Are you seriously asking a Liverpool fan that despises the mancs, to eulogise about a manc keeper? So when he makes his own share of errors, they are going to be fished out and highlighted. Same as you with Lovren, only he's one of us and you're supposed to get behind him, even if he'll never be a Hansen.
Hoffenheim was the side I wanted to avoid in the qualifying round. Even more so when we had to face a penalty there after just 10 minutes. I also said I didn't want Roma in the semi final, and certainly not having to go there in the second leg, with all the hassle involved. But that's exactly what we had to deal with. One of our fans is still in hospital. As for City? Well who wants to play City? Our group went to the final day with nothing decided. There were not many other groups with that scenario. We got a nice fixture list for the group, but that was about it. If however, we had to go to Seville and get a result there on the last day to progress, well we know the hard way how tough Seville are.
You have a view about Lovren, so no matter how he performs, it will never be consistent enough for you. The fact is he has achieved more than many players this season, and if he was somewhere else, we would take one look at his record this year, and see if he was available.
Are you six years old or something lad? Yes we all hate Man U but does that mean you can't accept that de gea is the best goalie in the world or something? That's just silly and immature.
I would have used de gea in the example no matter who he played for because he's the best keeper in the world. It just so happens that it's man united. But the point i was making was that even the best players make mistakes at times but it's very rare that they do. It isn't just about making a mistake either, it's about performing to a high level every single week. Lovren might not make any drastic mistakes that lead directly to a goal but it doesn't necessarily mean he's had a good game either.
Well if we're shitting our knickers over F***ing hoffenheim then I don't even know why we bother qualifying for the damn thing then. No disrespect to them, but if we played them 100 times I'd expect to beat them about 80. We played them twice this season and we beat them twice. With ease.
You know as well as I do that the champions league draw was very kind to us this season but let me refresh your memory anyway. We were in pot three. From all the teams we could have drawn from pot 1, 2 and 4 we got the weakest in each. We couldn't have possibly asked for a better draw so I can't actually believe what I'm reading here.
So what if it went to the last game of the group to secure qualification? That doesn't mean the group was strong. Maybe it had something to do with our bloody defence throwing a 3-0 win away in Seville. Funnily enough, Lovren partnered Klavan in the defence that night as we didn't have VVD back then.
Then we move into the last 16. Again, from all clubs we could have drawn we were gifted Porto, the weakest team we could have possibly faced. Just like hoffenheim, I expected us to comfortably beat them and that we did. We didn't just beat them, we F***ing smashed them apart and showed the difference in class.
Then our luck changed and we were given city. Our performances in both legs was immense and I have stated several times Lovren more than played his part in them. He was solid.
Then into the semi's and the luck was back on our side and we were given Roma instead of Bayern or real. Nobody cares what your personal preference was, it's irrelevant. And any off the field antics has nothing to do with what happens on the pitch either. The fact is Roma are a far weaker side than either Bayern or Real. End of.
So the draw couldn't have gone any better for us so just come off it lad. Stop spouting sh*te trying to blag some weird point. It's just embarrassing trying to claim that we had this horrific run before we made it to Kiev and that dejan Lovren was a massive part of it. We couldn't have asked for a better run.
You keep repeating yourself in saying I have something against Lovren, that I have an agenda against him and that I never see any good in him but I've stated several times already and in this post alone he has performed on occasions and when he has done then I've openly said so.
If anything it's people like yourself who have the agenda just to defend him for the sake of it. It's like he and certain other players can do no wrong but the fact is he's not a top level centre half. You keep saying if he wasn't on our books then we would all be after him after the season he's had and we would all be desperate for him to sign. Ok, so tell me why not one big club has come in for him then if he's so great? I'll tell you if you want. It's because he isn't CONSISTENT.
At the start of your post you said I'm supposed to defend him. I want Liverpool to win titles. I want Liverpool to win European cups. For that to happen we have to be the best and there is very small margin for error. I don't believe dejan Lovren is good enough for those type of standards. I believe, well I don't just believe i F***ing know, that he has mistakes in him and that he can be a liability. I simply don't trust him.
Look at the premiership winning teams of the past and be honest with yourself. Is dejan Lovren getting in those sides? No he isn't. Nowhere near them.
It has been forgotten amongst us what it takes to win the league now and we've accepted so much mediocrity at Liverpool. So many average players over the years who our fans big up like they're world class.
I have this conversation with my mates down the pub all the time. The example I always use is John Arne Riise. If you asked the average Liverpool fan what they thought of him they would say he was boss. That he's a legend. He wasn't boss at all. He was a very average full back who scored some absolute belters during his time and it basically conned people into thinking he was this world class left back.
As a season ticket holder I only remember too well the amount of times he was out of position and the way he got torn inside out all the time by wingers. He wasn't consistent enough either, nowhere near consistent enough, but you still get so many reds who will tell you what a fantastic player he was.
Look at the best left backs who have ever played in the premier league. Nobody outside of Liverpool would ever mention John Arne riise's name in that conversation. It will be Cole, evra and even Baines. And that's the standard. That's the level required and that's what I keep repeating myself on.
If you asked the same question now who's the best cb in the league, again, dejan Lovren will never come up in that conversation but you still get reds bragging he's this boss defender.
Dejan Lovren would not get a game for any of our rivals. He will not be remembered as a great centre half when he retires either. He might have reached two finals this seeson but it's not F***ing dejan Lovren fc. He's playing for two bloody good teams here. One has the best club attack in Europe and the other has the best international midfied in Europe too.
In my opinion his level is around 6th. On his day, very good. But 'his day' doesn't happen anywhere near enough. None of the big boys would touch him with a barge pole because he can't be trusted to peform every week.