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      yacster
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      Potential solutions
      Nov 08, 2014 07:35:31 pm
      Given our recent form will the following simple remedies improve us or do we need bigger root and branch type interventions?

      1. Sturridge returning
      2. Flanagan and Sakho returning
      3. Fringe players like Lucas borini and toure starting
      4. A new striker and/or keeper in January

      Or do we need a new defensive coach, director of football..etc?


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      Reply #1: Nov 08, 2014 07:45:49 pm
      Given our recent form will the following simple remedies improve us or do we need bigger root and branch type interventions?
      #1: A time machine to take Club/Moores/Parry back to time before carpetbaggers. Failing that...

      #2: A transfer policy which allows us to "overpay" [fees & wages] for proven top quality players.  >:D


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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #2: Nov 08, 2014 07:47:44 pm
      Given our recent form will the following simple remedies improve us or do we need bigger root and branch type interventions?

      1. Sturridge returning
      2. Flanagan and Sakho returning
      3. Fringe players like Lucas borini and toure starting
      4. A new striker and/or keeper in January

      Or do we need a new defensive coach, director of football..etc?




      £100mill spent in the summer and we are having to grasp at straws for potential solutions to a miserable season so far before we are even half way through it. Good grief.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #3: Nov 08, 2014 07:48:01 pm
      I'm going to break rank.

      Rafa Benitez, we suffer till this very day from the void his leadership left.

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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #4: Nov 08, 2014 07:56:42 pm
      Obviously need to sign one or two genuine class players, rather than good to average, look how well Southampton are doing, after selling quite a few of their players. Problem is how to attracted, genuine class players in January when we could well be out of the Champions' League. Somehow suggests that the  club have missed the boat, with such mediocre Summer signings.
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      Reply #5: Nov 08, 2014 07:58:53 pm
      Unfortunately, to get back to challenging for the league, we probably need to spend another 120 mil or so on:

      A world-class striker
      A world-class central midfielder
      A world-class centre-half
      A quality right back
      A quality goalkeeper
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #6: Nov 08, 2014 08:03:29 pm
      i say it again , de boer or klopp
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #7: Nov 08, 2014 08:05:41 pm
      Given our recent form will the following simple remedies improve us or do we need bigger root and branch type interventions?

      1. Sturridge returning
      2. Flanagan and Sakho returning
      3. Fringe players like Lucas borini and toure starting
      4. A new striker and/or keeper in January

      Or do we need a new defensive coach, director of football..etc?

      1. Without doubt!
      2. Would love to see Flanno back, but as a Right back. I think his distribution and tackling are exceptional, but he's weak at 1v1s.
      3. Lucas and Toure for sure! Sakho & Toure partnership might be interesting.
      4. Still think we need a creative forward rather than a #9. I think we'll be ok until Origi comes in the summer. As for GK, I would personally like to see us buy a new #1 (Begovic).
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #8: Nov 08, 2014 08:06:11 pm
      Which one; Jürgen or his brother Kilppity?
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #9: Nov 08, 2014 08:08:09 pm
      First and foremost, I feel for our owners. They entrusted Brendan Rodgers and the Committee with a substantial amount of cash over the past three years and you could argue that £20m of the £205m spent has been money well spent! You could argue that we may be less generous with our wage structure but its something that has to be taken into consideration when we were absent from the CL and the introduction of FFP - its not Football Manager but real life.

      Anyways, onto the football side of things.

      We do need a couple new faces in January despite spending over £100m over the summer on transfer which have failed miserably. Our primary objective should be to bring in a striker and secondly, a midfielder who can actually bring some presence into our midfield. However, before that we have to make do with what we have got and that means making some extremely tough decisions to wield results. I would try and play this team (should the players be available)...


      Mignolet

      Manquillo - Skrtel - Sakho - Moreno

      Lucas

      Henderson - Can

      Lallana

      Sterling - Sturridge

      Subs: Jones, Flanagan, Toure, Gerrard, Allen, Coutinho, Borini

      Despite spending heavily on the likes of Lovren, Lallana, Markovic and Balotelli, I believe we need to make some bold decisions and play the best 11 available. Players like Glen Johnson and Steven Gerrard need to make way for better players and understand that the team comes before individuals. Gerrard should not be starting matches week in-week out but should act as an option off the bench and perhaps start matches alongside either Can or Henderson (and not in the defensive midfield position he finds himself). It simply does not work when you do not have an outlet like Luis Suarez and when we are so shocking defensively anyway. Lucas Leiva needs to be playing the role as he is our best option at the moment.

      So onto January. A striker is a must. Should that mean selling players to raise funds, then so be it. Glen Johnson, Joe Allen, Fabio Borini, Rickie Lambert and fringe players should be sold to allow a mobile striker such as Alexandre Lacazette or Wissam Ben Yedder to be brought in. Other options could be the most costly Jackson Martinez. All three players will suit our system and should score goals. Onto midfield and we should be looking at Morgan Schneiderlin, Yohan Cabaye or even William Carvalho. All three would get into our first team and improve fluidity as well as provide impetus further forward.

      Other problems exist of course. Dejan Lovren has proved to be a shocking signing as has Lazar Markovic, Mario Balotelli and Rickie Lambert (£60m). Its rather shocking considering we have let Daniel Agger move on along with loaning out Jordon Ibe and Joao Texeira and simply refusing to allow Suso any game play (all four players could have provided the squad depth BR craved so much last summer). These problems need to be resolved next year though along with bringing in a quality goalkeeper.

      For now, we need to play our strongest team as much as possible. Big name players need to be dropped, tactics need to be spot on and substitutions need to be made reactive rather than wait until the opposition equalise or take the lead. Its going to be a hard, long slog of a season but we seriously need to finish as high in the table as possible.

