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      HamannsTheMan
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1932: Jul 22, 2015 01:29:53 pm
      Jesus christ, can you not read what part of:
      "However he did show more pace than Can and the rest of our defence when we played them"

      Is ambiguous to what I was trying to say? Are you taking the piss or just a moron? I mean I literally said the word 'pace' for you and you still ask 'which one pace or out muscle?

      I was giving you the option to rethink. Benteke out pacing defenders? Benteke dribbling past defenders? That is utter rubbish. Shrugging somebody off is not out pacing them or dribbling past them.  I want to see evidence of Benteke smoking Can down the wing or doing a little tricky step over dribbling past him with ease. I'm dying to see it.


      Mate, I'm not waiting hand and foot for you. The footage is there and like I said I'm not going to go out of way to explain, especially since you've shown yourself to be incompetent to look at the things in front of you.

      Instead of spending all this time replying to me, spend five minutes and get a load of footage of Benteke dribbling past and out pacing defenders. Where is all this footage? Show me? Not just a 2 second burst in one game, I want to see footage of Benteke playing in several games where he shows off his pace and dribbling skills like you say hes got.   If you can't show me then stop talking sh*t. The reason you won't 'wait hand on foot' for me is because you know yourself there is very limited footage of Benteke doing those sort of things. FL Red has posted the best videos of him that he can find and he still looks sh*t. He doesn't out pace or dribble past players for fun like you make out one bit.

      So when you get proved wrong you say other posters are incompetent and won't look at things in front of them? No. You're just wrong.  I;m asking you to prove me wrong and you won't. You just reply rambling on about sh*t. You say Benteke is a mobile forward and he isn't. I'm waiting on you to prove me and the forum otherwise. So do it.

      Again you've not read. If he's told to play in the centre I'd be concerned if he started to drift out wide, shows that he doesn't care about where his manager wants him to play. I don't want him out wide either mate, doesn't mean he's not 'mobile' if he's more effective in the centre.

      I'm sure Messi has been told to play in the centre. I'm sure Suarez has. I'm sure Henry has. But they are world class forwards because they involve themselves in the game, create chances for themselves, score all different type of goals, involve their team mates and so on and so forth. I can go on all day.

      Now don't twist my words, which is what you're trying to do, because I'm not comparing Benteke to those type of forwards. Do you want to know why? Because they are MOBILE and Benteke ISN'T.

      Benteke stays in the central positions because he is immobile but you're saying he's on strict orders from his manager? Benteke is good at what he does I'm not arguing against that but I'm not even carrying this debate on now - Benteke is immobile end of discussion and you haven't got a clue if you think otherwise.

      I can't for one second imagine Benteke drifting wide or dropping deep to make some space for himself, or constantly making runs behind the back four for 90 mins, or putting his head down and dribbling with the ball beating 2 or 3 defenders  :lmao:   

      It's not about managers orders, its about his style of play. I can't wait to see the evidence you show me of him doing those things which you said yourself you're so sure there are tons of examples. I'm waiting to see them.

      Do you watch Villa play or something? All I'm saying from what I've seen of Benteke he's been far from immobile. I find it hard to believe that you've gone out of your way to watch him play for Villa and you're basing your argument from 'he's a big striker therefore he must be slow'. I'm keen to know your vast scouting of Benteke?

      Jesus wept... Again, you've not read. Not only did Benteke win in the air but as I said but also he was outpacing them. You're twisting what you read so that you think it makes you look clever. It really just makes you look ignorant. Please read this post again before you reply because you're becoming a self fulfilling prophesy from my original post.

      So because I don't support Villa are you assuming I never watch them play then or I haven't seen enough of Benteke to form an opinion on him? I watch Villa probably about as much as anybody else on here. I actually take a bit of interest in them as my brother in law supports them so I've probably seen them more than you as it happens. Well, I'm actually convinced I have because you're saying Benteke is a mobile striker  :lmao:

      I'm not ignorant. I can accept people thinking Benteke will be a huge success, I've got no problem with that. You're saying he is mobile though and you must be thinking of somebody else because Christian Benteke is not a mobile forward. Even his biggest fans on here will admit so.

