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      Loris Karius (End of Contract)

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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1150: May 30, 2018 03:04:55 pm
      Still maintain that it was the Salah exit that actually cost us the game.  That's when we stopped playing.

      The first mistake was effectively cancelled out within 4 minutes and the 3rd goal didn't impact upon the result.

      If it had been 2-2 and looking like a competitive game when he let the 3rd goal in then it would be true to say he would have cost us the game.

      Karius' biggest mistake is that he did it in the biggest game he could.  But there are players in the Liverpool team who have made far more regular mistakes. 

      Let's not forget as well Zidane himself in the World Cup final.  Seems to have gotten over that now in his footballing career.



      What on earth are you talking about, it was 2-1 to them with 10 minutes left to play when he tried to punch a ball with both fists which had travelled 40 odd metres!! At 3-1 it was game over but not before.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1151: May 30, 2018 03:40:01 pm
      Everyone is upset about losing the CL final, and yes Karius made two errors leading to two goal, but he is hardly the first keeper to make errors that cost their team and country is he. Now some of these Keepers are rated the best in the world... and guess what they still F**k up on occasion.

      I saw a lot of good saves by Karius that night. Some brave stuff too. The more i think about this the more i believe we should get behind the lad...

      Sh!t happens some time
       
      Found this on YouTube. Bit long and the music is annoying, but these are mainly goal keepers that are now rated tops in the world and a few of them are here in the premier league at present and want by Barca, Real etc

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geO6cAfz-dY
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1152: May 30, 2018 05:31:34 pm
      So what? The same applies to United, or Spurs, or Chelsea, or City. They have solid Centre backs. That argument holds no more water than "Rodgers was only successful because of Suarez". Under that argument you may as well say De Gea is a pile of sh*t and is only any good because of United's defence, and that any goalkeeper can do a job there because of it.  It's spurious in the extreme.

      Statistically he was and there is no getting away from that. I however, am not suggesting he is, I'm suggesting that the argument that he's not talented is a false one. The point I'm making is he is talented and shouldn't be gotten rid of because of a knee jerk reaction to what happened on Saturday, but only on the basis of us finding someone better.

      No it means you are neglecting other part of the game that a GK holds. The statistics you posted are vague and misleading and doesn't paint the whole picture.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1153: May 30, 2018 06:31:29 pm
      Statistics show that Karius took his. Here is the case for why we shouldn't get rid of him based upon Saturday's game. Why a lot of the accusations being thrown at him right now are an extreme case of overreaction and entirely untrue. Accusation such as "he's a poor goal keeper" or "we don't have as good a Keeper as Chelsea, Spurs or City", or the best of the lot, "He's no better than Mignolet". It's utter crap. In the official Premier League Statistics for 2018, Karius is ranked 7th. On the face of things that doesn't sound too great, does it? I mean who wants the seventh best goalkeeper in the league when we want to challenge for the title and Europe, right? That's fair to say, however, look a bit deeper and you see he was actually ranked joint 4th. I know, I know, who wants the 4th best Keeper in the League when we're trying to challenge for silverware and the league title? Right? Only, let's look even deeper into the stats. Here is the top five goalkeepers in the league.

      1) De Gea
      2) Ederson
      3) Courtois/Lloris
      4) Petr Cech/Pope/Foster/Karius/Lössl/Ryan/Pickford
      5) Lukasz Fabianski

      Well at least we have a better goalkeeper than Arsenal and Everton. I suppose that's something. However, you have to remember that Karius only played from January. First of all what other Keeper played half a season? That's right, Simon 'Glue on my boots' Mignolet. What's his rank? 8th (adjusted for joint rankings). Furthermore, if we consider that he did only play half a season, and halve everyone else's score to reflect that, what is Karius's ranking? 1st. That's right, according to the official Premier League rankings, he's the best goalkeeper in the League, at least statistically.

