Dejan Lovren (Liverpool > Zenit St Petersburg)

Just cheer for the motherfucker and I promise I'll love Lazar back for you (even though I'm actually quite a fan of his already, really hope he develops nicely for us because he's got a lot of raw talent).

We are going waaaay of topic mate,say it like this...Im not gonna mention lovren in negative context any more and that is it.

We are going waaaay of topic mate,say it like this...Im not gonna mention lovren in negative context any more and that is it.

True, true.  About Lovren though, wouldn't be bothered in the slightest if he left, would be more disappointed about the wasted money and missed opportunities that could have gone to someone else.

I believe that we should loan Lovren out to a Italian or Germany club hopefully he will learn to defend

I believe that we should loan Lovren out to a Italian or Germany club hopefully he will learn to defend

We're not in a position where we can afford to loan him. If we want him to learn how to defend then we need to bring in somebody who can teach defending rather than sending him abroad.

We're not in a position where we can afford to loan him. If we want him to learn how to defend then we need to bring in somebody who can teach defending rather than sending him abroad.

Does that not also cost money to bring someone in???....It is the cost that you refer to is it not?... Loaning him out is by far the cheaper option...
If that is not what you mean, and you are saying to keep him in case we need him, Then I would argue that He is more of a liability at present and would much rather see Sebastián Coates on the team sheet than Dejan Lovren

Does that not also cost money to bring someone in???....It is the cost that you refer to is it not?... Loaning him out is by far the cheaper option...
If that is not what you mean, and you are saying to keep him in case we need him, Then I would argue that He is more of a liability at present and would much rather see Sebastián Coates on the team sheet than Dejan Lovren

We're not Chelsea, we can't spend £20m on players and then loan them out. Who then takes their place in the squad? Bringing in a coach that could help the entire defence and team is far better than loaning out somebody in the hope that they may come good. There's also no guarantee that if they perform well on loan that they'd come back and perform well for us.

Why would you rather see Coates? You've no doubt seen less of him this season than you have of Lovren so what makes you think he's all that better? It says a lot about Coates when he couldn't get into a Sunderland side that was struggling to stay in the division. He's a pre-season player, performs well but then goes to sh*t in the regular season.

Why would you rather see Coates? You've no doubt seen less of him this season than you have of Lovren so what makes you think he's all that better? It says a lot about Coates when he couldn't get into a Sunderland side that was struggling to stay in the division. He's a pre-season player, performs well but then goes to sh*t in the regular season.

Mate Coates is one of the main reasons Sunderland stayed up this season he was brilliant for them in the run in.

 Coates? The Uruguayan bloke?

 

 

Mate Coates is one of the main reasons Sunderland stayed up this season he was brilliant for them in the run in.

I'm not going to argue that he was good for a few games but those good few games doesn't mean he's automatically good enough to get into the Liverpool team. If by default he is good enough then the club needs to get a grip in the centre back area. 

Not about that mate,its about that every tackle he made had intention to hurt,to kill our player.
That is something i do not appreciate.

Ye need to bring on Slobodan Milosevic for those type of games then .

We're not Chelsea, we can't spend £20m on players and then loan them out. Who then takes their place in the squad? Bringing in a coach that could help the entire defence and team is far better than loaning out somebody in the hope that they may come good. There's also no guarantee that if they perform well on loan that they'd come back and perform well for us.

Fair points...It is just that £20m on a guy that defends no better than Emre Cann, (that's not to say Cann is a bad defender) But for £20m you least expect him to communicate well with other defenders and know when not to dive in

Why would you rather see Coates? You've no doubt seen less of him this season than you have of Lovren so what makes you think he's all that better? It says a lot about Coates when he couldn't get into a Sunderland side that was struggling to stay in the division. He's a pre-season player, performs well but then goes to sh*t in the regular season.

Its just that I deem that Coates is less of a liability than Lovren, but you have a point about Coates. I stand corrected

Fair points...It is just that £20m on a guy that defends no better than Emre Cann, (that's not to say Cann is a bad defender) But for £20m you least expect him to communicate well with other defenders and know when not to dive in

I agree that's what we should expect, I just think it'd be good to see what our 20m man could become with some decent defensive coaching rather than go out on loan. If we're prepared to sell then that's another story.

i too wouldn't mind seeing coates ahead of this guy in the 11 next season....he's not good enough but he'll have to do if we can't bring anyone else in

the only problem i have with him is his sluggishness and whether he's good enough with the ball at his feet (especially under pressure)

can we not offer him as part of the clyne deal maybe a swap

Lovren has to be given at least 1 more season.

As discussed in many other threads, all new players should be given 1 season to settle into thier new club.

Congrats on the wedding day Dejan.

Lovren has to be given at least 1 more season.

As discussed in many other threads, all new players should be given 1 season to settle into thier new club.

When you're a quality player, you don't need time to settle. The examples are countless.

When you're a quality player, you don't need time to settle. The examples are countless.

As are the examples of players who DID need one year to settle.

When you're a quality player, you don't need time to settle. The examples are countless.

There is also countless examples of players who did take time to settle

There is no set time limit on when a player settles at a club

When you're a quality player, you don't need time to settle. The examples are countless.

Falcao, di maria, Ozil, Suarez

From research done by Tompkins with the help of various football statisticians, only 26% of big money signings can be said to have made an impact in their first season in English football.

Of course I expect this very thorough research to be challenged by someone who merely says "I don't believe it" instead of producing any counter statistics, but if no stats and research are shown, I'll just ignore those posts

From research done by Tompkins with the help of various football statisticians, only 26% of big money signings can be said to have made an impact in their first season in English football.

Doesn't really apply to Lovren though, he already had a season in England before he even came here.

Keep on improving Dejan, we'll need you to.

Falcao, di maria, Ozil, Suarez

From research done by Tompkins with the help of various football statisticians, only 26% of big money signings can be said to have made an impact in their first season in English football.

Of course I expect this very thorough research to be challenged by someone who merely says "I don't believe it" instead of producing any counter statistics, but if no stats and research are shown, I'll just ignore those posts

All the players you mention are coming from different leagues though, whereas Lovren requiring time to adapt to a new club who is competing at almost exactly the same level as you were the previous season is a hard excuse to swallow. Even more compounded by the fact that not only did our defence look just as bad as it ever has but Southampton's actually improved.

Lovren could well improve beyond all recognition, stranger things have happened but right now, given that he's been in this league before, he's played at the level we're currently at before and he's also going to be 26 at the start of the next campaign then I believe we'll see exactly the same player. For that reason I hope we either keep Ilori or sign someone else because Skrtel and Sakho are our only reliable CBs and they can both be improved upon, knocking one of these down to the subs bench would be a step forward, persisting with Lovren in the hope he improves is too much of a gamble for me.