Maxi and Cole are good enough BUT...

not what we need.

Cole is more gifted than Maxi. Cole can use his left foot decently, cross better than Maxi and has a better vision. In brief is more gifted. However he never had a great impact in our team

Maxi is a decent squad player and he often scores important goals. However too often he seems invisible during important matches.

Cole and Maxi are decent squad players. Good squad players for a top 4 team. However there is something that we lack a bit at the moment. We lack another player like Suarez, someone able to create something although our team is struggling and although we've sign Downing, I think that we lack that SPARK we've lacked so many times the previous seasons(when both Gerrard and Torres were not fit).Cole and Maxi are easily neutralized by the full backs. Cole is a greater threat at CAM but we have better players there.

One of them should be sold(I prefer Maxi) and an AM signed to bring more competition for the wings and a so much needed creativity.

Our most creative players are Aquilani, Suarez, Johnson and Gerrard. Adam Johnson would be ideal. Seriously this guy is a nightmare for defenders and is a someone who has the ability to score  10+goals/season and can bring many assists. He's young, British, EPL proven etc... Would cost about 15mil
Maybe Man City won't sell though.

Another option would be Bryan Ruiz, young, rapid, very gifted and can score 15+goals/season if he adapts to the league. around 10mil

It's not a must to replace Maxi or Cole. BUT with a player like Ruiz or Johnson is easier to achieve our goals.

I reckon you'll be surprised with Downing. I was grinning stupidly at his sheer class on and off the ball. He is a spark and Aquilani and Pacheco are other options.

I think we should work with what we've got, it's good.

dont think Pacheco is going to make it. For these two though, atleast Maxi bangs in a few goals, Cole doesn't create or score anymore

alex1995 .... i agree with you on that....adam johnson would be a great addition to our squad....but i think it would take a stupid amount of money to get man city to sell....but what about shaun wright-philips... he can be a great player when hes at his best ?

SWP is one of those players like Joe Cole who never reach their potential and here we are with both of them fast approaching late 20's still not yet making an impact on a decent team. Compare them to someone like Dirk Kuyt who dosent have their "natural" ability or "potential" so he makes up for it by using his brains and working 110% for the team.Thats the bit they dont get it isnt all about them.

good point...but i still reckon we could use annother natural winger...

Joe cole just seems to show no desire to play for us to be honest. When he plays you can guarentee after 5 mins hes walkin around with his hands on his hips. Also remember hes on 100k a week lads, thats f***in terrible. He'd be first out the door for me. Much rather have aqualiani, he showed some real glimpses of class. He was always a very good player technically, its just his strength i think.

Joe cole just seems to show no desire to play for us to be honest. When he plays you can guarentee after 5 mins hes walkin around with his hands on his hips. Also remember hes on 100k a week lads, thats f***in terrible. He'd be first out the door for me. Much rather have aqualiani, he showed some real glimpses of class. He was always a very good player technically, its just his strength I think.

im with you on that....joe cole just not good enough for liverpool....sell him and bring in a decent winger who will put in the effort and give it 110% every game ...oh and that can cross the ball !

I don't think Joe Cole is (or will be) a decent/good player for Liverpool... He's disastrous!
Maxi at least scores some goals... Cole does nothing!

if cole was on 25k a week i would say he is a good squad player, but with what he is on its a joke, he needs moving on.

I do like Maxi, again he is a squad player and i would keep him if possible, im sure if they stay they will get their chance to prove they deserve to be in/out of the team.

Good point that. Would also sell one of them (Maxi based on quality and Cole based on wages) and would get a cheap decent right winger.

I'm so far can not imagine how any team on this planet will come and buy Joe Cole from us. To let him go maybe we release him go for FREE (of course) and even LFC have to pay partial of his wage for that club for some period of time. For what ?, I think it's good enough to clear up space for the youngsters and improve the harmony in our team.

I'd like to keep Maxi if he happy to stay with LFC.

Sell both. Bye Bye.