      You know what they say, there are lies, damned lies and statistics, so let's look at this from a head-to-head perspective:

      Karius vs Lloris:

      Appearances: Karius 19/Lloris 36
      Clean sheets (across half a season): Karius 10/Lloris 7.5

      Karius vs Ederson:

      Appearances: Karius 19/Ederson 36
      Clean sheets (across half a season): Karius 10/Ederson 8

      Karius vs Courtois:

      Appearances: Karius 19/Courtois 35
      Clean sheets (across half a season): Karius 10/Courtois 7.5

      Karius vs De Gea:

      Appearances: Karius 19/De Gea 37
      Clean sheets (across half a season): Karius 10/De Gea 9

      And finally, the Keepers at our club, Karius vs. Mignolet:

      Appearances: Karius 19/Mignolet 19
      Clean sheets (across half a season): Karius 10/Mignolet 7

      So he's not only an upgrade on what we had at the beginning of the season, but bang goes the myth that we don't have as good a Keeper as Chelsea, Spurs or City. According to the statistics, we even have a better keeper than United, although I would say in terms of skill De Gea is in a league above, but then he doesn't have supporters baying for his blood every time he looks uncomfortable with a catch. In fact statistically, the only keeper better than him is Cech, but he is a veteran Keeper at the end of his career with a huge amount of experience behind him. And supportive supporters.

      Look, allow me to be clear. I am not for one moment suggesting he's better than De Gea, despite statistically being so, but the stats do speak for themselves when they demonstrate that the lad is nowhere near as bad as people make out, and that on a skill level, he is one of the best, indeed statistically the best in the league right now. Nor am I suggesting he shouldn't be sold, but if he is sold it should be because we have found a marked improvement for his position, the same way any player should be moved on if an upgrade can be found for them. To stand still in the market is the death of any club. What I am saying is that there has been a massive overreaction to his mistakes at the weekend and we do actually have a very good goalkeeper, albeit one that has been prone to mistakes, but mistakes can be coached out of him.

      All keepers make mistakes so personally, if he stays, I'm happy so long as his mistakes are not quite so glaring as throwing the ball on a strikers foot, and we know the club has looked for someone better and available and failed to find one. If he's sold, I'm happy so long as the replacement is a demonstrable upgrade and not the current flavour of the month with supporters. Either way, for now he is a Liverpool player and he is demonstrably a very good one so why don't we take the unusual step of actually getting behind the lad and helping him get past what happened, so he can continue being a very good keeper rather than the broken man he looked on Saturday.

      Sorry, mate. Stats do not show everything. He just failed in the biggest stage. No mercy and we should not show any mercy. It's harsh but that is the reality! I will support him till the last second but I hope that the last second was yesterday!
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1154: May 30, 2018 06:42:57 pm
      Sorry, mate. Stats do not show everything. He just failed in the biggest stage. No mercy and we should not show any mercy. It's harsh but that is the reality! I will support him till the last second but I hope that the last second was yesterday!

      I doubt very much Jürgen will agree with you I think he believes he can improve players .
      We got to the CL final with him or because of him or despite him and at 24 he is probably 4 or 5 years of his best years.
      I have no idea what the lad is like if he is strong enough to come back and get his place it will be some comeback.
      I am open minded because I don't think there are many goalkeepers these days that are risk free.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1155: May 30, 2018 06:44:01 pm
      Would be interesting to see the thoughts of the forum on whether you think Karius will be a Liverpool player next season or not.

      Personally I'm pretty sure he will and don't think Jürgen will get rid of him on the showing of one game, final or not.

      There is more of a debate if he'll be first choice next season though.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1156: May 30, 2018 06:53:16 pm
      With all due respect I have seen every single game this season and the two you mention most keepers make those.

      Maybe you need to go to Spec savers if you think they are anything except bread and butter for a professional EPL Keeper.
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      Reply #1157: May 30, 2018 07:38:38 pm
      Would be interesting to see the thoughts of the forum on whether you think Karius will be a Liverpool player next season or not.

