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      Liverpool players and the fa

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      StevieG123
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      Re: Liverpool players and the fa
      Reply #23: Dec 22, 2011 06:01:34 pm
      McGrath on Talksport earlier: 'If I was Johnson, I’d have thrown the Suarez shirt to the floor'
      ...and the answer came soon:
      @glen_johnson Glen Johnson
      I will support who i want when i want!!! There are a lot of reasons why I'm standing by Luis Suarez!!!


      Top man our Glen.
      Kieranlfc88
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      Reply #24: Dec 22, 2011 06:08:18 pm
      Re some of the above posts Luis Suarez does not live in Uruguay - if I had a swig of whiskey in Saudi on the high street they'd laugh in my face if my defence was "well that's what I do at home"
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      Reply #25: Dec 22, 2011 06:09:30 pm

      Is it f**k
      The panel that found him guilty (how could they not - he admitted to using the said term) where independent of the FA
      The clubs reaction to this stinks
      You're either a troll, ignorant or retarded haven't quite decided yet.

      I'd suggest we boycott all England international games but I'd say that wouldn't make much of a difference ticket sale wise.
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      Re: Liverpool players and the fa
      Reply #26: Dec 22, 2011 06:12:19 pm
      One issue which really bothers me is why players/managers of other clubs don't get the same treatment ours have in the past few years. Fair treatment is all I ask for.
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      Reply #27: Dec 22, 2011 06:20:00 pm
      You're either a troll, ignorant or retarded haven't quite decided yet.

      I'd suggest we boycott all England international games but I'd say that wouldn't make much of a difference ticket sale wise.

      Come back at me with logic then and debate sensibly
      Just because I don't subscribe to the "victim mentality, Luis Suarez is an angel" crew doesn't null and void my interpretation of events
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      Reply #28: Dec 22, 2011 06:29:25 pm
      Re some of the above posts Luis Suarez does not live in Uruguay - if I had a swig of whiskey in Saudi on the high street they'd laugh in my face if my defence was "well that's what I do at home"
      Who said he lives in Uruguay?Who mentioned anything about him living in Uruguay? Shall I answer? Nobody said F**k all about where he lives with the exception of YOU who informed us that he no longer lives in Uruguay.

      Have you any idea how long it takes flying to the UK from S. America? How many times would he have to commute on a weekly basis for training, mid week games, FA kangaroo court appearences etc.

      Of course he lives here but he was born in Uruguay, his family is in Uruguay and believe or not he's got a foreign accent.
       Could it be that you point out the obvious that he is working away to attempt to give your bullshit some credibility?
      Have a day off lad.....do you know the rest or has someone got to tell you?

      edit: Evra is reported as using an equally informal foreign term for someone of S. American origin which Luis responded to but the FA chose only one word to disect.
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      Reply #29: Dec 22, 2011 06:33:06 pm
      Come back at me with logic then and debate sensibly
      Just because I don't subscribe to the "victim mentality, Luis Suarez is an angel" crew doesn't null and void my interpretation of events

      Does make you a c**t though.

      I can call you that because I'm English, very English word c**t.

       :P
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      Reply #30: Dec 22, 2011 06:40:14 pm
      Come back at me with logic then and debate sensibly
      Just because I don't subscribe to the "victim mentality, Luis Suarez is an angel" crew doesn't null and void my interpretation of events

      Victim mentality = self pity city, favourite manc put down for scousers ever since Hillsborough.

      No one is debating with you, you F***ing manc tw*t.



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      Reply #31: Dec 22, 2011 06:43:12 pm
      Who said he lives in Uruguay?Who mentioned anything about him living in Uruguay? Shall I answer? Nobody said f**k all about where he lives with the exception of YOU who informed us that he no longer lives in Uruguay.


      Deep breaths my man - no need to be so aggressive
      His whole defence is that this particular phrase is AOK in the mother-land. I'm afraid whether u like ur or not this begs the reminder that he is not in Uruguay......where's the problem in that?
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      Reply #32: Dec 22, 2011 06:44:58 pm
      Victim mentality = self pity city, favourite manc put down for scousers ever since Hillsborough.

      No one is debating with you, you f**king manc tw*t.

      There's the definition of a victims mentality - we have a difference of opinion hence you must be alien to me with a crooked alterior motive for such a stance - cry me a river
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      Reply #33: Dec 22, 2011 06:46:15 pm
      There's the definition of a victims mentality - we have a difference of opinion hence you must be alien to me with a crooked alterior motive for such a stance - cry me a river

      Ulterior.
      srslfc
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      Reply #34: Dec 22, 2011 06:47:01 pm
      Deep breaths my man - no need to be so aggressive
      His whole defence is that this particular phrase is AOK in the mother-land. I'm afraid whether u like ur or not this begs the reminder that he is not in Uruguay......where's the problem in that?

      It wouldn't have taken the FA 5 minutes to research the term and it's use in South America and give Luis a warning as to his future conduct.

