Us, the fans

Something needs to be said aabout us.

Lets be honest, ok we dont go on the field to play or decide who plays or what way we play but we have a lot to answer for in my view.

Granted everyone has opinions and are entitled to them, others wont always or ever agree. But we seem to have become in the last oh say 5 years a bunch of clowns. Heres why

1) Our support in Anfield:
 Is it what it should be? Nowhere near it. At times its a liberary getting outsung by any away group. Then if so much as 1 pass is miss hit audible groans come from the seats. YNWA means fook all to a lot now who cant be arsed to sing it before a game or at the end of a game. We love to cheer for 2 minutes after we score but what about other times in a game when the team needs tgo hear us?

2) Moaning about managers owners etc.:
Non stop. the 2 clowns from America no bother with the complaining there or Hodgson. But the same crowd who wanted Moores gone and wanted him gone for years were the crowd saying these 2 would bring back the glory days. Then they were found out we wanted rid. In came Martin Broughton to find new owners, he was a c**t from Chelsea what was he involved for? Then he got NESV in to buy the club, ah fair play Martin top bloke and NESV were definitely going to be the saviours no doubt. 2 years later and there almost as evil as the last 2 (I cant see why though?) we need them out. Moores should never have sold

6 months in and theres doubts about our new manager. 6 months and the backing from the best supporters in the world is fading?

3) The players:
We need to give youth a chance. Sterling must play Suso must play etc etc. Then low and behold at there young age they dont show the form they showed at under 21 or under 18 and we question there place in the squad. We done a Lucas on Henderson after a few months only to see him come good at the ripe old age of what 22? I go back to the audible moans and groans from our crowd at simple things, imagine hearing that if your a kid learning your trade in the first team helpful? I doubt it. Even the experienced players get it in the neck for a bad game even if there last 5 were top notch.

The crowd in the 60s 70s and 80s were handed trophy after trophy yet they had patience. We get the odd trophy here and there yet we are expectant of it and expectant of perfection like we get it every season and if it doesnt come well then that bunch of players need to be sold that manager needs to be sacked and we nned new owners.

This club needs stability. We have a young manager a young squad and owners new to the sport. They are all learning. For God sake lets be patient give them time to learn and see where it takes us. You might be surprised. We are waiting 23 years for a league surely 2 more wont kill us!

Until this club becomes 1 again from top to bottom, very much including us, the fans, we face an uphill battle to get bacck on our perch

You make some very good points Brian but there are also fans such as myself who don't expect perfection, don't jump on the players backs every five minutes who is generally worried about where we are headed.

I want stability as much as anyone but at the same time I think we are being fed a line by those within the club about what are expectations should be and many seem to buy it.

F***ing right. When I looked at our squad for the city game my first thought was christ how young is our team compared to theirs? We have a decent side now. In 2 or 3 years time they should become a winning machine.

I'm liking us under Brendan personally, yeah results are sometimes frustrating, and don't get me wrong the last couple of weeks have been sh*t, but I think we are on the up.

I'm going to the game next Thursday and hope to be a part of one of those great European nights I've heard about. We can still go through and we can still finish the league season strong.

I don't see why the owners get bashed as much as H+G. I can tell that once the FFP rules are in place, and they will be enforced, we will be in a very strong position, what FSG have done is clever in my opinion given that we started preparations before most of our competitors so we should have the advantage.

If you cant support us when we lose, don't support us when we win.

You make some very good points Brian but there are also fans such as myself who don't expect perfection, don't jump on the players backs every five minutes who is generally worried about where we are headed.

I want stability as much as anyone but at the same time I think we are being fed a line by those within the club about what are expectations should be and many seem to buy it.

Obviously everyone is not tarred with the same brush. Its a general observation. Of course there are current fans of this club who would be a credit to any generation of LFC supporter but there are far too many who are as far from what I believe has made Liverpool supporters stand out from every other down the years

I agree with the OP 100%. You've got young lads playing tonight who haven't even played 20 games for the club getting absolutely slaughtered because we got beat 2-0 away at the Russian champions. This despite the fact that we could have had five or six ourselves and that it was a very difficult game in awful conditions. I remember good Liverpool teams, really f*cking good Liverpool teams getting spanked 3-0 at Dynamo Tibliski and getting less stick than some of the players tonight.

Some of our support both in the ground and on the forums (and don't tell me it doesn't matter because journos and players read them) is a joke sometimes.

All very pertinent points raised there Brian but I hate to say it, it'll never happen.

As the game has changed over the years so has the way fans support.  I'm not just talking about us but about all the top teams.

Getting a ticket to a Premier League game is like getting a ticket to a festival or concert.  It's something that is on people's "must do" list not because they support the team in question but because they want to show off to their mates.

It's never going to get back to how it used to be.

Without condoning or condemning, it's easier to be patient when you're winning things. It's just human nature. As for Martin Broughton, he may have been a Chelsea c**t but he was brought in because he was a well respected former Chairman of Barclays Bank with a lot of business experience who just happened to support Chelsea. Just saying...

But as to your points, on the whole I agree with you.

6 months in and theres doubts about our new manager. 6 months and the backing from the best supporters in the world is fading?

Think there were doubts when he come in from a lot of Kenny and Rafa supporters, BR is trying to win us over but its easy to do that win games and dont bullshit us.

He discarded Andy Carroll just when he seemed fit and signed Borini for 10 million

He got rid of experienced players Bellamy,Kuyt, Adam Maxi and replaced them with Assidi who he wont play, Allen who simply isnt good enough for 15 million he signed Sahin who was meant  to be the missing link then plays the likes of Joe Cole,Downing,Henderson,Enrique after slagging them off.

He persists on passing the ball from back at all costs yet every team in the land push up on us to put us under pressure.

He constantly blames KK and the previous regime for problems.

He picks players out of form.

I started going in the late 70s and whats happened in the  last 4 years have been dreadful but i dont see it improving, but what i believe we need is a experienced manager who is a winner end off we our Liverpool Fc for F**k sake not a experiment.

