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      Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager

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      AZPatriot
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15617: Jan 08, 2018 11:26:14 pm
      Geez he reacted well to all of them, bought quality replacements, hope the same can be said this time. I trust Jürgen will find a beauty out there.

      The manager (who has faults just like any other person) is the most important player at LFC.

      I read when the pre-season starts he makes what could be considered a personal contract with all of his players for that year. He will do everything to protect them and at the same time make sure they can fulfill they're ambitions personally and professionally up to and including finding them the deal they want at a different club.

      Everybody buys in....and that contract (in the managers mind is locked in come hell or high water); you can see this in his comments and how he doesn't throw people under the bus.

      In my mind at the start of pre-season (pre Neymar) he had that personal contract with Phil...then the player broke it...and now broke it again.

      I have zero problem with what the manager did..saw it with Balotelli...saw it with Sakho...in fact Phil got a mulligan off the sh*te list.

      As a manager and the way he wants the players to embrace you simply cannot let this happen or it erodes away everything in the now and in the future.
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      Reply #15618: Jan 08, 2018 11:36:17 pm
      You mean Michael Edwards has, right?

      I think it's a collective gamble, and if it doesn't pay off because they don't buy someone and we fail to finish in the top four, I think the collective's position is untenable.
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      Reply #15619: Jan 08, 2018 11:41:28 pm
      I think the collective's position is untenable.

      If this happens then your opinion is the manager should get the sack?
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      Reply #15620: Jan 08, 2018 11:47:48 pm
      F**k me... Sacking Klopp over a player who would feign injury & spit his dummy out during transfer windows..


      Without Klopp this club right now would regress 10 years as it did when Rafa was sacked..
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      Reply #15621: Jan 09, 2018 12:04:31 am
      Geez he reacted well to all of them, bought quality replacements, hope the same can be said this time. I trust Jürgen will find a beauty out there.

      Not exactly great after Lewandowski left, his signings at the time mostly failed, Ramos, Immobile, Ginter, none of them are still at Dortmund, and it was his worst season in terms of results on the pitch. They were nearing the relegation zone in the first half of the season
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      Reply #15622: Jan 09, 2018 12:05:12 am
      Not exactly great after Lewandowski left, his signings at the time mostly failed, Ramos, Immobile, Ginter, none of them are still at Dortmund, and it was his worst season in terms of results on the pitch. They were nearing the relegation zone in the first half of the season

      Thanks for the pick me up Diego lad.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15623: Jan 09, 2018 01:02:32 am
      F**k me... Sacking Klopp over a player who would feign injury & spit his dummy out during transfer windows..


      Without Klopp this club right now would regress 10 years as it did when Rafa was sacked..

      So finishing fifth or lower as a direct result of selling one of our best players and refusing to sanction the purchase of others is acceptable? I just want to be clear. Is that what you're proposing? Because I tell you right now, the knives will be out for him if that happens.
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      Reply #15624: Jan 09, 2018 01:32:35 am
      So finishing fifth or lower as a direct result of selling one of our best players and refusing to sanction the purchase of others is acceptable? I just want to be clear. Is that what you're proposing? Because I tell you right now, the knives will be out for him if that happens.

      The knives may be out but that's a lot of ifs right now and in the scheme of things...he's guided us to where we are right now which is a pretty strong position and that's with a wantaway player that missed a good many of those games. 

      Let's see how the season plays out before we start making ultimatums about how and when we should start calling for Klopp's head.

      If we miss top 4 because of this, I'll be just as pissed at him as anyone...but that won't mean he's not the right man for the job. To imply he's not is utter madness and lunacy.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15625: Jan 09, 2018 02:02:48 am
      Tears, trophies and transfers - How Jürgen Klopp dealt with big name departures and what it means for Liverpool


      What Klopp's reaction is remains to be seen but Klopp has been here before

      The saga is over, finally.

      Philippe Coutinho is gone, his move to Barcelona done and dusted, the Spaniards' lengthy and at-times brazen pursuit complete.


      Liverpool bank a fair chunk of money - £105m up front, more to come via add-ons – but now have the unenviable task of replacing the Brazilian. It won't be easy.