       



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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1933: Jul 22, 2015 02:15:19 pm
      Just seen a blown up version of that image, does he really need 3 phones? :D

      Wait wait, I got this one...one for the agent and football noobheads, one for family and friends and one for the ladies. There...
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1934: Jul 22, 2015 02:19:28 pm
      http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/2e879698d641f5760cc992ee3e1363ed_large
      Pace

      http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Kirsten_Benteke.gif
      Pace and strength

      http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/bcf963c9cfff22257d2557668ba6191e_large
      Agility, quick turn, finish, power.

      http://giant.gfycat.com/QuickSarcasticAngora.gif
      Pace, finishing

      http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429113/Benteke_Goal.gif
      Pace, finishing, composure.

      http://oi40.tinypic.com/nvryf.jpg
      Pace, insane strength, finishing.

      http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/03/VIL1-1NOR.gif
      Agility, finishing.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjlUb-XOTeg

      That's highlights from the FA Cup things I noticed were:
      1. He actually plays out wide much more than I even thought
      2. He wins everything in the air
      3. His 'lack of pace' isn't there at all.
      4. He got tired! I'm hoping that is due to just coming back from injury.

      I understand you won't change your mind no matter what, but type 'Benteke vs' into youtube and just watch some of the highlights which show you his every touch. Shows good and bad. The thing I'm left worrying about is his first touch to be honest but never once did I think 'This lad is slow'.

      I'm perplexed as to where you've seen him looking slow or immobile because every 90minutes I've watched him play in against us, he's had absolutely no issues with pace or getting round people.
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1935: Jul 22, 2015 02:19:36 pm
      Interesting read. If you agree with it you can party, if you disagree you can slag it off. Have fun.

      http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/four-big-reasons-why-christian-benteke-not-new-andy-carroll

      Very encouraging that. I think Benteke suffers from that reputation that "big man striker up front" syndrome that's prevailant in the PL. He is quicker, more mobile, technically able and versatile than his reputation suggests. By no means in the top tier strikers, but just that one stats that onle Aquero, Luis and Van Persie scored more goals than him since he arrived in the PL, playing for a dog sh*t team like Villa is good enough for me. I have high hopes.
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      Reply #1936: Jul 22, 2015 02:21:43 pm
      I'm not ignorant. I can accept people thinking Benteke will be a huge success, I've got no problem with that. You're saying he is mobile though and you must be thinking of somebody else because Christian Benteke is not a mobile forward. Even his biggest fans on here will admit so.

      Maybe we need to determine what it is you mean by mobile? Define mobile and then we can discern whether people are on the same page as you.

      I would contend that mobile is a player that uses movement to get open, to create space, to pick up the ball in different places on the pitch, where as immobile would be someone like Balotelli that mainly wanders around the 18 yard box, rarely making moves to actually get into positions to score (or Andy Carroll).

      If you watch Benteke much (which you attest to doing) then you would see that he is very mobile (by my own definition admittedly) as he often times will come back into midfield to retrieve the ball, he moves out wide to create room for runs by some of his midfielders and he makes runs into the box. He has very good footwork and good technical ability and can fend off defenders not only with his strength but also with his skill. He also has an eye for a pass and seems to involve his teammates quite well. He isn't going to blow by anyone like Sterling but then again very few players will.

      He may not be as "mobile" as Sturridge for instance (although an argument could be made that he is close) but he's much more mobile than a Balotelli or a Carroll. So I guess the question is what do you define as "mobile"?
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1937: Jul 22, 2015 02:22:46 pm
      Very encouraging that. I think Benteke suffers from that reputation that "big man striker up front" syndrome that's prevailant in the PL. He is quicker, more mobile, technically able and versatile than his reputation suggests. By no means in the top tier strikers, but just that one stats that onle Aquero, Luis and Van Persie scored more goals than him since he arrived in the PL, playing for a dog sh*t team like Villa is good enough for me. I have high hopes.

