Martin Skrtel (Napoli)

I am one of those older members that remembers our dominance mate but I disagree that the world has changed or that those days won't ever come back.  The scum have been dominant for the last 20 years although they never excelled in Europe like we did in our pomp.  They took over where we left off, we took our eye off the ball (no pun intended) and we're still suffering for it.

However to say we are in perpetual depression is wrong.  We, by nature, have a back to the walls mentality and tend to come out fighting first and ask questions later.  We also have an innate hatred (possibly too strong a term) of all things capitalist, so although we're happy to pump vast amounts of money into the Club it's not so that others can get rich from it.  Make a living yes, make a fortune no!! 

It doesn't matter how many generations go by, that philosophy will never change, socialism is a part of scousers dna.

Skrtel would have been sold were it not for time running out. That said, on this occasion I wouldn't have blamed the owners. Pointless carrying 6 centre halves regardless of how much money the owners have or haven't got. My guess is he'll be away in January.

I am one of those older members that remembers our dominance mate but I disagree that the world has changed or that those days won't ever come back.  The scum have been dominant for the last 20 years although they never excelled in Europe like we did in our pomp.  They took over where we left off, we took our eye off the ball (no pun intended) and we're still suffering for it.

However to say we are in perpetual depression is wrong.  We, by nature, have a back to the walls mentality and tend to come out fighting first and ask questions later.  We also have an innate hatred (possibly too strong a term) of all things capitalist, so although we're happy to pump vast amounts of money into the Club it's not so that others can get rich from it.  Make a living yes, make a fortune no!! 

It doesn't matter how many generations go by, that philosophy will never change, socialism is a part of scousers dna.

Like I said Deb my "History" with the club began on Oct 17, 2010 at 4-am here in Arizona; I remember it well.

So I base everything we are and the direction we are heading based off that start date, anything else from me would be hypocritical.

I guess I am just less pessimistic then many and it is based off the sequence of events from my start date versus others and that's probably the sole reason for it.

Cheers.

Skrtel would have been sold were it not for time running out. That said, on this occasion I wouldn't have blamed the owners. Pointless carrying 6 centre halves regardless of how much money the owners have or haven't got. My guess is he'll be away in January.

Agree.

Especially one the manager clearly doesn't rate.

Like I said Deb my "History" with the club began on Oct 17, 2010 and 4 am here in Arizona.

So I base everything we are and the direction we are heading based off that start date, anything else from me would be hypocritical.

I guess I am just less pessimistic then many.

Cheers.

Improvement is easier to see when you're starting from such a low point AZ, pessimism has nothing to do with it.

Like I said Deb my "History" with the club began on Oct 17, 2010 at 4-am here in Arizona; I remember it well.

So I base everything we are and the direction we are heading based off that start date, anything else from me would be hypocritical.

Unfair then to criticise others who's 'history' with the club goes back a great deal further then is it not?

Unfair then to criticise others who's 'history' with the club goes back a great deal further then is it not?

Just as unfair as it would be to criticize those that have a shorter history.

It works both way's my friend.

Neither way is the right way or the wrong way.

Like I said Deb my "History" with the club began on Oct 17, 2010 at 4-am here in Arizona; I remember it well.

Pretty obvious from that date that you are a FSG spy

I am one of the older supporters mate and while I agree it is difficult to adjust and accept how far we have fallen, I have also seen how quickly we can rise again given the right manager and the right backing, so my frustration that FSG haven't so far broken any sweat in their financial backing of our managers is perhaps more understandable.

Certainly I feel that FSG are in danger of missing a god sent opportunity to get us back on our perch quickly as I believe we could and should be taking advantage of the restructuring at the mancs.   

Certainly I feel that FSG are in danger of missing a god sent opportunity to get us back on our perch quickly as I believe we could and should be taking advantage of the restructuring at the mancs.   

Exactly how I've felt this summer Saint.

Some may see it as moaning. I just see it as wanting the best for the club and giving what is potentially a very talented manager the best tools for the job.

Deb, I am quite sure that some people will never ever move on.

This is one thing I have 100% absolute confidence in.

Here is the honest truth, although you may disagree.