      Speaking on Saturday, Reds boss Jürgen Klopp Klopp told fans the club had done “everything within our means” to keep the 25-year-old at Anfield, but that Coutinho had been “insistent” that the move happened immediately.

      In a lengthy statement posted on the club's official website, Klopp also insisted that Liverpool would “absorb” the loss of their star man.

      “Players will come and players will go, that is football,” he said. “But as a club we are big enough and strong enough to continue with our aggressive progression on the pitch, even when we lose an important player.

      “We have never been in a better position in recent times, as a club, to react in the right way.”

      What that reaction will be remains to be seen, of course, but Klopp has been here before. His latter years at Borussia Dortmund were marked by significant player departures.

      Here's how he handled them...

      Nuri Sahin - 2011

      What happened?

      Sahin was one of the key figures of Klopp's first Bundesliga title win in 2011.

      But soon after that success, the Turkish international was approached by Real Madrid and made the decision to leave Dortmund.

      Speaking last summer, Sahin revealed the conversation he had with Klopp ahead of that move.

      "Nuri, it is your choice," he told me. "But if you leave, you must know, I will always be on your side. You are my friend forever."

      Sahin completed his move to the Bernabeu in May 2011.

      How did Klopp react?

      Pretty well. Having showed his human side during his conversation with Sahin, Klopp and Dortmund displayed their eye for a player that summer.

      Ilkay Gundogan was the man they chose to replace him. At the time he was a 20-year-old playing with Nuremberg in the German Second Division. He would swiftly establish himself as a mainstay at Dortmund, playing a big role as they defended their Bundesliga title in 2011/12, adding the German Cup for good measure.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Sahin's move to Spain didn't work out. He spent just one season at Real, making 10 appearances. In August 2012 he was snapped up on loan by Liverpool, but that deal was cut short in January 2013 after a dozen outings and three goals.

      He returned to Dortmund, initially on an 18-month loan. That move was made permanent in 2014, though he has not regained anything like his best form since.


      Shinji Kagawa - 2012



      What happened?


      Another key figure of Klopp's golden era at Dortmund, Japan international Kagawa was instrumental in their back-to-back Bundesliga successes of 2011 and 2012.

      But like Sahin before him, the lure of one of Europe's big boys proved too great. He'd cost just €350,000 when signing from Cerezo Osaka, but Manchester United paid £12m to take him to the Premier League.

      “Shinji Kagawa is one of the best players in the world and he now plays 20 minutes at Manchester United – on the left wing,” moaned Klopp a year into Kagawa's Old Trafford career.

      “My heart breaks. Really, I have tears in my eyes. Central midfield is Shinji’s best role. He’s an offensive midfielder with one of the best noses for goal I ever saw.

      “But for most Japanese people it means more to play for Man United than Dortmund. We cried for 20 minutes, in each other’s arms, when he left.”

      How did Klopp react?

      Well, after the tears subsided, he did pretty well! He picked up a young, talented attacker from Borussia Monchengladbach called Marco Reus, and guided Dortmund to the final of the Champions League in 2013.

      They lost unfortunately to Bayern – arguably the beginning of the end for Klopp at Signal Iduna Park – and finished second to the Bavarians in the Bundesliga. Reus, though, would become one of Europe's stars.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Like Sahin, his big move didn't work out as planned. Kagawa did win a Premier League medal in his first season at United, but struggled to find the kind of form he had shown at Dortmund.

      His second season at Old Trafford saw him fail to score in 30 appearances, and he returned to Germany on deadline day in August 2014.

      Since then, he's made a further 133 appearances for Dortmund, scoring 29 times and winning a German Cup in 2017.


      Mario Gotze - 2013


      What happened?

      A day after Dortmund's epic Champions League quarter final win over Malaga, Jürgen Klopp was brought crashing back down to earth.

      “I had one day of happiness,” he would later reflect. “And then somebody thought ‘enough, go back down on the floor.’”

      The reason? Mario Gotze.

      Klopp, still riding the emotions of the previous night’s triumph, had arrived at Dortmund’s Brackel training ground the following morning to be greeted by Michael Zorc, his sporting director.

      “He looked like someone had died,” he recalled. “He said....I have to tell you something.”