      See that's the thing, I don't think he's going to be the next Suarez, but I have an open mind and high hopes for him. If he stays fit (you can say that about any player) I think he'll have a great chance at being quite successful for us.
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1938: Jul 22, 2015 02:36:29 pm
      Just seen a blown up version of that image, does he really need 3 phones? :D

      Yeah man. One for his Brazilian hoes, one for his German hoes and one for his English soon-to-be-hoes :laugh:

      And a fourth/boring one for his wife or whatever, I guess.
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1939: Jul 22, 2015 03:37:06 pm
      http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/2e879698d641f5760cc992ee3e1363ed_large
      Pace

      http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Kirsten_Benteke.gif
      Pace and strength

      http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/bcf963c9cfff22257d2557668ba6191e_large
      Agility, quick turn, finish, power.

      http://giant.gfycat.com/QuickSarcasticAngora.gif
      Pace, finishing

      http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429113/Benteke_Goal.gif
      Pace, finishing, composure.

      http://oi40.tinypic.com/nvryf.jpg
      Pace, insane strength, finishing.

      http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/03/VIL1-1NOR.gif
      Agility, finishing.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjlUb-XOTeg

      That's highlights from the FA Cup things I noticed were:
      1. He actually plays out wide much more than I even thought
      2. He wins everything in the air
      3. His 'lack of pace' isn't there at all.
      4. He got tired! I'm hoping that is due to just coming back from injury.

      I understand you won't change your mind no matter what, but type 'Benteke vs' into youtube and just watch some of the highlights which show you his every touch. Shows good and bad. The thing I'm left worrying about is his first touch to be honest but never once did I think 'This lad is slow'.

      I'm perplexed as to where you've seen him looking slow or immobile because every 90minutes I've watched him play in against us, he's had absolutely no issues with pace or getting round people.

      Excellent post mate. You deserve a medal, not for football knowledge but for your determination to debate with someone who is clearly unable/unwilling to see any reason whatsoever. It's one thing to say we could have done better for the money or to say "I'm not sure he'll fit into our style of play", but to label Benteke "immobile" or "lacking in pace" is just being silly. You get this on here sometimes, people box themselves into such a corner and spend so much time rolling about on their backs in mock amusement that they lose all semblance of reality. Why not just go with "I don't think it'll work because of..." then insert something sensible. Who knows? you might even be right! But when they load up their posts with multi quotes and start being silly I just don't bother reading it, life's too short.   
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1940: Jul 22, 2015 03:42:46 pm
      Maybe we need to determine what it is you mean by mobile? Define mobile and then we can discern whether people are on the same page as you.

      I would contend that mobile is a player that uses movement to get open, to create space, to pick up the ball in different places on the pitch, where as immobile would be someone like Balotelli that mainly wanders around the 18 yard box, rarely making moves to actually get into positions to score (or Andy Carroll).

      If you watch Benteke much (which you attest to doing) then you would see that he is very mobile (by my own definition admittedly) as he often times will come back into midfield to retrieve the ball, he moves out wide to create room for runs by some of his midfielders and he makes runs into the box. He has very good footwork and good technical ability and can fend off defenders not only with his strength but also with his skill. He also has an eye for a pass and seems to involve his teammates quite well. He isn't going to blow by anyone like Sterling but then again very few players will.

      He may not be as "mobile" as Sturridge for instance (although an argument could be made that he is close) but he's much more mobile than a Balotelli or a Carroll. So I guess the question is what do you define as "mobile"?

      Spot on.

