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      Fans protesting against away ticket prices
      Jan 10, 2013 10:40:01 am
      Mods, I thought this was more a general topic than specifically Liverpool based but if you think it should be in the Kop then please move it.

      I'm sure with the squeeze on everyone's finances over the last few years it was only a matter of time before fans started to get fed up with this kind of thing happening.

      Not sure if it will ever happen but let's hope it gains some momentum.

      Have any of our travelling Kopites cut down on away games in recent years?

      Manchester United and Liverpool fans unite against away ticket prices

      Rival fans from Liverpool and Manchester United will work together with other trusts and the Football Supporters' Federation to campaign for a maximum away ticket price in the Premier League, following Manchester City's decision to send back a third of their allocation for Sunday's match at Arsenal.

      The FSF and Supporters Direct are in the process of arranging formal meetings between fan groups in the top flight, to lobby the Premier League and its clubs to introduce a ÂŁ20-ÂŁ25 cap for away games. City sent back 912 tickets, priced at ÂŁ62, for this weekend's match at the Emirates Stadium.

      Premier League rules state that away fans must be charged the same price for the same match as home supporters. However, Malcolm Clarke, the FSF president, believes fans have had enough and increased TV revenue from next season should result in lower costs.

      "Though we have our club rivalries, what we recognise is that without the rival sets of supporters inside a ground the atmosphere is much poorer," he said. "We're going to be launching a campaign within a few weeks, we will be calling for a maximum ticket price in the Premier League for away fans.

      "Next season they could knock off ÂŁ32 from every single ticket, for every single game, for every single supporter in the Premier League and still have the same amount of money that they have this season because of the TV income."

      Supporters of both Manchester clubs, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham routinely get charged the highest category prices to attend away matches while followers of other sides are able to pay less. Indeed, Stoke City fans will each pay ÂŁ32.50 when they go to Arsenal next month.

      Liverpool play at the Emirates in two weeks. The club expect to sell their allocation but the consensus from supporters is that they are being exploited for their loyalty and dedication. The group Spirit of Shankly believes opposing supporters need to unite if away ticket prices are to be capped. "We are trying to get supporters of all clubs around the table," a spokesman said. "Liverpool fans aren't going to change it on their own. At the moment we're a mid-table club still paying category A prices."

      Paul Martin, a committee member for the group, added: "We're looking at working with the arch enemy Manchester United and others to put a bit of pressure on the clubs to introduce a cap for prices on away tickets. Everybody jokes about Manchester United fans being from outside of Manchester but the core of them are from the Manchester area. The rivalry will start to dwindle when the prices are driving local people away from the game."

      The Manchester United Supporters Trust chief executive, Duncan Drasdo, said the key issue is the disparity in prices, with fans of bigger clubs paying more compared to others.

      He said: "The attack on traditional football fan culture continues relentlessly but until recently away support remained as at least one bastion of hard-core support which had remained largely intact.

      "However, the threat to the away fan is very clear now and this should concern even the most self serving of club owners as the large vocal away following has long been a hugely attractive aspect of British football.

      "If the home club wishes to charge different prices to home fans depending on the opposition that isn't unreasonable but to charge one set of away fans a higher price than another is clearly inequitable.

      "Price categorisation for away fans should be outlawed and this is something MUST has been lobbying for. It has brought together arch rivals such as Manchester United and Liverpool fans who both recognise the essential importance of genuine vocal away fans to the culture of English football."

      Arsenal supporters have been increasingly vocal in protest of high ticket prices. The most expensive season ticket at the club is ÂŁ1,955 while the dearest individual matchday ticket is ÂŁ126. However, for games that are regarded as "category C", namely Sunderland, Southampton, Swansea City, West Bromwich Albion, Reading and Norwich City, a ticket can be purchased for ÂŁ25.

      Tim Payton of the Arsenal Supporters' Trust defended the City fans who will not attend Sunday's game and said that without away supporters inside the stadium the "product" of the Premier League would be seriously harmed. "The away fan is disproportionately important. They create the noise, tribalism and the atmosphere, all part of this wonderful product that is the Premier League. Every fan is important but without the away fans you get a tepid atmosphere. The problem with this categorisation is for the away fan, if you follow Arsenal, a Chelsea or a Manchester City you'll get clobbered everywhere you go."