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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #10: Nov 08, 2014 08:11:40 pm
      Which one; Jürgen or his brother Kilppity?


      Ah Klippity, one of those coaches that's clearly identifiable with a set rhythm to their play and ability to go through the gears. You'd have no doubt if you signed Klippity, he'd bring Trot and Gallop in with him, a formidable back room staff hay? :D
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #11: Nov 08, 2014 08:13:30 pm
      I'm going to break rank.

      Rafa Benitez, we suffer till this very day from the void his leadership left.



      Fair play mate. Obviously I don't agree with you but at least someone has been honest enough to admit what is the obvious subtext of most of the posts regarding the gaffer recently.

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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #12: Nov 08, 2014 08:19:00 pm
      Potential Solutions:

      1) Change the personnel, stop picking the same damn XI
      2) Stop, for the love of god, stop playing Balotelli as a lone striker
      3) Same as above really but stop with the 4-5-1 it isn't suiting us at all
      4) Bring in Carragher as assistant manager / defensive coach
      5) Dare to drop Gerrard rather than rest him
      6) Dare to drop Johnson
      7) Dare to drop Lovren
      8) Get some intensity to our pressing
      9) Dare to scream at the lads from the sidelines instead of looking relatively content at us playing sh*t all year
      10) Buy someone worthy of the shirt to play up top in January
      11) Wrap Sturridge in cotton wool and scream every time any opposition breaths on him

      They'd be, not in that particular order, my to do list.

      Oh and make every c**t, including Gerrard, stay and work on their duties during the international break.
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      Reply #13: Nov 08, 2014 08:22:30 pm
      Oh and make every c**t, including Gerrard, stay and work on their duties during the international break.


      Off topic but I thought I heard them say during the commentary the Jose managed to prevent Spain from using Costa during the international break. Why the F**k can't we do that?

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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #14: Nov 08, 2014 08:25:02 pm
      Potential Solutions:

      They'd be, not in that particular order, my to do list.

      Oh and make every c**t, including Gerrard, stay and work on their duties during the international break
      .

      This.

      It's a bloody cheek and a right middle finger to the fans when you see their twitter pages lapping up some sun on a beach during international breaks when we are this sh*t. They should be running through f**king walls at the moment.

      They are f**king footballers earning a fortune to do a job which nobody is doing at the moment.
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      Reply #15: Nov 08, 2014 08:26:15 pm
      Drop Stevie from DM or quarterback whatever you call it. It is causing disarray.
      He's not Pirlo, he is more gifted but no where near as tactical nor is our team.
      It is time for him to play less and further forward. He is my favourite liverpool player but emotion has to be put aside.
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      Reply #16: Nov 08, 2014 08:26:22 pm
      First and foremost, I feel for our owners.

      Really? Have a look at Henry's twitter account, have a look at all the LFC tweets he has made.

      How many times have they been to the match? Have they been this season? I don't know if they have actually been this season.

      Not being funny, but I could not give a F**k about the multimillionaires that own LFC.

      We spent big this summer as we always do on multiple promising prospects. We need to spend huge on proven world class players like Chelsea, City and FFS even United do every year on just a few players.

      Until that happens we will remain in the wilderness.
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      Reply #17: Nov 08, 2014 08:43:57 pm
      There is no way that Rodgers won't be given the full season. He worked miracles last year and lost his best player. In addition his second best player has hardly played. I am a massive Rafa fan but excellent cup runs aside he hasn't done enough since he left us in league competitions to warrant a risky return. I think that Sturridge and Flanagan would really help. However my concern is that we are already so far behind Chelsea when we finished ahead of them last year, and now 11 points behind Southampton. Given that Arsenal and City are Top 4 certainties most of the time , even our best 11 fit for the rest of the season may not be enough.

      Perhaps our best 11 plus bench from January might look like this
      Cech (they might sell if they don't consider us a genuine force)
      Flanagan Toure Sakho Moreno (unlikely as Brendan isn't a huge Sakho fan)
      Lucas Can (unlikely as Brendan doesn't rate Lucas)
      Sterling Henderson Coutinho
      Sturridge

      Subs Mignolet/Jones, Gerrard, Lallana, Manquilo, Lovren, Balotelli/new striker, Markovic

      Allen and Can be interchangeable. Origi and Ilori coming back next year will be most welcome. Lambert was a cheap gamble that hasn't worked out. Brendan has a decision to make about balotelli and perhaps an impact sub and occasional diamond formations might stop him becoming a toxic presence or perhaps he ll need to sell him. I am not as convinced about Borini's work rate being enough as everyone else is. Given Sturridge's fragility a new striker in exchange for Borini or Balotelli may be difficult to avoid.

      I am not convinced that Mignolet, Skrtel and Johnson have any further role to play for us. However given that our defenders play well for their countries a defensive coach could also potentially be a useful addition as they are all capable of performing better



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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #18: Nov 08, 2014 09:02:54 pm
      it's at times like these I find solice listening to this man and his faith,raw honesty and beliefs..
      www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qGwRK18iGW4

      As for a potential solution I really don't know..
      The overnight sensation would be a massive splash out on a proven goalscorer..The owners/management are just gonna have to break the bank to get someone in on 1st January 2015 who seriously can get us back to winning ways because I don't see anyone at our club who is capable of putting the ball into the goal right now..
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #19: Nov 08, 2014 09:17:49 pm
      Looks like our only hope is the return of Danny and if BR can see sense Sakho.
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      Reply #20: Nov 08, 2014 09:32:44 pm
      My first solution would be to get either Toure or Sakho into the team ASAP, or even both. They are the best headers of the ball we have in the squad, and it's crucial that we stop leaking chances and goals from set pieces. Equally, I would encourage both to be unfearful about putting their foot through it if in doubt or if pressured. It's about time we became significantly more uncimpromising throughout the whole team.

