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      Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy

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      JD
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #23: Apr 27, 2015 12:22:22 pm
      If they were going to be introducing a Director of Football then this should have all been done earlier in the year not as the transfer window swings open.

      The only take home message I get (if the article has any truth) is that this summer transfer strategy is completely up the wall.

      I'm a little bit old school in that I think the manager should always have the final say on who we sign.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #24: Apr 27, 2015 12:43:19 pm
      The more time is spent considering the proposition merely strengthens the conviction that it is yet another ploy masquerading as a part of a jigsaw to achievement.
      The deception is the jigsaw pieces are not compatible in any way. 

      The committee didn't/couldn't work because the reason for it's conception was faulted - it was not instigated specifically to benefit the club.
      It was formed to make a faulted policy appear to be successful, that of course in any time context is a none-starter.

      Now an adaptation is to be given a go it appears, should swallow a bit more time for our ponderous owners.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #25: Apr 27, 2015 12:46:22 pm
      We just need to stop trying to spread the kitty for as many players as we can get and just sign 3 top quality players that are willing to come to us with No CL football but with the desire to fight to get us back in there and keep us in there. we messed up last summer as we had CL football to attract the worlds best and finished 2nd but we spread the cash across loads of avarage players(not one buy is world class) and its come back to bite us in the bum.
      were not a million miles away from a CL spot and that's with an average squad that wouldnt get a game in the top 4 teams so add to that world class or players top 4 teams would want and we can push on
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #26: Apr 27, 2015 01:10:49 pm
      We just need to stop trying to spread the kitty for as many players as we can get and just sign 3 top quality players that are willing to come to us with No CL football but with the desire to fight to get us back in there and keep us in there. we messed up last summer as we had CL football to attract the worlds best and finished 2nd but we spread the cash across loads of avarage players(not one buy is world class) and its come back to bite us in the bum.
      were not a million miles away from a CL spot and that's with an average squad that wouldnt get a game in the top 4 teams so add to that world class or players top 4 teams would want and we can push on

      Very True.

      We need quality Striker or 2, quality MF & quality Fullback. If we can spend big on them, and recoup some money from sales (borini, Lambo & Balo)?, I think all will be happy.

      We should have the money, it's just wether FSG are willing to break thier Nett £30m limit.
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      Reply #27: Apr 27, 2015 01:14:13 pm
      yer its not worked for the past 3 seasons last season was purly because we had two top strikers in form injury free most of the season. we've lost both and didnt replace any of them realy due to trying to get as many players we can for a sell on value rather than buying big players who we would lose money on but would have helped us stay in CL.

      this summer is a test of what FSG want and where they see LFC over the next 5yrs, if we dont buy one big 40mil + player than i think we never will as we need one,two more than ever before we never attract top established players again. CL will slip further and further away.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #28: Apr 27, 2015 01:33:51 pm
      Unless the committe find a few young Jems from somewhere no other club has been too, surprise everybody and win the league.



























      Nah not a hope.



      ;D
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #29: Apr 27, 2015 01:53:35 pm
      I was just wondering what would have been the case if we had spent the loads of money on 2 worlds class players each season and by now we would have 6 since FSG took over the club, good enough to challenge for the EPL, not with a busload of so called potential players or youngsters.

      Transfer Committee, Director of Football, have whatever fancy names it's still the same, they work within the policies set by FSG, buy cheap and buy them young, make sure you develop them and sell them with a hefty profit. Nothing has changed, 3 years on, roll on the fourth just some fancy names put in place just to give us the fans some false hopes.   

      Liverpool fans are disllusioned all over the world, FSG don't believe me, please go to many of the independent facebooks or websites  and see for yourself what they are writing and don;t assume that everything is rosy peachy. They say the same thing they have undying loyalty for the club but not the owners, they are fed up with how the club is being managed and their policies and 3 years passed and they have seen all that. Ever wonder why we play many of the games on a Sunday or Monday, well most probably because the sponsors are buying up the prime time slots for teams above us, that shows your worldwide appeal is eroding FSG.

      So, who are these people still supporting the club??? Most probably they are the diehard fans from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 8os and perhaps some from the 90s. I'm from the 70s and I'd believe there not too many 50s or 60s fans around and it will get lesser in coming years for the 70s fans and 80s fans. We were on the downhill since the 90s and we can't say we have increase the fan base since the 90s. The worldwide fanbase is eroding. Put your ear on the ground FSG, don't ignore that, do something quick and fast track us back to where we belong.