We have a squad of International players and some of the best youngsters mainly cos of Rafa and Rudolfo yet we are failing time after time we drew with a poor Arsenal team and Man city away and minute we can finish forth its false dawn after false dawn we need leadership
HAVE WE GOT IT?

You make some very good points Brian but there are also fans such as myself who don't expect perfection, don't jump on the players backs every five minutes who is generally worried about where we are headed.

I want stability as much as anyone but at the same time I think we are being fed a line by those within the club about what are expectations should be and many seem to buy it.

A very good point.  For example, we have a chairman who said we can compete with any club in signing players, implying money is not a problem - when clearly it is.  I am worried that the lack of experience through the club may cause us problems - possibly the start of which we are seeing now. 

HAVE WE GOT IT?

There's a remote chance that we might have it . We'll know in 2015

i might be dead by then high blood pressure isnt being helped at moment

Something needs to be said aabout us.

Lets be honest, ok we dont go on the field to play or decide who plays or what way we play but we have a lot to answer for in my view.

Granted everyone has opinions and are entitled to them, others wont always or ever agree. But we seem to have become in the last oh say 5 years a bunch of clowns. Heres why

1) Our support in Anfield:
 Is it what it should be? Nowhere near it. At times its a liberary getting outsung by any away group. Then if so much as 1 pass is miss hit audible groans come from the seats. YNWA means fook all to a lot now who cant be arsed to sing it before a game or at the end of a game. We love to cheer for 2 minutes after we score but what about other times in a game when the team needs tgo hear us?

2) Moaning about managers owners etc.:
Non stop. the 2 clowns from America no bother with the complaining there or Hodgson. But the same crowd who wanted Moores gone and wanted him gone for years were the crowd saying these 2 would bring back the glory days. Then they were found out we wanted rid. In came Martin Broughton to find new owners, he was a c**t from Chelsea what was he involved for? Then he got NESV in to buy the club, ah fair play Martin top bloke and NESV were definitely going to be the saviours no doubt. 2 years later and there almost as evil as the last 2 (I cant see why though?) we need them out. Moores should never have sold

6 months in and theres doubts about our new manager. 6 months and the backing from the best supporters in the world is fading?

3) The players:
We need to give youth a chance. Sterling must play Suso must play etc etc. Then low and behold at there young age they dont show the form they showed at under 21 or under 18 and we question there place in the squad. We done a Lucas on Henderson after a few months only to see him come good at the ripe old age of what 22? I go back to the audible moans and groans from our crowd at simple things, imagine hearing that if your a kid learning your trade in the first team helpful? I doubt it. Even the experienced players get it in the neck for a bad game even if there last 5 were top notch.

The crowd in the 60s 70s and 80s were handed trophy after trophy yet they had patience. We get the odd trophy here and there yet we are expectant of it and expectant of perfection like we get it every season and if it doesnt come well then that bunch of players need to be sold that manager needs to be sacked and we nned new owners.

This club needs stability. We have a young manager a young squad and owners new to the sport. They are all learning. For God sake lets be patient give them time to learn and see where it takes us. You might be surprised. We are waiting 23 years for a league surely 2 more wont kill us!

Until this club becomes 1 again from top to bottom, very much including us, the fans, we face an uphill battle to get bacck on our perch

good points.. here is my take on it.

1) I live in Canada and specifically in the Toronto area.  the Toronto Maple Leafs are the hockey team here and hockey to Canada is like football to the rest of the world.  Leafs have a fantastic history, and is a top $$ earner.... however in the past several years.. the team stank.. didnt make playoffs didnt do anything but play golf.  The fans are arguably the most fanatic of all teams but when you constantly lose.. and be the laughing boy of the entire league due to expectations vs real results.. even those diehard fans are quieter.   I see that with LFC... when you really have nothing to cheer for in the past few years, there is no new excitement or draw for new fans to jump aboard and existing fans to spread the love.... fan support will decline... its just a matter of life... ppl want to support winners.  Man Utd with its sustained success has created supporters and enthusiasm.  I am cautiously optimistic about our current squad.  we need to scout well and start winning... then we can bring Anfield to its former glory.  also... just want to put it in here.  we need that new stadium.... watched the real madrid vs man utd game yesterday.. wow what a beauty the pitch they play in.

2) different times, different generations.  modern football is imo quite different now.... when hundreds of millions are thrown around, everything has to be done quick... results have to come in asap.  when that doesnt happen, managers are sacked, players are sold.  We're all loyal Reds fans but we also see what is happening to the big clubs around us.... they have grown, increased success, increased revenues etc... unfortunately, i believe we have lost ground to them.   directing some anger towards LFC management is the fans way of saying it is not good enough.

3) i'm a huge fan of young players.  I agree we should give them a chance... but i also believe there is a tipping point between too many young players vs experience.  Young players tend to be more risky, tend to have more inconsistency and most importantly, their mental game isnt concrete yet.  thats the importance that experienced players bring. they help guide the young and speed up their learning curve.  Atm i believe we have too many young players actually.  especially with jamie leaving us, inexperience greatly outweighs the experience... like i've said in other threads... how can our players know what to do to achieve success if they have no idea what is it?  I personally believe we have enough of a good crop of young players now... FSG should relook at its acquisition strategy and get key experienced players.. ones that have won it all.   

All very pertinent points raised there Brian but I hate to say it, it'll never happen.

As the game has changed over the years so has the way fans support.  I'm not just talking about us but about all the top teams.

Getting a ticket to a Premier League game is like getting a ticket to a festival or concert.  It's something that is on people's "must do" list not because they support the team in question but because they want to show off to their mates.

It's never going to get back to how it used to be.

Deb I think you are being honest and forthright and I appreciate that very much.

I have no problems with people criticizing and being impatient...this is 2013 and in all things in life (not just sports) its the way of the world we live in and I have come to expect it.

What I have never gotten and do not care for are those that preach YNWA have a holier then thou attitude, saying it is what makes LFC fans different then others and then go about having a go at fellow supporters/players/managers etc.