Buy players with some "awe". Like Suarez.

Ok Mr cut and paste above is definitely fishing, beware and I'd expect a ban incoming for you!

Cole is a good player, but he doesn't seem to do any great game and is rarely "visible".

I like Maxi, he has scored quite a couple of goals, I wouldn't want him to leave right now, I'm expecting him to show us some more this season. I hope Cole does the same.

Neither are good enough, both were good players in their prime, but who were signed on a free because they are a shadow of their former selves.   

Would rather have kept Yossi than both these

I don't think Maxi is the world's best or anything but I'm struggling to be too critical of a guy who scored TWO hatricks in the space of 4 games last season. There can't be too many LFC players over the years who have managed two hatricks in an entire season.

As for Cole I guess it's all been said in his 'player' thread. I think he's a good pro, says all the right things and still has ability but he can't rediscover that step he used to have and unfortunately (for him and us) he isn't the same player without it.

I like Maxi. Hope he keeps his game up and can improve with the competition.

As for Cole, I was happy when we got him. I've liked him throughout his career but now, on the wage his on and first season... I'm on the fence. Think we'll keep him for this season and see how he does. I can see why we could do with another Suarez type player but think there's more important requirements like a centre/left back for this transfer window.    

I like Maxi. Hope he keeps his game up and can improve with the competition.

As for Cole, I was happy when we got him. I've liked him throughout his career but now, on the wage his on and first season... I'm on the fence. Think we'll keep him for this season and see how he does. I can see why we could do with another Suarez type player but think there's more important requirements like a centre/left back for this transfer window.   

This.

Ok Mr cut and paste above is definitely fishing, beware and I'd expect a ban incoming for you!

Dont tell me you dont know who it is? It's the "Return of the Mac"

Cole - sell/loan ASAP
Maxi - decent spuad player

Last season's performance for both proves so, it doesn't need further explanation really

Agree with everyone's opinions on Cole.

Would keep Maxi though, he's still a decent squad player and showed that at the end of the season.

Cole - sell/loan ASAP
Maxi - decent spuad player

Last season's performance for both proves so, it doesn't need further explanation really

Mind your P's & Q's.  

You got me Roddenberry:-D Such things happen when you're using your mobile phone

I am a fan of Maxi. He is very clever. That is the most important attribute. He knows how to keep the ball. He knows where to run and he is reading the game while a lot of the others are just watching. Like everyone said he scores goals.

Maxi is fine coming off the bench in a pinch or giving some relief in a blowout, he is not to worry and his contract run's end of this season where he will more than likely join up with n*b. Cole is the issue...huge wages and 3 years left on a contract....he is the ultimate albatross hanging around the club's neck. My only hopes are he regains form...(not likely) or bench/reserve duty makes him yearn for 1st team footy and he picks up and goes similar to Milan. Right now I doubt the club want's to make any money on a transfer they would be more than happy to just let him go.

Poor thread,both are respected players,but not at our level.They both deserve respectful transfers.

Have to say I agree wth RedRoy.

They are probably not ideal players we'd like at the club but they are playing for Liverpool right now so .. you know...

I'm quietly confident about this season.  Suarez is the man most likely to create a spark, but I think Downing and Gerrard are more than capable.  I also think Adam can be quite offensive - I remember him charging down the middle when playing for Blackpool and usually drawing a lot of fouls.  Now, we have at least three players who can capitalise by taking good free-kicks  - Suarez, Adam and Gerrard. Also, if we get Luis Enrique, we will have much more threat down the wings provided by Downing, Johnson /  Kelly and the potential new signing.  I also hope we keep Aquilani.  I've been following Italian football for many years and this guy when fit, was almost as good as his old team-mate Francesco Totti was at his peak.
My main concerns are in defence.  We need a Cahill or Dann or both.  I also think we need a good defensive midfielder -  someone of the same mould as Mascherano or Steve McMahon - just to look after our creative players and to stop other teams from playing and remind them that they're in for a battle.  With the current squad and the air of optimism of fans that players respond to, I can see us taking apart some of the lesser teams, especially at Anfield.

