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      s@int
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      End of season report
      May 06, 2012 12:33:28 am
      KEEP

      Reina - A very, very, poor season by his standards, beaten too easily on numerous occasions and more often than not when it really mattered too. Distribution has been excellent as usual, but shot stopping, positioning and dealing with crosses has been way below the level expected.

      Johnson - not my favourite Liverpool player, but has been one of the better players this season. While always a little suspect defensively, has on the whole defended reasonably well, while often proving to be one of our best outlets and most dangerous attackers.

      Enrique - Started the season like a house on fire, pace, strength, commitment, but faded badly in the second half of the season, partly no doubt due to the loss of Lucas, as at times he has had to cope with more than one attacker in front of him since Lucas disappeared.

      Skrtel - Probably my player of the season. Never rated him very highly and I was keen to sign Cahill in the Summer, but has been as good as any centreback and better than most this season. Plays much better and much more assured with Agger than he ever did with Carra.

      Agger - Another good season from Danny, but for his frequent injuries we would be set at centreback for the next few years with the Skrtel and Agger partnership which imo will only get better.   

      Downing - Very disappointing season after an excellent start too. He has looked uncomfortable with the ball and uninterested without it for most of the season. I still believe if we can give him the confidence he needs he can become a good player for us, but needs to be more dynamic both on and off the ball.

      Gerrard - Sadly a season of fits and starts, brief cameo's of what he once produced game after game. Still an inspiration, but I am worried that we have seen his best and now he's more like all the rest. Hopefully he still has more to offer next season, but a forgettable season on the whole by our Captain.

      Spearing - Hard worker, but the step up to first team regular was a step too far imo. Good squad player but just not quite good enough to fill Lucas's shoes.

      Henderson - Probably my biggest disappointment this season. Excellent crosser of the ball, good passer and excellent shot, just some of the attributes that we have seen........ but all too rarely from him this season. Needs to impose himself more on games and start to dominate and display his obvious talent more frequently. Disappears when things go wrong and plays too safe most of the time. Needs to look and pick his pass rather than playing it backwards all the time. 

      Bellamy - Another player that I wasn't too keen on Kenny bringing in. Excellent early in the season, but has struggled a little since his injury,  his freekicks and corners have been as good as any from a Liverpool player. Not quite the flyer he once was, but still one of the few players with genuine pace with and without the ball.

      Suarez - but for his poor finishing and suspension, would no doubt be my player of the year. Sadly his finishing hasn't been as clinical as we hoped and for all his amazing energy, skill, ability it's his finishing that has cost him and us too many times. Wonderful memories and some great goals, but so far a scorer of great goals not a great goalscorer.     

      Kelly - Another that has done himself proud for most of the season, but another that has fallen below his best in recent times. Lack of regular football, injuries and perhaps the team also not playing to it's best, seems to have set him back a little. Early form had many including myself wondering if perhaps he should get the nod over Johnson, lately Johnson has been unchallenged as first choice.

      Lucas - I don't believe Lucas is QUITE as good as many think. Without doubt a very good player who we have missed tremendously this season, but more a reflection of how average our other options were, rather than Lucas being world class (imo). An excellent player and certainly good enough for Liverpool for years to come. 

      Adam - better than many think, not to blame for every bad result, certainly not world class but has more to offer than many give him credit for. Hopefully a fringe player next season, coming on to change things around and create chances rather than a regular starter, but still getting his fair share of games.

      Carroll - Plan "B" for me next season. While I don't believe he is as bad as some think, I don't believe he is has good as some want to have us believe either. Showed the right sort of attitude of late, and may just have saved his Liverpool career. 

      Shelvey - Improved tremendously since his short spell on loan. Before he went he looked immature, overconfident and brash, since his loan he has looked confident and has a good chance of securing a future at the club. Very impressed with the progress he has made since his return.

      Coates - Still not sure about this one. Seems to set himself way too early before he tackles, but has age and size on his side. Might be quite a while before he really challenges for a first team place, but with Agger's injuries..... you never know.

      Flanagan - Really gone backwards this season. Needs the summer break to rebuild his confidence and re-evaluate what is expected and needed if he is to make progress again..... Possibility he could be loaned out?

      Kenny - Not a great season, but good enough to deserve another chance to get things right. He has struggled throughout the season to cope without a genuine clinical striker, bad luck, injuries to key players and age catching up with some good players. The Gerrard of a few years ago would no doubt have helped tremendously, sadly not quite this season. Kenny needs to get some important decisions right in the summer and we need to see a significant improvement in the league next season. I think we will win the league...... but then I always do.
         

      OUT 

      Maxi - Disappears too often for comfort, neat and tidy passer who rarely loses possession and has scored a lot of goals from a midfield that otherwise contributes few. Not quite good enough for the first team but could have been a valued squad player. The fact that I believe he will leave says more about what I believe Kenny is looking for rather than what Maxi lacks. 

      Kuyt - Time has finally got to Dirk imo, no longer the duracell man, but still gives everything in every game. Sadly for Kuyt the lack of goal threat, pace and first touch is no longer balanced by the hard work and important goals scored.

      Carra - Tide and time wait for no man, and time has finally caught up with Carra. The mind still knows where he needs to go, but the legs no longer always get him there in time. Has struggled more often than not this season and at best would be 4th choice next season..... I think he will retire. Liverpool Legend without a doubt.

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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #1: May 06, 2012 12:36:06 am
      Simple must do better, see me after the final whistle
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      Reply #2: May 06, 2012 12:38:05 am
      downing maybe not
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #3: May 06, 2012 12:40:58 am
      fu**ed
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #4: May 06, 2012 01:01:45 am
      Henderson - Probably my biggest disappointment this season. Excellent crosser of the ball, good passer and excellent shot, just some of the attributes that we have seen........ but all too rarely from him this season. Needs to impose himself more on games and start to dominate and display his obvious talent more frequently. Disappears when things go wrong and plays too safe most of the time. Needs to look and pick his pass rather than playing it backwards all the time.

      I don't think you can say a player has an excellent shot if you have hardly seen it at all. How many good finishes he made the whole season? I can't think of many in which he forced the keeper to a good save, I really can't, and his only goal was against Bolton. Most of the time when he tries a long shot, it doesn't go anywhere near the target.

      Anyway, interesting topic to debate, and I'll post my judgements later
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #5: May 06, 2012 01:12:50 am
      Bring on next season, that is all.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #6: May 06, 2012 01:15:19 am
      Bring on next season, that is all.

      How many days left mate?
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #7: May 06, 2012 01:15:59 am
      Hit the bar against WBA, hit the post against Fulham, forced De Gea into one or two world class stops at Anfield etc. Hendo has a decent enough shot. I like him.
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      Reply #8: May 06, 2012 01:19:17 am

      Week or so mate i hope.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #9: May 06, 2012 01:19:54 am
      I don't think you can say a player has an excellent shot if you have hardly seen it at all. How many good finishes he made the whole season? I can't think of many in which he forced the keeper to a good save, I really can't, and his only goal was against Bolton. Most of the time when he tries a long shot, it doesn't go anywhere near the target.

      Anyway, interesting topic to debate, and I'll post my judgements later


      He may not have scored many, but he did hit the bar against West Brom .... still not convinced ?  :) 

      Gerrard only scored one goal in his first couple of seasons ....
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      Reply #10: May 06, 2012 01:21:07 am
      His hair looks nice tho
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #11: May 06, 2012 01:22:28 am

      No mate, was talking about till KO for the next season.
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      Reply #12: May 06, 2012 01:22:38 am
      He may not have scored many, but he did hit the bar against West Brom .... still not convinced ?  :) 

      Not really :D

      Hit the bar against WBA, hit the post against Fulham, forced De Gea into one or two world class stops at Anfield etc. Hendo has a decent enough shot. I like him.

      Actually, I think when you can name all the good shots from a player for an entire season in one line, it's evidence he's not good at it at all
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      Reply #13: May 06, 2012 01:23:15 am
      No mate, was talking about till KO for the next season.

       ;D

      F**k knows   ???.
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      Reply #14: May 06, 2012 01:25:16 am
      Not really :D

      Actually, I think when you can name all the good shots from a player for an entire season in one line, it's evidence he's not good at it at all

      That made me spit water over the screen laughing. Very true.
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      Reply #15: May 06, 2012 01:25:45 am

      Actually, I think when you can name all the good shots from a player for an entire season in one line, it's evidence he's not good at it at all

      Chances are there are others I've forgotten from early on in the season. Hence the 'etc'.
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      Reply #16: May 06, 2012 01:43:00 am
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #17: May 06, 2012 02:37:48 am
      Quote from tezmac
      Simple must do better, see me after the final whistle

      1 Trophy won, 2 Cup Finals, 3 visits to Anfield South, back in Europe.

      Could be worse.

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      Reply #18: May 06, 2012 04:09:02 am
      Two cups finals was very good.
      Won one of them, good.
      League results; extremely poor. But clearly deserved more wins in many games before xmas.

      Summer signings failed pitifully to improve the team from last season. Only Enrique and Bellamy were moderate successes. I'd easily prefer Joe Cole, Aquilani and Meireles in the squad to Downing, Henderson and Adam. Indeed we'd have probably finished higher in the league if we had kept those three and not bought the other three.


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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #19: May 06, 2012 04:26:31 am
      This thread is a bit like when SlySports announce the man of the match in injury time.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #20: May 06, 2012 04:49:52 am
      I gotta say I disagree with a lot of your player ideas. Specifically Lucas. You say he is not as great as some think but in the next paragraph say Adam is not as bad. Look at how good Adam was with Lucas, and how bad he was without. Without Lucas he looked as though he should be playing in the reserve squad or worse. With Lucas he looked like a very solid midfield distributor. And I also disagree about Coates and Henderson. Coates has been great every game he has featured in. His ability to make the smart tackle instead of the rash challenge is exceptional. Henderson has struggled but he also hasn't been given a real position yet. When in the center he has looked solid and at times has looked like the guy to play next to Lucas in a 4-2-3-1. When on the right he has looked lost, slow, and indecisive. He needs a bit of confidence and I think European competition will really help him next season.
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      Reply #21: May 06, 2012 05:03:49 am
      And your having a go at Flannnnno! Common mate hes 18 and last season he played 2 cracker games and this year he has made some mistakes. These mistakes will make him a better player !
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #22: May 06, 2012 06:48:45 am
      Very disappointing end to an up and down season, only consolation one trophy and back in Europe next season. Hopeful the side will go forward, with the addition of maybe one or two players of real quality.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #23: May 06, 2012 08:13:48 am



      BOLLOCKS
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      Reply #24: May 06, 2012 08:23:41 am
      Satisfied with the season. One cup and one cup final. If we can win those games against smaller oppositions that is ok for me. We fought hard in the last 20 mins of FA cup final. Losing to bigger teams are not a concern for me as we are in a transition phase plus we are one man less (if downing is on the pitch)
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      Reply #25: May 06, 2012 08:34:49 am
       
      Satisfied with the season. One cup and one cup final. If we can win those games against smaller oppositions that is ok for me. We fought hard in the last 20 mins of FA cup final. Losing to bigger teams are not a concern for me as we are in a transition phase plus we are one man less (if downing is on the pitch)

      Funny, first time I have ever heard a Liverpool supporter calling Chelsea a bigger team, In fact I have never heard a supporter call any team bigger than LFC.  ???
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #26: May 06, 2012 09:13:19 am
      We've had some excellent results this year, won a trophy and got to the final of another which is great and played some excellent attacking football also.