Saw a senior poster on this board today call the manager a c**t and then posted a picture of him as a cock....it may be veiled attempt at humor but in context it was not humorous at all, actually I was shocked. Oh it will get ignored as a way of blowing off steam after a loss, but its more than that and its been brewing in the shadows for several years now.

We have become just like other supporters and other clubs...(it is what it is) we are not special or better than the ones we make fun of.


EDIT: There are those (a dying minority i feel) that still try to do it the right way, and they should be appreciated, but from my eyes the only thing separating a LFC fan from a Chelsea or Bitter supporter is the color of the kit and nothing more. 

You make some very good points Brian but there are also fans such as myself who don't expect perfection, don't jump on the players backs every five minutes who is generally worried about where we are headed.

I want stability as much as anyone but at the same time I think we are being fed a line by those within the club about what are expectations should be and many seem to buy it.

Spot on Si, Brendan just confirms this after a loss and one foot out of the Europa League he comes out with the "in 6 to 12 months we wont be making the same mistakes" pathetic quote, I could educate my 4 year old daughter not to make the same mistakes in that time ffs. Who does he think he's teaching, monkeys?

Some of our support both in the ground and on the forums (and don't tell me it doesn't matter because journos and players read them) is a joke sometimes.

Get what you are saying Mick but only to an extent. There are WUMS yes, and there are people who have have been waiting to put the agendas they've had ready for months into play.

I'm neither of those but don't expect me to be happy with where we are at or not worried about the possibility of everything at the club being wrong.

If others are happy then carry on, but I will never be happy with a Liverpool side with no fight, adaptation or heart. If things were going well and there were signs of progress then great, I'll say nice things.

But they're not are they? And unlike some I am not happy with that.

And before anybody mentions 'writing a season off' or 'season of transition' you can F***ing leg it! If you're happy with that then you've probably got pictures of John Henry on your bedroom wall because you have been brainwashed my friend and are now a member of a cult that I really do believe will be the downfall of this club and will set us back as a force on the field for many years.

Rodgers needs to earn his crust and he needs to do it quickly.

Football has changed over the years, and not for the better in my opinion..

Your point regarding us being the best supporters Brian? Well it can be seen two different ways i guess.

Are we as a set of fans knowledgable? Yes id say so, the majority are very knowledgable about the gmae as a whole and our club.. So we can sit back and look at what is happening and see with that knowledge where we are and if we are going in the right direction..
Being great fans doesnt just mean you sit there and say everything is great and continue to fill the pockets of the rich cu*ts who have plagued the games pockets does it? Sit with an inane grin on our faces and clap because thats what the best fans in the world do is it?
The atmosphere in the ground is changing yes, mainly because the local kids are being priced out of the game, the noisy fuckers who chant cant afford to go to the game now because its being taken over and bled dry by some rich pr**k who doesnt give a F**k about us or our club as long as we pay 45 quid to get in and buy a programe and hey a shirt or something else that will line his pocket..
Its turning into a middle class entertainment business, as long as they pay the high prices who cares who comes through the door..

But as the best fans in the world we just sit back and except that we are nowhere? That because of the way the game has gone that we are being passed by by at least half a dozen clubs? That we have to accept that we are a mid table side now going nowhere? But bury our heads in the sand that people who dont give a monkeys about football or our club will take us back to "where we should be" by doing it a completely different way to everyone else in the league? But that will work right?
We should just nod in agreement becuse thats whats expected?
We are knowledgable and i think the majority can see thats its not going to work..

If the way we are playing this season is pleasing some then fine.. But all i see is a bang average side who wont compete at the top end anymore, we are the exact vision of average now, we are inconsistent, we can look great on certain days and sh*te on others..

We wont be another Forest due to the money in the game at the top level now, but we will probably be another Newcastle or Spurs (of the mid 90s) for the forseeable future.

I dont want the manager sacked, it goes against my principles..

I would support this club if we lost every week and if we were in any division because i love this club .... Its my club

But im not burying my head in the sand at where we are.

Mid table with no immediate look of getting back on our perch

I can see that.. I cant be positive all the time and pretend its all good.. Ill always support this club and wont ever slag any player or manager off.. But as a good fan im not going to pretend i see something i dont

Spot on Pd.

To be saying that anybody who isn't of the mindset that everything is great is a disgrace or what have you is wrong, dramatic, blinkered and maybe smacking of the:'Look at me, aren't I the model fan' outlook in some cases.

Some like me are just very concerned about the club from board room level downwards.

I agree with the OP 100%. You've got young lads playing tonight who haven't even played 20 games for the club getting absolutely slaughtered because we got beat 2-0 away at the Russian champions. This despite the fact that we could have had five or six ourselves and that it was a very difficult game in awful conditions. I remember good Liverpool teams, really f*cking good Liverpool teams getting spanked 3-0 at Dynamo Tibliski and getting less stick than some of the players tonight.

Some of our support both in the ground and on the forums (and don't tell me it doesn't matter because journos and players read them) is a joke sometimes.

Mick, people aren't criticising about one game, people are criticising the way we are heading and it doesn't look good. I agree with Brian about stability that Rodgers should be given a chance to prove himself, but please don't go around calling people joke of a supporters if they are worried about where we are heading, because in our current form it looks like we are going to be a midtable side for a while

experienced manager who is a winner end off we our Liverpool Fc for f**k sake not a experiment.

Should be Liverpool is a winner end off and Liverpool Fc for f**k sake not an experiment.

Managers experience for me is vital but more vital is our boot room.  1 man can't do job.  Even a rocket scientist needs a helper with clean hands to tighten and fix the screws and check and so on.

Get what you are saying Mick but only to an extent. There are WUMS yes, and there are people who have have been waiting to put the agendas they've had ready for months into play.

I'm neither of those but don't expect me to be happy with where we are at or not worried about the possibility of everything at the club being wrong.

If others are happy then carry on, but I will never be happy with a Liverpool side with no fight, adaptation or heart. If things were going well and there were signs of progress then great, I'll say nice things.

But they're not are they? And unlike some I am not happy with that.

And before anybody mentions 'writing a season off' or 'season of transition' you can f**king leg it! If you're happy with that then you've probably got pictures of John Henry on your bedroom wall because you have been brainwashed my friend and are now a member of a cult that I really do believe will be the downfall of this club and will set us back as a force on the field for many years.

