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      New Liverpool owner John Henry & NESV to spend 'wisely'

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      New Liverpool owner John Henry & NESV to spend 'wisely'
      Oct 18, 2010 10:11:00 pm
      John W Henry on the BBC iPlayer...

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9103269.stm

      It's encouraging that he's taking his time and listening to supporter groups.
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      Re: New Liverpool owner John Henry & NESV to spend 'wisely'
      Reply #1: Oct 18, 2010 10:23:33 pm
      For those not in the UK and can not get the iPlayer here is the artical.


      New Liverpool owner John Henry & NESV to spend 'wisely'

      Liverpool's new owner John Henry has warned he will not throw money at the club in a bid to solve their problems.

      Henry, whose NESV group sealed a £300m takeover on Friday, watched the Reds slip to 19th in the Premier League with Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Everton.

      "I don't have 'Sheikh' in front of my name," said the American, referring to Manchester City owner Sheikh Mansour.

      "When we spend a dollar, it has to be wisely. We can't afford contracts that do not make long-term sense."

      He added: "We have to be smart, bold, aggressive."

      The takeover of Liverpool by Henry's New England Sports Ventures (NESV) eliminated the acquisition debt placed on the club by previous owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.
      But on-field troubles persist and the  derby loss at Goodison Park   leaves Roy Hodgson's side second-bottom of the English top flight with only six points from their opening eight games and a goal difference of minus six.

      Key players such as Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres have struggled for form, while summer signings Joe Cole, Christian Poulsen, Raul Meireles and Paul Konchesky have yet to make an impact.

      Off the pitch, meanwhile, funding issues have delayed the start of work on Liverpool's proposed 60,000-seater stadium in Stanley Park.

      But despite the club's current plight, Henry has refused to give assurances over transfer budgets or plans for the new stadium.

      "What am I thinking? How much work this is going to be. How steep the learning curve is going to be. This is not going to be easy," said the 61-year-old, whose company NESV also owns the Boston Red Sox baseball franchise.

      "We realise the challenge that lies ahead if we are going to go toe-to-toe with the other big clubs. We are not asking for a long honeymoon. This is a contact sport we are in and the going can get rough sometimes. We realise that.

      "We are not going to make any promises but we are going to listen and consider."
      NESV, Liverpool and their major creditors Royal Bank of Scotland were accused of an "epic swindle" by Hicks, claiming the club had been severely undervalued.

      Henry, whose history with the Red Sox suggests there will be significant investment to come over the coming months, denied that was the case.

      And although he may not have access to the same level of funds as City's owners, the Abu Dhabi United Group , he plans to make money and not waste it on interest payments as the previous owners did.

      "There were big financial issues but in the end we made a decision we really wanted to compete at this level," Henry told the Liverpool Echo.

      "I know some people are saying this was a cheap price. There is no way we look at this as a cheap price for this club.

      "When we arrived at the Red Sox, the New York Yankees were a juggernaut and it wasn't that much of a rivalry. I believe we turned it into a rivalry where we have gone toe-to-toe with the Yankees even though they have got a much higher revenue. They keep going up but we have gone up faster.
      "When we looked at Liverpool, the first thing that struck us was there are opportunities here to really build a winner.

      "The revenue potentials around the world - it is a global football club - and especially with the financial fair play rules, it is really going to be revenue that drives how good your club can be in the future.

      "That is one thing that we think we are good at."

      NESV is backed by 17 investors and Henry stated: "I don't think any thinking individual buys a sports franchise these days - or an English football club - to make money.

      "Maybe a few, but they should have their head examined. It's about competing at the highest level in the world's largest sport for us, that's why we are here."

      On Monday, Henry and fellow co-owner Tom Werner met with local MPs and supporters' groups to discuss their plans for the club.

      "It was great to finally get to work," said Henry. "We met with supporters' group. No, we didn't give any assurances. We are here to listen and to learn from them and we learned a lot today.

      "I think the biggest issue was a sense of disenfranchisement and their sense of not being part of their own and that is what we discussed. This was a big first step today."
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      Reply #2: Oct 18, 2010 10:26:27 pm
      Cheers for that, curse the UK only media player!!! :)
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      Reply #3: Oct 18, 2010 10:29:21 pm
      I LOVE that he says anyone trying to make a profit is nuts. I also love the long term approach. Buying and nurturing good youth players will make u's more competitive and successful in the long run.
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      Reply #4: Oct 18, 2010 10:50:45 pm
      These comments tell me John Henry is not going to spend big amounts in the transfer market and sadly while they can be the best owners in the world if they are not going to be spend decent amounts of money on players it will be a long long time till we win the Premiership.