      Problem being though we have been very two dimensional in a lot of games - all out attack or all out defend with the all out attack being complicated by a hell of a lot of awful fininshing. And that is what it has been, awful finishing. Don't even try me with the 'we've hit the post a million times' line. Although its mad how many times we have hit it, every time we have it counts as a miss not a goal so poor fininshing, end of. As close to being wide as being a goal.

      Tactically, on far too many occasions we have been poor. Defended far too deep and invited pressure - look how many goals have been scored from the six yard box against us.

      Lucas getting injured affected our season as did our poor finishing but a hell of a lot of people seen that this was going to be the case a long time ago so why weren't the problems addressed in January?

      I'll post what I think re the ins and outs. Will never happen I know but I'm with this:

      OUT:

      Aurelio, Maxi, Kuyt, Henderson, Downing, Wilson, Spearing and Adam.

      IN:
      (I'll put who I think can play in the various positions to highlight where I think we should strenghten)

      GK:

      Reina
      Doni
      Jones

      RB

      Johnson
      Kelly
      Flanagan
      Carragher

      CB:

      Skrtel
      Agger
      Coates
      Kelly
      Carragher

      LB

      Enrique
      Johnson
      Robinson
      Agger

      RM

      New AM 1
      New AM 2
      Gerrard
      Bellamy

      DM

      Lucas
      New DM
      Gerrard

      CM

      Gerrard
      New AM 1
      New AM 2
      Shelvey

      LM

      New AM 1
      New AM 2
      Sterling
      Bellamy

      CF

      Suarez
      Carroll
      New CF 1 (an out and out goal scorer - big buy)
      New CF 2 (cheaper younger option)
      Bellamy

      First options for me are a DM, two versatile AM's (maybe 3 TBH) and two strikers. I know a lot want to see Carra gone but he would have to be replaced so I would address these positions first and foremost.

      EDIT* Apologies - didn't give that a final once over before posting, a lot of mistyping in my OP so just done a lot of editing.

      Ok now I think.
      « Last Edit: May 06, 2012 09:24:48 am by what-a-hit-son »
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #27: May 06, 2012 09:19:37 am
      Lucas getting injured affected our season as did our lack of poor finishing but a hell of a lot of people seen that this was going to be the case a long time ago so why weren't the problems addressed in January?
      Above all else (in my opinion) this is the most telling and costly of all our failings/mistakes this season. Could this be the actual reason Comolli got the old Spanish archer? I think so.  :-\


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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #28: May 06, 2012 09:57:54 am


       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: that's made me smile .
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      Reply #29: May 06, 2012 10:27:00 am
      Lowest I've felt at the end of a season.

      Would also agree-
      Failure to do business in January has ultimately resulted in failure on the pitch.
      Replacement for Lucas and a striker would have turned our season.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #30: May 06, 2012 10:37:43 am
      Lowest I've felt at the end of a season.

      Would also agree-
      Failure to do business in January has ultimately resulted in failure on the pitch.
      Replacement for Lucas and a striker would have turned our season.

      racer it has been a lousy season leaguewise but we will come good,we have to come good because we are LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.WE have so much history and tradition there is not another club that can come anywhere near us.Just have belief mate.
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      Reply #31: May 06, 2012 10:49:54 am
      Home: Won 5, Drawn 9, Lost 4

      Away: Won 8, Drawn 1, Lost 9


      No Smiling please !
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #32: May 06, 2012 11:06:35 am
      Great thread starter Saint. I will respond but it's all a bit depressing at the moment so i'm gonna have a day or two trying to pretend i don't like football anymore.
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      Reply #33: May 06, 2012 11:09:55 am
       Most of the comments in the opening post are hard to argue with. My thoughts going forward:

       Reina: IMO has given the club a difficult decision so bad has he been this season. Another one like it and we won't get much for him (I really do think he has been desperately poor far too often), but obviously we live in hope he can reproduce his best form (which is/was fantastic). Do we sell him and take the cash, or wait? I know many will go berserk at such sacrilage, but good goalkeepers win you football matches. Yesterday was a prime example.

       Enrique:As S@int says, he's fallen away badly along with the rest of the team. His partnership with Downing is much like two people trying to get through the bus doors at the same time. Still a good buy at 6 mill, but needs to improve a fair bit.

       Skrtel & Agger: Both have been very good for us this season and as long as Agger can stay fit, we should be sorted. Carra looks like he is on his way down, while Coates needs to improve a bit further but will take up the 3rd choice spot next season. We'll probably need another centra half before the end of the next campaign.

       Johnson: I like him a lot and if we dovetail him with Gerrard on the right next season (which I think we should) then they will provide balance, goals and assists in abundance. Lets just do it.

       Downing: My suspicion before we signed him was that he is a bread and butter Premiership player. Decent but unspectacular, I thought we had paid way over the top for him and that we would have been far better off signing his Aston Villa teammate. I think I was right on this one. Still, we've paid a fortune for him, he'll be on big money so we are extremely unlikely to be able to move him on. He is left footed which is rare, and he can play much better than he has this term. Economics dictate we're probably just going to have to cross our fingers and hope he delivers.

       Gerrard: Still a wonderful footballer but he and us are going to have to find the best way to play him. For me, playing off the front man is no longer within his compass. He either needs to play as a holding midfielder or on the right. The second option screams out as the right one for me.

       Henderson: I was an advocate of his signing but I was wrong. For me he is a mile away from being good enough and I have severe doubts now that he will get there. Lacks the physicality to be able to play in central midfield in anything other than a sitting role, and makes next to zero telling contributions to matches. If we could persuade anyone to pay 8-10 million for him I'd bite their arm off at the elbow, but my suspicion is that it won't happen. Could turn out to be Aquilani mark 2 I'm afraid, and in my view we desperately need a quality replacement.

       Lucas: A quality holding midfielder, but when you select him you give yourself a small connundrum. You MUST dovetail him with a dynamic partner, simply because the Brazillian provides next to zero going forward. Unfortunately for us, Gerrard can no longer be that partner IMHO, while Charlie Adam can't do it on a consistent basis and Jordan Henderson will never be able to do it while he's got a hole in his @rse. We need a top quality central midfielder IMHO, particularly if we are going to play a pure holder like Lucas. 

       Spearing: A scouser and a good kid. Like Henderson though, a long way from being good enough to be a regular starter in a top team. The much maligned Frank Lampard and Jon Obi Mikkel were head and shoulders better than either yesterday. Squad player at a stretch.

       Adam: I quite like him and he would have been an improvement on either of our two central midfielders yesterday. That said, we cannot seriously compete wiothout a really top top quality central midfielder who is going to make things happen regularly. Gerrard is increasingly looking like he is no longer able to fill the role, so we must recruit and relegate the likes of Charlie to the squad role he actually fits.

       Suarez: A fantastic footballer who we must build the team around. When he plays with Carroll, they are kind of like two three year olds playing in a room in that they play beside each other rather than together. The answer IMHo is to sign another striker who can interchange with both.

       Carroll: I remain convinced that one day he will make a beast of a centre forward. His dynamic performance yesterday which almost allowed him to single-handedly flip the game on its head was hugely encouraging. I'm an advocate and would stay with him.

       Kuyt/Maxi I'd move both on.

       Kelly/Shelvey/Flanaghan all need to improve a fair bit if they're going to make it IMHO. Kelly might actually be a centre half as well.

       Jack Robinson: I like this lad and think he's our best kid. Will play International football IMHO.   
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      Reply #34: May 06, 2012 11:17:49 am
      D-. Really poor season.  Our performance in the league has being so poor.  If Kenny is to keep his job we need a drastic improvement straight away next season.  Our home record this season has set all sorts of records.
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      Reply #35: May 06, 2012 11:20:01 am
      D-. Really poor season.  Our performance in the league has being so poor.  If Kenny is to keep his job we need a drastic improvement straight away next season.  Our home record this season has set all sorts of records.

       I know that's what you think mate, but with the greatest respect this thread isn't really the appropriate place to put the boot into Kenny. It's a players thread, and an interesting one at that.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #36: May 06, 2012 11:27:15 am
      Stay

      Pepe Reina - still one of the best for me. Been a poor season for him but he'll be back.

      Johnson - one of the better right backs in the league.

      Agger - classiest defender in the league and always puts  a good performance when he plays.

      Skrtel - top form and has been for quite awhile now.

      Enrique - started well but ever since 2012, has been caught out quite alot but we've been crying out loud for an LB for a while now.

      Lucas - well, nothing to say here, just Lucas has been boss.

      Gerrard - last 2 seasons have been hit by injuries, hopefully has all his injuries behind him. Top player on his day.

      Adam - At best a squad player.

      Downing - I like him but still at best a squad player.

      Suarez - nothing needed here.

      Carroll - I am still unsure if he's the right partner for Suarez and the right striker for us because his talents are shown off and on but I'd keep him because he offers different strengths to the team.

      Kelly - Young and has a future. Also can do a job when Glen is to be played on the left or when he's out.

      Coates - Has been playing well when he starts and is for the future.

      Flanagan - Started out well last season but alot of getting caught on this season but only 19 so is a decent cover.

      Shelvey - Keep because he's the closest thing to the next Gerrard with him. Only 20 and has a future as well.

      Henderson - I quite like him. He doesn't shine and I don't know if he will, but he certainly isn't the poorest. Just alot of simple things from him which I'm unsure whether it's good for the club in the long term...

      Spearing - at best a squad player

      Bellamy - good player when starts and also when comes off the bench. If only he was 25 years old ...

      Out

      Carragher - love the man but I think his time is up. Has been more of a liability than asset in recent years.

      Kuyt - love the man as well but frustrates me alot. Not a player who can exactly change things from the bench.

      Maxi - well, has been underused and definitely look like a player not wanted.

      Aurelio - always injured. Class on his day but probably behind Enrique and Johnson even.

      Cole - Not wanted.

      Aquilani - Not wanted.