Those older members of the forum, those that experienced the teams of Shankly, Paisley and Dalglish got a chance to see this club be the pinnacle of world football, not once, not twice but decades of dominance.

So after seeing and experiencing the highest levels for so long anything less is un-gratifying and not very satisfying.

I don't think posters on here are  mean-spirited or anything like that; I think they are just in constant depression and will continue to be throughout they're lives because it did change and it won't be like it used to be.

I just think people are disappointed because they are comparing what was with today and quite honestly I don't think any team in any league is going to match the dominance that we once had; the world has changed considerably and LFC will never be like it once was.

So I can understand frustration when you are comparing what we are today vs. what we used to be.

That being said we are always going to be a f**king shambles if we are going to compare Liverpool Football Club today (or in the future) to those of the 60's 70's 80's.

And if that is the measure of what needs to be achieved in the future then until generations pass people will not move on or every be happy because the standard we must strive to match is to great a hill for any club in today's world to climb.

I measure improvement and success from my reference point of 3 years ago, that is where my standard is. Reading books and watching  videos of what occurred 30-40 years ago can't change the experience of actually supporting and watching/learning the past 3 years.

To me we have gotten better and better each season (though the standings might not show it yet) so I see improvement and I think there is a plan going forward that is taking place.

Roy Hodgson Merseyside Derby 2010 was my first reference point to this club and the first "football" match I ever watched. To me we are light years ahead of where we used to be.

I can't find your old post to give you a + but will give you one for this last post instead.

Just adding to what reddebs said earlier AZ. You have contradicted yourself when stating that no team will replicate what we achieved in the 70's and 80's. United have done it in the 90's and noughties.

As much as i hate United and i really do hate them, they have done over the last two decades what we did in the two decades before them.

I too am one of those older supporters, not as old or as lucky as those on here who witnessed the 60's and 70's but i witnessed the 80's on.

It doesn't matter whether it's 1960 or 2030, the concerns of supporters will always be the same. During those eras we went out and got who we wanted. When we wanted John Barnes or Kenny Dalglish we went out and got them.

You can call us a bunch of whiney old bas**rds all day for all i care, what we wanted back then and what we want now are exactly the same thing.

A team that is capable of dominating both England and Europe.

I like him but really hope we move him on for his sake because as soon as Sakho,Kolo are in and up to speed he will be benched again or be used in dribs and drabs, and at his age he needs game time.
 there's still time for a russian team to buy him before midnight there time, otherwise only other option is loaning him to a Championship team which will never happen and it means we have a massivley strong defence

its win-win either way we get a fee to cover the costs of Sakho or we sell him in jan for 10mil to Napoli

Still reckon he'll go. Get the feeling that Brendan doesn't much rate him. Suppose the death knell will be when Brendan will say something along the lines of "no, he's not going out on loan". So long Mart & thanks.

We seem to be going against the grain by keeping him here. I still rate him very much but we now have better quality and IMO Ilori may just be ahead of him even though he is so young.

Skrtel is F***ing boss and I'm glad we didn't sell him for a paltry 10m.

Skrtel is f**king boss and I'm glad we didn't sell him for a paltry 10m.

Yeah, but will probably go in the loan window. Rafa must be loving these 'try before you buy' deals.

In the meantime Skrtel & Reina's market value will have further diminished.

The only way to boost our midfield is to sell a centre back you would think. Unless Rodgers plays 3 centre backs Skrtel would seem a sensible option in terms of selling. 10 million for a chap in his late 20s who is solid as they come but ultimately uncomfortable on the ball is no bad business if it means bringing in another central midfielder. Obviously would like to keep him ideally ...

Can't help but feel a bit sorry for him. I don't think Martin is an exceptional player but he has done well for us, certainly being one of our most consistent players under Kenny. That said, I would be the first to say this as well, I do think Sakho and Agger are better players and are probably the right choices for selection.

I was heading to footy this afternoon and picked a mate up from Childwall Fiveways. He said he saw Skrtel as he walked round. My mates reaction was 'he's f**king getting paid to turn up in a really expensive car when I am getting a lift to St. Helens, by giving up my Saturday to play for free, in the passenger side of a Toyota Yaris'. Couldn't help but laugh.