      A survey into the price of football conducted last year found that the cost of the cheapest adult ticket in the Football League had risen by 11.7%, more than five times the rate of inflation. With travel and refreshment costs also rising, and the most expensive matchday programme costing ÂŁ4, a large number of supporters feel that they are being priced out of watching their side.

      Martin has followed Liverpool home and away for 12 years but is considering missing a match for the first time during that period due to the cost of a ticket at Arsenal. He says that per year, with a season ticket, it costs ÂŁ2,000 in admission fees to watch Liverpool at home and on the road, and giving a conservative estimation believes he pays more than ÂŁ1,000 in other costs throughout the campaign. "I don't think I'm going to buy a ticket for Arsenal. It's ÂŁ62, the price is just unbelievable, more than double what it should be. This will be the first time in 12 seasons I've seen a price of a ticket and thought I'm not going to get one. Arsenal is not a ÂŁ62 experience. You'd consider that as a price for an FA Cup final ticket."

      However, the Premier League insisted that attendances are still high and that the quality of stadiums in the top division has greatly improved. "Ticket pricing is a matter for individual clubs, many of which work hard to fill their stadiums with offers at different points during a season that make top flight football accessible to large numbers of fans," a spokesman said. "The quality and safety of stadia is as a result of extensive and continued investment from the clubs. Fans clearly enjoy the environment in which they watch Premier League matches and the football on offer with occupancy rates at grounds tracking at 95% for this season and having been 90%+ for the last 15 seasons in a row."

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/09/liverpool-manchester-united-ticket-prices
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      Re: Fans protesting against away ticket prices
      Reply #1: Jan 10, 2013 10:46:36 am
      Great idea but the chance of clubs agreeing to this is none whatsover.
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      Reply #2: Jan 10, 2013 05:33:00 pm
      I read about this and I think it's got some legs in it. The clubs will be getting even more money this Summer following the new TV deal, so they may drop the prices. I read on Twitter that clubs would be able to afford to drop seat prices by ÂŁ32 each without being any worse off.
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      Reply #3: Jan 10, 2013 05:49:32 pm
      I read about this and I think it's got some legs in it. The clubs will be getting even more money this Summer following the new TV deal, so they may drop the prices. I read on Twitter that clubs would be able to afford to drop seat prices by ÂŁ32 each without being any worse off.
      And what then would be the benefit of the new TV deal be to the club?  Dropping ticket prices when you already sell out every match is idiotic.

      Although if they did that then there would be no room for the fans to complain about the club not spending any money.

      "Why aren't you buying world class players"

      "Because the money we had planned on using for tranfers went back into your pocket"

      "Oh"
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      Reply #4: Jan 10, 2013 06:54:21 pm
      And what then would be the benefit of the new TV deal be to the club?  Dropping ticket prices when you already sell out every match is idiotic.

      Although if they did that then there would be no room for the fans to complain about the club not spending any money.

      "Why aren't you buying world class players"

      "Because the money we had planned on using for tranfers went back into your pocket"

      "Oh"

      I do wonder how many fans (especially LFC) would be in favor of say one less signing during the transfer window to have cheaper away ticket prices?

      I have no idea if that's the amount of money that would be saved, purely conjecture on my part.
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      Reply #5: Jan 10, 2013 06:55:58 pm
      Hi Folks

      Sorry to drop in on you like this, just trying to do the rounds on as many forums as possible to try and get a bit of awareness about our campaign. We are trying to make a bit of noise and gather as many people as possible to try and get some sort of a cap on away ticket prices.

      This is NOT a club specific campaign, as we are trying to make a mark across the board.

      It might be pissing in the wind, but if you are on Facebook and you could take two seconds to 'like' and 'share' the below link, then who knows, maybe some of the powers that be may take note and we can achieve something, however small.

      http://www.facebook.com/AwayFansTicketPrices?ref=ts&fref=ts

      We are also on twitter, you can follow us at @AwayFanPrices

      Any help/support is much appreciated and if you feel you can help in any way, please contact us at awayfanprices@gmail.com

      Cheers
      « Last Edit: Jan 12, 2013 07:30:21 pm by Reslivo »
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      Re: Fans protesting against away ticket prices
      Reply #6: Jan 10, 2013 08:34:17 pm
      And what then would be the benefit of the new TV deal be to the club?  Dropping ticket prices when you already sell out every match is idiotic.