      Sign

      Two wingers - we need pace on the wings. In the last few years, we've played with Kuyt, Maxi, Henderson, Meireles - all whom aren't wingers. we need speed, wingers who can put in killer balls and who can score.

      Midfielder - definitely someone in the centre beside Lucas who is a creative player and strong. I'm not sure if we should get two cause I like someone like De Jong to whack the sh*t out of opposition.

      Striker - 31 times hitting the woodwork, lowest conversion rate in the league. Definitely need a goalscorer.
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      Reply #37: May 06, 2012 11:28:08 am
      This is end of season report and the buck stops with Kenny unless you want me to ignore that massive fact.  Not good enough from players or manager this season.  This season should never be acceptable for Liverpool football club.
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      Reply #38: May 06, 2012 11:29:46 am
      This is end of season report and the buck stops with Kenny unless you want me to ignore that massive fact.  Not good enough from players or manager this season.  This season should never be acceptable for Liverpool football club.


       Yawn. I left the forum alone for a bit because I was getting bored with it, I just remembered what causes it most of the time.
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      Reply #39: May 06, 2012 11:30:39 am
      I think the fact that our stand out players this season have been Skrtel and Agger tells us all we need to know about this season.
      Losing Lucas and Adam is something we weren't prepared for as a squad.
      We have seen obvious areas that need addressing.
      Kuyt and Maxi will need replacing and it will come down to quality of replacement.
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      Reply #40: May 06, 2012 11:36:57 am
      The yawn is for you Mick. I call it blind faith. Why im steering clear of the forum most of the time lately posters like you.
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      Reply #41: May 06, 2012 12:01:48 pm
      The yawn is for you Mick. I call it blind faith. Why im steering clear of the forum most of the time lately posters like you.
      Please piss us off after the season is over not now when well me not sure about others feel physically sick.
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      Reply #42: May 06, 2012 12:08:14 pm
      Please piss us off after the season is over

      The season is over kid - pride at stake but thats about it.
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      Reply #43: May 06, 2012 12:45:25 pm
      Most of the comments in the opening post are hard to argue with. My thoughts going forward:

       Reina: IMO has given the club a difficult decision so bad has he been this season. Another one like it and we won't get much for him (I really do think he has been desperately poor far too often), but obviously we live in hope he can reproduce his best form (which is/was fantastic). Do we sell him and take the cash, or wait? I know many will go berserk at such sacrilage, but good goalkeepers win you football matches. Yesterday was a prime example.

       Enrique:As S@int says, he's fallen away badly along with the rest of the team. His partnership with Downing is much like two people trying to get through the bus doors at the same time. Still a good buy at 6 mill, but needs to improve a fair bit.

       Skrtel & Agger: Both have been very good for us this season and as long as Agger can stay fit, we should be sorted. Carra looks like he is on his way down, while Coates needs to improve a bit further but will take up the 3rd choice spot next season. We'll probably need another centra half before the end of the next campaign.

       Johnson: I like him a lot and if we dovetail him with Gerrard on the right next season (which I think we should) then they will provide balance, goals and assists in abundance. Lets just do it.

       Downing: My suspicion before we signed him was that he is a bread and butter Premiership player. Decent but unspectacular, I thought we had paid way over the top for him and that we would have been far better off signing his Aston Villa teammate. I think I was right on this one. Still, we've paid a fortune for him, he'll be on big money so we are extremely unlikely to be able to move him on. He is left footed which is rare, and he can play much better than he has this term. Economics dictate we're probably just going to have to cross our fingers and hope he delivers.

       Gerrard: Still a wonderful footballer but he and us are going to have to find the best way to play him. For me, playing off the front man is no longer within his compass. He either needs to play as a holding midfielder or on the right. The second option screams out as the right one for me.

       Henderson: I was an advocate of his signing but I was wrong. For me he is a mile away from being good enough and I have severe doubts now that he will get there. Lacks the physicality to be able to play in central midfield in anything other than a sitting role, and makes next to zero telling contributions to matches. If we could persuade anyone to pay 8-10 million for him I'd bite their arm off at the elbow, but my suspicion is that it won't happen. Could turn out to be Aquilani mark 2 I'm afraid, and in my view we desperately need a quality replacement.

       Lucas: A quality holding midfielder, but when you select him you give yourself a small connundrum. You MUST dovetail him with a dynamic partner, simply because the Brazillian provides next to zero going forward. Unfortunately for us, Gerrard can no longer be that partner IMHO, while Charlie Adam can't do it on a consistent basis and Jordan Henderson will never be able to do it while he's got a hole in his @rse. We need a top quality central midfielder IMHO, particularly if we are going to play a pure holder like Lucas. 

       Spearing: A scouser and a good kid. Like Henderson though, a long way from being good enough to be a regular starter in a top team. The much maligned Frank Lampard and Jon Obi Mikkel were head and shoulders better than either yesterday. Squad player at a stretch.

       Adam: I quite like him and he would have been an improvement on either of our two central midfielders yesterday. That said, we cannot seriously compete wiothout a really top top quality central midfielder who is going to make things happen regularly. Gerrard is increasingly looking like he is no longer able to fill the role, so we must recruit and relegate the likes of Charlie to the squad role he actually fits.

       Suarez: A fantastic footballer who we must build the team around. When he plays with Carroll, they are kind of like two three year olds playing in a room in that they play beside each other rather than together. The answer IMHo is to sign another striker who can interchange with both.

       Carroll: I remain convinced that one day he will make a beast of a centre forward. His dynamic performance yesterday which almost allowed him to single-handedly flip the game on its head was hugely encouraging. I'm an advocate and would stay with him.

       Kuyt/Maxi I'd move both on.

       Kelly/Shelvey/Flanaghan all need to improve a fair bit if they're going to make it IMHO. Kelly might actually be a centre half as well.

       Jack Robinson: I like this lad and think he's our best kid. Will play International football IMHO.   


      +1!

      Spot on on 95% of what you said mate... Think Lucas forward passing is alot better than what you said though....

      I can only agree on the rest!

      2012/2013
      Out - - Kuyt, Spearing (send him on loan or whatever but cant be a starting 11), Maxi
      Should be sold but wont/cant be - Downing and Henderson
      Keep as subs (Hopefully Impact) until prove otherwise - Adam, Downing, Hendo, Bellers, Carroll (Most promise since Newcastle), Shelvey! Nearly all our new signings! Shocking!
      Signings - 2no. Attacking Wingers, 1 striker, 1 DM!
      Break in to starting 11 - Sterling and Pacheco (Still think he has it)...
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #44: May 06, 2012 01:02:52 pm
      Definitely a tough one an none of us have a proper input into what will actually happen (unless kenny is on this forum?) but I just want this season to end now, glad weve reached wembley 3 times and certainly no complaints over our cup runs, wins over Everton, United, City, Chelscum (sadly not twice). But I think some of those home draws early on in the season probably set the mood really, we had soo many missed chances that set confidence and spirit low, strange because we could end up in the bottom half, but if we would have finished probably half of those easy chances weve had it would be a very different story, but dont want to take this to would haves, should haves and could haves.

      Don't want to see too many players out or in actually as i think it could unsettle the team a little, just look at our squad this season, the majority of players havent been at the club for more than 2 years or are youngsters having their first 1 or 2 full seasons at the club. Constant progress of Kelly, Flanagan, Robinson, Shelvey, Spearing, Sterling an a couple others is VERY important as I would say at least 2 of them could be very important to us in a couple of years, I imagine they won't be in our primary first 11 so they should go out on loan, although would keep Kelly + Spearing for backup's. Think most people agree that time is up for Aurelio, Maxi + Kuyt, shame as they are top players on their day but just dont see them at our club anymore. With Aquilani + Cole coming back to us I think we definitely need to offload 1 or 2 midfielders that are maybe surplus to requirements, my bets on Aquialani, Cole and wouldnt be too suprised to see Adam go but not sure. I think getting Nuri Sahin in from Madrid would greatly benefit us, especially as they want to let him go and maybe Alonso + Arbeloa could give him some guidance to come here. Lucas will feel like a new signing to us next season and Im gonna expect to see Gerrard being on the bench a lot next season. Most important signing for us is a right-winger, over the past 10 years or so don't think weve had one right winger that ive been fully satisfied with, need a creative fast player such as Lennon or Walcott, maybe it could be Muniain from Bilbao (seen that the owners are keen to get a lot of under 23 talent in to the team) and weather we have the cash to sign a right winger + striker that are top quality an weather many players are willing to come to us is a different story but Im confident that next season our progress will be shown much greater, would happily take a good push for 4th, a good run in Europe and another day out at wembley think it is really promising times for the club.
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      Reply #45: May 06, 2012 01:33:38 pm
      Its been a season of hit and miss and ups and downs but personally I don't believe we have to do that much, we need to get rid of the players that have not featured much and replace them with players that can relegate some of our current starting XI players into squad players.

      Personally I'd go.

      Starting XI.

      Reina.

      Johnson
      Skrtel
      Agger
      Enrique

      Gerrard
      Lucas

      Suarez
      Carroll

      So that indicates we need two out and wingers for the starting XI that are a class above Downing.

      Squad players.

      Doni.

      Kelly.
      Coates.
      Carra
      Robinson.

      Downing.
      Adam.
      Henderson.

      That indicates we need two strikers and a right winger.

      Youth/squad fillers

      Gulacsi

      Flannagan
      Danny Wilson.

      Shelvey
      Sterling.

      Out.

      Brad Jones.

      Aurelio.
      Possibly Carra ??

      Maxi
      Aquilani
      Cole
      Kuyt

      Bellamy.

      Now with Lucas's injury its been shown we need a defensive midfielder.

      So we'll go for ins.

      Possibly a CB if Carra retires but I'd promote Coates to 3rd choice and make Wilson 4th choice.
      DM
      2 right wingers.
      1 left winger.
      2 strikers.

      So possibly eight out and six players in.

      Looks like a lot but its no different to what we done in the summer and our net spend wasn't really that high.






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      Reply #46: May 06, 2012 01:51:26 pm
      This has been a great season if you watch it backwards. We finish on a run that includes a convincing cup win against Exeter, a draw against Sunderland in a game that doesn't matter and points away against Arsenal, who don't look like they'll qualify for anything next season. Also, Lucas comes back from injury to boss our midfield, and Suarez is a model of international diplomacy. Even more fortuitous, three sh*t teams give us tens of millions in cash in exchange for some fabulously mediocre players we've been trying to offload then we celebrate with a holiday in the Far East.