Rodgers needs to earn his crust and he needs to do it quickly.

Excellent post WAHS

our scouting needs a major upheavel.  I should be head scout and be incharge of choosing the gaffer.  If we fail to be in top four the same season than I resign with paying the club 10,000 dollars cos thats all i can afford so there. there's my rant

And before anybody mentions 'writing a season off' or 'season of transition' you can F***ing leg it! If you're happy with that then you've probably got pictures of John Henry on your bedroom wall because you have been brainwashed my friend and are now a member of a cult that I really do believe will be the downfall of this club and will set us back as a force on the field for many years.

Rodgers needs to earn his crust and he needs to do it quickly.

Fully agree mate about the woppers explaining away the F**k ups and sleeping well with a picture of John Henry laughing at them while they sleep, the same effigy won't be found on the manager's bedroom wall I can guarantee!!

Brendan was a surprise appointment to some but FSG saw the benefits in installing him as manager of LFC, surely to F**k they will give him the best opportunity to acquit himself well and thereby justify their faith in him.
The same ethos would as a matter of course bring success to the club.
If the advantages John Henry and Co saw in BR's appointment are not exactly what we interpret as such the whole thing unravels and the club's success is not an ingredient of the deal.

LFC as a good investment entity appears to be the objective of the owners, that very statement conjures up a picture of a solvent, self-sustaining, mid-table soccer club which is an improvement on the H&G ideal.
The contented fan with John Henry beaming down on him can sleep well in his cocoon. 

Get what you are saying Mick but only to an extent. There are WUMS yes, and there are people who have have been waiting to put the agendas they've had ready for months into play.

I'm neither of those but don't expect me to be happy with where we are at or not worried about the possibility of everything at the club being wrong.

If others are happy then carry on, but I will never be happy with a Liverpool side with no fight, adaptation or heart. If things were going well and there were signs of progress then great, I'll say nice things.

But they're not are they? And unlike some I am not happy with that.

And before anybody mentions 'writing a season off' or 'season of transition' you can f**king leg it! If you're happy with that then you've probably got pictures of John Henry on your bedroom wall because you have been brainwashed my friend and are now a member of a cult that I really do believe will be the downfall of this club and will set us back as a force on the field for many years.

Rodgers needs to earn his crust and he needs to do it quickly.

Spot on mate.

We can do more starting on Sunday and then on Thursday against Zenit. I'm not overly happy at the moment of where we are but that's something I have no control of. All I can do is my bit and hope those people privledged enough to be employed by the club do their job to their highest possible standard. It's reached the stage now I try to ignore any phone-ins or anything like that (apart from this forum off course) as it's clear that whoever is in charge there will be people who don't think they're good enough whether that's Kenny, Rafa or Brendan. No-one should be told how to think and no-one should be happy with the arsenalification of this club where a champions league spot is the sum of ambition. So comeon boys let's do our bit and hope the people at the club do theirs a lot better.

Deb I think you are being honest and forthright and I appreciate that very much.

I have no problems with people criticizing and being impatient...this is 2013 and in all things in life (not just sports) its the way of the world we live in and I have come to expect it.

What I have never gotten and do not care for are those that preach YNWA have a holier then thou attitude, saying it is what makes LFC fans different then others and then go about having a go at fellow supporters/players/managers etc.

Saw a senior poster on this board today call the manager a c**t and then posted a picture of him as a cock....it may be veiled attempt at humor but in context it was not humorous at all, actually I was shocked. Oh it will get ignored as a way of blowing off steam after a loss, but its more than that and its been brewing in the shadows for several years now.

We have become just like other supporters and other clubs...(it is what it is) we are not special or better than the ones we make fun of.


EDIT: There are those (a dying minority i feel) that still try to do it the right way, and they should be appreciated, but from my eyes the only thing separating a LFC fan from a Chelsea or Bitter supporter is the color of the kit and nothing more. 

I will never condone insults or abuse of anyone connected with the Club whether they be players, managers or the fans AZ.  Some of those comments are showing the Club in a very bad light when forums like this are open to the public and anything posted can be used by the media to put a negative spin on things.

Being someone who even my partner avoids after a loss I can honestly say that what we type on here (insults and abuse excluded) is echoing our genuine fear and concern for the Club and where it's heading.

We are all guilty of taking out our frustrations on those we love the most.  I'm sure you've had arguments with family and friends where things have been said in the heat of the moment that you/they don't really mean but you still care deeply.  That's how I view things, it may be a simplistic view but we're all guilty of it as some time.

You'll Never Walk Alone can mean unconditional, no questions asked support but it can also mean we won't stand by and watch our great Club be decimated by people who don't understand or care what we, the fans expect of them.

Brian spot on mate. Twitter last night was full of idiots calling for BR's head etc.

ffs. give the guy a break and give him and the owners time to get things right.

Some excellent posts on here and all valid.

I've managed to get a ticket for the Swansea game on Sunday so it's going to be interesting for me to see how the atmosphere has changed over the last 5 or 6 years.

My last game was the hammering of Derby when Rafa was still here and the atmosphere that day was special. I haven't been to Anfield since my first son was born in October 2007 so i'm really looking forward to it.

One things for sure, i'm one noisy b***ard and if some hoity toity tw*t starts asking me to pipe down he'll be F***ing having some. We are the 12th man, i'm hoping that still applies on Sunday.

Some excellent posts on here and all valid.

I've managed to get a ticket for the Swansea game on Sunday so it's going to be interesting for me to see how the atmosphere has changed over the last 5 or 6 years.

My last game was the hammering of Derby when Rafa was still here and the atmosphere that day was special. I haven't been to Anfield since my first son was born in October 2007 so i'm really looking forward to it.

One things for sure, i'm one noisy b***ard and if some hoity toity tw*t starts asking me to pipe down he'll be f**king having some. We are the 12th man, i'm hoping that still applies on Sunday.

Go for it mate and make plenty of noise although I fear you will disappointed if my last couple of times are anything to go by.