      Also wasn't it reported that Evra's own teammates use this term when addressing him?
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      Reply #35: Dec 22, 2011 06:51:36 pm
      Kieran I can understand the logic that you have here. Suarez admitted to saying negrito... However Evra also openly admitted to saying 'derogatory' remarks to Suarez. This is where the which hunt allogations come into play. Also because it's Evra in particular here who bitches and moans all the time about the 'abuse' he gets from Steve Finnan, half the Chelsea staff and now Suarez. 3 game ban for breaking someone's leg and an 8 game ban for hurting their feelings. It wasn't offensive what he said, it was simply Evra making a mountain out of a molehill maybe because he himself with his admitted basic Spanish language skills, didn't understand what the word actually means within the context Suarez was using it
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      Reply #36: Dec 22, 2011 06:55:54 pm
      There's the definition of a victims mentality - we have a difference of opinion hence you must be alien to me with a crooked alterior motive for such a stance - cry me a river

      F**k off manc!!!
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      Reply #37: Dec 22, 2011 07:02:20 pm
      There's the definition of a victims mentality - we have a difference of opinion hence you must be alien to me with a crooked alterior motive for such a stance - cry me a river

      So you're happy when the likes of The Daily Mail are attacking this city for the scenes after Hillsborough at Anfield with all the flowers in the goal mouth and the paper also referred to the city as Self Pity City after what happened to James Bulger.

      Is that fair?
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      Re: Liverpool players and the fa
      Reply #38: Dec 22, 2011 07:08:51 pm
      I personally think Kieran is a misinformed troll, however at no point did he mention Hillsborough... Please don't bring this into the debate.
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      Reply #39: Dec 22, 2011 07:09:19 pm
      So you're happy when the likes of The Daily Mail are attacking this city for the scenes after Hillsborough at Anfield with all the flowers in the goal mouth and the paper also referred to the city as Self Pity City after what happened to James Bulger.

      Is that fair?


      What you rambling on about?
      My opinion is based purely on this isolated case - not inter-tangled with every wrong perpetrated against LFC or the city of Liverpool
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      Reply #40: Dec 22, 2011 07:11:04 pm
      Deep breaths my man - no need to be so aggressive
      His whole defence is that this particular phrase is AOK in the mother-land. I'm afraid whether u like ur or not this begs the reminder that he is not in Uruguay......where's the problem in that?
      That's bullshit as well, it isn't "his defence" it's a fact, the expression the FA have fashioned into an interpretation that suits them, it is acknowledged in it's original form to be a none offensive term.
      There is no comparative English expression to make a judgement so the FA in their "wisdom" have fitted words of their choice to accomodate an agenda - the agenda is alive and well and it does appear you subscribe to said agenda.
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      Reply #41: Dec 22, 2011 07:11:34 pm
      Come back at me with logic then and debate sensibly
      Just because I don't subscribe to the "victim mentality, Luis Suarez is an angel" crew doesn't null and void my interpretation of events

      Debate.

      Ill take you on;


      Lets open with Liverpool Official Statement:

      Comment on that. Use "In Text if you want".

      http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-20-12-11

      Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.

      We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment. 
      We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.

      We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

      The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion.  We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.

      LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise. 

      It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. 

      It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

      It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his Written Statement in this case said

      'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. 

      The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

      Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. 

      He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.

      He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

      It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented.

      We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.

      It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November.

      Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.

      We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms.  Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.







      PS    You need to come back with at least 5 reasons why the Kangaroo Court in your head decides he is guilty.

      Before you do just remember.

      The decision was based on the evidence of one person. No other person or TV evidence of the so called 10 occassions.

      A person who with Mike Phelan of Man Utd was discredited by the FA three years ago.






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      Re: Liverpool players and the fa
      Reply #42: Dec 22, 2011 07:13:50 pm

      What you rambling on about?
      My opinion is based purely on this isolated case - not inter-tangled with every wrong perpetrated against LFC or the city of Liverpool

      Well in that case I think your opinion on this case is still wrong.

      Say for example in your job you were accused by another employee of a racist remark and the only evidence was the word of that person with no other evidence. Would you be happy with the highest punishment your company could give?

      I don't think you would.
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      Reply #43: Dec 22, 2011 07:14:33 pm

      What you rambling on about?
      My opinion is based purely on this isolated case - not inter-tangled with every wrong perpetrated against LFC or the city of Liverpool

      You have no history of our club or City, is what i'm rambling on about.

      So what evidence is your opinion based on, a lying mac tw*t who has previous, the fact the supposed word has no meaning in English and has no racist meaning in Spanish?

      Or are you of the opinion, Luis is in our country, so must follow our rules?

      Going by this quote:

      Re some of the above posts Luis Suarez does not live in Uruguay - if I had a swig of whiskey in Saudi on the high street they'd laugh in my face if my defence was "well that's what I do at home"

      you sound very xenophobic!!
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      Re: Liverpool players and the fa
      Reply #44: Dec 22, 2011 07:15:32 pm
      He's a bullshitter skip.
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      Reply #45: Dec 22, 2011 07:23:19 pm
      I don't need to come back with 5 reasons I only need ONE - Luis Suarez admitted he used the term "negreto" to a black player with whom he has no relationship

      I don't seek to paint Luis Suarez as a racist - he is not and Evra is his own evidence stated he didn't think he was
      But the defence that what goes in Uruguay is OK in Britain does not stand tall for me - if others disagree then fair enough

      And as far as a conspiracy/vendetta from the FA I just don't buy it
      The panel whom found him guilty are independent of the FA - once they reached their conclusion what where the FA to do - if they gave him a slap on the wrist the Prime Minister would be his soap-box demanding reform and heads to roll etc,etc

      If people disagree fine but spare me the "You're a manc,you're a troll" attack line as its not true and suggests that rather than engaging in sensible debate u are hiding from the truth

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