Georginio Wijnaldum - Newcastle

welcome to the club! 

 

£69M spent with £40M brought in so far, so assuming Allen, Benteke, Alberto etc are sold and maybe a LB brought in would be pretty near zero spend.

Yup the "Jürgen ITK's" are idiots.   

Where in the conversation did anyone mention 'Net' spend? We've been over this before but... you really do need to learn how to read things properly; it'll save you looking like a simpleton with a grudge.  Tut tut. 

Where did he mention 'Net' spend? We've been over this before but... you really do need to learn how to read things properly; it'll save you looking like a simpleton with a grudge. 

You need to stop acting like the Alf Garnett of the forum act your age instead of throwing insults at fellow reds at every opportunity.

There again you and Beerbelly do have plenty in common 

You need to stop acting like the Alf Garnett of the forum act your age instead of throwing insults at fellow reds at every opportunity.

Oh dear. 

How's about you quit your yammering and goading then? Was your snide comment on my health not insulting?

You goad me then mewl like a F***ing pansy when you get called. Seriously either man up or F**k up. You don't want to read what I have to say? Put me on ignore... it'll spare your delicate sensitivities and I'll reciprocate. 

You need to stop acting like the Alf Garnett of the forum act your age instead of throwing insults at fellow reds at every opportunity.

There again you and Beerbelly do have plenty in common 

Don't drag me into your squabble for being shown up as the dim Brum you are.

Oh dear. 

How's about you quit your yammering and goading then? Was your snide comment on my health not insulting?

You goad me then mewl like a f**king pansy when you get called. Seriously either man up or f**k up. You don't want to read what I have to say? Put me on ignore... it'll spare your delicate sensitivities. 

Seriously How am I goading you?
Your posts are full of rage and anger usually directed to fellow reds.

I merely pointed out relax.

It's best if You and I sir from now on will have no further communication.

Getting more and more excited about this one if he can fully recover his PSV days. Although 11 goals in 38 games in a pretty weak side is certainly a great record for a CM/AM bedding into the EPL, his PSV days were truly pointing toward a potential superstar.

Confident that Klopp can do a real job with him. More than anything I'm interested in seeing where he fits into the plans in our lineup though.

Sensible signing is this, last season our options from midfield were limited to say the least and not just in numbers, the options we have now are tantalising, obviously rotation is key, replacing like for like we shouldn't lose momentum, we have more versatility too with most of our lads having the ability to fit comfortably into any position from in front of the back 4 and even up top,

This is another piece in Jürgen's jigsaw, whether Wij is a replacement for Dahoud or Goetze doesn't matter, like bigMick says it's a signing who won't need a settling period, has experience of EPL footy, and of course the expertise of Jürgen and his team to enhance his all round play, folk are saying he is lazy, well he would be playing for a side doomed to relegation, so mindsets would be very low along with moral, put the same player in a thriving 'Kick Ass' confidant outfit you have a different animal,

As has been said before, we don't need Big Marquee acquisition's just the right fit, with the right attitude, and we will be absolutely fine,

This is effectively the first window of the Klopp era, and I must say the excitement in me is building, with yet one or two to come in we are already seeing a different animal to that of last season, with TPM we were toothless in midfield, weak at the back, had no real threat up front, square pegs in round holes, no cohesion, no feel of togetherness, heading nowhere......now look at us.....

Solid at the back, a confidant keeper, strong in midfield, and potentially lethal up front, a desire and will to win, a togetherness, and a never say die attitude, we're fitter, stronger and better equipped, can't wait now for that season opener at the Emirates, I got a great feeling we're going to surprise a few this season........
........Bring it on...


YNWA

S@int fighting S@int, which one wins ?