      The news was a dagger blow. Gotze, Dortmund’s bright young thing and the home-grown beacon of an emerging force, was leaving. For Bayern Munich.

      The Bavarians had activated a €37m release clause in Gotze’s contract. He would move to Munich that summer, having been at Dortmund since the age of eight. It was, Klopp, said “like a heart attack.” He would later compare Bayern to a James Bond villain.

      “Michael asked if I wanted to talk and I said: ‘No, I have to go',” he added. “That evening my wife was waiting because there’s a very good German actor, and a good friend, Wotan Wilke Möhring, in a new film in Essen and we were invited to the premiere.

      “But I walked in and told her: ‘No chance. I cannot speak. It’s not possible to take me out tonight.’ There were all these calls from the club – we should meet in a restaurant and speak. I said: ‘No, I have to be on my own.’ Tomorrow I’ll be back in the race – but not tonight.

      How did Klopp react?


      Well, he missed the premiere for starters. And he revealed he had spoken to “six or seven” Dortmund players who were “damaged in the heart.”

      “They thought they were not good enough,” he said. “And they wanted to win together. That’s the reason it hurt them so much. But Bayern told Mario: ‘It’s now or never.’”

      Klopp's replacement was signed at Liverpool's expense, Henrikh Mkhitaryan costing around €25m. Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was also picked up that summer at a cost of €13m, with defender Sokratis Papastathopoulos also signed.

      All three would go on to become big players, though Dortmund would finish 19 points adrift of Pep Guardiola's Bayern, and would lose to Real Madrid in the quarter finals of the Champions League.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      Mixed, to say the least. Gotze's first season at Bayern brought a Bundesliga title and 15 goals, and ended with him scoring the winner in the biggest game of all – the World Cup final.

      He scored on his first return to Signal Iduna Park with Bayern, but his later years at the Allianz Arena were plagued by injury and loss of form. He missed a penalty against Dortmund during a shootout defeat in the German Cup semi finals in April 2015, and his final season in Bavaria brought just 21 appearances.

      He returned to Dortmund in 2016, having been courted by Klopp and Liverpool. In early March 2017, however, it was revealed he had been suffering from a metabolic disorder. It was later found out to be myopathy, a muscular disorder which affects the fibres in the muscles meaning they do not function correctly.

      He returned to action a few months later, and has made 15 appearances so far this season.


      Robert Lewandowski - 2014

      What happened?

      Another of Dortmund's best signings under Klopp, the striker scored 103 goals in 187 appearances but by 2013 was being openly courted by Bayern Munich.

      Lewandowski pushed for a move following the Champions League final at Wembley, but was denied the move. In November 2013 he confirmed that he would sign a pre-contract agreement with Bayern, moving on a free transfer at the end of that season.

      His final season at Dortmund brought 28 goals in 48 appearances. His final game for Dortmund was the 2014 German Cup final – a defeat against Bayern.

      How did Klopp react?

      He spent money. Italy international Ciro Immobile was the man Dortmund went for, paying a sizeable fee to take the striker from Torino.

      Adrian Ramos, Shinji Kagawa, Nuri Sahin and Mattias Ginter were also brought in as Klopp attempted to keep pace with Bayern. They were unable to do so, Dortmund finishing seventh in the Bundesliga having been bottom at the halfway stage. They were also beaten in the final of the German Cup by Wolfsburg and exited the Champions League at the last 16 stage to Juventus.

      Immobile managed just three Bundesliga goals and Ramos two, although Aubameyang emerged as the like-for-like replacement for Lewandowski with 23 in all competitions.

      As for Klopp, this would prove to be his final campaign as Dortmund boss. He announced his departure at an emotional press conference in April 2015.

      And how did the player get on after leaving?

      He's become arguably the world's best No.9. His record at Bayern is absurd – 131 goals in 173 games – and he has won three successive Bundesliga crowns.

      With Poland, he was also the top scorer in qualifying for both Euro 2016 and the 2018 World Cup, his international record standing at 51 goals in 91 caps.




      The gaffer has been here before and dealt with it, this is not his first trip around the block in these matters....Players come and players go but he knows what he's doing.