      I'd start Emre Can off on a treadmill for a few hours a day to get him fit. He looks like a good player but looks like he's on 20 a day. From there I'd get him to play in front of the back four. He's got a lot to learn but while he's learning he'll add some much needed solidity and power to our team. Alongside him I'd play Gerrard, and give the captain a free role. Lets take the shackles off our most creative player and set him loose. Once again, brings a bit of hieght and power to the equation, we lack both.

      In the short term I'd play Sterling in the 10 off Balotelli until Sturridge gets fit, then I'd play Sterling off the England man. I'd personally have the wide positions as my rotators, with a preference being for lallana left and Coutinho right. Henderson IMHO needs to be on the bench for a bit, and I'd play a fairly basic 4-4-1-1. I don't think we'll score loads, but Gerrard being free means we'll score more than we are now. We shouldn't though concede anywhere near so many.

      In January I'd buy Berahino or Bony.
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      Reply #21: Nov 08, 2014 09:39:43 pm
      Would we be happy if an Arab consortium or a Russian Tycoon came in for a total buyout?.. and injected a stupid amount of money into our transfer budget to deliver us that Premier League Holy Grail...and give us a lot more chance in todays Champions League battle.
      or is that too far fetched to consider?
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      Reply #22: Nov 08, 2014 10:05:34 pm
      A simple start to solving our problems would be if the manger woke up and realised his 'first team' has been sh*te virtually all season long and stopped being so loyal and drop them and pick players in form.

      I say this without having seen the game today but judging by the comments on here it was the same old sh*te from the same old faces.
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      Reply #23: Nov 08, 2014 10:12:01 pm
      Would we be happy if an Arab consortium or a Russian Tycoon came in for a total buyout?.. and injected a stupid amount of money into our transfer budget to deliver us that Premier League Holy Grail...and give us a lot more chance in todays Champions League battle.
      or is that too far fetched to consider?

      Surely those days are over due to FFP? :p
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      Reply #24: Nov 08, 2014 10:45:27 pm
      I'm going to break rank.

      Rafa Benitez, we suffer till this very day from the void his leadership left.



      2nd last season and nearly won it. Came closer than Rafa did.
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      Reply #25: Nov 08, 2014 10:48:02 pm
      Simple solution get an intelligent manager who is capable of spotting what doesn't work and isn't so pathetically insecure as a human being that he can't fix them.
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      Reply #26: Nov 08, 2014 10:48:06 pm
      2nd last season and nearly won it. Came closer than Rafa did.

      Pretty sure Rafa finshed second as well.

      Put a couple of trophies in the cabinet while he was at it as well.

      Not a call for Rafa to come back just pointing out a few facts.
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      Reply #27: Nov 08, 2014 10:49:44 pm
      Pretty sure Rafa finshed second as well.

      Put a couple of trophies in the cabinet while he was at it as well.

      Not a call for Rafa to come back just pointing out a few facts.

      Yea, and 2nd last season ain't a void.
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      Reply #28: Nov 08, 2014 10:50:35 pm
      Yea, and 2nd last season ain't a void.

      Time will tell.

      All I'm saying is that Brendan hasn't come closer than Rafa did as you posted above.
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      Reply #29: Nov 08, 2014 10:57:15 pm
      Time will tell.

      All I'm saying is that Brendan hasn't come closer than Rafa did as you posted above.

      Both came 2nd sure.
      But we almost touched it last year, playing great football - we let it slip.  Don't think Rafa got that close (though both finished 2nd). Just imo.

      Anyway, don't want to get into the Rafa debate tonight mate ... BR is still in the seat, and don't think he's going anywhere soon.
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      Reply #30: Nov 09, 2014 12:02:31 am
      Unfortunately, to get back to challenging for the league, we probably need to spend another 120 mil or so on:

      A world-class striker
      A world-class central midfielder
      A world-class centre-half
      A quality right back
      A quality goalkeeper

      In an ideal world, this. At the very least, a proven striker/goal scorer.
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      Reply #31: Nov 09, 2014 12:16:22 am
      Both came 2nd sure.
      But we almost touched it last year, playing great football - we let it slip.  Don't think Rafa got that close (though both finished 2nd). Just imo.

      Anyway, don't want to get into the Rafa debate tonight mate ... BR is still in the seat, and don't think he's going anywhere soon.

      86 point plus 50 goal diff and just 2 defeats.
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      Reply #32: Nov 09, 2014 01:01:42 am
      86 point plus 50 goal diff and just 2 defeats.

      Whilst competing in the Champions League too! What was it, Semi Finals? Yet we can't seem to manage Ludogorets followed by West Ham.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #33: Nov 09, 2014 01:35:01 am
      Does no one else think that just maybe we are playing Steven Gerrard, in a position where he cannot impact on our performance? When, last season did he ever make playing in front of the CB's his position?

      I would much rather see him being played to his strengths even if it meant playing for 60/70 minutes. He scored 13 league goals last season which speaks volumes to me. He hasn't aged over night, so why is he not playing to his strengths? It worked for Giggs, Phillips and Sheringham.
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      Reply #34: Nov 09, 2014 02:27:09 am
      Quote from bmck
      Both came 2nd sure.
      But we almost touched it last year, playing great football - we let it slip.  Don't think Rafa got that close (though both finished 2nd). Just imo.

      Anyway, don't want to get into the Rafa debate tonight mate ... BR is still in the seat, and don't think he's going anywhere soon.

      There is a difference in fairness.

      One got second place with Reina, Arbeloa, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, and Gerrard in his prime to call upon, with world class players in every position.

