Liverpool 1-1 Chelsea: In game and Post Match discussion

Flopp cost us the game with that sh** decision to bring on a mid after the goal, should of been mane, firminho etc.

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DeanoLFC   He flopped big time.   In topic   Today at 08:08:23 pm

The sad thing for me is, if Chelsea score first they see out the lead. The defensive problems need solving ASAP or this will keep happening!

Until the root cause is confronted our deficiencies at the back will cost us points, how many F***ing seasons does this have to go on?

If Mignolet stopped waiting until the next century to come around and moved his feet when the ball comes towards him we'd be talking about how Klopp expertly managed to get us through without having to use our top line of attackers. Sadly Klopp has too much trust to realise that certain players out there will continue to let him down miserably and because he continues to start them I suppose, in the end, it all falls down on his shoulders.

People. People,People...Klopp can take little blame for this... Chelsea fielded a team that could beat most in the premier league and are only one of two team that Imo' has real game changes on their bench (the other being Man City) Klopp does not have that on his bench... I think Chelsea gave us more respect than we deserved and i'm glad that did

I think he doesn’t care. Suarez and Carra will. They’ll feel hurt and come back with a revenge.

This guy just gets on with life. I strongly believe. Doesn’t get affected by any of this sh*te. What a great character.

You know that for a fact eh ?

Flopp cost us the game with that sh** decision to bring on a mid after the goal, should of been mane, firminho etc.

Behave your F***ing self.

If we win at Stoke due to fresh Mané, Gini, Lallana and Firminho I'll be alright with Klopp's decision. Maybe he figured he had a better chance to beat Stoke than Chelski and saved his ammo?

Still, how can we play so fearful and defensive after we scored? For the second time! In modern football a 1-0 is merely an invitation to sit back and prepare for coutner attacks. But we did nothing, we just bombed the balls out of our box to the next Chelski player. When Chelski scored we went back to play our normal style football, but then it was too late. 

Damned if he does.. Damned if he doesn't.
If he brings on an attacking player, then he needs to learn to manage games better. If he brings on  a mid, then he has no tactical nous.

I don’t see it quite that way. I see his issues being when he brings them on. Why does he always wait until something happens to be reactive? Why not coach proactive? He’s a funny guy and his attacking style is awesome to watch. But there are some tactical short comings there that a lot of people ignore. There is also some arrogance to his personality that bleeds over into our results. VVD was the only “Klopp” CB on the market this year. How scary is the thought that Van Dijk was the only player in Klopps eyes that was worthy of improving our defense? From an unskilled stupid American I have seen about 15 that could have had Lovern picking splinters out his ass all season.

People. People,People...Klopp can take little blame for this... Chelsea fielded a team that could beat most in the premier league and are only one of two team that Imo' has real game changes on their bench (the other being Man City) Klopp does not have that on his bench... I think Chelsea gave us more respect than we deserved and i'm glad that did

There is some truth to it. They played better football than us. I was impressed how clean and simple and effective they played. In that regard we can be happy with the draw, but then we led and we were at home....

Migs has earned his stripes to be blamed. To put it simply, he asked for it. Whether or not it’s really his fault at this stage. Our basis? He has cost us enough points. Even the premier league. He’s heading down the road of no return.

Finally an admission of bias. Appreciate the honesty.

Hamann at his age now would have done a better job defending our goal compared to hendo and the rest that strolled in the last 10 minutes of the game.

Until the root cause is confronted our deficiencies at the back will cost us points, how many f**king seasons does this have to go on?

Until the manager, whoever that may be, realises that until we have a solid defence, it doesn't matter how many goals we score, we are liable to concede.

Hamann at his age now would have done a better job defending our goal compared to hendo and the rest that strolled in the last 10 minutes of the game.

Oh for Didi and Henchoz now!

Was important not to lose but the win would have been massive for us, it really would have, plus that would have been four in the bounce. Unfortunately we seem destined never to be able to defend a lead when the game gets tight. If Jürgen could just figure it out we'd be a force to be reckoned with in the EPL and Europe as well.

Until the manager, whoever that may be, realises that until we have a solid defence, it doesn't matter how many goals we score, we are liable to concede.

When the manager whoever that may be is given the spondoolies to address the problem that costs us points after points, game after game nothing will change.