      Personally I'm pretty sure he will and don't think Jürgen will get rid of him on the showing of one game, final or not.

      There is more of a debate if he'll be first choice next season though.

      Yeah I think Karius will be here and I think he'll start the season as number 1. Not as sure as others are that there will be a new keeper coming in this window. I think it will only happen if a good price can be negotiated. Can't see Alisson coming to be honest.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1158: May 30, 2018 07:54:07 pm
      Would be interesting to see the thoughts of the forum on whether you think Karius will be a Liverpool player next season or not.

      Personally I'm pretty sure he will and don't think Jürgen will get rid of him on the showing of one game, final or not.

      There is more of a debate if he'll be first choice next season though.

      Karius will be here next year. Klopp is pretty loyal and I think he'll see Karius at worst case as a viable backup.

      There will be a new #1 though, I'd almost guarantee it.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1159: May 30, 2018 08:37:34 pm
      Yeah I think Karius will be here and I think he'll start the season as number 1. Not as sure as others are that there will be a new keeper coming in this window. I think it will only happen if a good price can be negotiated. Can't see Alisson coming to be honest.

      I will be so annoyed disappointed and surprised if he starts next season.
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      Reply #1160: May 30, 2018 08:45:02 pm
      why be annoyed as long as he comes back stronger and does well I don't give a flying F**k they say what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. We may have the best goalkeeper possible in Karius so its Jürgen I trust to make that choice it will not be based on sentiment it will be if Jürgen feels he can do the job he wants him to do.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1163: May 30, 2018 11:58:49 pm

      Before I watch that file, Is it legal? :D
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      Reply #1164: May 31, 2018 02:31:17 am
      why be annoyed as long as he comes back stronger and does well I don't give a flying f**k they say what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. We may have the best goalkeeper possible in Karius so its Jürgen I trust to make that choice it will not be based on sentiment it will be if Jürgen feels he can do the job he wants him to do.

      Come back stronger in what regard, mentally, physically or technically because he needs improvement in all 3 departments. Why on earth persevere with an average good goalkeeper at the detriment of the team?
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      Reply #1165: May 31, 2018 03:16:58 am
      YNWA

      Watch "Loris Karius - Rise Up (Goalkeeper Motivation)" on YouTube
      https://youtu.be/H4eZsZzKlvc
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      Reply #1166: May 31, 2018 05:53:05 am
      YNWA

      Watch "Champion- Goalkeeper Motivation" on YouTube
      https://youtu.be/cK-MT-O120M
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1167: May 31, 2018 09:06:29 am
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      " I find amazing the lengths people are willing to go in their rethoric to deny the obvious."

      OK Two question for you... Were we under any real pressure before Salah was taken off..??

       And if Salah had been able to play on given to way we were bossing them do you feel that our defense would have held them..?

      Mate... say it 1-1 with up the f**k up is a bit simplistic..

      We may have defended to the 90 min mark and they score in added time..... The point was without Salah we were defending, and offering no real attack... That chance because instead of having to sit back to cover the threat of Mo, Marcelo was able to push forward, which in turn free up their mid fielders to get into the game

      That's irrelevant, really... we could have been under pressure the whole game, we still had the quality to attack and get a goal out of nowhere exactly like we did, even without Salah. What we could not have done without Salah was scoring 3 goals to overcome the massive fuckups of a goalkeeper.

      Of course Salah going off changed the game, but stranger things have happened and we always had a chance if we were able to cope with the pressure. As it happens the back four was doing a great job despite playing against a much superior midfield controlling the game. The only one unable to withstand the pressure was our dodgy keeper.

      Seriously I think even Karius' mum probably blames him for the defeat, 2 massive fuckups of the kind you rarely see in football, both in the same match, would already be shocking. But then he went and did exactly that also in the biggest club match of the world.