      The article is useless, because most mentioned players had release clauses on their contracts or were one year ahead of their contract's end and signaled not to extent, so it would make sense to cash in something at least. Completely diffferent with Coutinho. Klopp is too soft. can u imagine what Mourinho would have done in Klopp's position? He'd have called out the Brazilian...and he would have gone nowhere in January.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15626: Jan 09, 2018 02:14:26 am
      Itching to know if the whole coutinho fee will be reinvested into the team, and if so, I have complete trust in klopp to make some really good signings for us.

      I can't help but worry that we've already spent the money though and that this window, and the summer, we will be all left disappointed yet again.

      I hope im wrong.
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15627: Jan 09, 2018 02:46:41 am
      Itching to know if the whole coutinho fee will be reinvested into the team, and if so, I have complete trust in klopp to make some really good signings for us.

      I can't help but worry that we've already spent the money though and that this window, and the summer, we will be all left disappointed yet again.

      I hope im wrong.

      A good question here.

      Also, does anyone have a record of all transfers in and out since klopp arrived, including the fees?
      Would love to see that. Was it you who posted about the owners putting all transfer proceeds into a particular  account?
      « Last Edit: Jan 09, 2018 03:07:13 pm by Robby The Z »
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      Reply #15628: Jan 09, 2018 08:41:39 am
      A good question here.

      Also, does anyone have a record of all transfers in and out since klopp arrived, including the fees?
      Would live to see that. Was it you who posted about the owners putting all transfer proceeds into a particular  account?

      INS
      Total of £221, 300 000

      Marko Grujić Red Star Belgrade £5,100,000 6th Jan, 2016
      Shamal George LFC Youth System £0 6th Jan, 2016
      Kamil Grabara Ruch Chorzow £300,000 15th Jan, 2016
      Sadio Mane Southampton £30,000,000 28th Jun, 2016
      Loris Karius Mainz 05 £4,700,000 1st Jul, 2016
      Joel Matip Schalke 04 £0 1st Jul, 2016
      Ragnar Klavan FC Augsburg £4,200,000 20th Jul, 2016
      Alex Manninger Free Transfer £0 22nd Jul, 2016
      Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle United £25,000,000 22nd Jul, 2016
      Mohammed Salah AS Roma £34,000,000 22nd Jun, 2017
      Dominic Solanke Chelsea £0 1st Jul, 2017
      Andy Robertson Hull City £8,000,000 21st Jul, 2017
      Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Arsenal £35,000,000 31st Aug, 2017
      Virgil van Dijk Southampton £75,000,000 1st Jan, 2018


      OUTS
      17 Players Sold: £255,050,000


      Jordan Rossiter Rangers £250,000 13th May, 2016
      Joao Teixeira FC Porto £0 30th Jun, 2016
      Jerome Sinclair Watford £0 1st Jul, 2016
      Sergi Canos Norwich City £2,500,000 10th Jul, 2016
      Martin Skrtel Fenerbahce £5,500,000 13th Jul, 2016
      Jordon Ibe Bournemouth £15,000,000 13th Jul, 2016
      Joe Allen Stoke City £13,000,000 25th Jul, 2016
      Brad Smith AFC Bournemouth £3,000,000 27th Jul, 2016
      Christian Benteke Crystal Palace £27,000,000 19th Aug, 2016
      Luis Alberto Lazio £4,300,000 31st Aug, 2016
      Mario Balotelli Nice £0 31st Aug, 2016
      Tiago Ilori Reading £2,500,000 18th Jan, 2017
      Andre Wisdom Derby County £2,000,000 1st Jul, 2017
      Lucas Leiva Lazio £5,000,000 18th Jul, 2017
      Kevin Stewart Hull City £7,000,000 21st Jul, 2017
      Mamadou Sakho Crystal Palace £26,000,000 31st Aug, 2017
      Philippe Coutinho Barcelona £142,000,000 7th Jan, 2018

      So under Klopp we are currently making a profit of 33 750 000 during his tenure here, and people say we aren't a selling club
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15629: Jan 09, 2018 08:49:42 am
      INS
      Total of £221, 300 000