      This year will be the same old drama, put in some fancy name Director of Football, sounds groovy and niche but it means nothing because the policies have not changed, we still have a rookie manager that is living under the shadows of the mourinhos and wengers.  Only a new owner with the financial power and vision can revive this club. Sorry, I'm knee jerking here, but I'm fed up, truly fed up but I'll never support any other club, not in my lifetime.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #30: Apr 27, 2015 02:10:29 pm
      Transfer Committee, Director of Football, have whatever fancy names it's still the same, they work within the policies set by FSG, buy cheap and buy them young, make sure you develop them and sell them with a hefty profit. Nothing has changed, 3 years on, roll on the fourth just some fancy names put in place just to give us the fans some false hopes.   
      That might be the model FSG want to implement (and there's nothing wrong with it fundamentally), but it's failing horribly. Take Chelsea for example. They've got 27 (!!!) players loaned out this season. One of them is Championship POTY (Bamford). He's not going to have a glimmering carreer @ Chelsea, but they're sure going to cash in on him. The same goes for the major part of those loanees.

      You actually CAN make a profit using such a business model and the pensioneers are the perfect example (sure, one can argue that they're killing the careers of youngsters, etc., but to look at it plainly from the financial side of it). LFC is doing it all wrong though.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #31: Apr 27, 2015 02:26:31 pm
      Chelsea can do that simply because they have the dosh, say outlay of 5 mil each for 5 potential players and loan them out and get back the same amount in the next 2 or 3 years. Observe them, if one of them is good enough bring them back and they save a bucket of money. In the meantime, they still have some cash in hand to buy the world class players.

      We are totally different spend 25 mil on 5 so called potential players, play them in the first team or loan them out and hope that they make the grade. Well 25 mil spent, they have taken up almost 100% of the transfer kitty and we have nothing much left to acquire world class players. We need to sell our better players to get another better player in and we'll be forever chasing our own tail. FSG simply does not have the financial muscle to compete.

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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #32: Apr 27, 2015 03:41:10 pm
      funny how everyone gave Poyet a bollocking last season when he said Suarez was the reason we were so high up in the table, and yet this season now that he is gone and we're no longer up there, everyone suddenly says "we were always going to struggle without Suarez...." etc etc.

      Poyet said we'd be a midtable side without Suarez. Which clearly is untrue. 5th is disappointing, but it's hardly midtable.

      Even so, if Sturridge wasn't made out of glass, we'd be in the top 4. People always act like we only lost Suarez. But we lost Sturridge this season too.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #33: Apr 27, 2015 04:23:55 pm
      Poyet said we'd be a midtable side without Suarez. Which clearly is untrue. 5th is disappointing, but it's hardly midtable.

      Even so, if Sturridge wasn't made out of glass, we'd be in the top 4. People always act like we only lost Suarez. But we lost Sturridge this season too.

      And reports I've seen say he's now gone for the rest of the season as well.

      What a wasted year for him.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #34: Apr 27, 2015 04:31:51 pm
      And reports I've seen say he's now gone for the rest of the season as well.

      What a wasted year for him.

      That's probably the best option for him. Find out what the F**k is wrong with him, adjust his training regimen, and come back firing next year.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #35: Apr 27, 2015 04:33:37 pm
      Yip Sturridge being Injured so much has been massive. It put pressure on Balo straight away as well, The plan was probably ease Balo in, cup games etc, then all of a sudden we were relying on mr unreliable. ;D.

      But something could have been done in January, but obv. it was decided wee raheem was doing well enough up top, as we were at the beginning of the 10 match streak.
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      Reply #36: Apr 27, 2015 04:36:09 pm
      I would not count on Sturridge next season either just means we need two top quality strikers.

      Treat Sturridge as a luxury.
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      Reply #37: Apr 27, 2015 04:58:47 pm
      Monchi from Seville being touted as DoF don't know much about him though.

      undoubtedly one of the best with a small wobble a couple of years ago, dani alves, adriano, rakitic, keita, julio baptista and youngsters such as Sergio ramos and Reyes, the current team has excellent signings such as bacca, Vidal, vitolo and the unprouncables with the long names , was linked with Barcelona but didn't want to go so i doubt he's come here, which is a shame
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #38: Apr 27, 2015 05:11:24 pm
      undoubtedly one of the best with a small wobble a couple of years ago, dani alves, adriano, rakitic, keita, julio baptista and youngsters such as Sergio ramos and Reyes, the current team has excellent signings such as bacca, Vidal, vitolo and the unprouncables with the long names , was linked with Barcelona but didn't want to go so i doubt he's come here, which is a shame

      Maybe he wants a challenge away from La Liga mate.
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      Reply #39: Apr 27, 2015 05:21:18 pm
      Maybe he wants a challenge away from La Liga mate.

      you would like to think so, an area where countries like Portugal, Spain, Italy and Germany are better than the uk is access the market in Asia and south America. Tend to think that scouting networks in this country are smaller and simply not as good, they buy cheap and sell on at a big profit which seems to be very appealing these days and it isn't just untried kids but lower leagues or players who've lost their way.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #40: Apr 27, 2015 05:26:09 pm
      you would like to think so, an area where countries like Portugal, Spain, Italy and Germany are better than the uk is access the market in Asia and south America. Tend to think that scouting networks in this country are smaller and simply not as good, they buy cheap and sell on at a big profit which seems to be very appealing these days and it isn't just untried kids but lower leagues or players who've lost their way.