      Watching the upcoming Chelsea game backwards, I expect to see us do incredibly well in the opening 36 minutes, before tiring and getting the early bus home.
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      Reply #47: May 06, 2012 01:52:10 pm
      Suarez and Carroll are two big pluses. Henderson is easily good enough. This year we need a few more good prospects to integrate into the side. We will get there in a couple of seasons at this rate. I HAVE SPOKEN!!
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      Reply #48: May 06, 2012 02:09:24 pm
      We need to buy real quality for the CM area and maybe another holding player as cover for Lucas, someone said Lucas was not as good as people make out the same thing was said about Makalaly and look what happened to Madrid when they got rid of him to Chelsea, Lucas is one of those that goes about his work and is not noticed until he is not there, our results went downhill from the moment he got injured, Jay is no back up to Lucas because at his best he is only half the player Lucas is.

      Kenny is my big worry I see no pattern emerging where you can see where we are going, often it takes a goal against like yesterday to get a reaction from the team, it was easy for Chelsea until we brought on AC and much to my surprise he delivered, I think AC came of age in an LFC shirt and he must realize how scared defenders are of him when he plays like he did yesterday and the way he used to at N'Castle, he was our MOTM even though he only played for 35mins, well done AC.

      Another of my concerns with Kenny is the choice of players he buys and his use of subs as I cannot fathom what he is trying to do, Henderson is a CM and out on the right he gets lost, he has no pace which all wide-men need yesterdays game was a prime example of how not to play as everything was square on and played in strait lines it may have worked if they had played the ball forwards but everything went side on and put Chelsea under no pressure, Gerard's role was just as confusing as I could not see if he was supposed to be behind Suarez or in a CM area, sometimes he was back helping the defense and so when moves of the Chavs broke down their was only one guy up the field and he was isolated so when he had the ball(which was rare)there was no-one to give it to.

      The owners have to get it right this summer if not it may set us back years, another season like this and I cannot see us hanging on to Suarez, Riena and Lucas they are all coming into their best years and they will not want to be at a mid-table team with no ambition but like I say thats all down to the owners where we go from here so I hope they get it right and this season will turn out just a learning curve.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #49: May 06, 2012 02:09:31 pm
      out

      Kuyt
      Maxi
      Spearing
      Adam


      In
      Dm
      Two Wingers
      a number 9 striker
      (non british)
      then lets have a F***ing go at the top 4
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #50: May 06, 2012 03:00:02 pm
      Summary
      Pepe - Very poor season by his standards, Kenny needs to make the call and give the others a chance if Pepe isn't delivering. For next season I'd want to see Doni or Jones in the cup competitions as regular starters, keep Pepe on his toes and give him some rest for the league games.
      Johnson - Can't believe people are crying out for him to be sold, very good on the break and I think been pretty solid this season. We need attacking fullbacks if we want to do well, and from his outings this season has guaranteed himself the number 1 RB spot. Id still like to try him on the wing too or even a "sweeper" role.
      Carragher - It hurts me to say it but the many seasons putting his body on the line in the league has really caught up with him. You need defenders with pace nowadays and its abandoned Carra. Definitely would like to see him in a coaching role as his positioning throughout his career has been outstanding. Great servant to the cause.
      Agger - Top defender, shame he gets injured but when hes fit he has to be any mans number 1 choice.
      Skrtel - My player of the season. No longer a liability, along with the Dane have to be the future to Liverpools back line.
      Coates - I was dubious after his first few games as hadn't seen much of him other than highlights of the Copa America's and he was looking a liability. I think has shown real progress throughout the season and my number 1 CB backup.
      Enrique - Looked like a real astute signing by Kenny/Comolli at the start of the season but started to fade towards the end. I think he'll come back with a bang, but needs cover.
      Kelly - Seemed to take a few steps back this year. Still looks like a massive natural talent though and hope Kenny + the coaching staff can get him back on track.
      Flanno - Similar to Kelly, didn't live up the high expectations set in the run in to last season. Hopefully gets a good rest in the summer and targets next year to break into the first team.
      Spearing - Had some good performances, but overall the step up has looked to much. Hes been on the fringes of the squad for quite some time, but i personally think we need better cover for Lucas to challenge him for his starting berth, and Spearing just wont fit that bill.
      Shelvey - looked inspirational during his loan at Blackpool and i really want him to succeed. Had some good games, but overall i think he hasn't shown the same quality when playing for the first team.
      Lucas - been a big miss this season, was really starting to develop into the beast of a defensive midfielder needed. Contrary to popular opinion, compared to his first few seasons in my op, his touch and passing ability have really improved. Will be a big test to see if can kick off where he left off when back from injury.
      Henderson - been poor and i still dont know where his best position is. Has had a lot of chances to prove his worth but nowhere near his fee at the moment. Has got youth on his side which is my personal only reason for keeping him.
      Adam - Disagree with a lot of the posts trying to save him. Cant tackle and has to play the "quarterback role". Plus is he was cheap and can be used as a squad player but been completely let down by his performances this season compared to last. He'd be a bench warmer for me.
      Downing - Started well int he first game of the season, never really looked to put in that sort of performance again after that. He was brought in to service Carroll and his delivery has been poor. Id get rid and cut the loses.
      Gerrard - Poor season from Captain Fantastic, i just hope hes not showing signs of being on the wrong side of thirty and has a little bit more reserves in the tank.
      Bellamy - looked like our best summer signing during our cup run, but faded after the injury. Still has a spark though and i'd definitely have him in the squad/on the bench if fit.
      Kuyt - Has had a poor season along with the rest of the midfield and hasnt chipped in as many goals as should. Looks like starting to pass the peak of his career.
      Carroll - the anomaly. Do you, don't you, will he wont he. Looked absolutely desperate for most of the season, but started showing why Kenny has so much faith in him towards the end. Simple fact is even if you hate him, we would take such a lose getting rid, its not financially an option. Id definitely keep him anyways, a good option to bring on and need his height and power in some of the fixtures of the premier league.
      Suarez - ohh what would have been if Judas hadn't been, well Judas. Top striker, i think has been unlucky with amount of times he has hit the woodwork but needs to be the focus point of our attacks next year as hes a game changer and without a doubt the most skillful footballer in our squad, many - including myself might argue, the league.

      For the summer i would focus on the following movers and shakers:
      Needed:
      Striker - instinctive goal scorer please  - up to 25mill, Soldado's shouting at me.
      Left Winger - Young pacey winger who can cut inside, take a gamble Kenny, we need more options on the flanks. - up to 8 mill.
      Right Winger  - proven winger with a bit of class, Adam Johnson/Affelay-esque. - 15 mill
      Creative Midfielder  - This needs to be a big signing, ie young emerging talent not pricey. Elm/Kagawa-esque. - up to 10-14 mill.
      Defensive Midfielder  - Need cover for Lucas, id go with an experienced player ending their career. - up to 10 mill.
      Left Back  - Enrique would still be my number 1, but need him to fight for his starting berth, Robinson might be able to fit this bill, if not id spend another 8 mill on cover, Glen doesnt cut it on the right, if Enrique got injured for the season, we'd be lacking cover. - up to 8 mill.

      8+10+14+15+8+25 = 80 mill.

      Outs
      Aquilani - The saga's gone on long enough, I want a young talent that can rock the boat and regardless if you think he had a good end of season a few years ago, i don't think he fits the bill for our new look squad "attacking midfielder" - 10 mill
      Cole - Same as above had a good season with Lille but our squad is crying out for pace. We should try to recoup some money from the free, to inject into some youth signings and think for the long term. - 5 mill
      Spearing - I know hes a devout fan but i just don't think he's ever going to be where we want him to be. - 5 mill
      Downing - cut our losses, get some pace and bring in a new look set of wingers. I know its crazy the position we need more heads but I just have no belief he will ever be near good enough. - 8 mill
      Aurelio - Cant see him starting and if Enrique was injured should use the opportunity to phase some youth into the team. - free
      Carra - Sorry to say it but the time is up and don't want him to have "cameo" cup appearances, hes better than that. Member of the coaching staff he should be, as have to keep his humour around the dressing room. - free/retired
      Maxi - I feel bad for Maxi as he's done well when called upon but then seems to loose the rhythm when playing regularly. We should try to get some cash while we still can and give him his much wanted move back home to South America - 3 mill.
      Kuyt - This cheeky chappy with live on in liverpool folklore, i still remember his "superman" costume in the Halloween party (of 09?) with the most druken smile I've ever seen. Great guy and be very sad to see him go but we need to look to the future and Dirks pace has left him. - 4 mill.

      10+5+5+8+4+3 = 35 mill.

      45 mill difference, which is don't think is exactly a lot for FSG to fork out over the summer before the fairplay rules come into play. Can see Chelski, Manure and City spending double/tripe that. Roll on the transfer market and a much needed break from the agonies of this season.

      Well done lads for bring a trophy home this season and great work in the cup competitions, but take a long look at that league table over the next 3 months and ask yourselves what improvements are needed for 12/13.
      « Last Edit: May 06, 2012 03:10:36 pm by Benito »
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #51: May 06, 2012 03:16:55 pm
      Keep seeing that we need 'wingers'.

      Do we really, are wingers the answer? I'd rather have versatile attacking midfielders personally.

      Just thinking, correct me if I'm wrong, have many of the successful sides over the last few years played with out and out wingers?

      United maybe but can't think of too many others.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #52: May 06, 2012 03:22:07 pm
      Keep seeing that we need 'wingers'.

      Do we really, are wingers the answer? I'd rather have versatile attacking midfielders personally.

      Just thinking, correct me if I'm wrong, have many of the successful sides over the last few years played with out and out wingers?

      United maybe but can't think of too many others.