      Marko Grujić Red Star Belgrade £5,100,000 6th Jan, 2016
      Shamal George LFC Youth System £0 6th Jan, 2016
      Kamil Grabara Ruch Chorzow £300,000 15th Jan, 2016
      Sadio Mane Southampton £30,000,000 28th Jun, 2016
      Loris Karius Mainz 05 £4,700,000 1st Jul, 2016
      Joel Matip Schalke 04 £0 1st Jul, 2016
      Ragnar Klavan FC Augsburg £4,200,000 20th Jul, 2016
      Alex Manninger Free Transfer £0 22nd Jul, 2016
      Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle United £25,000,000 22nd Jul, 2016
      Mohammed Salah AS Roma £34,000,000 22nd Jun, 2017
      Dominic Solanke Chelsea £0 1st Jul, 2017
      Andy Robertson Hull City £8,000,000 21st Jul, 2017
      Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Arsenal £35,000,000 31st Aug, 2017
      Virgil van Dijk Southampton £75,000,000 1st Jan, 2018


      OUTS
      17 Players Sold: £255,050,000


      Jordan Rossiter Rangers £250,000 13th May, 2016
      Joao Teixeira FC Porto £0 30th Jun, 2016
      Jerome Sinclair Watford £0 1st Jul, 2016
      Sergi Canos Norwich City £2,500,000 10th Jul, 2016
      Martin Skrtel Fenerbahce £5,500,000 13th Jul, 2016
      Jordon Ibe Bournemouth £15,000,000 13th Jul, 2016
      Joe Allen Stoke City £13,000,000 25th Jul, 2016
      Brad Smith AFC Bournemouth £3,000,000 27th Jul, 2016
      Christian Benteke Crystal Palace £27,000,000 19th Aug, 2016
      Luis Alberto Lazio £4,300,000 31st Aug, 2016
      Mario Balotelli Nice £0 31st Aug, 2016
      Tiago Ilori Reading £2,500,000 18th Jan, 2017
      Andre Wisdom Derby County £2,000,000 1st Jul, 2017
      Lucas Leiva Lazio £5,000,000 18th Jul, 2017
      Kevin Stewart Hull City £7,000,000 21st Jul, 2017
      Mamadou Sakho Crystal Palace £26,000,000 31st Aug, 2017
      Philippe Coutinho Barcelona £142,000,000 7th Jan, 2018

      So under Klopp we are currently making a profit of 33 750 000 during his tenure here, and people say we aren't a selling club

      Missed Keita off mate might only be coming in the summer but purchased none the less.
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      Reply #15630: Jan 09, 2018 08:57:40 am
      Missed Keita off mate might only be coming in the summer but purchased none the less.

      Didn't include it as that will be part of the Summer ins and outs id have said
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      Reply #15631: Jan 09, 2018 09:07:20 am
      Didn't include it as that will be part of the Summer ins and outs id have said

      Fair enough haha
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15632: Jan 09, 2018 09:44:17 am
      INS
      Total of £221, 300 000

      Marko Grujić Red Star Belgrade £5,100,000 6th Jan, 2016
      Shamal George LFC Youth System £0 6th Jan, 2016
      Kamil Grabara Ruch Chorzow £300,000 15th Jan, 2016
      Sadio Mane Southampton £30,000,000 28th Jun, 2016
      Loris Karius Mainz 05 £4,700,000 1st Jul, 2016
      Joel Matip Schalke 04 £0 1st Jul, 2016
      Ragnar Klavan FC Augsburg £4,200,000 20th Jul, 2016
      Alex Manninger Free Transfer £0 22nd Jul, 2016
      Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle United £25,000,000 22nd Jul, 2016
      Mohammed Salah AS Roma £34,000,000 22nd Jun, 2017
      Dominic Solanke Chelsea £0 1st Jul, 2017
      Andy Robertson Hull City £8,000,000 21st Jul, 2017
      Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Arsenal £35,000,000 31st Aug, 2017
      Virgil van Dijk Southampton £75,000,000 1st Jan, 2018