      Define mobile. Id like to think that majority of pro footballers are 100x more mobile than me as an amatuer footballer, benteke is probably not as mobile as say the top 5% of strikers in Europe, but he defo more mobile than say lambo, or even balo. so already he is much more mobile than 2 out of 4 of our strikers from last season.

      It's also this chat he is not an LFC player, or he won't suit our system, ffs. what is an LFC player these days, and we play many systems, so thats blows that.

      Folk just like moaning and trying to prove they know best.

      Let's give the lad a chance and stop comparing this to the andy carroll transfer, only similiarity, is a big sale is funding a big buy, and it is a striker, thats it.

      ps. I happened to like big Andy, think he suffered from injuries during his time with us, and now at west ham.
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1941: Jul 22, 2015 03:47:27 pm
      Can he just sign so we can close this already?! Then all the arguing can move to the player thread   :roll:
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1942: Jul 22, 2015 03:50:09 pm
      See that's the thing, I don't think he's going to be the next Suarez, but I have an open mind and high hopes for him. If he stays fit (you can say that about any player) I think he'll have a great chance at being quite successful for us.

      See if we can get double figures out of all 4 strikers this season in the league, we will have done fantastic, if 1 or 2 can get into the 20's then even better.

      Can see benteke easily getting into double figures with the service our attacking midfilders are going to provide, and hopefully our full backs providing width and decent crosses.
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1943: Jul 22, 2015 03:54:43 pm
      See if we can get double figures out of all 4 strikers this season in the league, we will have done fantastic, if 1 or 2 can get into the 20's then even better.

      Can see benteke easily getting into double figures with the service our attacking midfilders are going to provide, and hopefully our full backs providing width and decent crosses.

      Not a chance we'll get double figures out of our 4 main strikers. Also think 2 at 20+ is pushing the ambitious side of things, it's reliant on Sturridge coming back to form pretty damn quick and Benteke not only hitting the ground running but maintaining it throughout a season, something he's not been able to do so far, either through injury or dips of form.

      I think we're much more likely to see the 2 main lads around the 15 mark and Ings/Origi getting a few in the Europa and the cups. That would still be a decent improvement on what we had last season.
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1944: Jul 22, 2015 03:58:07 pm
      Not a chance we'll get double figures out of our 4 main strikers. Also think 2 at 20+ is pushing the ambitious side of things, it's reliant on Sturridge coming back to form pretty damn quick and Benteke not only hitting the ground running but maintaining it throughout a season, something he's not been able to do so far, either through injury or dips of form.
      To be fair, he hit 19 in 2012-2013 in 34 appearances. Without injury I'd say he's likely to get near 20 unless he's sharing time with Sturridge in which case I don't think either of them will hit 20.
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1945: Jul 22, 2015 04:00:56 pm
      http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/2e879698d641f5760cc992ee3e1363ed_large
      Pace

      http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Kirsten_Benteke.gif
      Pace and strength

      http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/bcf963c9cfff22257d2557668ba6191e_large
      Agility, quick turn, finish, power.

      http://giant.gfycat.com/QuickSarcasticAngora.gif
      Pace, finishing

      http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429113/Benteke_Goal.gif
      Pace, finishing, composure.

      http://oi40.tinypic.com/nvryf.jpg
      Pace, insane strength, finishing.

      http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/03/VIL1-1NOR.gif
      Agility, finishing.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjlUb-XOTeg

      That's highlights from the FA Cup things I noticed were:
      1. He actually plays out wide much more than I even thought
      2. He wins everything in the air
      3. His 'lack of pace' isn't there at all.
      4. He got tired! I'm hoping that is due to just coming back from injury.

      I understand you won't change your mind no matter what, but type 'Benteke vs' into youtube and just watch some of the highlights which show you his every touch. Shows good and bad. The thing I'm left worrying about is his first touch to be honest but never once did I think 'This lad is slow'.