      Although if they did that then there would be no room for the fans to complain about the club not spending any money.

      "Why aren't you buying world class players"

      "Because the money we had planned on using for tranfers went back into your pocket"

      "Oh"

      I see where you're coming from mate but then if Clubs spend all the extra cash on signing world class players ticket prices would go up as they know that the demand would be even higher. 

      It's how big business works.
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      Reply #7: Jan 10, 2013 09:03:41 pm
      I see where you're coming from mate but then if Clubs spend all the extra cash on signing world class players ticket prices would go up as they know that the demand would be even higher. 

      It's how big business works.
      I hear ya, and agree.  But as Awayfanprices mentions "pissing into the wind", Citeh returned a third of their tickets for the match against Arsenal.  Arsenal sold those tickets in the blink of an eye.  Without a problem. 

      Unfortunately the only way to take this campaign anywhere is to simply not buy away tickets.  At ALL.  And then in turn make sure that when those tickets go back to the home club they don't get bought by their own supporters.   As long as the market is there to buy tickets, there is no way the prices will drop.
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      Reply #8: Jan 10, 2013 09:50:26 pm
      Hi Folks

      Sorry to drop in on you like this, just trying to do the rounds on as many forums as possible to try and get a bit of awareness about our campaign. We are trying to make a bit of noise and gather as many people as possible to try and get some sort of a cap on away ticket prices.

      This is NOT a club specific campaign, as we are trying to make a mark across the board.

      it might be pissing in the wind, but if you are on Facebook and you could take two seconds to 'like' and 'share' the below link, then who knows, maybe some of the powers that be may take note and we can achieve something, however small

      http://www.facebook.com/AwayFansTicketP ... ts&fref=ts

      We are also on twitter, you can follow us at @AwayFanPrices

      Any help/support is much appreciated and if you feel you can help in any way, please contact us at awayfanprices@gmail.com

      Cheers

      First of all, I think it is great what you are doing. I have contacted you on twitter as I have had issues signing the petition. I have tried two addresses and both have failed.

      Despite this, I fear the campaign is a bit of a no-goer from the start. The football clubs have too much power now, you only have to look at United's hold of the FA. Anyway, I support you and I am fully behind you but just fear a lot of people will be left disappointed. Best of luck!
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      Reply #9: Jan 12, 2013 05:01:19 pm
      And what then would be the benefit of the new TV deal be to the club?  Dropping ticket prices when you already sell out every match is idiotic.

      Although if they did that then there would be no room for the fans to complain about the club not spending any money.

      "Why aren't you buying world class players"

      "Because the money we had planned on using for tranfers went back into your pocket"

      "Oh"

      That's ok then keep ripping off the fans, just like we are going be to be charged ÂŁ62 for a premier league at Arsenal, that is a F***ing disgrace.

      We come from Liverpool, not down south.

      KEEP TICKET PRICES SCOUSE!!
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      Reply #10: Jan 12, 2013 06:55:28 pm
      You don't know how well you have it my friends.  This thread made me look up the numbers and it has been a bit of a smack in the face.  Here was my spend numbers for sporting events in the New York area

      New York Rangers: 2 tickets in the lower bowl.  41 regular season games, 12 playoff games, =$20,350
      Rutgers University:  $5,000 mandatory donation to keep my season tickets plus five tickets for every game.  = $7,100
      New York Jets: Two season tickets (My wife is a Jets fanI care Fook all about the NFL) =$2,500
                             Two years ago I had to pay $10,000 for Personal Seat Licences.  That's right.  I had to pay that for the right to buy the
                             tickets for the games.

      All that together plus parking / transportation / food and bevvies I spend about $50,000 per year on sporting events (Not including baseball which I only go to a handful of games per year with my son)

      I'm not minted.  I'm a golf pro that works his arse off for 6 months per year (No I'm not a tour pro, I give lessons), My wife makes a fair bit and we do well.  Not great, but well enough to be able to have a bit to spend on the things we enjoy.

      What price would I put on taking my son to a New York Rangers hockey game?  Factor in the team wins the game.  He gets a few bits of fan stuff, foam fingers, programs etc.  He gets to ride a train (which I think is his favorite part).  He spends time with me.  There is no price I can put on the memories and time spent together that I can put on that.