      At least the other teams have the option regardless of their "preferred" formation. Downing is our only natural width at the moment...
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      Reply #53: May 06, 2012 09:17:45 pm
      Summary
      Pepe - Very poor season by his standards, Kenny needs to make the call and give the others a chance if Pepe isn't delivering. For next season I'd want to see Doni or Jones in the cup competitions as regular starters, keep Pepe on his toes and give him some rest for the league games.
      Johnson - Can't believe people are crying out for him to be sold, very good on the break and I think been pretty solid this season. We need attacking fullbacks if we want to do well, and from his outings this season has guaranteed himself the number 1 RB spot. Id still like to try him on the wing too or even a "sweeper" role.
      Carragher - It hurts me to say it but the many seasons putting his body on the line in the league has really caught up with him. You need defenders with pace nowadays and its abandoned Carra. Definitely would like to see him in a coaching role as his positioning throughout his career has been outstanding. Great servant to the cause.
      Agger - Top defender, shame he gets injured but when hes fit he has to be any mans number 1 choice.
      Skrtel - My player of the season. No longer a liability, along with the Dane have to be the future to Liverpools back line.
      Coates - I was dubious after his first few games as hadn't seen much of him other than highlights of the Copa America's and he was looking a liability. I think has shown real progress throughout the season and my number 1 CB backup.
      Enrique - Looked like a real astute signing by Kenny/Comolli at the start of the season but started to fade towards the end. I think he'll come back with a bang, but needs cover.
      Kelly - Seemed to take a few steps back this year. Still looks like a massive natural talent though and hope Kenny + the coaching staff can get him back on track.
      Flanno - Similar to Kelly, didn't live up the high expectations set in the run in to last season. Hopefully gets a good rest in the summer and targets next year to break into the first team.
      Spearing - Had some good performances, but overall the step up has looked to much. Hes been on the fringes of the squad for quite some time, but i personally think we need better cover for Lucas to challenge him for his starting berth, and Spearing just wont fit that bill.
      Shelvey - looked inspirational during his loan at Blackpool and i really want him to succeed. Had some good games, but overall i think he hasn't shown the same quality when playing for the first team.
      Lucas - been a big miss this season, was really starting to develop into the beast of a defensive midfielder needed. Contrary to popular opinion, compared to his first few seasons in my op, his touch and passing ability have really improved. Will be a big test to see if can kick off where he left off when back from injury.
      Henderson - been poor and i still dont know where his best position is. Has had a lot of chances to prove his worth but nowhere near his fee at the moment. Has got youth on his side which is my personal only reason for keeping him.
      Adam - Disagree with a lot of the posts trying to save him. Cant tackle and has to play the "quarterback role". Plus is he was cheap and can be used as a squad player but been completely let down by his performances this season compared to last. He'd be a bench warmer for me.
      Downing - Started well int he first game of the season, never really looked to put in that sort of performance again after that. He was brought in to service Carroll and his delivery has been poor. Id get rid and cut the loses.
      Gerrard - Poor season from Captain Fantastic, i just hope hes not showing signs of being on the wrong side of thirty and has a little bit more reserves in the tank.
      Bellamy - looked like our best summer signing during our cup run, but faded after the injury. Still has a spark though and i'd definitely have him in the squad/on the bench if fit.
      Kuyt - Has had a poor season along with the rest of the midfield and hasnt chipped in as many goals as should. Looks like starting to pass the peak of his career.
      Carroll - the anomaly. Do you, don't you, will he wont he. Looked absolutely desperate for most of the season, but started showing why Kenny has so much faith in him towards the end. Simple fact is even if you hate him, we would take such a lose getting rid, its not financially an option. Id definitely keep him anyways, a good option to bring on and need his height and power in some of the fixtures of the premier league.
      Suarez - ohh what would have been if Judas hadn't been, well Judas. Top striker, i think has been unlucky with amount of times he has hit the woodwork but needs to be the focus point of our attacks next year as hes a game changer and without a doubt the most skillful footballer in our squad, many - including myself might argue, the league.

      For the summer i would focus on the following movers and shakers:
      Needed:
      Striker - instinctive goal scorer please  - up to 25mill, Soldado's shouting at me.
      Left Winger - Young pacey winger who can cut inside, take a gamble Kenny, we need more options on the flanks. - up to 8 mill.
      Right Winger  - proven winger with a bit of class, Adam Johnson/Affelay-esque. - 15 mill
      Creative Midfielder  - This needs to be a big signing, ie young emerging talent not pricey. Elm/Kagawa-esque. - up to 10-14 mill.
      Defensive Midfielder  - Need cover for Lucas, id go with an experienced player ending their career. - up to 10 mill.
      Left Back  - Enrique would still be my number 1, but need him to fight for his starting berth, Robinson might be able to fit this bill, if not id spend another 8 mill on cover, Glen doesnt cut it on the right, if Enrique got injured for the season, we'd be lacking cover. - up to 8 mill.

      8+10+14+15+8+25 = 80 mill.

      Outs
      Aquilani - The saga's gone on long enough, I want a young talent that can rock the boat and regardless if you think he had a good end of season a few years ago, i don't think he fits the bill for our new look squad "attacking midfielder" - 10 mill
      Cole - Same as above had a good season with Lille but our squad is crying out for pace. We should try to recoup some money from the free, to inject into some youth signings and think for the long term. - 5 mill
      Spearing - I know hes a devout fan but i just don't think he's ever going to be where we want him to be. - 5 mill
      Downing - cut our losses, get some pace and bring in a new look set of wingers. I know its crazy the position we need more heads but I just have no belief he will ever be near good enough. - 8 mill
      Aurelio - Cant see him starting and if Enrique was injured should use the opportunity to phase some youth into the team. - free
      Carra - Sorry to say it but the time is up and don't want him to have "cameo" cup appearances, hes better than that. Member of the coaching staff he should be, as have to keep his humour around the dressing room. - free/retired
      Maxi - I feel bad for Maxi as he's done well when called upon but then seems to loose the rhythm when playing regularly. We should try to get some cash while we still can and give him his much wanted move back home to South America - 3 mill.
      Kuyt - This cheeky chappy with live on in liverpool folklore, i still remember his "superman" costume in the Halloween party (of 09?) with the most druken smile I've ever seen. Great guy and be very sad to see him go but we need to look to the future and Dirks pace has left him. - 4 mill.

      10+5+5+8+4+3 = 35 mill.

      45 mill difference, which is don't think is exactly a lot for FSG to fork out over the summer before the fairplay rules come into play. Can see Chelski, Manure and City spending double/tripe that. Roll on the transfer market and a much needed break from the agonies of this season.

      Well done lads for bring a trophy home this season and great work in the cup competitions, but take a long look at that league table over the next 3 months and ask yourselves what improvements are needed for 12/13.


      I agree with your assessment and players in/out almost perfectly! However I think you are overestimating the money we will recoup from sales. E.g. Aquillani at £10m, Cole at £5m. Just cant see that happening.

      With Kuyt, we could definitely get more than £4m for him. Considering his big game record and experience. E.g. Scoring in champions league final, playing in World Cup Final. £4m would actually be insulting.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #54: May 06, 2012 09:45:52 pm
      Kenny and the club have to be ruthless and get rid of players who simply aren't,t good enough :
      Henderson ...championship player
      Downing .....underperformed all season
      Adam .........championship,player

      Would try and offload these ! Kuyt,Maxi,,for me Shelvey should be a first team regular ,obviously we need creative players in midfield who can change a game and score goals too! Our best player all season has been Skrtel ,Reina has had a mare of a year but is a class act that will up his game ,hopefully Kenny will get money to strengthen the squad £60 mill would do !
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #55: May 06, 2012 10:18:28 pm
      Kenny and the club have to be ruthless and get rid of players who simply aren't,t good enough :
      Henderson ...championship player
      Downing .....underperformed all season
      Adam .........championship,player

      Would try and offload these ! Kuyt,Maxi,,for me Shelvey should be a first team regular ,obviously we need creative players in midfield who can change a game and score goals too! Our best player all season has been Skrtel ,Reina has had a mare of a year but is a class act that will up his game ,hopefully Kenny will get money to strengthen the squad £60 mill would do !
      Im pretty sure any of the bottom teams in the PL would like Henderson or Adam mate.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #56: May 07, 2012 11:53:16 am
      Pepe – Something looks to have bothered our ever green keeper IMO... Not his best season, however this dip in form is noticeable because of the high standards. One or two big errors have cost us, but this does not mean that he is a poor keeper and that he will not be world class next season.

      Johnson – Injuries has cost him a firm place in the team. When he has played he has looked a threat – something we have been lacking from wide positions. With a solid winger ahead of him he will shine, looking forward to seeing him next season.

      Carragher – As much as I hate to say it I believe this should be his last season. He has been world class for many a year, but the lack of pace is starting to show. Would love to see him at the club as a coach / assistant manager or a fringe player making a few appearances next season.

      Agger – Best defender we have – great season aside from the injuries. On the ball he is class – so much so I believe moving him to a DM could be on the cards if we get another CB.

      Skrtel – With Agger he looks like a different player, without not so great. Knows the league, team and what is expected so will remain at LFC for a while. However not irreplaceable and needs to perform better without Agger.

      Coates – Surprised and pleased with his progress – no doubt this has happened because we have no other quality in this area. Hope to see a lot more of him next season before he becomes a regular.

      Enrique – Signing of the season? Has faded a bit towards the end of the season, but the team has to be fair. Skilful,  has pace and gets forward. Hope to see a lot of him next season...

      Kelly – Looks great but not sure if he is ready for 1st team each and every game – but in time.

      Flanno – Not sure about Flanno to be honest, he looks good but a bit lightweight... Can dive in to a tackle which is not what you can afford in the Premiership, but well worth another season to see.

      Spearing – Opportunity wasted by the lad here. Once Lucas was out for the season he had a chance to cement his position in the team – has failed to do this. Good player, but can’t see him staying for long – if he doesn’t start then cant see the value of having him on the bench.

      Shelvey – Same as Spearing here... Looks good behind the strikers so will stay and should make this position his (or perhaps just behind Carroll) next season.

      Lucas – Can he come back as strong as when he left? Lets hope so... Missed him a lot (think he still has made the most tackles this season!) and next season this could be difference.

      Henderson – I hope this is a blip but he has not been good enough for a regular place. Think he was overwhelmed by LFC and has not stepped up to the mark. One for the future but needs to start taking on players and going forward.

      Adam – Poor season, perhaps suffered from good player crap club at Blackpool... Poor in the tackle and for a set peace spechalist failed to deliver on this too. Squad player.

      Downing – Flattered to deceive this season. Saturday was the final straw for me – reminded me of Kewell too much. Poor distribution, not tracking back, lack of hunger and desire. We will keep him and play him, but for me we should cut our losses and replace. 

      Gerrard – Not a great season for super Stevie. Injuries have kept him out and when he played I think others look to him, thus dropping off mentally. Still a world class player – and one of the best we have. 

      MAXI – What does he have to do to get a game..? Scores when he is on, but not on enough! If he was 10 years younger we would be laughing, however... Will probably leave and wish him the best.

      Bellamy – With his knees being suspect this guy has been cracking. Fire, passion and skills... Sometimes looks like he is going to kill the ref – but if you could take his attitude and put it into others we would be class..! Give him as many games as he can handle next season, or impact player.

      Kuyt – All action player that is now starting to age. Would let him leave, but what a player he has been for us over the years – some great goals and memories. This will make way for a youngster...

      Carroll – I think most are the same here. Poor season, great last 5 games... If he can play like he did on Saturday for the season then would be amazing. Keep and play with two fast skillfull players behind him and we could be immense – think Drogba for Chelsea...

      Suarez – Where do we start with Suarez..? Possibly the hardest season of his career all in all... Get some service to him and I believe that he will be a 20 a season striker with his skill and trickery. Been told by almost every none Liverpool fan that he is ‘an awful, cheating diver’  but if you ask them straight after if they would have him they all say yes. An enigma – and one of the very best  players in the Premiership if not the world...