      I'm perplexed as to where you've seen him looking slow or immobile because every 90minutes I've watched him play in against us, he's had absolutely no issues with pace or getting round people.

      Think we'll have to agree to disagree.

      But for what its worth...

      First video - Has his head down running towards goal with the ball. Definitely rare with Benteke and you will see that for yourself once he signs for us. I wouldn't use the word pace here though. He isn't beating anybody in a race and we are backing off him - dreadful defending by skrtel too haha!

      Second video - It's what I was getting at earlier on when we were discussing him beating Can in a race. He isn't showing pace on that video. The defender keeps with him the whole way until Benteke muscles him off.

      Third video - Screamer of a goal but again its what I've been getting at. He is naturally positioned in a central position. The ball is played into him with his back to goal and he turns and pulls the trigger. Fantastic goal but this doesn't prove he is mobile?

      Fourth video - Best of the lot for me and helps prove your case a little better. He closes the defender down, runs half a football pitch and slots the ball well. Its very suarez esque. He doesn't do this enough though.

      Fifth video - Pace? come off it. Its awful defending. The defence is standing on the half way line! The centre half dives in, misses his challenge, Benteke strolls forward with the ball and finishes. Nothing pacey about it!

      Sixth video - won't let me open.

      Seventh video - A cross into him and again he finishes. This echo's everything I've been saying about him! You're proving me right using such a video. I've consistently said if you get the ball into Benteke he will cause damage but we don't play in such way unfortunately which is why he will struggle here.

      I also worry about his first touch but I think he has slow feet too. He is not somebody I'd have down to do a quick 1-2 with for example and we play with and need pace in our team.

      Surely he will be signing today anyway so we'll all see how he will get on sooner than later.

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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1946: Jul 22, 2015 04:04:35 pm
      Think we'll have to agree to disagree.

      But for what its worth...

      First video - Has his head down running towards goal with the ball. Definitely rare with Benteke and you will see that for yourself once he signs for us. I wouldn't use the word pace here though. He isn't beating anybody in a race and we are backing off him - dreadful defending by skrtel too haha!

      Second video - It's what I was getting at earlier on when we were discussing him beating Can in a race. He isn't showing pace on that video. The defender keeps with him the whole way until Benteke muscles him off.

      Third video - Screamer of a goal but again its what I've been getting at. He is naturally positioned in a central position. The ball is played into him with his back to goal and he turns and pulls the trigger. Fantastic goal but this doesn't prove he is mobile?

      Fourth video - Best of the lot for me and helps prove your case a little better. He closes the defender down, runs half a football pitch and slots the ball well. Its very suarez esque. He doesn't do this enough though.

      Fifth video - Pace? come off it. Its awful defending. The defence is standing on the half way line! The centre half dives in, misses his challenge, Benteke strolls forward with the ball and finishes. Nothing pacey about it!

      Sixth video - won't let me open.

      Seventh video - A cross into him and again he finishes. This echo's everything I've been saying about him! You're proving me right using such a video. I've consistently said if you get the ball into Benteke he will cause damage but we don't play in such way unfortunately which is why he will struggle here.

      I also worry about his first touch but I think he has slow feet too. He is not somebody I'd have down to do a quick 1-2 with for example and we play with and need pace in our team.

      Surely he will be signing today anyway so we'll all see how he will get on sooner than later.



      It's obvious that all you care about is being "right" and you aren't willing to have an open mind.

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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1947: Jul 22, 2015 04:07:48 pm
      Think we'll have to agree to disagree.

      But for what its worth...

      First video - Has his head down running towards goal with the ball. Definitely rare with Benteke and you will see that for yourself once he signs for us. I wouldn't use the word pace here though. He isn't beating anybody in a race and we are backing off him - dreadful defending by skrtel too haha!

      Second video - It's what I was getting at earlier on when we were discussing him beating Can in a race. He isn't showing pace on that video. The defender keeps with him the whole way until Benteke muscles him off.