      The other only got second place with Toure, Allen, Aspas, Gerrard in a holding role, his main forward missing the early part of the season, no transfer budget, a wafer thin squad, and still took the title race to the last day of the season.

      I think I know which coach's second place finish was better.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #35: Nov 09, 2014 03:25:05 am
      Given our recent form will the following simple remedies improve us or do we need bigger root and branch type interventions?

      1. Sturridge returning
      2. Flanagan and Sakho returning
      3. Fringe players like Lucas borini and toure starting
      4. A new striker and/or keeper in January

      Or do we need a new defensive coach, director of football..etc?

      I think all those would help mate. Throw in the sports psychologist bloke to help bring individuals' confidence back as well.

      On the notion of Sturridge returning, I hope we don't pin all our team's burden upon him, it should always be a collective effort. If by having him in the team others' confidence goes up the great! We need someone who can come in and lift the spirits never mind the genral play. I just hope Rodgers doesn't try and play Sturridge as a lone striker as he has done with Balotelli.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #36: Nov 09, 2014 05:55:45 am
      There is a difference in fairness.

      One got second place with Reina, Arbeloa, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, and Gerrard in his prime to call upon, with world class players in every position.

      The other only got second place with Toure, Allen, Aspas, Gerrard in a holding role, his main forward missing the early part of the season, no transfer budget, a wafer thin squad, and still took the title race to the last day of the season.

      I think I know which coach's second place finish was better.

      That's reverse engineering. Rafa bought mascherano, Alonso, Arbeloa and Torres and for pretty much f.a. And played gerrard in a position that suits. I also support BR but don't let facts get in the way
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #37: Nov 09, 2014 06:23:33 am
      There is a difference in fairness.

      One got second place with Reina, Arbeloa, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, and Gerrard in his prime to call upon, with world class players in every position.

      The other only got second place with Toure, Allen, Aspas, Gerrard in a holding role, his main forward missing the early part of the season, no transfer budget, a wafer thin squad, and still took the title race to the last day of the season.

      I think I know which coach's second place finish was better.
      Those were the players he himself bought.And the likes of Allen ,Toure were bought by BR himself. You got a thing against our club legend don't you.Everytime you post,it is anti Rafa.I mean getting that 2nd spot under Hicks and Gillet would tell you the real strength of the former man.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #38: Nov 09, 2014 06:56:26 am
      it's at times like these I find solice listening to this man and his faith,raw honesty and beliefs..
      www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qGwRK18iGW4

      As for a potential solution I really don't know..
      The overnight sensation would be a massive splash out on a proven goalscorer..The owners/management are just gonna have to break the bank to get someone in on 1st January 2015 who seriously can get us back to winning ways because I don't see anyone at our club who is capable of putting the ball into the goal right now..

      Love listening to him, he was so wise and down to earth, before my time but when I first heard his attitude towards football, Liverpool and life I understood how we became a special club.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #39: Nov 09, 2014 07:08:10 am
      There is a difference in fairness.

      One got second place with Reina, Arbeloa, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, and Gerrard in his prime to call upon, with world class players in every position.

      The other only got second place with Toure, Allen, Aspas, Gerrard in a holding role, his main forward missing the early part of the season, no transfer budget, a wafer thin squad, and still took the title race to the last day of the season.

      I think I know which coach's second place finish was better.

      Oh can I play this game too? Brendan had Coutinho and Sterling and Suarez and Sturridge and Gerrard in a holding role (who still scored 13 goals Masch and Alonso didn't do that) whilst Rafa had N'gog, Plessis, Dossena and Babel. But we still got more points in the league that season WHILST having Champions League football (where we beat Real Madrid 5-0 on aggregate). We also finished that season with 20 league clean sheets with a keeper who cost Rafa £6M whereas we finished last year with only 10 clean sheets in the league with a keeper who cost Brendan £9M.

      But hey facts don't matter when you have an agenda do they?

      But since is the potential solutions thread I'd start by bringing in a holding midfielder in Jan. (Henderson and Can are both wasted in that role and are much happier with the ball than without it) A Schneiderlin, Gustavo or Gonalons would do nicely. And making sure that either one of Skrtel or Lovren plays but not the both of them I've never seen a defensive partnership with this little cohesion and understanding in my entire life.

      And Brendan should either bring in a Carra or a Clarke or someone like that and have the boys do double sessions in training with one session dedicated to whatever the F**k they're doing now and the other session dedicated to the dull, boring defensive work like positioning, covering  for each other, work on set pieces both defensively and offensively you know the type of stuff that builds trust and confidence amongst your defenders instead of Lovren and Skrtel going into business for themselves because they don't know or trust what the other guy is doing. If Balotelli or Borini or Lambert don't start finding the old onion bag soon we may have to bring in another striker maybe Berahino. Who'll probably cost £35M or something seeing as how he ticks all of the Carroll boxes. English. Check. Young and is another "one for the future". Check.  Had a productive half a Premier League season. Check. Recently called up to the England national side. Check. A January signing so prices are inflated. Check.

      I can't believe I'm sitting here talking about signing another striker in January following a summer where we spent £30M on strikers.
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      Reply #40: Nov 09, 2014 09:35:53 am
      Every player needs to be looked at. None of them have been up to scratch this season. So the team should be based on players who are hungry, fit and determined to play well.

      Playing one up front has been a disaster from day 1. Even when Sturridge played up front on the first day against Southampton, we were poor.

      We need two strikers; even if it was bloody Lambert and Ballotelli.
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      Reply #41: Nov 09, 2014 10:47:17 am
      Unfortunately, to get back to challenging for the league, we probably need to spend another 120 mil or so on:

      A world-class striker
      A world-class central midfielder
      A world-class centre-half
      A quality right back
      A quality goalkeeper

      and a world class manager.
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      Reply #42: Nov 09, 2014 01:39:05 pm
      There is a difference in fairness.