Go for it mate and make plenty of noise although I fear you will disappointed if my last couple of times are anything to go by.

One thing i'm good at it is making noise mate. The one thing that scares me the most is losing our identity.

We go there to voice our support, not to take photos of Glen Johnson's new hairstyle or to buy some wanky halfy half piece of sh*t scarf.

One thing i'm good at it is making noise mate. The one thing that scares me the most is losing our identity.

We go there to voice our support, not to take photos of Glen Johnson's new hairstyle or to buy some wanky halfy half piece of sh*t scarf.

Oh I'm with you on that mate but as I said you may just get a surprise as to how quiet some people are in the ground these days and the one's who go far more often than me should back me up on that.

Oh I'm with you on that mate but as I said you may just get a surprise as to how quiet some people are in the ground these days and the one's who go far more often than me should back me up on that.

Agree with that.
People seem more interested in chatting to their mates, or on the phone than they do in what's happening on the pitch, then there's those with camera's, and those who seemingly only open their mouths to slag the players.

Something needs to be said aabout us.

Lets be honest, ok we dont go on the field to play or decide who plays or what way we play but we have a lot to answer for in my view.

Granted everyone has opinions and are entitled to them, others wont always or ever agree. But we seem to have become in the last oh say 5 years a bunch of clowns. Heres why

1) Our support in Anfield:
 Is it what it should be? Nowhere near it. At times its a liberary getting outsung by any away group. Then if so much as 1 pass is miss hit audible groans come from the seats. YNWA means fook all to a lot now who cant be arsed to sing it before a game or at the end of a game. We love to cheer for 2 minutes after we score but what about other times in a game when the team needs tgo hear us?

2) Moaning about managers owners etc.:
Non stop. the 2 clowns from America no bother with the complaining there or Hodgson. But the same crowd who wanted Moores gone and wanted him gone for years were the crowd saying these 2 would bring back the glory days. Then they were found out we wanted rid. In came Martin Broughton to find new owners, he was a c**t from Chelsea what was he involved for? Then he got NESV in to buy the club, ah fair play Martin top bloke and NESV were definitely going to be the saviours no doubt. 2 years later and there almost as evil as the last 2 (I cant see why though?) we need them out. Moores should never have sold

6 months in and theres doubts about our new manager. 6 months and the backing from the best supporters in the world is fading?

3) The players:
We need to give youth a chance. Sterling must play Suso must play etc etc. Then low and behold at there young age they dont show the form they showed at under 21 or under 18 and we question there place in the squad. We done a Lucas on Henderson after a few months only to see him come good at the ripe old age of what 22? I go back to the audible moans and groans from our crowd at simple things, imagine hearing that if your a kid learning your trade in the first team helpful? I doubt it. Even the experienced players get it in the neck for a bad game even if there last 5 were top notch.

The crowd in the 60s 70s and 80s were handed trophy after trophy yet they had patience. We get the odd trophy here and there yet we are expectant of it and expectant of perfection like we get it every season and if it doesnt come well then that bunch of players need to be sold that manager needs to be sacked and we nned new owners.

This club needs stability. We have a young manager a young squad and owners new to the sport. They are all learning. For God sake lets be patient give them time to learn and see where it takes us. You might be surprised. We are waiting 23 years for a league surely 2 more wont kill us!

Until this club becomes 1 again from top to bottom, very much including us, the fans, we face an uphill battle to get bacck on our perch

Top post mate, half the reason why I don't bother coming on here now is the moaning and knee jerking. sick of it.

like you said, the club needs stability, that is the only way forward and to be honest I don't care if it takes the young lads and Rodgers 3,4 or 5 seasons to become that winning machine.

Top post mate, half the reason why I don't bother coming on here now is the moaning and knee jerking. sick of it.

like you said, the club needs stability, that is the only way forward and to be honest I don't care if it takes the young lads and Rodgers 3,4 or 5 seasons to become that winning machine.

How about 10 or 15 seasons? Where is the point that you do care?

Next season everyone starts with 0 points.  We are Liverpool Fc.  No fck complaint about thin squad.  Owners Man up.  Fit Bird Linda attending every match with Henry.  No complaint manager.  Go for title or broke not fxk top 4.  No Time No Time this day age max 10 games into star of new season or i'm afraid even after zenit game cos his tactics will be closely scrutunised and if its wrong than the knives will be out.  The knives are out now and laid in the table for performing op.  Just waiting for Dr. Hyde to enter. 

Bren I know you're trying but whatever its not working.  Get clean sheet first. get clean sheet first.  get clean sheet first.  Even against swansea.  Thats progress not conceding in itself.  Goals in the other end may come may not.  But clean sheet vital vital.

to be honest I don't care if it takes the young lads and Rodgers 3,4 or 5 seasons to become that winning machine.

Really?

I'd think you might be in a very small group as I do care about what happens now, next season and the one after.

I don't see any reason why we can't 'rebuild' while also focusing on the present time as well otherwise there might well be no future success for these young players to come into.

In 2 seasons time we could still be languishing in mid table minus players like Suarez, Lucas, Coutinho etc and only have young players to count on.

The usual, 'our fans aren't what they used to be.....' crap. First of all we are still a better lot than most, at this stage of the season with these results and performances, probably sooner, the Mancs, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal fans would be audibly calling for the manager to be sacked. Infact our belief we are better seems to get in the way of a lot supporters actually admitting the truth that this season and Brendan's management has been abysmal. Instead in an effort to show how 'much better we are' a lot of us have lowered our expectations of what I consider to be a very good squad.

Secondly,moaning about the manager, what he says, his methods has been part of being a supporter since day dot. It's our right as supporters to highlight, discuss and yes CRITICISE the manager, people did it in the pub after games and now it's said more on the net so what? Nobody to man seemed to mind giving Hodgson grief, so why on Earth would BR be immune? Is it because he likes to pass the ball around in our own half? (This and hammering the old 'This is Anfield' sign seems to have impressed and pulled the wool over a lot of fans eyes).