YNWA

Sensible signing is this, last season our options from midfield were limited to say the least and not just in numbers, the options we have now are tantalising, obviously rotation is key, replacing like for like we shouldn't lose momentum, we have more versatility too with most of our lads having the ability to fit comfortably into any position from in front of the back 4 and even up top,

This is another piece in Jürgen's jigsaw, whether Wij is a replacement for Dahoud or Goetze doesn't matter, like bigMick says it's a signing who won't need a settling period, has experience of EPL footy, and of course the expertise of Jürgen and his team to enhance his all round play, folk are saying he is lazy, well he would be playing for a side doomed to relegation, so mindsets would be very low along with moral, put the same player in a thriving 'Kick Ass' confidant outfit you have a different animal,

As has been said before, we don't need Big Marquee acquisition's just the right fit, with the right attitude, and we will be absolutely fine,

This is effectively the first window of the Klopp era, and I must say the excitement in me is building, with yet one or two to come in we are already seeing a different animal to that of last season, with TPM we were toothless in midfield, weak at the back, had no real threat up front, square pegs in round holes, no cohesion, no feel of togetherness, heading nowhere......now look at us.....

Solid at the back, a confidant keeper, strong in midfield, and potentially lethal up front, a desire and will to win, a togetherness, and a never say die attitude, we're fitter, stronger and better equipped, can't wait now for that season opener at the Emirates, I got a great feeling we're going to surprise a few this season........
........Bring it on...


YNWA

Couldn't agree more Billy.

I see a lot of folks discussing where he fits and it is a quandary but the quandary only exists because we are signing such exciting and versatile players. To me Wijnaldum is clearly the backup option to Zielinski, when I watched the Zielinski vids I saw a player who could play central but I suggested might be even better on the right of a 3. Wijnaldum has exactly the same profile, he can do either.

As for the label of lazy when you're scoring 11 goals and 5 assists in a team that only managed 44 goals in the league then you're contributing more than your fair share. What I like most is the two footed technical skill he has, very comfortable in possession in tight areas, forward thinking and another talent to harness. His shots on target ratio is phenomenal for a midfielder too.

Delighted.

Couldn't agree more Billy.

I see a lot of folks discussing where he fits and it is a quandary but the quandary only exists because we are signing such exciting and versatile players. To me Wijnaldum is clearly the backup option to Zielinski, when I watched the Zielinski vids I saw a player who could play central but I suggested might be even better on the right of a 3. Wijnaldum has exactly the same profile, he can do either.

As for the label of lazy when you're scoring 11 goals and 5 assists in a team that only managed 44 goals in the league then you're contributing more than your fair share. What I like most is the two footed technical skill he has, very comfortable in possession in tight areas, forward thinking and another talent to harness. His shots on target ratio is phenomenal for a midfielder too.

Delighted.

Exactly mate, his versatility was key in Jürgen bringing him in, either side in a mid 3, in behind a striker, in a central position, that's 4 positions he'd be comfortable in, I bet he could even play as alone striker if required too, excellent purchase, and like yourself ,  Delighted !


YNWA

Don't drag me into your squabble for being shown up as the dim Brum you are.

Stick to the news thread Oswald there must be some immigrant stories for you to show your colours.

£69M spent with £40M brought in so far, so assuming Allen, Benteke, Alberto etc are sold and maybe a LB brought in would be pretty near zero spend.

Yup the "Jürgen ITK's" are idiots.   

Quick question and a genuine one. Is NET spend ok to talk about again? I know it became a subject people forgot all about when Brendan was manager, "He spunked 300 million" never concerned itself with money received from sold players.

I personally hope we bring it back onto the agenda, it's always made sense to me in a market where you buy and sell things (in this case players) to consider both sides of the ledger. I always took it when people did the "he spunked 300 million" line that they were simply revealing an agenda rather than them necessarily being too thick to understand a "cash in/cash out" situation. I did read somebody on about it today again (might have been yesterday) and that's how I've always had that particular poster down anyway.

So lets credit each other with having a little intelligence. NET spend DOES matter, and my guess is that by the end of the window Jürgen/FSG will have spent the best part of bugger all. Here's hoping that some of Rodgers players aren't so bad after all. 

Quick question and a genuine one. Is NET spend ok to talk about again? I know it became a subject people forgot all about when Brendan was manager, "He spunked 300 million" never concerned itself with money received from sold players.