      One got second place with Reina, Arbeloa, Alonso, Mascherano, Torres, and Gerrard in his prime to call upon, with world class players in every position.

      The other only got second place with Toure, Allen, Aspas, Gerrard in a holding role, his main forward missing the early part of the season, no transfer budget, a wafer thin squad, and still took the title race to the last day of the season.

      I think I know which coach's second place finish was better.

      Do you get a message on your phone every time the word "Rafa" is posted on the forum?
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      Reply #43: Nov 09, 2014 01:46:21 pm

      problem is if we have to recruit a World class manager he will want to have world class players.
      that's why I say we have to stick with Brendan and find a way to make it work because with FSG we are trying for world domination on the cheap.
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      Reply #44: Nov 09, 2014 01:47:59 pm
      Do you get a message on your phone every time the word "Rafa" is posted on the forum?

      Love Rafa should never have gone but he has and he will not  be coming back.I only refer to him when I think his legacy has been tarnished on here but we will not see the man back in the home dugout ever again.
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      Reply #45: Nov 09, 2014 02:24:57 pm
      problem is if we have to recruit a World class manager he will want to have world class players.
      that's why I say we have to stick with Brendan and find a way to make it work because with FSG we are trying for world domination on the cheap.

      if spending over 200 mil pounds on transfers is cheap, i wonder how the likes of southampton are managing to get 2nd with spending not even a quarter on that on transfers
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      Reply #46: Nov 09, 2014 02:30:58 pm
      86 point plus 50 goal diff and just 2 defeats.

      It was 84 points I believe. But a far more competitive squad for sure.

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      Reply #47: Nov 09, 2014 03:40:52 pm
      Given our recent form will the following simple remedies improve us or do we need bigger root and branch type interventions?

      1. Sturridge returning
      2. Flanagan and Sakho returning
      3. Fringe players like Lucas borini and toure starting
      4. A new striker and/or keeper in January

      I think the return of the top three players you mention are important.  They should all walk into the first team based on the form of the current players.

      I think the formation needs to be changed.  I think Gerrard's current role is futile.  It's not doing the job it is intended to do and he is easily nullified in that position.  Vital that we play two up front - Sturridge and someone to complement him.  Weirdly I think Lambert may actually be the best partner for him at present.

      In the window I think we will have to go out and spend at least £40M on a keeper and more suitable striker to the way we 'used to' play football.
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      Reply #48: Nov 09, 2014 04:02:41 pm
      It's a strange one trying to decide what the solution is as I don't think there's necessarily just one thing that would make the difference.  So as a starting point, if we assume that Brendan will continue to play the game his way or to his philosophy then we need to start with his favoured formation, which is a 433.

      Many people advocate that to "build a title winning squad" you start with the defense, so first we/he needs to decide what "type" of defense we/he wants.  Is it one that sits backs and defends deep, with static fb's, a front footed one with attacking FB's or is it possible to have both?  Some sit and some don't or does this cause confusion?  I'd say he wants the front footed one but we've actually ended up with the "both" version and that's why I think it looks such a mess.

      With that in mind let's look at who our defenders are, I'm going to include players out on loan throughout the post as they are still our players and may play a part in his future thinking.

      Keepers.

      Migs and Jones are our two main keepers whilst Ward is our u21's keeper. 

      Migs is definitely not a front footed keeper, he likes to hug his goal line, wants his defense to deal with anything over the top and isn't confident enough (although getting better) to come for crosses but he is an excellent shot stopper.  Jones is kind of a bit of both but not very good at either and really isn't good enough to be challenging for the top spot.  Ward is very hit and miss and although he's still very young (21) for a keeper, he's never going to be a Pepe or Courtois.  If anything our u18's keeper Fulton is already better than both Jones and Ward but at 18 he can't begin to start challenging just yet.

      None of the senior keepers fit, so a new keeper is paramount.

      Right Backs/Right Centre Backs.

      Johnson fits as an attacking FB but isn't good enough at anything and will be gone in the summer when his contracts up.

      Flanno is better defensively but as yet still needs to develop his attacking side at this level, although he is capable as shown from his days at u21's.  Can play both right and left FB equally well but I'm not expecting him to feature too much this season unless he makes a remarkable recovery from his surgery to get back into last seasons form.

      Manquillo gets up and down the line well enough and is a solid defender similar to Flanno but his attacking threat isn't quite there yet.  We've no idea if he's part of our future plans as he's only a loanee but we'll know in the summer.

      Wisdom is a difficult one to judge.  He's secured a starting place at West Brom at RB, another solid defender who needs to develop his attacking threat if he's to remain as a FB or he'll need more time to develop at CB. He's only going to do this on loan though and I doubt whether another Club would risk that when he has literally no experience as a CB at senior level.  From his time at the Academy I'd say he's a deep sitting CB.

      Ilori is primarily a RCB but can play anywhere across the defense.  He's definitely a front footed defender, always looking to win the ball high up the pitch but also has the speed to get back if he mistimes his tackle/interception.  He's also a fantastic header of the ball, something we're sadly missing.

      Skrtel is a deep defender of the worst kind for me.  Not only does he sit deep he also backs off to the point of having to make last ditch blocks in the 6yrd box.

      Toure due to his age tends to sit back more but can play on the front foot as shown at Real.  Another who'll be gone in the summer.

      Seb Coates seemed to have improved a bit in pre season but has barely featured at a struggling Sunderland, so is not really an answer to our problems, unless he's been injured?

      So will we see a completely new right side to our defense next season with Glen and Toure definitely gone and Skrtel seemingly not fitting Brendans preferred system?  It'll be a very young and inexperienced defense but probably a very dynamic and attacking one with Flanno, Wisdom, Ilori and possibly Manquillo.  I reckon we're sorted there but here's a thought to add some experience, Stevie at RCB, if he stays?