      OUTS
      17 Players Sold: £255,050,000


      Jordan Rossiter Rangers £250,000 13th May, 2016
      Joao Teixeira FC Porto £0 30th Jun, 2016
      Jerome Sinclair Watford £0 1st Jul, 2016
      Sergi Canos Norwich City £2,500,000 10th Jul, 2016
      Martin Skrtel Fenerbahce £5,500,000 13th Jul, 2016
      Jordon Ibe Bournemouth £15,000,000 13th Jul, 2016
      Joe Allen Stoke City £13,000,000 25th Jul, 2016
      Brad Smith AFC Bournemouth £3,000,000 27th Jul, 2016
      Christian Benteke Crystal Palace £27,000,000 19th Aug, 2016
      Luis Alberto Lazio £4,300,000 31st Aug, 2016
      Mario Balotelli Nice £0 31st Aug, 2016
      Tiago Ilori Reading £2,500,000 18th Jan, 2017
      Andre Wisdom Derby County £2,000,000 1st Jul, 2017
      Lucas Leiva Lazio £5,000,000 18th Jul, 2017
      Kevin Stewart Hull City £7,000,000 21st Jul, 2017
      Mamadou Sakho Crystal Palace £26,000,000 31st Aug, 2017
      Philippe Coutinho Barcelona £142,000,000 7th Jan, 2018

      So under Klopp we are currently making a profit of 33 750 000 during his tenure here, and people say we aren't a selling club

      We spent 221,300,000 quid in the last 2 years and you're saying we are a selling club?

      221m, that's a lot of money and that shows how Klopp is being backed by the owners and contrary to conspiracy theorists on here all the money from player sales are going back to player recruitment. Most of the players we sold on the list Klopp didn't want them because they weren't his signings they were his predecessor's, so obviously the manager would want to get rid of the deadwood and bring in his own team.

      But that doesn't go too well with your flawed logic.
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      Reply #15633: Jan 09, 2018 09:53:16 am
      We spent 221,300,000 quid in the last 2 years and you're saying we are a selling club?

      221m, that's a lot of money and that shows how Klopp is being backed by the owners and contrary to conspiracy theorists on here all the money from player sales are going back to player recruitment. Most of the players we sold on the list Klopp didn't want them because they weren't his signings they were his predecessor's, so obviously the manager would want to get rid of the deadwood and bring in his own team.

      But that doesn't go too well with your flawed logic.

      yes cause that money has come from sales
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15634: Jan 09, 2018 09:57:52 am
      We spent 221,300,000 quid in the last 2 years and you're saying we are a selling club?

      221m, that's a lot of money and that shows how Klopp is being backed by the owners and contrary to conspiracy theorists on here all the money from player sales are going back to player recruitment. Most of the players we sold on the list Klopp didn't want them because they weren't his signings they were his predecessor's, so obviously the manager would want to get rid of the deadwood and bring in his own team.

      But that doesn't go too well with your flawed logic.

      Plus, Coutinho is the only player Klopp was forced to sell. The rest were deadwood and fantastic sales.
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      Reply #15635: Jan 09, 2018 09:58:01 am
      We spent 221,300,000 quid in the last 2 years and you're saying we are a selling club?

      221m, that's a lot of money and that shows how Klopp is being backed by the owners and contrary to conspiracy theorists on here all the money from player sales are going back to player recruitment. Most of the players we sold on the list Klopp didn't want them because they weren't his signings they were his predecessor's, so obviously the manager would want to get rid of the deadwood and bring in his own team.

      But that doesn't go too well with your flawed logic.

      No side of the debate here can be right or wrong, it's just your own confirmation bias to make it feel your or someone else's view of the situation 

      For example the opposite of your post would be, would we have spent that had we not sold that? Would the  net spend still be the same or similar? So if we had only sold 100m worth would we only have been able to spend 130m ? More than likely with how they said the run the club

      spend what we generate

      Can you improve by selling players?

      It's like saying

      I want to improve my house, so I'm going to build an extension on the side and a conservatory on the back

      But to do so I'll have to sell the garage and the living room

      For what's it's worth I am fully behind a manager shaping his own squad and selling players he doesn't want and signing players who fit for his system and style which for the vast majority of the outs Klopp didn't want.

      I personally think Klopp will get there, and I fully trust and believe in his vision

      But I think we have to replace Phil and get players in now, the money is there, we must be sat on buckets of the stuff if you look at those figures above.

