Nabil Fekir was the answer to all of our problems once, then it was Nicolas Pepe, then a year after that it was Timo Werner 

Who knows what they would have done under Klopp though. Look at Salah….

Nabil Fekir was the answer to all of our problems once, then it was Nicolas Pepe, then a year after that it was Timo Werner 

Probably all more use than Origi. I'm sure we could have identified someone who would have added a bit more depth and cutting edge to our front line. Ferran Torres was what £20m? Jesus £25m-£30m?