      Left Backs/Left Centre Backs.

      In Moreno we have a great player already and an even better one in the making.  He fits us perfectly and with Flanno and, at a push, Ilori able to cover this side we're sorted.  There is also Brad Smith who is similar to Moreno but two years younger, he's recently been brought back from his loan at Swindon due to his reluctance to sign a contract extension so I'm guessing he's in our future plans.

      Oh dear what to say about Lovren.  He seemed like he should have been a perfect fit for us, a front footed CB who is also a good organiser??  Is he confused because of the mix of CB's, is struggling with how Brendan wants him to play or is he just not that good?  So many question marks.

      Sakho was another bright prospect who should fit how Brendan wants to play.  An aggressive, front footed CB who, as Captain of France at a very young age, we all thought was the leader we needed.  His form for France since he joined us is like watching a different player, would he be better say with Ilori next to him who is similar to Varane or does he look so good due to having Matuidi and Pogba in front of him?  For whatever reason he's out of form, out of favour and doesn't have a good injury record.

      Do we get rid of both our LCB's and start again or give either one or both more time?  As most have identified our defensive problems are either a coaching or orgisation issue is it really necessary to throw more money at it?  Personally I'd stick with what we have, play the players who fit the system and stick to them, barring injuries.

      Midfield.

      As pointed out above with Sakho and something constantly mentioned on these boards, the midfield doesn't give the defense enough protection.  Whether we think it's correct or not, Brendan will not play with a pure DM. 

      None of our youth teams do, so they are being coached in how Brendan wants his midfield 3 to play which is all of them interchanging positions throughout the game.  They are all quick, technically excellent players, who use both feet, are good in tight spaces, can tackle, track back, press aggressively, are organised and can pass long or short, on the deck or over the top, to feet or into space.  They also aren't shy about trying to score goals.  They work damned hard for each other and the team.  Of course they have their preferred positions but they don't stay in them throughout a game, they are all CM's.  Compare that to who we have at senior level and instantly you see the problems.

      Stevie, stays put most of the time, isn't mobile, isn't particularly organised, rarely uses both feet even though he can, needs space and time to be effective, can't shoot like he used to do, doesn't press agressivley but his passing, set piece delivery and penalties make up for his deficiencies??

      Lucas doesn't have his passing range (who does?) but isn't crap by any means, is organised, reads the game well but doesn't really press, isn't quick and doesn't use both feet.

      Hendo isn't exactly mobile but has an engine on him most would kill for.  He presses aggressively, tracks back, can pass but rarely takes a risk, doesn't interchange much, rarely gets in the box and rarely scores.  I don't think he's especially organised or a good reader of the game, tackles half heartedly, rarely uses his left foot and isn't particularly good in tight spaces.

      Allen is probably the closest we have to how the kids play but a diluted and lightweight version of it.  He also rarely gets into scoring opportunities and generally fluffs it when he does.

      Can looks like he could develop into the right type of player but he's still learning what's expected of him.  He's one who'll probably improve more and quicker with others around him who play the same way.

      Coutinho is developing nicely, he's still inconsistant but he is still very young and one thing that happens with young players is they will have peaks and troughs of form.  His overall game has improved and his game intelligence is showing more this season. 

      Suso is a fantastic young player but I just don't see him becoming the type of player Brendan wants.  He has a lot of the attributes but I fear not enough of them, he's not aggressive enough and not mobile enough.  He's not a "terrior type" player he's a silky, smooth operator who needs time and space to work his magic but who knows he might do a Borini and decide he's got a chance by staying with us.

      Texeira I've not seen much of this season but I believe he's doing alright at Brighton, at least he's playing when available.  Is he a Brendan type of midfielder, I'd say so, probably more than Suso.  He's got the work rate and aggression but without seeing him play recently I don't know if he's developed the tracking back or organisation side.

      Lallana does everything a Brendan type midfielder should do, so I don't understand why he's not starting more games.  Maybe he sees him more as one of the front 3 than the midfield 3.  **see attackers**
       
      Alberto isn't really a midfielder as he's played most of his successful youth career as a false 9 but I  doubt we'll see him back at Melwood, although stranger things have happened.

      All in all we need a couple of disciplined, organised, strong CM's that have the qualities we're lacking in Stevie, Lucas, Allen and Hendo.  They don't need to be WC, just have more of the CM attributes Brendan wants.

      Attackers.

      We've kinda got it all wrong up top but we haven't been helped by Danny's injuries.  Again Brendan wants to play with an attacking 3 with a central or main man like Danny. 

      I guess he sees Origi as his natural stand in but at just 19yrs of age is it expecting too much to expect him to come in and get goals in his absense?  I've not seen him play for Lille but I understand he's playing out wide so maybe that's the plan for next season.

      Borini fits how Brendan wants his attackers to play he just doesn't score and until he starts doing so he'll never be good enough for us.  He'll be gone in the summer.

      Lambert was always only ever going to be a plan B, he's a different option when our regular game plan isn't working.  Will he push for a move elsewhere in the summer or is he happy to remain a Liverpool player, then retire?

      Mario, oh Mario, what do we do with a problem like Mario?  Weirdly I want him to stay as believe it or not I can see how much he's developing his game, how hard he's working and I can see him bursting into life when Danny's back.  Is he an answer to our problems or a problem in himself, think we'll have to wait and see.

      Little Raheem seems a bit confused this season.  It appears that Brendan sees him as one of the attacking 3, rather than an AM but I'm not sure it's working.  Maybe he sees it as the only way to get him in the team, maybe it's a general drop in form, due to his age and lack of rest during the summer, maybe he'll look better once Danny's back or maybe he'll take him out of the limelight completely.  One things for sure, we need him back to his last season performances as soon as possible, for his sake and ours.