Roll on Saturday!
 

Maxi is much, much better than Cole. Plus, he is a very good player. His movement off the ball is probably only bettered at the club by Suarez. I'd be gutted if we sold him.

ok so who would you guys bring in to replace cole ?

Have to say I agree wth RedRoy.

They are probably not ideal players we'd like at the club but they are playing for Liverpool right now so .. you know...

I think Christian Poulsen would be very happy if some LFC supporter speak to him like this

In compare with Cole, Maxi Rodriguez is much sharper, fitter and more useful. Joe Cole is out of shape for a long time and is nothing but showing some sparks but Maxi is faster and could link up well with the players like Suarez.

We'd sell Joe Cole for a younger, and hunger for success, local option there.

I find it hard to believe how people don't rate Maxi, yet he scored 2 hatricks in 3 games. Some people are crazy. What does it take to win over fans? His support play aint bad too. What does it take to be a Liverpool player, if you play good and score goals and fans still don't like the player? I can agree on Cole but Maxi has been a good player I think. Check his stats, last season, 28 caps and 10 goals. What is wrong with you fans.

I find it hard to believe how people don't rate Maxi, yet he scored 2 hatricks in 3 games. Some people are crazy. What does it take to win over fans? His support play aint bad too. What does it take to be a Liverpool player, if you play good and score goals and fans still don't like the player? I can agree on Cole but Maxi has been a good player I think. Check his stats, last season, 28 caps and 10 goals. What is wrong with you fans.

But mate, look at our team for next season

Can you really see a place for Maxi in there?

I think it'll be hard for Meireles to get a place and I'd pick him over Maxi anyday

He scored 10 goals last season but 6 of them came within 2 games, that's 4 in every other game

It was great to see him on that form and it's a shame it came so late in the season but it might have just been that, form

I don't want to sell him, I like him but I'd completely understand if if and when he's not getting games he wants to leave and if it came to that, at least his performance at the end of last season might put his value up a bit

As for Cole, not good enough, get rid

I for one am very pleased with the players Kenny has brought in and i think we have enough to push for the title.
I cant see Cole getting in ahead of Adam Downing or Henderson.Maybe he will be used for the cups,Like above hard to call between Meireles and Maxi both got a few goals last season but after that,not much.

Maxi- Besides scoring that 2 hat tricks, he's been pretty much average the whole season.

I can't see him getting too many game time, but I'll keep him, squad player at least.

Cole- I was very excited when we signed him, but F***ing hell, he's been useless.

On top of that he earns a fortune for doing sweet F**k all.

If he was on 35-40k, then it wouldn't have been a problem, but as soon as I hear 90k, I need to lie down cause it makes me sick to the stomach.

I'd get rid of him, but I can't see any other club paying his current wage he's earning.

So, I'm sure he's going to stick around, collecting splinters on the bench, for at least another season.

Was going on about these two in the boozer last night,but when you look at our midfield options at the moment cant see either of them staying.

Henderson/gerrard/downing/aqualani/maxi/adam/cole/spearing/lucas/poulson(yes i know but stll).

thats a lot of players and some need to be shifted,for the 25 man squad quota.

I'd keep Maxi. Why? Because he is the only other natural winger we have in our squad besides Downing. He can do a good job as a squad player for another year or two.

Cole on the other hand I'd sell. Too lazy, unfit and overpaid. We also need to sell Poulsen, Degen, El Zhar, Kyrgiakos, maybe even N'gog and Meireles/Aquilani  and bring in 2-3 quality players (winger, centre back, striker) to have a really fantastic squad. I believe we won't be able to do all that this summer, so I expect another busy transfer window after the end of this season.

Maxi post Hodgson was such a different player for us and hugely influential. We need a full squad of quality players that Kenny can mix up without weakening the team. He is very close to achieving that IMHO.

But mate, look at our team for next season

Can you really see a place for Maxi in there?