      If that had been LFC vs Palace no one would be wasting time creating excuses for Karius, people would just accept he fu**ed up and move on. But instead we see overanalysis to try and deny the obvious
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1168: May 31, 2018 09:22:45 am
      Come back stronger in what regard, mentally, physically or technically because he needs improvement in all 3 departments. Why on earth persevere with an average good goalkeeper at the detriment of the team?

      because goal keepers don't come with guarantee's they all cock up Karius decided to have his major cock ups in the biggest game possible.
      I trust Jürgen to make the right decision firstly for the club but also for the lads career we cant simply ditch him as damaged goods.
      I hope he stays and plays in the league and FA CUP games to keep him out of the firing line of snipers like Ratboy and his mates.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1169: May 31, 2018 09:24:10 am
      Before I watch that file, Is it legal? :D

      depends on what you think of Harry Seacombe..
      (that's going to confuse a few)
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1170: May 31, 2018 10:13:12 am
      because goal keepers don't come with guarantee's they all cock up Karius decided to have his major cock ups in the biggest game possible.
      I trust Jürgen to make the right decision firstly for the club but also for the lads career we cant simply ditch him as damaged goods.
      I hope he stays and plays in the league and FA CUP games to keep him out of the firing line of snipers like Ratboy and his mates.

      You talk as if Karius rarely makes errors but this is not true. Anyway why carry an average goalkeeper to protect his ego at the detriment of the team, is Karius really worth us jeopardising our success?
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1171: May 31, 2018 11:16:11 am
      Still maintain that it was the Salah exit that actually cost us the game.  That's when we stopped playing.

      The first mistake was effectively cancelled out within 4 minutes and the 3rd goal didn't impact upon the result.

      If it had been 2-2 and looking like a competitive game when he let the 3rd goal in then it would be true to say he would have cost us the game.

      Karius' biggest mistake is that he did it in the biggest game he could.  But there are players in the Liverpool team who have made far more regular mistakes. 

      Let's not forget as well Zidane himself in the World Cup final.  Seems to have gotten over that now in his footballing career.



      Would have been nice to go 1-0 up though.

      Clearly it doesn't work like that but still. A keeper making 2 mistakes for 3 goals will obviously lead to fingers being pointed.

      http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11390150/dietmar-hamann-questions-loris-kariuss-behaviour-after-champions-league-final-defeat

      Didis views on his countryman and pretty much where I'm at with the guy. He's achieved nothing but believes hes everything. Its hard to feel too sorry for someone like that. Felt the same way about Moreno when he was pissing about on his hoverboard.

      Got to question these peoples ability for self reflection and if they are truly capable of knuckling down and putting it right.
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      Re: Loris Karius Player Thread
      Reply #1172: May 31, 2018 12:03:40 pm
      Would have been nice to go 1-0 up though.

      Clearly it doesn't work like that but still. A keeper making 2 mistakes for 3 goals will obviously lead to fingers being pointed.

      http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11390150/dietmar-hamann-questions-loris-kariuss-behaviour-after-champions-league-final-defeat

      Didis views on his countryman and pretty much where I'm at with the guy. He's achieved nothing but believes hes everything. Its hard to feel too sorry for someone like that. Felt the same way about Moreno when he was pissing about on his hoverboard.

      Got to question these peoples ability for self reflection and if they are truly capable of knuckling down and putting it right.

      Find myself less and less interested in what Didi has to say for well over a year now, constantly writing us off or having a pop at someone at the club. What the hell does it matter if Karius has a personalised number plate for crying out loud, I’m sure he’s not the only one. Despite how bad the errors were, at least Karius accepted that and wasn’t hiding from that, was taking full responsibility, something Gerrard and the like was actually praising and they are far from Karius’ biggest fan...apparently not good enough for Didi.

      Pathetic, he’s made mistakes but don’t see what business it is of Didi to come in and start slating him for things like a number plate and using Ronaldos tag of CR7 to justify his point.

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