      Third video - Screamer of a goal but again its what I've been getting at. He is naturally positioned in a central position. The ball is played into him with his back to goal and he turns and pulls the trigger. Fantastic goal but this doesn't prove he is mobile?

      Fourth video - Best of the lot for me and helps prove your case a little better. He closes the defender down, runs half a football pitch and slots the ball well. Its very suarez esque. He doesn't do this enough though.

      Fifth video - Pace? come off it. Its awful defending. The defence is standing on the half way line! The centre half dives in, misses his challenge, Benteke strolls forward with the ball and finishes. Nothing pacey about it!

      Sixth video - won't let me open.

      Seventh video - A cross into him and again he finishes. This echo's everything I've been saying about him! You're proving me right using such a video. I've consistently said if you get the ball into Benteke he will cause damage but we don't play in such way unfortunately which is why he will struggle here.

      I also worry about his first touch but I think he has slow feet too. He is not somebody I'd have down to do a quick 1-2 with for example and we play with and need pace in our team.

      Surely he will be signing today anyway so we'll all see how he will get on sooner than later.



      I think we will however I find it strange how you ask for examples and then claim most of them are almost flukes? I or no one else is saying he's lightning quick but to say he's immobile is silly, you must see that? He's in a central position when he scores his goals that's why I posted the highlight video too which shows his play out wide too. You'll find most goals from strikers (or anyone for that matter) will come largely from a central position. So again I urge you to look up some more highlights from his games (after all it was your idea to gather evidence) and see how his game isn't as limited as you think.

      Anyway you're right, we'll see when he signs. I wonder how many people will complain about his mobility?
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      Reply #1948: Jul 22, 2015 04:08:09 pm
      Arguing the toss over a player who hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet, what's the point?

      How he played for Genk has no bearing on what he'll do in a red shirt. How he played for villa has nothing to do with what he'll do in a red shirt.

      At least let the lad get a few games under his belt before he's judged.

      All that matters at this moment in time is he's from the Congo and probably drinks Um Bongo.

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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1949: Jul 22, 2015 04:09:58 pm
      Arguing the toss over a player who hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet, what's the point?

      How he played for Genk has no bearing on what he'll do in a red shirt. How he played for villa has nothing to do with what he'll do in a red shirt.

      At least let the lad get a few games under his belt before he's judged.

      All that matters at this moment in time is he's from the Congo and probably drinks Um Bongo.

       :drink: :oranje:

      And he's going to need a Songo ;D

      No....ok...I'll get my coat.  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1950: Jul 22, 2015 04:10:18 pm
      Excellent post mate. You deserve a medal, not for football knowledge but for your determination to debate with someone who is clearly unable/unwilling to see any reason whatsoever. It's one thing to say we could have done better for the money or to say "I'm not sure he'll fit into our style of play", but to label Benteke "immobile" or "lacking in pace" is just being silly. You get this on here sometimes, people box themselves into such a corner and spend so much time rolling about on their backs in mock amusement that they lose all semblance of reality. Why not just go with "I don't think it'll work because of..." then insert something sensible. Who knows? you might even be right! But when they load up their posts with multi quotes and start being silly I just don't bother reading it, life's too short.

      Just in reply to you, Mag responded to me using multi quotes so I did the same to him - presumed he would prefer to debate that way.

      I'm not unable or unwilling either. If you or anybody else thinks Benteke will be a great player for us I have no problem with that. I just disagree with it.

      What I will argue with though is when terms such as mobile or pace are associated with him. I've no idea what football games you have been watching but they are words I would not put with Benteke - he is a completely different type of forward. 



      bigmick
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1951: Jul 22, 2015 04:20:00 pm
      Just in reply to you, Mag responded to me using multi quotes so I did the same to him - presumed he would prefer to debate that way.

      I'm not unable or unwilling either. If you or anybody else thinks Benteke will be a great player for us I have no problem with that. I just disagree with it.