I think it'll be hard for Meireles to get a place and I'd pick him over Maxi anyday

He scored 10 goals last season but 6 of them came within 2 games, that's 4 in every other game

It was great to see him on that form and it's a shame it came so late in the season but it might have just been that, form

I don't want to sell him, I like him but I'd completely understand if if and when he's not getting games he wants to leave and if it came to that, at least his performance at the end of last season might put his value up a bit

As for Cole, not good enough, get rid

Actually, I can see plenty of space for Cole and Maxi as we have no other natural winger than downing.
We probably have to adapt our play to use more width. Our recent games shown we are lacking creativity, why not give it a shot like,

        Carrol/ENG  Suarez/URG
              
Maxi/ARG                      Cole/ENG
        Lucas/BRZ   Gerrard/ENG


or would you rather the club keep paying 100k a week for nothing? even though nationaility isn't everything, all these players have international experience at world class level, if we get these players match fit we might be onto something.

I would say we need more wingers, not less, or should we go back to putting Gerrard on the wing? or maybe Kuyt? The moral of this is, why are so many people wanting us to offload our only natural wingers with nobody to replace them but downing.
I'd like to see somebody come up with some good formations that don't include Maxi or Cole, that don't involve Kuyt or Gerrard being a winger.
As for Miereles, why would you pick him ahead of Maxi? Miereles isn't even a winger.

Actually, I can see plenty of space for Cole and Maxi as we have no other natural winger than downing.
We probably have to adapt our play to use more width. Our recent games shown we are lacking creativity, why not give it a shot like,

        Carrol/ENG  Suarez/URG
             
Maxi/ARG                      Cole/ENG
        Lucas/BRZ   Gerrard/ENG


or would you rather the club keep paying 100k a week for nothing? even though nationaility isn't everything, all these players have international experience at world class level, if we get these players match fit we might be onto something.

I would say we need more wingers, not less, or should we go back to putting Gerrard on the wing? or maybe Kuyt? The moral of this is, why are so many people wanting us to offload our only natural wingers with nobody to replace them but downing.
I'd like to see somebody come up with some good formations that don't include Maxi or Cole, that don't involve Kuyt or Gerrard being a winger.
As for Miereles, why would you pick him ahead of Maxi? Miereles isn't even a winger.

I'm quite confused by, well, all of your post mate

When's the last time you saw Cole score for England?

You say we should play Cole and Maxi and then say you want to see formations without them?

And very few people's formations on here have Gerrard as a winger

And it's spelt Meireles

Personally for now i say we keep Maxi as he is not as bad as he is made out to be, he was very effective for us towards the back end of last season, and i would rather have him on the left with Downing being on the right, then having an in effective player out on the right, that player being Henderson, don't get me wrong he is a talented indivdual, just not for the right hand side of midfield.

Maxi has done nothing wrong to justify him being out of the team let alone out of the squad, just because we have bought new players does not mean he automatically should be stripped of his starting 11 place, i say put him back in on the left and let Downing play on the right, both can cut in and cross using there favored foot, or cut in and make space for the full backs, or even as a sub i think Maxi would be effective, think its not right he has been considered as deadwood, he has done well for the club.

I'm quite confused by, well, all of your post mate

When's the last time you saw Cole score for England?

You say we should play Cole and Maxi and then say you want to see formations without them?

And very few people's formations on here have Gerrard as a winger

And it's spelt Meireles

Actually, Cole is a winger so should not have to score everygame.

Has Chelsea gave up on Torres overnight? No! because you don't go crap overnight, you go through a bad patch!
Joe cole has 3 goals from 32, Torres has 1 from 19 unless you include pre-season.
If you do the math, 3 x 19 is 57, which 25 more than 32... and Torres is a striker.
Lucas Levia has 168 caps and 6 goals...so...
Keeping the subject on wingers, Aaron Lennon scored 3 goals from 35 caps last season for Spurs.
Do you think Spurs fans are giving him stick and asking how many England goals he scored?