      There will be a big shake up again... We need to once again remove the poor players we have and bring in some quality. For this job I can think of no one better than Kenny to stay in charge. Would be a shame if he left – but can still walk away proud if that is what he wants.  Next season will be better – watch the FA cup final again and look at the players when the final whistle went. The look in their eyes was not of a team that is defeated or ready to quit.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #57: May 07, 2012 03:28:54 pm
      Reina - Probably his worst season in a red shirt. Looks out of sorts. I trust him to come back next season though, better than ever. Not many keepers are better than him on his day, and more often than not in the past, it is his day. However if he has another season like this one, it may be time to say goodbye to Pepe.

      Johnson - Would've been player of the season, had he not been injured for me. For me, our best performer this season, bar maybe Skrtel. I really would hate to lose him, as I can't think of many RBs in the league better than this one. 

      Enrique - Started the season brilliantly. Hoped he would keep it up. If he has a season like the second half of this one, I truly worry. I think Robinson should get a few games next season, whether it be in the cups or in the league when we have commanding leads.

      Skrtel - Player of the season, mainly because Glen was injured. He has surpassed all my expectations for him, and him alongside Agger looks like one of the best CB partnerships in the league.

      Agger - Good season for Agger. Very good. Has looked our most likely player to score at times, with those 60 yard runs out from our own penalty area. Love the lad, just wish injuries would leave him alone.   

      Downing - Disappointing season for him. I think he'll be better next year though. I also think stats are very misleading, as had Carroll found a bit more form, earlier on this season, I think that assists chart would be up a few more.

      Gerrard - A season to forget. One of his worst seasons for the captain. Here's hoping a nice rest, without injuries will do him good for next season. And some shooting practice.

      Spearing - Very hard worker. Another one that has done well. He's not good enough to start consistently, but I definitely don't want to sell this lad.

      Henderson - Our biggest flop, in my opinion. That may be because he is played out of position too much though. I hope he's given more of a squad player role next season. Judging from some quality he's shown in the center, he has the skill. Just needs to apply it and take a few risks.

      Bellamy - Very, very good signing for us. Got him on a free too, which is brilliant. I'd keep him for another season, but then get rid of him. His injury seems to have taken him out of form though, which is sad.

      Suarez - Beast of a player. Our best player. Not our player of the season though. He needs someone to take a little pressure off his back. Sadly, Stevie wasn't able to as he was injured and then has been pretty much off form. Carroll is starting to relieve some of the pressure, but hopefully a bit more can be taken off with another addition or two in the striker department.   

      Kelly - Was fine and did very well, up until the Fulham game. That was a joke, but I won't judge him on that, as every player was ridiculously bad in that. Hopefully injuries leave him alone, too.

      Lucas - Our most important player, now for me. We need him. He is a good passer and tackler and we value him quite a bit. Underrated around other teams, but perhaps a bit overrated on here, like Saint said.

      Adam - Decent player, and hope we keep him. He's a good squad player. He's not as bad as Corbally, Anoop, and co. say. I hope to see more of his set piece potential next season.

      Carroll - Starting to find his feet, which is good. Hope he doesn't go to the euros or olympics. Don't want to see him lose form again. 

      Shelvey - Improved tremendously since his short spell on loan. Before he went he looked immature, overconfident and brash, since his loan he has looked confident and has a good chance of securing a future at the club. Very impressed with the progress he has made since his return.

      Coates - He has his good games, he has his bad. Looks to be a pretty good player and definitely glad we got him.

      Maxi - Good for the first half, gone in the second. He needs to move on as he is underappreciated by the King. Good player for us. 

      Kuyt - A horrible season for Dirk. He has missed sitters and has been dire in front of goal. He's someone I look as a legend though, and he'll always will be one.

      Carra - Give him another season and allow him to give it one more go at the league. Love the man and is liverpool through and through.

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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #58: May 07, 2012 06:50:26 pm
      That's exactly it. We really needed a striker and we really needed a Lucas replacement.

      Why didn't we do it? We could have the FA Cup and 4th place if we had.

      Yes, we would have paid a little more in January but if we achieved our goals this season which we have not come close to wouldn't it have been worth it!
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #59: May 07, 2012 07:41:37 pm
      Ok, here I go.

      Goalkeepers
      25. Pepe Reina - Definitely his worst season for us so far. He has been top class for long enough for me to believe he can get back to his best, and I have faith he will, so I wouldn't be too harsh on him. But he seriously need to look at himself and work harder to get back to his best.

      1. Brad Jones - Beautiful story this season, bittersweet game vs Blackburn (penalty save + one of the most horrendous mistakes by a keeper this season), good game vs Everton. Like the guy but as a keeper he's average at best. Decent backup but that's just about it. I hear Gulacsi is better; if so, hopefully he'll be our backup next season.

      32. Doni - Don't trust him at all. Had a good game vs Fulham but overall he's an unreliable keeper who I really don't want to see getting too many games. If we need someone to provide serious competition for Pepe, then I hope it's not him. 

      Defenders
      2. Glen Johnson - I'm part of a minority here who actually thinks he's a brilliant player. Not even half as bad defensively as some make him out to be, and is totally adept to playing offensive, passing football. If only we had more organization in the middle, such as Lucas who is great at covering the fullbacks advances on the pitch, he wouldn't be so exposed.

      34. Martin Kelly - I used to say I've never seen this lad play a bad game. Well, this season I have. But no one is infallible. I still rate him highly. I have no doubt about who I prefer at right back (Johnson), but I don't have any problems with Kelly playing either. This is probably our best position in the squad.

      38. Jon Flanagan - Didn't have as many opportunities, and was thrown in a team struggling, as opposed to last season, when we were in a very good run, and that was detrimental to his confidence and progress. He doesn't still me with as much confidence about his future as does Kelly, but he has the makings of a decent player. Gone backwards this season but I personally haven't lost faith on the lad. Maybe a loan could do him some good.

      3. José Enrique - Seemed to be the signing of the season until January/February, but now looks like a different player. Unfortunately, a much worse one. It is difficult to assess which one is the 'real' Enrique, especially cause I have never paid too much attention to him at Newcastle. He was a decent signing to say the least and hopefully will get back to his best once the team is more settled and balanced, something we are far from being at the moment.

      49. Jack Robinson - He hardly played this season, hard to say if he has improved enough to provide competition for Enrique. If not, we could always use Kelly on the right and Johnson on the left - not ideal, but it can work.

      23. Jamie Carragher - Always loved him as a player and I'm extremely grateful for several years of hard work all over the pitch, but he's definitely past his best. His energy was a fundamental part of his game and it's not the same as it used to be. Playing in a team without a proper DM certainly didn't help the CBs, but I'm afraid I'm not confident about Carra in the team anymore. We tend to play deeper with him, distribution is worse and he has lost his man way too often. Even if he doesn't choose to retire, I would try to keep his appearences limited next season.

      37. Martin Skrtel - Player of the season.

      5. Daniel Agger - Not much needed to say about him and Skrtel. Both were equally good, Skrtel probably better as he played more. I have the utmost confidence in those two, particularly Agger who I've always rated as one of Europe's best.

      16. Sebástian Coates - Not the finished article yet, but not too far from it, I would say. A confident defender who may be a bit ruthless in his tackles sometimes, but I wouldn't expect any different from an Uruguayan CB. Will probably be regarded as a steal in years to come.

      Midfielders
      21. Lucas Leiva - The fact most of our players never looked the same without him is a testament to his quality and importance in this current team. Not only he was playing as one of the best of his position, his importance is also derived from the fact we don't have good enough cover for him. I think it was a mistake not to bring a DM in January and our form since then has not changed my mind.

      20. Jay Spearing - I never thought he was going to be good for the first team, so just by doing so he has proved me wrong before. He was very good last season alongside Lucas and has tried his best to replace him, but he's not of the same standard. For the squad, we are lucky to have a guy like him - but he's not a proper DM, nor anything above average going forward. A decent CM who is decent at nearly every aspect of his game, Jay has a significant role in the squad, but is not a player I would be trusting to be a regular starter, particularly on his own as our only defensive minded midfielder.

      33. Jonjo Shelvey - I love this guy. I'm not sure whether he'll make it as a top player, but at the very least he's already a very useful one. In the hope we'll bring at least one more good midfielder in the summer, I would still keep Jonjo as I would trust him a place in the starting lineup more often than I would to the likes of Spearing and Henderson. If he is to be loaned out, hopefully it will be to a EPL club where he can actually play (Blackpool if they go up, for example).

      26. Charlie Adam - Not even half as bad as some make him out to be. Adam has serious limitations to his game but has his qualities as well. His set pieces were definitely the biggest disappointment, as he was supposed to improve our play in that aspect, but overall he was a player of ups and downs who still provided more to the team than the majority of the squad. He's kicked when he's down but hardly praised when he's good - he's the only player in the squad people make excuses for when he does something right ("he only made that pass because he was given space") and seems to take the blame for playing in a 2-men midfield, instead of the manager. However his limitations, I think he offers something to the squad and would be happy for him to either stay or go, depending on who we bring for the position.

      14. Jordan Henderson - I didn't know what to expect from him before the season as I hardly saw him play for Sunderland, but remember saying I was afraid we were paying the price of a first teamer for a youngster. And I think this season proved that point. I'm one of his biggest critics, but even more of Kenny in that aspect, for playing him too often, and most of the time in a position where his effectiveness is close to zero. I just looked at LFChistory.net and, for my surprise, Hendo is the player with most appearances for Liverpool this season (some of them from the bench, of course, but still an important stat). Is he ready for that? I think he's clearly not. I see potential in him, just not undoubted potential as some. Like Adam, at the moment he is a very limited player, but in his favor it can be said he is a much more regular player. The problem is, he's regularly average or just invisible. Won't make the eye-catching mistakes that Adam will, but doesn't provide the team with the opportunities as Adam does either. I would be more inclined to loan him out before I did the same to Jonjo. The only thing he has more than Jonjo is the transfer fee IMO. Needs to grow a lot as a player before he justifies being a regular starter for a club like LFC.

      8. Steven Gerrard - Much like Reina, Stevie is one of our best players but who needs to step up next season. The problem for him are injuries, and consequently the fact he is not playing regularly. It's hard to say if this is gonna continue to happen next season. What is clear is that we can't depend so much on him as we used to anymore.