I remember when we were number one in Europe under Rafa, and some of the very posters who have fallen for BR were kicking Rafa in and calling him a fool for rotating, zonal marking and the line up, ( all which seem now to be employed by most top teams,funnily enough). My point being this is nothing new, it was just easy for us to appear to be magnanimous and patient in the past, simply because we were winning everything.

The usual, 'our fans aren't what they used to be.....' crap. First of all we are still a better lot than most, at this stage of the season with these results and performances, probably sooner, the Mancs, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal fans would be audibly calling for the manager to be sacked. Infact our belief we are better seems to get in the way of a lot supporters actually admitting the truth that this season and Brendan's management has been abysmal. Instead in an effort to show how 'much better we are' a lot of us have lowered our expectations of what I consider to be a very good squad.

secondly,Moaning about the manager, what he says, his methods has been part of being a supporter since day dot. It's our right as supporters to highlight, discuss and yes CRITICISE the manager, people did it in the pub after games and now it's said more on Internet so what? Nobody to man seemed to mind giving Hodgson grief, so why on Earth would BR be immune? Is it because he likes to pass the ball around in our own half? (This and hammering the old 'This is Anfield' sign seems to have impressed and pulled the wool over a lot of fans eyes).

I remember when we were number one in Europe under Rafa, and some of the very posters who have fallen for BR were kicking Rafa in and calling him a fool for rotating, zonal marking and the line up, ( all which seem now to be employed by most top teams,funnily enough). My point being this is nothing new, a it was just easy for us op to appear to be magnanimous and patient in the past, simply because we were winning everything.

Nobody to man seemed to mind giving Hodgson grief, so why on Earth would BR be immune? Is it because he likes to pass the ball around in our own half? (This and hammering the old 'This is Anfield' sign seems to have impressed and pulled the wool over a lot of fans eyes).

A decent point.

While we all knew very early that Hodgson was out of his depth you could make a very valid case that the current manager also is.

I feel that Brendan is getting much more leeway for a few reasons.

1. Style of football and how he talks about the game.
2. No one really warmed to Roy at all and many didn't want him here in the first place.
3. Most of us don't want to be a club that constantly sacks managers.

I honestly feel that if Brendan was coming into the club after a manager who had been here a while he would be under much more pressure than he is now and think that many people are more reserved in their criticisim of him as we desperately don't want to be in the position of looking for another manager early next season.

I don't agree with those that think Brendan gets criticised too much as I feel the opposite is true as when some of us do give him a bit of criticism it's automatically seen as wanting him out.

The reason I have been fairly patient with Brendan so far has been that I put most of the blame for our problems on FSG. Now I believe he has been reasonably backed (obviously I would have liked more and last summer rather than having to wait till Christmas) and I think he should be judged or criticised on what he achieves from now.

I do think we have to start seeing real progress sooner rather than later, we can't just wave goodbye to 3 or 4 years years of stagnation vainly hoping that it will all suddenly come good. I am willing to be patient, but unless we see some progress I will be looking for a change of manager next Christmas or sooner if we go any further backwards.

In all honesty I have been disappointed in him so far, I expected better even with the handicap of FSG.

For me judgement began when the transfer window closed, and while I don't demand top 4, I do expect to see us starting to win some difficult games rather than just flat track bullying of the Norwichs of this league.

Time and patience, but he needs to start to earn them now with progress and results. 

I really want to be patient, I completely agree that chopping and changing mangers is counterproductive and will not bring success, unless ofcourse we happen to pick a diamond, and maybe this is why some want to give BR 2-3 years.

The thing is if, as I do, you are convinced that BR is out of his depth, quite frankly amatuerish at times  and we are falling further behind, then why should we give him lots of time? It will hurt my club, top players will leave to be replaced by the best of Swansea, he doesn't have the calibre to recruit the very best players, the 'men' he now wants. Even those who are trying to convince themselves he is a top manger, let's be honest, if you could go back to June would you still pick Brendan over any of the viable candidates? I don't expect honest answers here, but consider it offline.

We all seem to agree that FSG are pretty naieve on football soccer matters, so why the faith in their decision on appointing Brendan, at the very least he can and should be examined critically.

IMHO I still think this sqaud is talented enough to have got into the top four, and has been poorly organised, the only problem with changing / removing Brendan sooner or later will be who the fck will FSG appoint next? If any club needs a qualified DOF it's us.

We have a decent side now. In 2 or 3 years time they should become a winning machine.

They have shown absolutey nothing thus far to give you that kind of indication.  When we have won, 90% of the time it's because of Suarez.  Do you think he's going to wait around during the prime of his career while the rest of our "young players" (maybe) fulfill their promise?

Even if these players do get better, you're also assuming the teams above us aren't also going to improve.  Which they will.  In fact they already are.

You just swallow the club's talking points hook line and sinker.  We are skint.  And of our players aren't good enough.  It is what it is.  Chelsea, City, United etc don't need to wait around because they can buy whomever the hell they want.  Spurs are unfortunately playing brilliant football with Bale and will attract even more top talent if they make top 4.  Arsenal have just as many young players who might come good, combined with Cazorla and Walcott who are already world class.  Swansea are on the up.  West Brom are ahead of us and getting better and better.  Even Everton are doing better than us.

Can we just cut the crap please?  You can cross your fingers all you like that in 2-3 years we'll be fantastic, but in 2-3 years the other 8 teams above us might be even more fantastic. 

We need better players.  Simple as that.

The reason I have been fairly patient with Brendan so far has been that I put most of the blame for our problems on FSG.

Our players aren't good enough.  Rodgers chose to spend £25 million on Allen and Borini.  How is that FSG's fault?

Very viable points from Redtrader and Federer there. Credit where its due.

Our players aren't good enough.  Rodgers chose to spend £25 million on Allen and Borini.  How is that FSG's fault?

That is not FSG's fault. The fact that we have been short up front until Sturridge was bought at Christmas imo is.

As I said before Brendan has now imo been reasonably backed and I will now judge him on what he achieves (or doesn't) and the progress we now make...... or don't.

Obviously the squad is not as strong as we would like and there are still gaps needing to be filled or strengthened, but imo it is now good enough to be getting much better results than we have been so far, and it is up to Brenden to ensure we do.