I personally hope we bring it back onto the agenda, it's always made sense to me in a market where you buy and sell things (in this case players) to consider both sides of the ledger. I always took it when people did the "he spunked 300 million" line that they were simply revealing an agenda rather than them necessarily being too thick to understand a "cash in/cash out" situation. I did read somebody on about it today again (might have been yesterday) and that's how I've always had that particular poster down anyway.

So lets credit each other with having a little intelligence. NET spend DOES matter, and my guess is that by the end of the window Jürgen/FSG will have spent the best part of bugger all. Here's hoping that some of Rodgers players aren't so bad after all. 

Exactly.

There's a big difference between adding 300m of talent to your squad than replacing 300m worth of talent.

Quick question and a genuine one. Is NET spend ok to talk about again? I know it became a subject people forgot all about when Brendan was manager, "He spunked 300 million" never concerned itself with money received from sold players.

Net and gross are always valid arguments but as always should be put in context.

So lets credit each other with having a little intelligence. NET spend DOES matter, and my guess is that by the end of the window Jürgen/FSG will have spent the best part of bugger all. Here's hoping that some of Rodgers players aren't so bad after all.

This is where it gets muddy Mick.

I think Brendan benefited massively from the sales of Suarez and Sterling, players he inherited rather than bought, so offsetting them against his spend doesn't sit too well with me as the credit for those purchases obviously belong elsewhere. I don't see Jürgen benefiting in a similar fashion, there aren't many that he could earn £50m on in the £300m that Brendan spent, so the playing field is hardly level. If he does go on to sell an Origi or an Ings for £40m or so I'd revisit my assessment but by and large I think Brendan was a very poor purchaser and the 'assets' at the club will be lucky to realise their original investment price even in this massively inflated market.

Exactly.

There's a big difference between adding 300m of talent to your squad than replacing 300m worth of talent.

Or replacing 300m with 200m worth  that you paid  300m for

If you look at the Holland vs. Costa Rica match at the 2014 World Cup, he clearly plays central midfield for the Dutch national team.
Here is the technical report: http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/02/40/03/33/eng_59_0705_ned-crc_tacticalstartlist.pdf

Had the 3rd highest number of passes attempted and percentage completed in that game, playing 120 minutes.

Video highlights. He is #20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbSat2JK5Es

 

I think we should stick with the tried and tested way of judging Managers transfers.

Managers we no longer like get judged on gross spend while managers we like get judged on net spend. Obviously use of the words pissed away or invested should only be used where appropriate.

Something about having an abundance of players for attacking positions: Is it safe to reason that the intensity of a team's pressing is going to subside the longer a match goes on? Wouldn't the option of making a couple of subs at the key pressing positions (front 4 or front 6) for the final 20-30 minutes be fairly advantageous for a side, maybe even more than normal compared to a non-pressing style? Of course that's on top of the normal advantage of having depth to deal with injuries, suspensions, drops in form. I mention not so much about Wijnaldum, but regarding questions re Firminho or Lallana, or even Origi and Ings, and not getting games if they are not in the first XI and we are not playing in  Europe. Add to that how infrequently a team ends up using the same lineup over the course of the season anyway, and there's really no down side to having some additional players to choose from.

I think we should stick with the tried and tested way of judging Managers transfers.

Managers we no longer like get judged on gross spend while managers we like get judged on net spend. Obviously use of the words pissed away or invested should only be used where appropriate.

  Got it.

by and large I think Brendan was a very poor purchaser and the 'assets' at the club will be lucky to realise their original investment price even in this massively inflated market.

This, all day long. Brendan's team management / tactics didn't loose him his job (back 3 with wing backs aside). He was completely out of his depth when looking at the top end of the transfer market.

This, all day long. Brendan's team management / tactics didn't loose him his job (back 3 with wing backs aside). He was completely out of his depth when looking at the top end of the transfer market.

Mate Rodgers is long gone, as has my desire to discuss him at any length. I was just wondering if NET spend was/is back on the agenda. I'm happy it is, it should be.

Medical tomorrow, 25m fee.

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