      Markovic has taken a lot of stick since he arrived, mainly due to his price as you would assume he'd be ready to take the PL by storm for £20m.  Strangely at 18yrs old, he was ranked higher than Raheem as the No.1 in the top 20 young talents in world football, hence why he had that high a release clause in his contract.  It is way too soon to be writing him off and I'm sure we'll all be very happy we've got him in a couple of years.

      **Lallana I've added to the attackers as it seems this is how Brendan sees him.  I still don't understand why he's not getting more starts though I think he'll be fine when we get our act together.

      Ibe is still too inconsistant even at Championship level to know how well he'll develop.  I know some thought he'd be better than Raheem when he had his blip last season but it's still too soon to say.  If he can improve enough this season to keep his starting place and become a mainstay with Derby during their promotion push then he could come back and play his part.  As it's going now though, he probably needs another year or two on loan.

      I've seen a few having concerns that we're expecting too much of Danny when he returns but from a confidence point of view I think it'll lift the whole team.  He's big enough, bad enough and tough enough to keep his sh*t together and I have no doubt he'll be back to his devastating best straight away.  With Borini gone and a natural stand in for Danny I think there's enough goals in the players we'll have if we can sort the midfield out and get the ball to them quickly enough.

      Sorry for such a long ramble guys, I hadn't intended it being so long winded but it's my take on who does and doesn't fit with how Brendan wants us playing and how things will change over the next 12 months or so.

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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #49: Nov 09, 2014 06:40:37 pm
      Coates is injured. Sahko gives me the shits every time I see him. He's a mistake waiting to happen. There was a good point raised in the TAW podcast today about Stevie. When one of our attacking players goes past an opposing deep lying midfielder, it's great play by the attacker. When an opposing attackers goes past Gerrard, it's Gerrard's fault. People are too quick to blame him because, like everyone else in the side, he's only as good as the man next to him and no one covers him this happens.
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      Reply #50: Nov 09, 2014 11:02:18 pm
      Its easy for me:  Drop out of form players and play the ones who will show some F***ing courage while they play. Obviously, we can't drop everyone, but we could start with Lovren, Johnson, Gerrard, and Balotelli. If we extend beyond those 4 then the next one would be hendo. Wouldn't mind seeing us lineup with this next game:  Migs; Manquillo, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno; Lucas, Can; Lallana, Coutinho, Sterling; Studge (Borini if Studge isn't ready to play from the start)
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      Reply #51: Nov 09, 2014 11:05:49 pm
      Seb Coates seemed to have improved a bit in pre season but has barely featured at a struggling Sunderland, so is not really an answer to our problems, unless he's been injured?

      He has been injured. They reckon he's back training this week.
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      Reply #52: Nov 09, 2014 11:09:43 pm
      Coates is injured. Sahko gives me the shits every time I see him. He's a mistake waiting to happen. There was a good point raised in the TAW podcast today about Stevie. When one of our attacking players goes past an opposing deep lying midfielder, it's great play by the attacker. When an opposing attackers goes past Gerrard, it's Gerrard's fault. People are too quick to blame him because, like everyone else in the side, he's only as good as the man next to him and no one covers him this happens.

      Sakho is a mistake waiting to happen what a load of sh*te. He's the first choice French CB keeping out the likes of koscielny from Arsenal.
      I think you may have mistaken him for Skrtel.
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      Reply #53: Nov 09, 2014 11:16:56 pm
      Sakho is a mistake waiting to happen what a load of sh*te. He's the first choice French CB keeping out the likes of koscielny from Arsenal.
      I think you may have mistaken him for Skrtel.

      I thought that about Sakho but if you look at his stats they are quite outstanding in both tackling and passing.
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      Reply #54: Nov 09, 2014 11:19:50 pm
      Its easy for me:  Drop out of form players and play the ones who will show some f**king courage while they play. Obviously, we can't drop everyone, but we could start with Lovren, Johnson, Gerrard, and Balotelli. If we extend beyond those 4 then the next one would be hendo. Wouldn't mind seeing us lineup with this next game:  Migs; Manquillo, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno; Lucas, Can; Lallana, Coutinho, Sterling; Studge (Borini if Studge isn't ready to play from the start)

      We fell for that one on Tuesday then he left out Lucas Toure and Borini the 3 best players on the night so much for picking in form players eh!
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      Reply #55: Nov 10, 2014 12:39:34 am
      I mentioned in the Raheem thread that this team is crying out for anew Souness to galvanise everyone together.
      when Raheem took the elbow to his face we should have been all over Ramirez like a rash.
      Our players need to get nasty.

      This would solve a lot of our problems in my opinion.

      Not only is he a combative and a tenacious player, his passing is very good, has good acceleration, mobile and a tough tackler. He is older and wiser and with more experience. Captain of his side at a young age, I truly believe he would be 10x better than he was when he first broke into the first team.

      Step up Rodgers, buy Jay Spearing please!!! (this is not a joke)
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      Reply #56: Nov 10, 2014 02:03:24 am
      This would solve a lot of our problems in my opinion.

      Not only is he a combative and a tenacious player, his passing is very good, has good acceleration, mobile and a tough tackler. He is older and wiser and with more experience. Captain of his side at a young age, I truly believe he would be 10x better than he was when he first broke into the first team.

      Step up Rodgers, buy Jay Spearing please!!! (this is not a joke)

      Is this supposed to be a joke?
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      Reply #57: Nov 10, 2014 07:21:34 am
      This would solve a lot of our problems in my opinion.