      11. Maxi Rodriguez - A very intelligent player who is unfortunately way past his best. He still justifies his inclusion way more than others of his position in the current squad, but I would be happy not to depend on a player like him in our starting lineup in the future. His contribution to the game is very limited and he disappears way too often. That said, he's intelligent, can play in a pass&move style and gets himself into scoring positions all the time. He can read the game and use his brain which is something the next guy I'll talk about could do with. Wouldn't be sad to let him go, even though I wanted Kenny to have picked him way more than he did this season, but we should be able to do better than Maxi, and sign better players. If we get a player like that, and Maxi stays as a squad option, it's probably even better.

      19. Stewart Downing - Probably the worst signing of the season in the EPL. 0 goals and 0 assists in too many appearances speak for itself, no matter how much you try to bring "luck" into the debate. Confidence is a key factor to any football player (dare I say to any professional of any field), but how someone react when things aren't going the way he want is what will ultimately make him a success or not. Downing started well but even then, I wasn't so keen on him. For a player being used with nearly total freedom (he hardly tracked back then), he should be doing better with his chances and final balls. Well, at least at the start of the season he found himself in 1vs1 situations against the keeper and actually looked close to score, which was way better than the majority of the rest of the season, where he was sadly just a shadow of a winger. Different to some, I don't think he has been too different from the rest of his career - sure, he could be doing better, but he always been inconsistent in his delivery and way too predictable (I thought we had learnt the lesson of "most crosses in the league" with Jermain Pennant).

      Downing can be a lesson to this forum as well, as his transfer thread was emblematic of the ongoing discussions here through the whole season. Those (like me) who weren't in favor of his signing were deemed negative or just "whining bas**rds". Perhaps we (I can speak for myself only though) were just expressing honest and justified concerns. Most people here didn't want him 6 months before but changed their minds because Kenny wanted him and "Kenny knows better". I'm sure that overall Kenny does, but he is not infallible and the debate was relevant and genuine.

      As for Downing going or staying, it depends on a lot of things which I don't feel able to evaluate. I wouldn't think twice before saying "get rid", but it would depend on how much is offered for him and who else we can attract to the club. The problem about keeping him as a squad player (something I wouldn't be against) is that he is probably on high wages. Players who get involved in £20M transfer tend to ask for big wages and it's probably the case here. I just hope he is not on the starting lineup every week next season - for me, he was a mistake and I hold small hope of seeing him prove me wrong. Hope is the last to die though.

      39. Craig Bellamy - A very inspired signing. I honestly didn't expect him to have even half the impact he had, so Craig really proved me wrong this season. He still has quality and pace (something we badly needed) and an eye for the big game. The only sad fact about him is that the guy who was probably our best signing this season can't play as much as we need him to, due to his age and knees, which tends to get worse with time, unfortunately.

      Forwards
      7. Luis Suarez - A brilliant creator and a better finisher than he is given credit for IMO. Yes, he's not Romário in front of the goal, but he isn't a poor finisher either. I believe that, if the burden of creating chances wasn't so much on his shoulders, we would have a far better finisher in Luis, who is often finishing out of balance or after having gone past a few defenders. The ban didn't help either, killing his form and momentum. I think he rushes a few passes in the willingness of playing a one-two and it can be very wasteful of possession sometimes, although beautiful when it works. I would like to see him choosing better the moments he does that, but more importantly I would like him to have players of similar quality and characteristics around him. Hopefully we will, next season.

      18. Dirk Kuyt - I wouldn't be so fast to say his time in Liverpool is over. If he wants to leave it's another history, but unless we're bringing a lot of attacking players in the summer, I would prefer him to stay. Kuyt isn't world class and has never been, but he can play in a world class team and be effective, maybe even make them more effective. That's how I saw his great performance in the World Cup for Holland and his performance for us in our best EPL season to date. He's an intelligent player but, being limited in terms of pace and skill, he needs other players to fill these holes in his game, something he doesn't have in Downing, Carroll and Maxi. Definitely not a key player for next season, but one I wouldn't mind in the squad. Had one of his worst seasons but so did a lot of other players, and he wasn't involved as much as he used to.

      9. Andy Carroll - Much improved towards the end of the season, although not enough to warrant a team being built around him - that is something I said last year and now find myself saying again. The fact we have won more games with him than without him is an indication that Suarez is not a number 9 type of player, not that Andy has been great. His work-rate has tremendously improved and with that also his football, which is a positive sign for the future but I'm still hoping he will be an option in the squad rather than an 'automatic' starter next season. Even in his best games, I'm afraid his movement, skill and short passing were deficient and I would be more inclined to bring a player who works better with Suarez. Wouldn't make much sense to sell him unless we receive a good offer, and I can't see it happening. He seems hungry to prove he's worth of a number 9 Liverpool shirt though so I wouldn't be against keeping him and seeing how far he can go, but we definitely need options upfront.


      Overall, I don't feel confident in saying who should stay or go. There are a number of players (including nearly all of our signings this season, sadly) who I see as good enough for the squad, but wouldn't like seeing as regular starters. As a result, we have a big number of players who are relatively easy to replace, so it will depend on the offers we receive for players and if they want to stay or go (Maxi and Kuyt supposedly don't want to stay as squad players, for example). That said, I think wingers (I would prefer versatile attacking midfielders though, as someone said in another thread), a striker and central midfielder are priorities this summer.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #60: May 07, 2012 08:00:00 pm
      I would never have believed it if somebody had told me at the begining of the season that Fulham and them other cu*ts would finish above us. FFS
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      Reply #61: May 07, 2012 08:21:32 pm
      Ok, here I go.

      Goalkeepers
      25. Pepe Reina - Definitely his worst season for us so far. He has been top class for long enough for me to believe he can get back to his best, and I have faith he will, so I wouldn't be too harsh on him. But he seriously need to look at himself and work harder to get back to his best.

      1. Brad Jones - Beautiful story this season, bittersweet game vs Blackburn (penalty save + one of the most horrendous mistakes by a keeper this season), good game vs Everton. Like the guy but as a keeper he's average at best. Decent backup but that's just about it. I hear Gulacsi is better; if so, hopefully he'll be our backup next season.

      32. Doni - Don't trust him at all. Had a good game vs Fulham but overall he's an unreliable keeper who I really don't want to see getting too many games. If we need someone to provide serious competition for Pepe, then I hope it's not him. 

      Defenders
      2. Glen Johnson - I'm part of a minority here who actually thinks he's a brilliant player. Not even half as bad defensively as some make him out to be, and is totally adept to playing offensive, passing football. If only we had more organization in the middle, such as Lucas who is great at covering the fullbacks advances on the pitch, he wouldn't be so exposed.

      34. Martin Kelly - I used to say I've never seen this lad play a bad game. Well, this season I have. But no one is infallible. I still rate him highly. I have no doubt about who I prefer at right back (Johnson), but I don't have any problems with Kelly playing either. This is probably our best position in the squad.

      38. Jon Flanagan - Didn't have as many opportunities, and was thrown in a team struggling, as opposed to last season, when we were in a very good run, and that was detrimental to his confidence and progress. He doesn't still me with as much confidence about his future as does Kelly, but he has the makings of a decent player. Gone backwards this season but I personally haven't lost faith on the lad. Maybe a loan could do him some good.

      3. José Enrique - Seemed to be the signing of the season until January/February, but now looks like a different player. Unfortunately, a much worse one. It is difficult to assess which one is the 'real' Enrique, especially cause I have never paid too much attention to him at Newcastle. He was a decent signing to say the least and hopefully will get back to his best once the team is more settled and balanced, something we are far from being at the moment.

      49. Jack Robinson - He hardly played this season, hard to say if he has improved enough to provide competition for Enrique. If not, we could always use Kelly on the right and Johnson on the left - not ideal, but it can work.

      23. Jamie Carragher - Always loved him as a player and I'm extremely grateful for several years of hard work all over the pitch, but he's definitely past his best. His energy was a fundamental part of his game and it's not the same as it used to be. Playing in a team without a proper DM certainly didn't help the CBs, but I'm afraid I'm not confident about Carra in the team anymore. We tend to play deeper with him, distribution is worse and he has lost his man way too often. Even if he doesn't choose to retire, I would try to keep his appearences limited next season.

      37. Martin Skrtel - Player of the season.

      5. Daniel Agger - Not much needed to say about him and Skrtel. Both were equally good, Skrtel probably better as he played more. I have the utmost confidence in those two, particularly Agger who I've always rated as one of Europe's best.

      16. Sebástian Coates - Not the finished article yet, but not too far from it, I would say. A confident defender who may be a bit ruthless in his tackles sometimes, but I wouldn't expect any different from an Uruguayan CB. Will probably be regarded as a steal in years to come.

      Midfielders
      21. Lucas Leiva - The fact most of our players never looked the same without him is a testament to his quality and importance in this current team. Not only he was playing as one of the best of his position, his importance is also derived from the fact we don't have good enough cover for him. I think it was a mistake not to bring a DM in January and our form since then has not changed my mind.

      20. Jay Spearing - I never thought he was going to be good for the first team, so just by doing so he has proved me wrong before. He was very good last season alongside Lucas and has tried his best to replace him, but he's not of the same standard. For the squad, we are lucky to have a guy like him - but he's not a proper DM, nor anything above average going forward. A decent CM who is decent at nearly every aspect of his game, Jay has a significant role in the squad, but is not a player I would be trusting to be a regular starter, particularly on his own as our only defensive minded midfielder.

      33. Jonjo Shelvey - I love this guy. I'm not sure whether he'll make it as a top player, but at the very least he's already a very useful one. In the hope we'll bring at least one more good midfielder in the summer, I would still keep Jonjo as I would trust him a place in the starting lineup more often than I would to the likes of Spearing and Henderson. If he is to be loaned out, hopefully it will be to a EPL club where he can actually play (Blackpool if they go up, for example).

      26. Charlie Adam - Not even half as bad as some make him out to be. Adam has serious limitations to his game but has his qualities as well. His set pieces were definitely the biggest disappointment, as he was supposed to improve our play in that aspect, but overall he was a player of ups and downs who still provided more to the team than the majority of the squad. He's kicked when he's down but hardly praised when he's good - he's the only player in the squad people make excuses for when he does something right ("he only made that pass because he was given space") and seems to take the blame for playing in a 2-men midfield, instead of the manager. However his limitations, I think he offers something to the squad and would be happy for him to either stay or go, depending on who we bring for the position.

      14. Jordan Henderson - I didn't know what to expect from him before the season as I hardly saw him play for Sunderland, but remember saying I was afraid we were paying the price of a first teamer for a youngster. And I think this season proved that point. I'm one of his biggest critics, but even more of Kenny in that aspect, for playing him too often, and most of the time in a position where his effectiveness is close to zero. I just looked at LFChistory.net and, for my surprise, Hendo is the player with most appearances for Liverpool this season (some of them from the bench, of course, but still an important stat). Is he ready for that? I think he's clearly not. I see potential in him, just not undoubted potential as some. Like Adam, at the moment he is a very limited player, but in his favor it can be said he is a much more regular player. The problem is, he's regularly average or just invisible. Won't make the eye-catching mistakes that Adam will, but doesn't provide the team with the opportunities as Adam does either. I would be more inclined to loan him out before I did the same to Jonjo. The only thing he has more than Jonjo is the transfer fee IMO. Needs to grow a lot as a player before he justifies being a regular starter for a club like LFC.