      So as much as I back the manager need to shape his own squad, and i think we have our best squad since around 2008 but to say we are right in the  biggest spenders has to be taken in context of the sales.. It has to be
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15636: Jan 09, 2018 10:16:33 am
      No side of the debate here can be right or wrong, it's just your own confirmation bias to make it feel your or someone else's view of the situation 

      For example the opposite of your post would be, would we have spent that had we not sold that? Would the  net spend still be the same or similar? So if we had only sold 100m worth would we only have been able to spend 130m ? More than likely with how they said the run the club

      spend what we generate

      Can you improve by selling players?

      It's like saying

      I want to improve my house, so I'm going to build an extension on the side and a conservatory on the back

      But to do so I'll have to sell the garage and the living room

      For what's it's worth I am fully behind a manager shaping his own squad and selling players he doesn't want and signing players who fit for his system and style which for the vast majority of the outs Klopp didn't want.

      I personally think Klopp will get there, and I fully trust and believe in his vision

      But I think we have to replace Phil and get players in now, the money is there, we must be sat on buckets of the stuff if you look at those figures above.

      So as much as I back the manager need to shape his own squad, and i think we have our best squad since around 2008 but to say we are right in the  biggest spenders has to be taken in context of the sales.. It has to be

      Good post

      My initial argument was against us being a ''selling'' club, we are not one,we sold out our deadwood and replaced them with players that Klopp needed. We spent 221m in 2 years, that's a lot of money whether it was generated from player sales or not it just confirms that the manager is backed by the club and it will continue. Now whether Klopp wants to sign another player this Jan or not remains to be seen but I have complete trust in him and thankfully he never did resort to panic buying (remember the Brazilian player we wanted to get? from Shakhtar? forgot his name, well thank f*ck we didn't panic buy him). Plus the manager has always stated that money is not the issue and he has complete trust from his bosses, so why can't he be telling the truth?

      People just need to calm down and be patient, he's getting there, it's not the first time he lost one of his key players and it won't be the last. 2 years and a half is nothing, Rafa took him 4-5 years to build a great team and Klopp will be judged the same way. I think we are close to having the team we had in 2008, maybe in the summer when Keita joins, we sign another good DM and a GK who is as good as Reina then everyone will be feeling more optimistic.
       
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15637: Jan 09, 2018 11:00:24 am
      We deserved it yes, but keeping Solanke on and taking off Mane was ridiculous. -2 for that at least. He picked Migs as well who can't save anything. Static when they scored.  We've got no premier league games for a couple of weeks now. It's like a rest now. Let the fringe players have FA cup.
      In total agreeance with the Mane, point as well as "Let the fringe players have FA cup".especially as we are in the CL...Have always respected Wenger for doing just that...
      Hopefully this would help someone like Solanke. He does not seem to be progressing the way he should be. Yes he has had limited game time, but does not seem to be bringing anything from the training ground to the pitch. He should at know by now the runs that his team mate are likely to make... At this moment in time I can't see Solanke craving out a place for him self at Liverpool. Origi looked a better option.... In fairness to Migs, Great penalty stopper... sh*t at everything else but Great Penalty Stopper
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15638: Jan 09, 2018 11:18:58 am
      You do realise that Coutinho is not bigger than Liverpool Football Club, right? I'm hardly ecstatic about the timing but you are taking it to a whole new level. Would you not consider Van Dijk world class? After all, both City and Chelsea wanted him. What about Lemar? He has made his desire to join us abundantly clear, would you not consider him world class? After all, Arsenal want him. Keita? I suppose he's just Joe average? I'm hardly what you'd call Klopp's biggest fan but his ability to draw top class talent to this club is undeniable as it is demonstrable.
      I would have like to have kept Coutinho, had he wanted to stay, But that was the point, He did not want to stay... Now "IF" we use the money form the sell of Coutinho to bring in two or three players that are of the the same class in the receptive positions that Coutinho was in his then it was all worth it for me... Coutinho was one player, yes a great player, but he could have had a long term injury and become another Danial Sturridge... We would have to be real unlucky to bring in three players and that happen to all three... And remember we were scoring for fun early part of the season without Coutinho... Hopefully with Virgil we have taken a big step towards the real problem area of the field... Goal Keeper and strong defensive mid-field please
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      Re: Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager
      Reply #15639: Jan 09, 2018 11:19:21 am
      Thanks for the pick me up Diego lad.

      I dont get it? :D

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