Yes sir saint.  Can fully understand where you coming from .  Sacking BR now is the worst possible scenario.  Unfortunately for him immediate success is where the world stands right now.

All the foundations are already there but imho it has not been utilised to its full potential.  Too many jack ups like Aquilani saga, selling Alonso, bad scouting (granted where credit is due to some exception signings but majority not good), sacking Kenny (He needed time BR needs time) and so forth you know all the bulshype we went through.

Its time all the vital organs started functioning to the true spirit of this great institution and get us where we belong next season, winning cups and mounting a serious bid for prem title.

Firstly i don't want Brendan sacked nothing is worse than a club sacking managers for fun.
But while i will be at the game today & i will be giving the lads my all as per
I'm not looking forward to going one bit.
We are crap we stale we are boring & i blame Brendan.
He was brought in at Kennys expense & i for one don't think for 1 minute he has earned his wages
never mind justified FSGs decision to replace Kenny with him.

He has also wasted good money on bang average players Allen Borini Assaidi ect.

Brendan as far as i'm concerned is not up to it. He has until the end of the season in my
book to prove me wrong.

I've supported him from day 1 against my better judgement (not experienced enough) &
will do til the end of the campaign then it's judgement time for me. Being sh*te for 3
seasons while the team matures doesn't cut it with me sorry..

Have a good day mate.  Will Look out for you in tv.  Where bout's you gonna be sitting when I watch it in TV screen.  Hope you and your buddies have a safe and enjoyable time Andymacmac

I like our squad, except for the lack of really penetrating CM's who can carry or pass the ball forward without losing it as well as being effective. I like Lucas, I am hoping Coutinho can be a Iniesta type midfielder, We could really use an Alonso. But BR is like all managers he relies on results and specifically in our case momentum. No one is fooled by cheap psychological tricks or the new style of managerial speak that has permeated all walks of life such as 'business flow' or 'moving forwards' but this is not BR's fault, it's everywhere so unfortunately are cameras. Personally I think we need the youth system, the marketing, the preparation in fact all aspects of the club to be improving and have a consistency with the way we want to play. If this happens the managers become less important, eventually we can promote within the club like a lot of the big European teams do.

Have a good day mate.  Will Look out for you in tv.  Where bout's you gonna be sitting when I watch it in TV screen.  Hope you and your buddies have a safe and enjoyable time Andymacmac

I'll be in the Kop with the wife today!! But i'll still be gobbin off lad!!
4 rows from the front have way between the goal & the Kop/Main stand corner.
I'm the one with the mental curly barnet!!!
Cheers Andy

  

Really?

I'd think you might be in a very small group as I do care about what happens now, next season and the one after.

I don't see any reason why we can't 'rebuild' while also focusing on the present time as well otherwise there might well be no future success for these young players to come into.

In 2 seasons time we could still be languishing in mid table minus players like Suarez, Lucas, Coutinho etc and only have young players to count on.

Help me Jeebus! I do care what’s happening now, I'm just saying as long as we see progress and decent players coming then we need to give them time and I have every faith that Rodgers is the man to do it.

The last thing I want to see is him getting the sack because we don't get that 4th spot. I mean F**k me it took Fergie 7 years to win anything and look what he’s achieved!

With stability comes longevity, which breeds success.

He will get things wrong like he already has but if he gets support he will succeed. He is getting the team to play good football and he needs to sign more quality.

It's not like our previous managers didn't make any transfer blunders.

How about 10 or 15 seasons? Where is the point that you do care?

When it looks like we are going backwards is when you should draw the line but to ask Rodgers to come in and be title or even 4th spot contenders within the first season is just ridiculous. The second season I would say right you need to get 4th at least have a good run at it. Patience is a virtue my friend.

But if we use Fergie as our guide, he went backwards (finished second then 11th) in his first few years, so we can't even use going backwards as a measure.

Seriously, people can use Ferguson's seven years of failure to excuse any manager of failure if they so wish.

Progress is rarely a straight line going upwards but more usually a series of troughs and crests, but there HAS to be progress over a period of time. I would say that in the short time Brendan has been here we haven't seen much ..... if any progress so far.

We have a reasonably easy run in till the end of the season, I would hope that Brendan can show some progress before the season is over.

I think the time for excuses and allowances to be made are now past, he was reasonably backed in the transfer window and we should now expect to reap some reward in terms of results.  As I said before time and patience but he needs to earn them now with results and progress.

I think there is a hell of a lot of bollox on here regarding the fans who go to the game..

Some people who don't go seem to think lots of people who do go take it for granted
and are not that arsed about it!!!!!

Take it from me 99% of fans who go care deeply or why the F**k would they take the time, effort,
expense, grief from neglected family members ect ect ect to go in the 1st place.

imo anyone can watch the game from the comfort of their bedroom on their laptop
but thats not what being a liverpool supporter is about.

Fans who do make the effort deserve a lot because they give a lot in every possible way.
Time, Money,Effort, SUPPORT often at the expense of frankly far more important things in life.
ie Family..
.
If the atmosphere is not what it should be at times its probably not only the fans fault. They
go because they want to feel & be a part of that atmosphere.Its the players who have defaulted
on the Fans, Manager, Team Holy Trinity.(thanks shanks)

The real players ie Stevie & Jaime know this better than anyone & you would never hear them
slag the supporters in the ground so how come people on web sites like this who don't go feel
 they have the right to do it!!!

F***ing joke if you don't go to the game then don't c**t off fans who do as you haven't earned
the right to,you just make yourself look like a muppet internet tit..

 

Rightly put AndyMac.  Just wish the support from the Tourist Fans made more effort to help the Local Lads.  call 'em what you like but the tourist fan is a fan wanting a Liverpool win but just does not know how to get along with the act.  say I were to visit Anfield I would try my best to meet up with other fans interact and learn and how to go with the boping and bouncing when we're in full flow.
Having said that I could argue that the local lads should too play their part in aiding the tourist fans to enjoy and get with the flow of the game resulting to better team display and memories of visiting again bringing in more revenue to the city of Liverpool.
I like to say I live in the melting point where West and east Collide and the way to go forward is learning the good things from both cultures and eradicating the bad ones for the outcome in you being a better person.