      Rutgers football.  I grew up separated by the stadium only by a park and a river.  When they played night games the lights would be left on well into the night and the lights would make it seem like it was noon in my bedroom.  The morning before a game we get together and pack the truck up with the grill and cooler and spend about 6 hours cooking, eating and drinking with all of our families friends that I grew up with and their families.  Those are pretty much the only times we get together throughout the year.  It's not just about the game.  The tailgating and partying is the main focus.  The atmosphere in the game is simply breathtaking.  What sort of price would I put on that.

      My point is, If it costs a few extra quid to make memories that will last a lifetime, is it really so bad?
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      Reply #11: Jan 12, 2013 07:31:45 pm
      My point is, If it costs a few extra quid to make memories that will last a lifetime, is it really so bad?

      Yes.
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      Reply #12: Jan 12, 2013 07:42:42 pm
      Alright.  That's the end of that then :P
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      Reply #13: Jan 13, 2013 12:46:38 am
      You don't know how well you have it my friends.  This thread made me look up the numbers and it has been a bit of a smack in the face.  Here was my spend numbers for sporting events in the New York area

      New York Rangers: 2 tickets in the lower bowl.  41 regular season games, 12 playoff games, =$20,350
      Rutgers University:  $5,000 mandatory donation to keep my season tickets plus five tickets for every game.  = $7,100
      New York Jets: Two season tickets (My wife is a Jets fanI care Fook all about the NFL) =$2,500
                             Two years ago I had to pay $10,000 for Personal Seat Licences.  That's right.  I had to pay that for the right to buy the
                             tickets for the games.

      All that together plus parking / transportation / food and bevvies I spend about $50,000 per year on sporting events (Not including baseball which I only go to a handful of games per year with my son)

      I'm not minted.  I'm a golf pro that works his arse off for 6 months per year (No I'm not a tour pro, I give lessons), My wife makes a fair bit and we do well.  Not great, but well enough to be able to have a bit to spend on the things we enjoy.

      What price would I put on taking my son to a New York Rangers hockey game?  Factor in the team wins the game.  He gets a few bits of fan stuff, foam fingers, programs etc.  He gets to ride a train (which I think is his favorite part).  He spends time with me.  There is no price I can put on the memories and time spent together that I can put on that.

      Rutgers football.  I grew up separated by the stadium only by a park and a river.  When they played night games the lights would be left on well into the night and the lights would make it seem like it was noon in my bedroom.  The morning before a game we get together and pack the truck up with the grill and cooler and spend about 6 hours cooking, eating and drinking with all of our families friends that I grew up with and their families.  Those are pretty much the only times we get together throughout the year.  It's not just about the game.  The tailgating and partying is the main focus.  The atmosphere in the game is simply breathtaking.  What sort of price would I put on that.

      My point is, If it costs a few extra quid to make memories that will last a lifetime, is it really so bad?

      Have you taken into account the difference in the cost of living say in New York, then London and then compare both of them with Liverpool?

      There is already a difference in living between London and Liverpool, I wouldn't even try comparing that with New York.

      And on top of that have you wondered about the local fathers who have been priced out of going and priced out of taking their kids to see their local team, no you haven't!
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      Reply #14: Jan 13, 2013 07:27:31 am
      Have you taken into account the difference in the cost of living say in New York, then London and then compare both of them with Liverpool?

      There is already a difference in living between London and Liverpool, I wouldn't even try comparing that with New York.

      And on top of that have you wondered about the local fathers who have been priced out of going and priced out of taking their kids to see their local team, no you haven't!
      No I haven't mate.  I'll not speak of something of which I've no idea.  I was simply trying to offer some perspective. 
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      Reply #15: Jan 16, 2013 09:04:41 pm
      Perhaps not the right place to put this,, but tickets to get in the nou camp tonight for the copa del ray 9 fcking euros the damned cheek of it ,, seriously could you imagine rolling up to anfeld for the fa cup  at that price wont happen in this country .l
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      Reply #16: Jan 18, 2013 07:01:18 am