Since when has Rooney scored for England compared to Manchester United? how can club and country be compaired like this? International football is not the same as club football.

Apologies about spelling Meireles wong, did you know you started two sentences with and?

Actually, Cole is a winger so should not have to score everygame.
Has Chelsea gave up on Torres overnight? No! because you don't go crap overnight, you go through a bad patch!
Joe cole has 3 goals from 32, Torres has 1 from 19 unless you include pre-season.
If you do the math, 3 x 19 is 57, which 25 more than 32... and Torres is a striker.
Lucas Levia has 168 caps and 6 goals...so...

Since when has Rooney scored for England compared to Manchester United? how can club and country be compaired like this? International football is not the same as club football.

If people favour Gerrard as a winger it is their choice but I like him as central attack midfield myself.
Apologies about spelling Meireles wong, did you know you started two sentences with and?

What the f**k are you talking about?

All that math sh*t was the stuff of lunacy, honestly, I've never seen such idotic posting from someone who wasn't a WUM

Lucas is a defensive midfielder, he's not here to score goals, Masch didn't, are you gonna say he was no good?

YOU were the one who said we should play Cole because of his international experience and then you turn round and say that international records mean nothing?

I'm not even rising to it anymore, NUMPTY

Actually, Cole is a winger so should not have to score everygame.

Has Chelsea gave up on Torres overnight? No! because you don't go crap overnight, you go through a bad patch!
Joe cole has 3 goals from 32, Torres has 1 from 19 unless you include pre-season.
If you do the math, 3 x 19 is 57, which 25 more than 32... and Torres is a striker.
Lucas Levia has 168 caps and 6 goals...so...
Keeping the subject on wingers, Aaron Lennon scored 3 goals from 35 caps last season for Spurs.
Do you think Spurs fans are giving him stick and asking how many England goals he scored?

Since when has Rooney scored for England compared to Manchester United? how can club and country be compaired like this? International football is not the same as club football.

Apologies about spelling Meireles wong, did you know you started two sentences with and?

Has someone been using Babelfish to translate English to Retard and then back again...?

Actually, Cole is a winger

I stopped reading here.

What the f**k are you talking about?

All that math sh*t was the stuff of lunacy, honestly, I've never seen such idotic posting from someone who wasn't a WUM


Lucas is a defensive midfielder, he's not here to score goals, Masch didn't, are you gonna say he was no good?

YOU were the one who said we should play Cole because of his international experience and then you turn round and say that international records mean nothing?

I'm not even rising to it anymore, NUMPTY

I said international experience is not everything, of course it is something you can judge from, but it is not everything.
It helps to have international experience but no point in kicking them out the sqaud if they don't score an international goal for a while.
Asking when did Joe cole last score a goal for England was a bit strange.
I am simply making a point, you cannot say Cole is not a good player because he had a bad season any didn't score many goals.
I hope Cole gets some caps this season and when all the fans change their mind about him, I can feel good in knowing I had faith in our players and not discontent.

Apologies about spelling Meireles wong, did you know you started two sentences with and?

Wong!

I said international experience is not everything, of course it is something you can judge from, but it is not everything.
It helps to have international experience but no point in kicking them out the sqaud if they don't score an international goal for a while.
I am simply making a point, you cannot say Cole is not a good player because he had a bad season any didn't score many goals.

Mate, you're in no place to be talking to ANYONE like they're stupid

If you take cjchaos's football knowledge, times it by Joe Cole's scoring record and plus one, you get the amount of fingers I'm holding up at the screen right now

Mate, you're in no place to be talking to ANYONE like they're stupid

If you take cjchaos's football knowledge, times it by Joe Cole's scoring record and plus one, you get the amount of fingers I'm holding up at the screen right now

If my maths is correct, that would be... one.



Am I right?

Wong!

haha, yeah well, i didn't notice that sorry... my keyboard can be a bit crap at times.

If my maths is correct, that would be... one.



Am I right?