      8. Steven Gerrard - Much like Reina, Stevie is one of our best players but who needs to step up next season. The problem for him are injuries, and consequently the fact he is not playing regularly. It's hard to say if this is gonna continue to happen next season. What is clear is that we can't depend so much on him as we used to anymore.

      11. Maxi Rodriguez - A very intelligent player who is unfortunately way past his best. He still justifies his inclusion way more than others of his position in the current squad, but I would be happy not to depend on a player like him in our starting lineup in the future. His contribution to the game is very limited and he disappears way too often. That said, he's intelligent, can play in a pass&move style and gets himself into scoring positions all the time. He can read the game and use his brain which is something the next guy I'll talk about could do with. Wouldn't be sad to let him go, even though I wanted Kenny to have picked him way more than he did this season, but we should be able to do better than Maxi, and sign better players. If we get a player like that, and Maxi stays as a squad option, it's probably even better.

      19. Stewart Downing - Probably the worst signing of the season in the EPL. 0 goals and 0 assists in too many appearances speak for itself, no matter how much you try to bring "luck" into the debate. Confidence is a key factor to any football player (dare I say to any professional of any field), but how someone react when things aren't going the way he want is what will ultimately make him a success or not. Downing started well but even then, I wasn't so keen on him. For a player being used with nearly total freedom (he hardly tracked back then), he should be doing better with his chances and final balls. Well, at least at the start of the season he found himself in 1vs1 situations against the keeper and actually looked close to score, which was way better than the majority of the rest of the season, where he was sadly just a shadow of a winger. Different to some, I don't think he has been too different from the rest of his career - sure, he could be doing better, but he always been inconsistent in his delivery and way too predictable (I thought we had learnt the lesson of "most crosses in the league" with Jermain Pennant).

      Downing can be a lesson to this forum as well, as his transfer thread was emblematic of the ongoing discussions here through the whole season. Those (like me) who weren't in favor of his signing were deemed negative or just "whining bas**rds". Perhaps we (I can speak for myself only though) were just expressing honest and justified concerns. Most people here didn't want him 6 months before but changed their minds because Kenny wanted him and "Kenny knows better". I'm sure that overall Kenny does, but he is not infallible and the debate was relevant and genuine.

      As for Downing going or staying, it depends on a lot of things which I don't feel able to evaluate. I wouldn't think twice before saying "get rid", but it would depend on how much is offered for him and who else we can attract to the club. The problem about keeping him as a squad player (something I wouldn't be against) is that he is probably on high wages. Players who get involved in £20M transfer tend to ask for big wages and it's probably the case here. I just hope he is not on the starting lineup every week next season - for me, he was a mistake and I hold small hope of seeing him prove me wrong. Hope is the last to die though.

      39. Craig Bellamy - A very inspired signing. I honestly didn't expect him to have even half the impact he had, so Craig really proved me wrong this season. He still has quality and pace (something we badly needed) and an eye for the big game. The only sad fact about him is that the guy who was probably our best signing this season can't play as much as we need him to, due to his age and knees, which tends to get worse with time, unfortunately.

      Forwards
      7. Luis Suarez - A brilliant creator and a better finisher than he is given credit for IMO. Yes, he's not Romário in front of the goal, but he isn't a poor finisher either. I believe that, if the burden of creating chances wasn't so much on his shoulders, we would have a far better finisher in Luis, who is often finishing out of balance or after having gone past a few defenders. The ban didn't help either, killing his form and momentum. I think he rushes a few passes in the willingness of playing a one-two and it can be very wasteful of possession sometimes, although beautiful when it works. I would like to see him choosing better the moments he does that, but more importantly I would like him to have players of similar quality and characteristics around him. Hopefully we will, next season.

      18. Dirk Kuyt - I wouldn't be so fast to say his time in Liverpool is over. If he wants to leave it's another history, but unless we're bringing a lot of attacking players in the summer, I would prefer him to stay. Kuyt isn't world class and has never been, but he can play in a world class team and be effective, maybe even make them more effective. That's how I saw his great performance in the World Cup for Holland and his performance for us in our best EPL season to date. He's an intelligent player but, being limited in terms of pace and skill, he needs other players to fill these holes in his game, something he doesn't have in Downing, Carroll and Maxi. Definitely not a key player for next season, but one I wouldn't mind in the squad. Had one of his worst seasons but so did a lot of other players, and he wasn't involved as much as he used to.

      9. Andy Carroll - Much improved towards the end of the season, although not enough to warrant a team being built around him - that is something I said last year and now find myself saying again. The fact we have won more games with him than without him is an indication that Suarez is not a number 9 type of player, not that Andy has been great. His work-rate has tremendously improved and with that also his football, which is a positive sign for the future but I'm still hoping he will be an option in the squad rather than an 'automatic' starter next season. Even in his best games, I'm afraid his movement, skill and short passing were deficient and I would be more inclined to bring a player who works better with Suarez. Wouldn't make much sense to sell him unless we receive a good offer, and I can't see it happening. He seems hungry to prove he's worth of a number 9 Liverpool shirt though so I wouldn't be against keeping him and seeing how far he can go, but we definitely need options upfront.


      Overall, I don't feel confident in saying who should stay or go. There are a number of players (including nearly all of our signings this season, sadly) who I see as good enough for the squad, but wouldn't like seeing as regular starters. As a result, we have a big number of players who are relatively easy to replace, so it will depend on the offers we receive for players and if they want to stay or go (Maxi and Kuyt supposedly don't want to stay as squad players, for example). That said, I think wingers (I would prefer versatile attacking midfielders though, as someone said in another thread), a striker and central midfielder are priorities this summer.

      Quality post mate - very fair across the board
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #62: May 07, 2012 09:22:51 pm
      Reina,Johnson,Skrtyl,Agger,Kelly,Lucas ,Gerrard,Luis,Andy. All worth keeping in the first team but thats only 9 and we are supposed to have a squad of 24.Enrique might be better of without Downing they just dont work together.
      Henderson,Adam,Downing,Kuyt,Bellamy,Maxi. Not good enough in my opinion if we want to challenge for the Premier league not just this bollocks of top 4.
      Coates looks promising and we have a couple of good kids FLanagan was looking good and will come again.
      As we have done for many years yet again we need a good wide man who can beat a man and cross a ball all in one movement.
      To use a brutal formula if City win the league and they had the choice of any of our players how many would they take.
      We have two major problems.
      1) no CL football means the very best players will seek other clubs first beofre us
      2) We need huge investment in the squad and I cant see it happening.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #63: May 07, 2012 10:26:45 pm
      Quality post mate - very fair across the board

      Thanks mate
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #64: May 08, 2012 02:34:40 am
      End of season report? Still thought we had two games left. My mistake.
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      Reply #65: May 14, 2012 02:31:40 am
      I don't think it's been too bad a season in all honesty, yes our league form has been dire, particularly the second half of this season, but the club has the ability to improve massively next season, and that will come down to the players. Whether they have learnt enough this year to iron out many of the mistakes they have made, I don't know. I still think that several of our players will continue to be inconsistent, as we haven't built up a great deal of confidence and the pressure has been on for them to perform. They can however, take a much needed summer off, have a think about where they went wrong and how they can improve upon it. I cant see Pepe Reina having such a bad season as the one he has had this year, and our defensive frailties have become evident in the second half of the season. Enrique and Reina both seemed to struggle for form, especially after the Arsenal defeat which lost us in the 'race for fourth'.

      That, I think was one of the biggest contributors to our downfall this season, the slide had begun somewhat before then, but we had the chance to instill hope and fight amongst the players, instead, apathy grew and when they needed to step up, they didn't. Unless that changes, or we sign players who have more confidence and determination, then we may see a repeat of this season  :-\

      On the plus side, we've seen some excellent displays from Shelvey, who seems to be very comfortable in the team, and has a real energy and potentcy about him. Bellamy has been one of our better free signings of the past couple of years, and his experience will be important for some of our younger players to learn from. Skrtl and Agger have established an excellent partnership at the back, and both seem to be happy to venture out with the ball at times, we always knew Agger could, but with Martin, I always thought he was a bit more 'hoof ball' style, however, he seems to be more calm and composed now, and has done well as stand in captain on a few occasions this season.

      Andy Carroll has shown promising signs the past month, and I just hope that the summer doesn't cause him to lose his confidence again. He now seems to be linking up better with Suarez, and with a bit more impetus from midfield, he could have a bit more space to work with in the box, and score more goals. Hopefully, we will see more of Raheem Sterling next year, particularly with the Europa League, and he may offer something that we don't have at the moment, but i wouldn't expect him to set the world on fire just yet.

      We have played excellently in both cup competitions this year, and have had some very memorable days at Wembley, it's a shame we couldn't beat Chelsea in the FA cup final, but it will highlight to many of our younger players, and those who haven't played in cup finals, that you cannot afford to be passengers in the team if you want to win, something which Big Andy showed with aplomb when he came on.

      I don't think that we will be expecting to dominate everything next year, as many of the players in our first team at the moment are still somewhat in-experienced at a big club, and will not yet have fully adjusted to it. But, I think there are many positives to take, and certainly in 2 years' time, with the right signings, I could see us in second/third and pushing for the title.
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      Reply #66: May 14, 2012 10:56:25 am
      Very disappointing end to an up and down season, only consolation one trophy and back in Europe next season. Hopeful the side will go forward, with the addition of maybe one or two players of real quality.

      I see winning a trophy and getting back in to europe a massive success to be honest, not a consolation
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      Reply #67: Jun 07, 2012 12:20:26 pm
      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/06/07/liverpool-fc-end-of-season-survey-2011-12-your-views-on-the-reds-100252-31063451/

      End of season review in the Echo with fans voting for best player, best moment etc. Opinions on there seem to tally up well with the majority on here, though the Dalglish part could cause some 'debates'.
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      Re: End of season report
      Reply #68: Jun 07, 2012 06:31:55 pm
      Suarez incident put a bomb under the club and Ferguson was left laughing his cock off.The players got Cup fever and took their eye of the league .New players took time to bed in and yet here we are with 6 of them in th eEngland squad.
      So a mixed season two cup finals and a dissapointing league season meant Ifelt we would improve a lot next season.A good cup team often turns into a good league team the following season hence Kenny should never ever of been sacked.

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