      And on top of that have you wondered about the local fathers who have been priced out of going and priced out of taking their kids to see their local team, no you haven't!
      Oh for the good old days when it cost oneandsix (old money) to get into the kop and ninepence to get in the boys pen.The days when working men went to the match.The days when there were only seats in a small bit of the ground usually occupied by the better off.
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      Reply #17: Jan 18, 2013 09:01:36 am
      Oh for the good old days when it cost oneandsix (old money) to get into the kop and ninepence to get in the boys pen.The days when working men went to the match.The days when there were only seats in a small bit of the ground usually occupied by the better off.
      People keep asking where is it going wrong ,i have always believed there should be x amount of tickets available at the ticket office for the local family,s ,even people on her talk about our global fan base ,and that is fine ,but the people who made this club into what it is ,have been shafted for far too long ,the very heartbeat of this club is liverpool itself ,and that has been ignored for far too long for the sake of corporate greed.
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      Reply #18: Jan 18, 2013 09:15:52 am
      People keep asking where is it going wrong ,i have always believed there should be x amount of tickets available at the ticket office for the local family,s ,even people on her talk about our global fan base ,and that is fine ,but the people who made this club into what it is ,have been shafted for far too long ,the very heartbeat of this club is liverpool itself ,and that has been ignored for far too long for the sake of corporate greed.
      Excellent post Andy,the family man and just as important the working man have been screwed regarding the cost of attending a match at Anfield.I think back to my old Dad taking me to Anfield when I was about 8 or 9 years old and it cost him an old sixpence to put me in the boys pen when it was in Kemlyn Road I could be wrong but I think it was a shilling to get into the ground for an adult.
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      Reply #19: Jan 18, 2013 09:36:12 am
      The world is a more expensive place and full of greedy people - the rich try to get richer and every day person just tries to get by. People want more money to be spent on players - that money needs to come from somewhere - if we want to see the likes of Suarez playing for us then the club needs to generate funds - tickets is one way.
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      Reply #20: Jan 18, 2013 10:00:41 am
      I think it was a shilling to get into the ground for an adult.
      but that did include a pie and a pint Billy ;D
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      Reply #21: Jan 18, 2013 10:53:38 am
      A truly insulting piece in the Express the other day by the lowlife Mick Dennis who spouted on about how he's happy to pay ÂŁ44 quid to go to Anfield and his message to anyone who doesn't like the ticket prices is 'don't go then'. This guy shouldn't be allowed in tomorrow after his previous efforts which include endless character assassinations against Kenny which date back to many years ago when King Kenny told him to F**k off and also a truly disgraceful attempt to link to the Tom Ademyi incident with the fans singing 'there' only one Luis Suarez' during the Oldham game. This is the same guy who constantly has a pop at BR calling him Brenton Rodgers after David Brent and talks about the Evra/Suarez case using 'details' not mentioned in the final report. Most journos are backing the calls for fairer prices except for this arrogant pr**k.
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      Reply #22: Jan 18, 2013 06:32:52 pm
      The world is a more expensive place and full of greedy people - the rich try to get richer and every day person just tries to get by. People want more money to be spent on players - that money needs to come from somewhere - if we want to see the likes of Suarez playing for us then the club needs to generate funds - tickets is one way.
      George I will spell it out for you once again,the history book has many many instances of L.F.C. buying players for record club and national record transfer fees.I do not ever recall the club saying they will have to put the price of admission to Anfield because they bought a player for a record fee.Also if you check you will see some of those players were only teenagers when they signed for us.
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      Reply #23: Jan 18, 2013 06:40:19 pm
      George I will spell it out for you once again,the history book has many many instances of L.F.C. buying players for record club and national record transfer fees.I do not ever recall the club saying they will have to put the price of admission to Anfield because they bought a player for a record fee.Also if you check you will see some of those players were only teenagers when they signed for us.

      Excellent - the difference is the record fees back then werent exactly like we see now - same with the wages and pretty much everything.

      You cant compare backwards
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      Reply #24: Jan 18, 2013 06:45:53 pm
      Excellent - the difference is the record fees back then werent exactly like we see now - same with the wages and pretty much everything.

      You cant compare backwards
      How do you know that  and why can't I compare back.My life has been toyally immersed in Liverpool Football Club and I feel that I am in a position compare L.F.C. from the 1940s to the present day.Do not have the audacity to tell me that I cannot compare.
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      Reply #25: Jan 18, 2013 06:49:55 pm
      How do you know that  and why can't I compare back.My life has been toyally immersed in Liverpool Football Club and I feel that I am in a position compare L.F.C. from the 1940s to the present day.Do not have the audacity to tell me that I cannot compare.