Bang on

+ for math skills as i have no gold stars

Keeping the subject on wingers, Aaron Lennon scored 3 goals from 35 caps last season for Spurs.
Do you think Spurs fans are giving him stick and asking how many England goals he scored?

The spuds fans I sit next to in work think he's sh*t.  Not rated by them or many others from what they say.

I said Torres scored 1 goal in 19, Cole 3 games in 32, by that ratio 1:19 is same as 3:57, so this means Cole for Liverpool has been 46% more effective caps per game than Torres has been for Chelsea at scoring goals.. and Cole is a winger not a striker. Chelsea still use Torres so why have we given up on Cole? Cole is 29 and Torres is 27... so I am really not understanding why fans aren't giving cole support?

so I am really not understanding why fans aren't giving cole support?

Because we've watched him.

Also,

Samir Nasri in 2009-2010 seaosn scored 5 goals from 34 apps,
Season after 15 goals from 45 apps...  he more than doubled his goal per game ratio in one season.

Why are you comparing our players to Torres at Chelsea?

Ridiculous

And for the record, he plays because Abramovich insists on it cos he doesn't wanna look a fool for paying all that money for a player who hasn't been the same since injury and never will be

Cole is done as a top 6 player ... Maxi isn't ... Therefore, we keep Maxi and pray that there is another Cecil, playing real life football manager, at some other club ...

Cole is done as a top 6 player ... Maxi isn't ... Therefore, we keep Maxi and pray that there is another Cecil, playing real life football manager, at some other club ...

Or Neil Warnock or Hairy Kneecaps step forward!

Okay well, I will remain optimistic on my own then. There is room for improvement in Cole and I hope this is the season it gets delivered. Atleast people agree with me on Maxi

Cole is done as a top 6 player

Agree.

Some may argue he is done as a top half player.

Maxi isn't

Not too sure on Rodriguez. I'd definitely have him in ahead of Cole. Far more to his game.  I just wonder if he is winding down in his career already.  His talk about returning back to South America surprised me. 

I think he offers us something a little different when he plays on the wing.  Problem with him is - he isn't a grafter.  Kenny likes his wingers to put a shift in and not be painting their nails when the opposition have the ball.

Some may argue he is done as a top half player.

Back to West Ham?

Agree.

Some may argue he is done as a top half player.

Not too sure on Rodriguez. I'd definitely have him in ahead of Cole. Far more to his game.  I just wonder if he is winding down in his career already.  His talk about returning back to South America surprised me. 

I think he offers us something a little different when he plays on the wing.  Problem with him is - he isn't a grafter.  Kenny likes his wingers to put a shift in and not be painting their nails when the opposition have the ball.

I agree with all of this.

Maxi looked far better at the end of the season due to the style of football we played, where players seemed to have a position, but were also free to roam and interchange.  I really don't see Maxi as a winger though - more a wide player say in the style of a Ray Houghton (kind of).  I think he is a better bet than Cole to keep as a squad player, but can also be fairly ineffective at times.

Cole for me is one in a long list of players who are not quite the same when they join us as before (Paul Stewart being my favourite example of this).  I would be more than happy with Cole if he was the player we all know he can be, but sadly that is far from evident on what we saw of him last year.  The problem is everyone else saw how he was last year and would you buy him based on that?

I hope by end of the season Cole has been prolific. It is like I said in another post, one bad season and you are all saying he is rubbish, might I remind you he is still 29 and has been one of the most intelligent players of our generation. I think he has a couple of years in him yet even if he had one bad season.

We really have to keep Maxi, as he is our only real right winger. As for Cole, his huge wage is posing a problem and I believe Kenny is looking to offload him, but if we don't get a good deal we might as well stick with him and hope for the best. He is "only" 29 and we are talking about him like he is past 35.

He can get better, it's all about him. Obviously he lacks motivation. He must improve his fitness and show some fire when playing. I agree he looks past his best now, but there is definitely time for him to turn this situation around for mutual betterment.