      What I will argue with though is when terms such as mobile or pace are associated with him. I've no idea what football games you have been watching but they are words I would not put with Benteke - he is a completely different type of forward. 





      By far the most sensible thing you've said for a good few days was at the start of an earlier post. It was "Think we're going to have to agree to disagree", and I agree, to disagree. If you think I've got f*ck all else to do for the next few days but debate and counter debate with you over Christian Benteke you've got another think coming. Lets just wait and see when he plays. 
      KopiteLuke
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1952: Jul 22, 2015 04:21:30 pm
      To be fair, he hit 19 in 2012-2013 in 34 appearances. Without injury I'd say he's likely to get near 20 unless he's sharing time with Sturridge in which case I don't think either of them will hit 20.


      Yeah it's still not 20+ though :D

      As you say though Brendan will surely want to manage them both we care. There's no way Benteke is playing every minute of every game even if he remains injury free, the same with Sturridge. I think we wont see 2 strikers play together too often, personally think their time will be managed so we don't end up having to rely on Origi and Ings.

      I honestly think if we manage to get 15 out of each of them then they'll both have done all right. Sturridge on the back of horrific injuries and Benteke in his first year with us. 20+ by either and we're bang in there with a shout at top 4 or a cup imo.
      HamannsTheMan
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1953: Jul 22, 2015 04:24:53 pm
      I think we will however I find it strange how you ask for examples and then claim most of them are almost flukes? I or no one else is saying he's lightning quick but to say he's immobile is silly, you must see that? He's in a central position when he scores his goals that's why I posted the highlight video too which shows his play out wide too. You'll find most goals from strikers (or anyone for that matter) will come largely from a central position. So again I urge you to look up some more highlights from his games (after all it was your idea to gather evidence) and see how his game isn't as limited as you think.

      Anyway you're right, we'll see when he signs. I wonder how many people will complain about his mobility?

      Not saying they're flukes as such but I am questioning whether he has used pace, dribble or proven to be mobile which is what I asked you to find. The palace goal aside, I'd argue not. 

      Benteke has scored a lot of goals, some great goals, but in general over 90 minutes he isn't a mobile striker. He is at his best when the ball is played in to him and with his back to goal. He doesn't move much and he isn't blessed with explosive pace either. For the record, I have never actually called Benteke slow either! But he definitely isn't quick and having pace would be a real asset in our team. Look at the way the results changed last season when Sterling played as a CF.

      I've no doubt if we played to Bentekes strengths he would be very good, but I don't think that we will.

      I've got no problem Benteke being in the middle, I've got no problem with Bentekes style of play, what I am saying is that with our current players/manager then I would strongly suggest playing either A) Two forwards or B) a mobile striker.  I've got my doubts about Benteke because I wouldn't pick him for either option personally.

      A mobile striker in my terms, is somebody who stretches defences by making runs or using pace. Ings for example isn't blessed with pace either but the lad will never stop running into space and will cause all types of problems for defences.  In my opinion Ings will hit the ground running in our team and I see him scoring more goals than Benteke. I'd pick him every time until Sturridge is fit.

      Benteke causes defences problems by bullying them basically. He is a big handful. Perhaps he is a better footballer than what I give him credit for who knows, the fact is nobody knows yet how he will do here, I worry for him but time will tell.

      Once Sturridge is fit then where does Benteke come in? Surely you would play Sturridge and then Lallana, Coutinho and Firmino in behind? You can't bench Danny he is just too good and a pairing of Danny/Christian would just be a disaster in my opinion.






      HamannsTheMan
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      Re: Christian Benteke (Aston Villa)
      Reply #1954: Jul 22, 2015 04:27:06 pm
      It's obvious that all you care about is being "right" and you aren't willing to have an open mind.



      I've seen you call half a dozen or so other users on here trolls before too.

      Trying to get people banned or something? You need to get out more pal.

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