      Not only is he a combative and a tenacious player, his passing is very good, has good acceleration, mobile and a tough tackler. He is older and wiser and with more experience. Captain of his side at a young age, I truly believe he would be 10x better than he was when he first broke into the first team.

      Step up Rodgers, buy Jay Spearing please!!! (this is not a joke)


      As if Fed  wasn't bad enough with Diame but Jay Spearing   :lmao:
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      Reply #58: Nov 10, 2014 08:50:07 am
      That's our saviour Jay F***ing Spearing  :lmao:
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      Reply #59: Nov 10, 2014 09:17:37 am
      This would solve a lot of our problems in my opinion.

      Not only is he a combative and a tenacious player, his passing is very good, has good acceleration, mobile and a tough tackler. He is older and wiser and with more experience. Captain of his side at a young age, I truly believe he would be 10x better than he was when he first broke into the first team.

      Step up Rodgers, buy Jay Spearing please!!! (this is not a joke)

      I met Jay a couple of months back at bromborough he is tiny but he should walk into this team
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      Reply #60: Nov 10, 2014 09:19:43 am
      This would solve a lot of our problems in my opinion.

      Not only is he a combative and a tenacious player, his passing is very good, has good acceleration, mobile and a tough tackler. He is older and wiser and with more experience. Captain of his side at a young age, I truly believe he would be 10x better than he was when he first broke into the first team.

      Step up Rodgers, buy Jay Spearing please!!! (this is not a joke)

      Gas man  :lmao:
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      Reply #61: Nov 10, 2014 09:22:33 am

      the point is Jay Spearing wouldn't look out of place in this team so judge for yourselves the quality of the people that replaced him for a lot of money.would we be any worse with Spearing in the team now I don't think so its a mark of how far we haven't come.
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      Reply #62: Nov 10, 2014 09:58:50 am
      Quite a simple solution IMO. When we identify players that will fit into our system ie Costa, Willian Salah Sanchez Throw the kitchen sink at them make bids that cant be refused make sure we get top players that will solve our problems. Were spending big on 1 season wonders and seem to be paying big on potential. Need to stop blaming Rodgers, had we of bought Costa, Willian or Salah last season we would have won the league IMO. Solution to being bang average would be buy QUALITY! simple really.

      Were getting walked on in the market over relatively small amounts of money. Like Suarez was on top wages here and rightly so, top players want top money. If we can spend wages like that on suarez why not on our top targets? The league seems to be down to very fine margins this season if those key players can win a couple of games for you that can be the difference in 1st or 5th.
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      Reply #63: Nov 10, 2014 10:05:08 am
      solution:

      Frank de Boer.
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      Reply #64: Nov 10, 2014 10:41:08 am
      The formations all wrong for me at the moment and I would call for a change to 4 2 3 1 if BR is that set on using 1 up top. If you look at Chelsea they have Terry and Cahill as their 2 CBs and whatever FBs they use. City have Kompany and either Demichalis or Mangala (Mangala is still learning the EPL cos he's new)and whatever full backs they use. What is common about the top 6 sides really is 2 holding midfeilders and the protection they give their back 4. This what we are lacking At the moment IMO. Personally I would going for Lucas and Can as our holding 2 or Lucas and Hendo but deffo Lucas. I would not be afraid to drop Gerrard just because we would miss his passing range. If you look at the 2 CMs of Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Southamton or West ham and Newcastle, do any of them have the same passing range as Gerrard ? I'd suspect the answer would be NO. What they do well is give their back 4 protection. Our CB pairings are getting slaughtered at the moment. The thing is Lovren is not getting the protection he was getting at Southamton last season. Its all very good paying big money for him but hes being asked to play differently without that protection he got last season and he's being found out. I think Mario would score a lot more if he had someone like Coutinho, Sterling or Lallana behind him. I see Mario dropping deep and to the left all the time in this formation we play at the moment and the thing is we are going to see the same when Danny comes back only Danny will drop deep and to the right. The plus point will be that Danny has the pace to get forward from deeper positions more than Mario has. So for me it would be this :

                                     Migs(cos we have to)

              Manquillo      Skrtel          Lovren          Moreno

                       Lucas/Gerrard            Can/Allen/Hendo

             Hendo/Markovic      Sterling/Coutinho            Lallana/Borini

                                    Mario/Sturridge/Lambert

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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #65: Nov 10, 2014 11:06:04 am
      the point is Jay Spearing wouldn't look out of place in this team so judge for yourselves the quality of the people that replaced him for a lot of money.would we be any worse with Spearing in the team now I don't think so its a mark of how far we haven't come.

      We have a few problems with the team right now. But F**k me Jay Spearing is not the answer!
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #66: Nov 10, 2014 11:14:05 am
      We have a few problems with the team right now. But F**k me Jay Spearing is not the answer!

      I don't think walton is suggesting he is.
      More that we've signed a lot of average players for big transfer fees.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #67: Nov 10, 2014 12:43:45 pm
      I don't think walton is suggesting he is.
      More that we've signed a lot of average players for big transfer fees.

      Spearing is a Championship level player all Rodgers signings are PL level players they are just under performing at present as the system with Balotelli as a lone striker and Stevie as a DM isn't working.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #68: Nov 10, 2014 12:52:41 pm
      I already felt relief when Spearing left. Now I'm getting flashbacks of him using his arm to issue orders, the ball should go there etc, he was a cocky little runt who was totally sh*t and no he isn't from Liverpool, heard him speak?
      Shelvey though: we should of kept here, I am totally backtracking here because I said he was to maverick for an organised team, we aren't a tight unit like that, I thought it was heading that way... it isn't. The team shape/formation is a total mess always.
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      Re: Potential solutions
      Reply #69: Nov 11, 2014 02:05:13 am
      PATIENCE!

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