      Billy - everything in football has got more expensive , back then you didnt have Arab or Russian Billionares forcing the transfer fees and wages up - even policing games has increased massivly in price.

      To match those costs the clubs need to generate money.
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      Reply #26: Jan 18, 2013 07:07:02 pm
      Billy - everything in football has got more expensive , back then you didnt have Arab or Russian Billionares forcing the transfer fees and wages up - even policing games has increased massivly in price.

      To match those costs the clubs need to generate money.
      Do you  think that when Tommy Trinder made the Fulham captain the countries first 100 quid a week footballer the clubs put the cost of going to the match up.In the day when a working man was earning about 10 quid a week  a 100 quid seemed out of this world.You ar right we did not have Arab or Russian billionaires back then ,we had men who bought shares in the club because of their love of the club.That is the big difference between the likes of Fenway and those loyal Liverpool shareholders, to Fenway it is only a business. 
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      Reply #27: Jan 18, 2013 07:11:41 pm
      To most owners it's either a business or a play thing.

      Football is now a business - it's one of the biggest businesses in the world now.

      Clubs need businessmen in their clubs to enhance their finances and get as much income as they can to allow more money to be spent on the team at the wishes of the fans
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      Reply #28: Jan 18, 2013 07:23:53 pm
      To most owners it's either a business or a play thing.

      Football is now a business - it's one of the biggest businesses in the world now.

      Clubs need businessmen in their clubs to enhance their finances and get as much income as they can to allow more money to be spent on the team at the wishes of the fans
      Do you  think that T.V,Williams,H.Cartwright,H.K.Latham.R.L.Martindale,John Smith,Sid Reakes, C.J.Hill, E.A. Sawyer,H.E. Roberts were not businessmen.They were all businessmen who invested in Liverpool Football Club shares.And whats more they all had a love of the club.They were the men who Bill Shankly said were only there to sign the cheques,imagine Brendan Rodgers telling John Henry he is only there to sign the cheques,his feet would not touch the ground.By the way those Directors were instrumental in the appointment of a Mr William Shankly as manager of L.F.C. in December 1959.A little bit of my memories for you George.
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      Reply #29: Jan 18, 2013 07:28:23 pm
      It's all fond memories Billy and I wish modern football was that pure instead of being about money.
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      Reply #30: Jan 19, 2013 02:47:39 am
      but that did include a pie and a pint Billy ;D
      You could certainly get a pie in those days walton but no pints I'm afraid. Supporters used to get their ale prior to going into the ground,hence the need to have an Echo with them.
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      Reply #31: Jan 20, 2013 11:16:33 am
      How do you know that  and why can't I compare back.My life has been toyally immersed in Liverpool Football Club and I feel that I am in a position compare L.F.C. from the 1940s to the present day.Do not have the audacity to tell me that I cannot compare.
      You keep on sharing your memories Billy ,as i for one love listening to tales of days gone by ,shared many a night in the pub with me old friend who shared stories with me that were a privilage to listen too.
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      Reply #32: Jan 20, 2013 06:17:29 pm
       Thanks Andy,I appreciate your post and thoughts,cheers :kop5cf8koxp6: :scarf: REDS for ever and ever.
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      Reply #33: Jan 20, 2013 06:24:18 pm
      You could certainly get a pie in those days walton but no pints I'm afraid. Supporters used to get their ale prior to going into the ground,hence the need to have an Echo with them.

      Echo? Only if it was an evening KO.

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      Reply #34: Jan 20, 2013 06:44:50 pm
      Echo? Only if it was an evening KO.


      I think you will find they used to have an early edition of the Echo in those days,in fact we had the Echo,the Daily Post and the Evening Express. I can't quite remember if the Evening Express had Liverpool in it's title but I am sure it did.
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      Reply #35: Jan 20, 2013 07:43:41 pm
      I think you will find they used to have an early edition of the Echo in those days,in fact we had the Echo,the Daily Post and the Evening Express. I can't quite remember if the Evening Express had Liverpool in it's title but I am sure it did.

      Said before mate can remember the Footie Echo being sold in the ground late 80s and outside the ground right up to the mid 90s, especially on a saturday.