      Let's hope if we do go down the DoF route, we at least try to get the best with the best scouts and contacts in those leagues mate.
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #41: Apr 27, 2015 06:28:57 pm
      Let's hope if we do go down the DoF route, we at least try to get the best with the best scouts and contacts in those leagues mate.

      exactly, the old saying goes 'if you pay peanuts you get monkeys'
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      Reply #42: Apr 27, 2015 06:30:29 pm
      Chelsea can do that simply because they have the dosh, say outlay of 5 mil each for 5 potential players and loan them out and get back the same amount in the next 2 or 3 years. Observe them, if one of them is good enough bring them back and they save a bucket of money. In the meantime, they still have some cash in hand to buy the world class players.

      We are totally different spend 25 mil on 5 so called potential players, play them in the first team or loan them out and hope that they make the grade. Well 25 mil spent, they have taken up almost 100% of the transfer kitty and we have nothing much left to acquire world class players. We need to sell our better players to get another better player in and we'll be forever chasing our own tail. FSG simply does not have the financial muscle to compete.
      Well it would only require a starting investment. If executed properly, it could eventually turn into a self-sustaining machine and we'd be able to fund our first-team upgrades.

      Regarding Monchi, he didn't want to come to Barca early, i.e. before the presidential election, also because of the transfer ban, but the deal is not exactly off the table. Barca still have a strong interest in him.
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      Reply #43: Apr 27, 2015 07:44:12 pm
      Well it would only require a starting investment. If executed properly, it could eventually turn into a self-sustaining machine and we'd be able to fund our first-team upgrades.

      Regarding Monchi, he didn't want to come to Barca early, i.e. before the presidential election, also because of the transfer ban, but the deal is not exactly off the table. Barca still have a strong interest in him.


      depends on what happens in the summer , the current man is the guy who was at ac Milan for years, will still be surprised if he left, not sure joan laporta has got in mind if he comes back
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      Reply #44: Apr 27, 2015 08:44:52 pm
      We need to sell our better players to get another better player in and we'll be forever chasing our own tail. FSG simply does not have the financial muscle to compete.

      They have the muscle, but they don't want to put it into LFC.
      Similar debt levels now on the club as when G&H were there, if you check out the Swiss ramble blog.
      And all these mythical losses were just tax dodges like Hicks 50m pound pictures from his architect mate.

      In other words, they took over a Liverpool that had received some damage, but not gigantic amounts.
      They found 300m to buy us (or in truth, their bankers did), but contrary to the propaganda and pr guff, they never put anything in to fix us.

      Lots of flannel and buzzwords "self sustaining", "we won the World Series", "Financial Fair Play", "leveraging the storied brand", "we saved you from oblivion, proles". They all fed off the fans hope like Dracula feeding on a jugular.

      But beyond all that, what did they provide to fix us? Sweet FA.

      A football club can't fix itself. Certainly not with a rookie like BR. |It might have a good year, then a bad one... or 4.5 in our case. But successful clubs are spending clubs. We did nothing to overtake Man C, Chelsea and Manc U. Our only hope was to leapfrog Arse FC. But when they started buying players like Sanchez, it was clear that wasnt gonna happen. Especially as we sold every big name we had, thanks to the Moneyball (aka selling club) sh*te.

      A club needs a substantial net investment annually just to stand still (players age/lose it thro injury etc) . But often we havent even done that, or even kept player wages consistent.

      Even this new stand (or should I say "corporate tw*t palace) isn't gonna give us an income for SEVEN YEARS. (Thanks again Yanks!) And I suspect they'll be long gone with the cash by then.

      So we never were gonna claw back up. All we had was promises, pr spin and some magic pixie dust from Johnny Henry, Fedexed in from Boston.

      The plants and the parrots will type away with the canned pr slogans. But its just words from them.
      To fix something you need to spend something.

      I couldn't fix a car by spouting crappy catchphrases. And you can't fix a football club by it either.

      Taxi for Fenway.  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Re: Liverpool may ditch transfer committee as they look to change recruitment policy
      Reply #45: Apr 27, 2015 08:50:26 pm
      I would not count on Sturridge next season either just means we need two top quality strikers.

      Treat Sturridge as a luxury.

      Correct. He's not looking quite the bargain he was previously lauded as.
      Gifted player, but no use without the fitness. Danny himself has admitted the family seem to be cursed genetically with muscular injuries.

      I really hope this season was a one off for Studge, but I think its not really likely unfortunately.

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