       His philosophy is the same as every club in the Premiership has other than Chelsea and City so can't see how it will help us win anything, money on players is absolutely essential he wants to maximise the clubs profits.

      It is top players and a extremely successful team that sell shirts and club merchandise and break the Asian markets and get the higher televison and internet deals.

      So whether John Henry wants to admit it or not if he wants to achieve what he has set out he might just have to spend big money in the transfer market otherwise he will not make Liverpool successful.
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      Reply #5: Oct 18, 2010 10:55:54 pm
      Bottom line is we can't compete with Chelsea and Man City, no-one can.

      I have confidence that he'll provide the right funds for the right players which makes more sense to me than throwing millions down the drain on players that could well be average.

      He's also said he's not in this to make a profit either. I also have no doubt he'll raise the profile of the club overseas to astronomical levels.
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      Reply #6: Oct 18, 2010 11:01:17 pm
      He is right, maximise the revenue before the financial fair play rules come in, then we will see where
      Chelsea and Man City are.
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      Reply #7: Oct 18, 2010 11:01:57 pm
      These comments tell me John Henry is not going to spend big amounts in the transfer market and sadly while they can be the best owners in the world if they are not going to be spend decent amounts of money on players it will be a long long time till we win the Premiership.

       His philosophy is the same as every club in the Premiership has other than Chelsea and City so can't see how it will help us win anything, money on players is absolutely essential he wants to maximise the clubs profits.

      It is top players and a extremely successful team that sell shirts and club merchandise and break the Asian markets and get the higher televison and internet deals.

      So whether John Henry wants to admit it or not if he wants to achieve what he has set out he might just have to spend big money in the transfer market otherwise he will not make Liverpool successful.

      Yes but what is the point in him coming out and saying I'm going to spend lots and lots of money, it will just mean any team we do business with, will put the prices up. If you look at his history when they have needed to spend big, they have. Anyway I don't want a sugar daddy, what we need is a good ambitous young manager, who can use both the Academy and build for a long term view. That doesn't mean having to break every football transfer record.

      I am quite prepared for a couple of trophy free years, if it means we improve our squad season by season, and blood our more talented youngsters. There is no glory in being like Chelsea, doing it with a cheque book.
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      Reply #8: Oct 18, 2010 11:16:58 pm
      I dont think hes a stupid guy and he knows he needs to invest. Due to it being a consortium I dont think anyone really has too much of a clue how much NESV has behind them. I think he's playing it down atm as theres no point spending rashley in Jan, nothing ever really comes out of the Jan transfer window.
      Really like the point he hasnt made any decisions yet and is taking things in and trying to assess what needs to be done, appears as if he wants to do a thorough job. I think he will invest but maybe 2-3 playes a summer, nothing drastic, without having to sell "quality" to bring them in.
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      Reply #9: Oct 18, 2010 11:22:53 pm
      Yes but what is the point in him coming out and saying I'm going to spend lots and lots of money, it will just mean any team we do business with, will put the prices up. If you look at his history when they have needed to spend big, they have. Anyway I don't want a sugar daddy, what we need is a good ambitous young manager, who can use both the Academy and build for a long term view. That doesn't mean having to break every football transfer record.

      I am quite prepared for a couple of trophy free years, if it means we improve our squad season by season, and blood our more talented youngsters. There is no glory in being like Chelsea, doing it with a cheque book.
      Spot on sir, great post
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      Reply #10: Oct 18, 2010 11:24:25 pm
      The teams that spend the most money on players are most successful in the long run, think Paul Tomkins shows that in his article today.

      If he wants Liverpool to wins things he will have to compete for the best players in the transfer market.

       I agree he wouldn't be saying how much money he is going to spend because it would drive up the price but I actually think his comments are aimed at the fans and are showing we will not be big spenders in the transfer market.

      I tend to be corrected but I don't think we will see large amounts of money spent by NESV in the transfer market.
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      Reply #11: Oct 18, 2010 11:27:01 pm
      It's sensible, especially considering the new spending laws being looked at by FIFA & UEFA.  I don't want a sugar daddy, I want to win stuff on merit using money we've earned.  Debt laden clubs are going to implode at some point.  Give me a well run club any day.
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      Reply #12: Oct 18, 2010 11:30:39 pm
      Them laws are far from agreed they are a hope of Platini rather than a confirmation.