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      Reply #36: Jan 21, 2013 06:44:19 pm
      Said before mate can remember the Footie Echo being sold in the ground late 80s and outside the ground right up to the mid 90s, especially on a saturday.


      Huyton I have a feeling the early edition of the Echo used to come out about 12 0r 1 o clock even many years before the 80s for as long as i remember.However this should not detract from the fact that the cost of going to the match is exhorbitant for the working man.
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      Reply #37: Jan 29, 2013 10:52:35 pm
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      Interesting leaflet about ticket prices is due to appear at a couple of PL grounds tomorrow. Courtesy of @JayMcKenna87



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      Reply #40: Feb 09, 2013 10:19:15 am
      Never does a bad article this lad:

      Tickets: We’re paying the price for tribalism
      by Gareth Roberts // 7 February 2013 // @robbohuyton


      FOOTBALL, as Jimmy Greaves said on more than one occasion, is a funny old game.
       
      It still is. But now it’s not just the game that is ‘funny’ – it’s the ever increasing circus that continually performs around it, even when no actual football is being played.
       
      Once upon a time, being a football supporter was easy. You paid at the turnstile, watched the match and then headed for the pub or returned home.
       
      You’d talk through the game with friends and family, watch Match of the Day and that was that. On Sunday and Monday newspaper reports would sate the appetite for further analysis and discussion and by Monday night it was pretty much all over until the next game.
       
      The game then was affordable, enjoyable and, perhaps crucially, not over analysed. It felt like an escape – it was fun. That’s not to say there was any less passion for it. Fans were still 100 per cent engrossed in their club and the sport. Crowds were noisy, arguably more so than now.
       
      Football was taken just as seriously, but time and effort was channelled much differently. Attending top-level games didn’t require the sacrifices, financially and time-wise, that it does today. For most it was case of turn up, pay and watch – no membership schemes, booking fees, telephone queuing systems or registering online.
       
      Without the internet, rolling sports news and the proliferation of televised games, football felt special and was treated as such. Conversations centred around the players and the game itself, not finance, not owners, not regulation and not an ever-changing football ‘issue’.
       
      Now, the world that revolves around football seems to have lost sight of what is important.
       
      No longer is the focus solely on players and managers. Now there is constant moralising and courting of controversy. Conflict is sought and stirred with loaded questioning and agenda-ridden reporting. Dumbed-down doses of tribal bait are constantly laid, even by the mainstream media these days. Even the BBC Sport website was recently tweeting to ask ‘What is the biggest club in England?’
       
      Who cares?
       
      Message-boards, blogs, websites, Twitter and Facebook buzz non-stop with everything ranging from sensible discussion and tactical analysis to bile, bigotry and hatred.
       
      Separating the wheat from the chaff can often be an arduous and soul-sapping task, one that adds to the cumulative effect of modern-football fatigue. A world where any sensible discussion about the game is constantly drowned out by the current five minutes of shame is a world that quickly becomes intensely frustrating.
       
      Take some of the real issues among match-going football supporters, like ticket pricing. Whatever agendas exist, this is a topic that should be top of them. Yet, too often, it’s a mere whisper as all around shout about that week’s manufactured outrage.
       
      The gradual pricing out of a generation of fans from top-level football has eaten away at the game year on year since the Premier League was formed in 1992. The BBC’s Price of Football survey puts it to the forefront of the news agenda once a year, while The Guardian’s David Conn has also penned a series of excellent articles on the subject.
       
      Those sources aside it’s barely registered in the grand scheme of things; the discussion has been from far from sustained. Mass media analysis of the great ticket rip off has very much been the exception rather than the rule with the Premier League’s PR arm trotting out facts and figures about how full grounds are in an effort to dampen any interest in the topic.
       
      That of course spectacularly misses the point. Bums on seats doesn’t equate to quality of supporter. And when clubs are so keen to sell the atmosphere at games, it is deeply flawed logic that dictates a pricing policy which is increasingly meaning the very people who create that atmosphere – the loyal, long term, passionate supporters – are walking away from the game they love because they can no longer afford it.
       
      But there is growing evidence that football supporters can influence the agenda. The start of 2013 has brought with it some strong suggestions that the tipping point has arrived when it comes to paying extortionate prices to watch the game.
       
      The news that Manchester City sent back almost a third of their ticket allocation at Arsenal after fans baulked at the ÂŁ62 price tag for their match at The Emirates made national news.
       