I try not to judge how good or true a fan is based on their opinion of the manager at the time. I was the victim of plenty of that over the years (as Redtrader will know if he's the same one who used to post/mod on Newkit). You can't make someone have faith in a manager if they don't already, only the manager himself can do that in his performance.

I totally get why people think Brendan has under performed, that always happens when someone's performance doesn't match up to your expectation. For me, he's actually gone a little better than I thought he would after the summer transfer window closed so I don't feel that. Equally, I still think Joe Allen will become a very good player for us, and I like Borini too so there's no minus for me there either.

The two aspects of the criticism which get on my tits are this. Firstly when people won't even give credit to the team and the manager when we obviously play well, like yesterday. Picking fault in that would be the equivalent of doing so after some of our excellent champions league performances under Rafa (I'm not comparing he achievement, just the performance). The other bit which gets me sometimes is when people really obviously want the manager out, but won't actually say it. Equally, they want a particular manager in but won't say it either. At least I was honest where some previous managers were concerned, if only they'd be the same.

I think a good defensive coach consisting of Carragher and Carlton Palmer may be beneficial to us any comments?

I think a good defensive coach consisting of Carragher and Carlton Palmer may be beneficial to us any comments?

Carlton Palmer.

Brilliant.

Were you being sarcastic or for real si?

Were you being sarcastic or for real si?

I'm laughing my balls off mate.

Surely your joking about Carlton or at the very least mixing him up with someone who is a good defensive coach.

I'm laughing my balls off mate.

Me too.

Brilliant!

Believe you in me.  This guy Carlton Palmer has matured, got some remembrances for his as a player and appreciated what he did for the game (being black) albeit with controlled degree of clumsiness  but this guy has matured.  Sitting back and watching games instead of playing has given his mind an abundance of wisdom. 

The boot room theory on watching videos theory will be very applicable for coaching role too.  And when I see him give the tactical applauds and mistakes and corrections in defence/attack after the post show match is a joy to watch and learn.  Added advantage of the historical knowledge and respect he has for Liverpool (may not be his favorite club). he does have my respect cos he does make sense.  A guy people will laugh at but will silently get the job done with Carra making sure the players command their attention.  Plus an all round friendly guy off the pitch.  If offered the job this guy will do it for peanuts just to have the chance to be part of history.

Was good enough black man to play for England good enough to join with Jamie.  So there 

Believe you in me.  This guy Carlton Palmer has matured, got some remembrances for his as a player and appreciated what he did for the game (being black) albeit with controlled degree of clumsiness  but this guy has matured.  Sitting back and watching games instead of playing has given his mind an abundance of wisdom. 

The boot room theory on watching videos theory will be very applicable for coaching role too.  And when I see him give the tactical applauds and mistakes and corrections in defence/attack after the post show match is a joy to watch and learn.  Added advantage of the historical knowledge and respect he has for Liverpool (may not be his favorite club). he does have my respect cos he does make sense.  A guy people will laugh at but will silently get the job done with Carra making sure the players command their attention.  Plus an all round friendly guy off the pitch.  If offered the job this guy will do it for peanuts just to have the chance to be part of history.

Was good enough black man to play for England good enough to join with Jamie.  So there 

I like that you've managed to make a decent defence for your claim for Carlton getting the job, while I see there being more chance of Elvis riding Shergar to win next year's derby, at least you've backed up your claim.

Palmer was one of the clumsiest looking footballers I've ever seen and personally think he'd be an horrific choice, but each to their own.

Carlton Palmer wasn't even a defender, he played in midfield.

Sure you're not mistaking him for Des Walker, BKLFC?  Not that I'm saying Des should be considered either.

Carlton 4 me it is than I'm stubborn you should be happy I'm not yours head scout than.     

TenSports and TenAction covers the Champions League and Europa, along with the League Cup. 

John Burridge (Buddgie)  Jim Morrisson and Carlton Palmer (Parmy) are the hosts, hilarious combination and argumentative discussions with a feeling that Buddgie has a little more softer corner for LFC than Palmer.

Espn & Star Sports covers the EPL and FA cup with various hosts including our Steve Mchanon and Carlton Palmer.  Greatly chuffed to see the glow on Steve that was emitting from his face when he closed with Five Star Performance.  Another Potential candidate for the role and would jump the gun to be back here.  Defender coaches needn't be a defender when they were playing tho it makes sense.  Just like you don't need a certificate to be top coach.

The after show with tactics discussion from Palmer is super.

I think a good defensive coach consisting of Carragher and Carlton Palmer may be beneficial to us any comments?

Get some fresh air, consume enough alcohol to make you vomit, buy a prossie, do something but please don't ever suggest Carlton Palmer should ever work for Liverpool Football Club.

Believe you in me.  This guy Carlton Palmer has matured, got some remembrances for his as a player and appreciated what he did for the game (being black) albeit with controlled degree of clumsiness  but this guy has matured.  Sitting back and watching games instead of playing has given his mind an abundance of wisdom. 

The boot room theory on watching videos theory will be very applicable for coaching role too.  And when I see him give the tactical applauds and mistakes and corrections in defence/attack after the post show match is a joy to watch and learn.  Added advantage of the historical knowledge and respect he has for Liverpool (may not be his favorite club). he does have my respect cos he does make sense.  A guy people will laugh at but will silently get the job done with Carra making sure the players command their attention.  Plus an all round friendly guy off the pitch.  If offered the job this guy will do it for peanuts just to have the chance to be part of history.

Was good enough black man to play for England good enough to join with Jamie.  So there 

Behave lad, he was a bag of sh*te lanky F***ing no mark and was lucky to even play for England, the fact he was picked by Graham Taylor speaks volumes. Now let'e never hear this kind of gibberish again!

Ya I know that there are world class people out there.  But why don't we seem to be getting them in?  Just throwing some names around on the cheap side which we could pull in. What about Steve than?