I don’t see it quite that way. I see his issues being when he brings them on. Why does he always wait until something happens to be reactive? Why not coach proactive? He’s a funny guy and his attacking style is awesome to watch. But there are some tactical short comings there that a lot of people ignore. There is also some arrogance to his personality that bleeds over into our results. VVD was the only “Klopp” CB on the market this year. How scary is the thought that Van Dijk was the only player in Klopps eyes that was worthy of improving our defense? From an unskilled stupid American I have seen about 15 that could have had Lovern picking splinters out his ass all season.

In terms of only numbers, as far as points won from leading position is concerned,  last season was the second best season for us in the past 20 years . And, we were second best after Chelsea in the number of times that we led in a game. While I understand where you are coming from, it is also important to note that you dont fix until its broken. In a majority of the games, we have dominated and led teams and hence there was no real reason to effect a change.

I don't want to get into Vvd debate partly because of the discussions that have happened already and partly because I believe that the owners might have offered 5 Fiats instead of a Ferrari like they did to Rodgers after Suarez was sold.

As far as the arrogance bit is concerned all top managers have that. Rafa had that too which costed us points.

When the manager whoever that may be is given the spondoolies to address the problem that costs us points after points, game after game nothing will change.

Well, according to Jürgen, the owners back him financially, no matter what. Now, I am not prepared to call either Jürgen or our owners liars, because I do not have the inside information to make that sort of judgement. I have trouble believing that Jürgen would put up with the shenanigans some believe is going on! We should thank the Lord, Moshiri doesn’t own us!!

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ok, I will bite ,     Jk , maybe, put Mane on earlier to make them think more about defence, rather than attack, it might have give our pisspoor midfield another option.  Can you not see that,   2 points lost again?

We're still in the midst of a pretty solid run here Yano people, 10 points for the last 12 in the league and a win or draw to qualify for the last 16 in Europe. Could be a lot worse. Yes there are some issues but the way some of you react and hold forth in here recently makes me not want to come onto this forum given the ferocity of some of the criticism.

ok, I will bite ,     Jk , maybe, put Mane on earlier to make them think more about defence, rather than attack, it might have give our pisspoor midfield another option.  Can you not see that,   2 points lost again?

I would have like to have seen that that 5-10 mins after we scored tbh, that or Firmino to hold the ball up and help with the midfield battle.

In terms of only numbers, as far as points won from leading position is concerned,  last season was the second best season for us in the past 20 years . And, we were second best after Chelsea in the number of times that we led in a game. While I understand where you are coming from, it is also important to note that you dont fix until its broken. In a majority of the games, we have dominated and led teams and hence there was no real reason to effect a change.

I don't want to get into Vvd debate partly because of the discussions that have happened already and partly because I believe that the owners might have offered 5 Fiats instead of a Ferrari like they did to Rodgers after Suarez was sold.

As far as the arrogance bit is concerned all top managers have that. Rafa had that too which costed us points.

Your VVD point is valid and for all I know exactly how it “really” went down. Fair enough. Still think it is bonkers that no other players were rumored to be signed when every little thing is speculated about on social media outlets. Kind of makes me think that we didn’t see the need, but again I’m speculating. As far as the reactive / proactive thing goes I do feel as though that can be done if you have the balls to do it. Two things could have been done after Salahs goal. One Klopp instructs the boys to sit back and defend, maybe even go with 3 in the back with Gomez. The second is you bring Mane and Lallana in right than and make Chelsea hesitant to get forward and keep them defending. No matter if you agree or disagree with my strategy, the one thing I think most can agree on his how Klopp misuses subs. He has subbed the same day since day one. In tight close games it really hurts us as the lads have no time to get into the game and get their legs and tempo going before the final whistle blows and points are lost before they have a chance to get em back.

When we went up all his thoughts were to defend the lead but with no one to hold the ball up it just kept coming back . He hoped we would break hence Salah up top. But again if Mane and say Firminho Chelsea would have been more wary where I think it just told them to attack as it was only going to be the odd rare attack to repel. Horse bolted at 1-1 and subs no time to impact

Well, according to Jürgen, the owners back him financially, no matter what. Now, I am not prepared to call either Jürgen or our owners liars, because I do not have the inside information to make that sort of judgement. I have trouble believing that Jürgen would put up with the shenanigans some believe is going on! We should thank the Lord, Moshiri doesn’t own us!!

The manager has backed his employers time after time, even when the facts make it a contradiction.
It maybe some obscure principle Klopp has about loyalty to a club he holds dear and a belief that any unprofessional conduct be it directed at LFC or it's owners is a serious dereliction of duty on his part.

Klopp appears to be a man of principle and the above would accommodate that label.