      It was quickly followed by news that Liverpool and Manchester United supporters – two of the biggest and most organised fanbases in the country due to ownership issues past and present – would put rivalries aside to work with the Football Supporters’ Federation and Supporters Direct to campaign for a maximum away ticket price in the Premier League of £20-25.
       
      Already huge disparities exist, not just between grounds but based on who the away team is. Liverpool fans, for example, also faced a £62 bill for an away end ticket for The Emirates as, like City, it was deemed to be a ‘Category A’ game.
       
      Conversely, Stoke City fans will pay £32.50 for an away end Premier League ticket at The Emirates as it deemed to be a ‘Category B’ game.
       
      As staggering as it is, this breaks no rules. The only rule clubs in the top flight must comply with is that away fans are charged the same as home fans.
       
      Protesting against what is essentially a tax on the travelling fans of so-called bigger clubs is nothing new. In 2007 a group of Manchester United fans organised a boycott of food, drink and programmes when visiting Craven Cottage. There United supporters were charged ÂŁ45 for their match with Fulham in the same season that Manchester City fans had paid ÂŁ25.
       
      Football Supporters Federation chairman Malcolm Clarke has estimated that the new Premier League TV deal – worth upwards of £4billion – means that top flight clubs could cut ALL tickets by £32 and suffer no loss in income due to the increase in the share of the TV pot.
       
      He said: “There are many ways of measuring what is the best league. But if you look at the Bundesliga, where fans can attend matches for 15 Euros, stand up, have a pint if they wish, and even get a ticket for the metrolink, it seems the Premier League is short changing its own supporters.
       
      “This business of categorising matches is blatantly unfair. Just because Manchester City have a lot of money doesn’t mean their supporters have, and the same is true of the other teams who get charged the highest prices every time they play.
       
      “And if they are starting to say enough is enough, and that in turn affects the atmosphere within the stadiums, will it retain its worldwide popularity? I am not so sure it will.
       
      “This is a real test for the Premier League. They seem to think football is immune from the economic situation elsewhere. But it isn’t. And how it responds – especially next year – will shape the game for years to come.”
       
      As refreshing as this chink in the armour of the capitalist machine was, what was also telling – and depressing – was how the message was again blurred by the football circus.
       
      So Arsene Wenger, reportedly the fourth highest paid manager in the world on £7.5m a year, had this to say as the debate on ticket prices raged: “They [the fans] have a choice.
       
      “They can choose to go to Manchester United. They can choose to go to Manchester City. They can choose to go to Barcelona. You can choose to go to the theatre or not. Of course it’s fair.”
       
      That a millionaire Premier League manager is out of touch with supporters is perhaps no surprise. More worrying were the comments made to the media by Paul Matz, of the Arsenal Independent Supporters’ Association.
       
      He said: “It’s not the first time that City have not sold their full allocation, and previously City were not a category A club, so ticket prices were only half the cost.
       
      “City have got where they are by importing a sugar daddy, rather than through their own efforts, mirroring what happened at Chelsea a few years ago, so it’s bound to take a while before the level of their fan base catches up.”
       
      Yes, damn those City fans and their incomes that don’t match the bank balance of one of the richest men in the world… It shouldn’t need spelling out – it’s the clubs that are rich, not the fans.
       
      Sadly, Paul Matz wasn’t alone in allowing club loyalty to cloud what is an issue for ALL football fans.
       
      Yet the deep irony is that if fans like him could take the blinkers off, tear down the club-coloured walls and work together for the common good, something could be achieved.
       
      Nobody – not the clubs, not the TV companies, not anyone else connected with selling the ‘product’ of football in England – wants empty seats or campaigning supporters distracting from the action on the pitch.
       
      But the appetite for protest, for boycotts, or even sensible discussion among fans is tempered by tribalism and one-upmanship.
       
      In Germany, the same situation united fans. They protested together. Here? Here, we actually have fans that defend the ever-increasing prices; that defend the gentrification of the game and that deliver such gems as “You can’t afford it? Tough.”
       
      So finally the media are listening. Finally the clubs are worried. And what do fans do? Wrap themselves up in tit-for-tat nonsense that benefits nobody.
       
      It really is a funny old game.

      http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2013/02/tickets-were-paying-the-price-for-tribalism/

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