       I want an owner that is willing to spend the required money to win a Premiership, I really hope John Henry is that man.

      Great to be well run but if substanial money is not invested in the playing side we will be a well run side that win nothing and I want Liverpool to win things.
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      Reply #13: Oct 18, 2010 11:33:48 pm
      Them laws are far from agreed they are a hope of Platini rather than a confirmation.

       I want an owner that is willing to spend the required money to win a Premiership, I really hope John Henry is that man.

      Great to be well run but if substanial money is not invested in the playing side we will be a well run side that win nothing and I want Liverpool to win things.

      Yes but you forget Corballyred, it's not just John Henry whose in this venture there is about 17 other people's wealth included too. I do not think we will be too short of money, we just won't throw it about like Chelsea that's all.
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      Reply #14: Oct 18, 2010 11:38:46 pm
      NESV are worth a reported $3.1 billion a lot of which is tied up in things like the Red Sox. I think these comments are aimed at lowering the fans expectations.

      As I've said if John Henry wants to be successful he will have to spend substanial amounts of money in the transfer market, I'm not filled with confidence after reading his comments that he is willing to do that.
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      Reply #15: Oct 18, 2010 11:42:39 pm
      I'll be happy to have us actually invest in the squad.

      Considering we have turned a profit in the last four transfer windows, Roughly 10 million in the last one alone, substantial investment for me would be one or two quality players. To qualify that... Actually bringing in players that are a class above what we have, rather than selling quality players and bringing in the poor man's version.
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      Reply #16: Oct 18, 2010 11:47:09 pm
      I'm prepared to wait and see.  As a few people have said, the Jan window is usually pants anyway, the summer is when the big business is done.  He isn't going to be looking at any players yet as we have a managerial situation to be resolved.  When someone comes in, they'll be able to work on a plan.

      I think he's being sensible by playing down how much money is there, otherwise teams will put the price up.  Let's hope that he realises 12M for Carlton Cole is 11M too much and that he has already left a message on Manuel Garcia Quilon's answerphone  ;D
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      Reply #17: Oct 18, 2010 11:50:06 pm
      I'd take offloading a couple of players such as Babel and Kuyt maybe get £20m for the pair.

      Get three in Turan Mata and Llorente for around £45m.

      I'd call that spending wisely as it gives us two wingers and a back up striker for around £25m net
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      Reply #18: Oct 18, 2010 11:50:27 pm
      NESV are worth a reported $3.1 billion a lot of which is tied up in things like the Red Sox. I think these comments are aimed at lowering the fans expectations.

      As I've said if John Henry wants to be successful he will have to spend substanial amounts of money in the transfer market, I'm not filled with confidence after reading his comments that he is willing to do that.

      Success doesn't mean spending millions upon millions on players immediately, it's other areas where we're really crying out for investment such as a new stadium and it'll also take time for the squad to fully develop.

      They're supposedly aiming for success within 3 years so thats what, at least 4 or 5 transfer windows in which to buy players? If we carry on turning a profit each season which I think is very likely since our interest re-payments are now down to £2-3million then you should get your wish sooner rather than later.
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      Reply #19: Oct 18, 2010 11:52:13 pm
      Let's hope that he realises 12M for Carlton Cole is 11M too much and that he has already left a message on Manuel Garcia Quilon's answerphone  ;D

      Carlton Cole. Are you taking the piss mate?
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      Reply #20: Oct 18, 2010 11:55:04 pm
      I'd take offloading a couple of players such as Babel and Kuyt maybe get £20m for the pair.

      Get three in Turan Mata and Llorente for around £45m.

      I'd call that spending wisely as it gives us two wingers and a back up striker for around £25m net

      £25m net if we are well run, I think,  is within our budget, even more so with a new stadium.
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      Reply #21: Oct 19, 2010 12:13:07 am
      Think you'd be paying a bit more than £25 million for them three, the are talking about 17 million euros alone for Llorente. Would like them though.
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      Reply #22: Oct 19, 2010 12:22:16 am
      Think you'd be paying a bit more than £25 million for them three, the are talking about 17 million euros alone for Llorente. Would like them though.

      £12.5m is the figure touted for Turan, £15 is being touted for Mata, £17m is being touted for Llorente thats £42.5m Minus the sale of Babel and Kuyt for around £20m that leaves £22.5m.

      Personally I think if that happened in January we'd look a better team all together.

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