Liverpool withdraw from proposed European Super League

I don't think it's that they played along, I think it's the way they did it and not taking the temperature of those involved. Let's not forget that every significant player on this team basically gave a collective FU to FSG over this. Not often do employees tell their employers to sod off when there could be serious and irreparable repercussions. In fact, I'd say there's not a real good feeling in the locker room towards the ownership of the club. That's probably even more important right now as to where the club goes....if the manager and players aren't on board with the club's ownership, it's only going to make it tougher for the club to move forward in a productive and successful way.

I mean these ESL clubs basically tried to push this through while fans aren't even allowed in the stadium. You don't think they did that on purpose, figuring there'd be no way for fans to unite in their outcry? No ability to bring banners, to chant during the game, to stage walkouts, etc......

They knew what they were doing, it was underhanded and dirty and they would still be staying the course had the backlash not been so bad. So don't kid yourself that they will try something else underhanded again if they think there's a way they can get away with it.

I don't really disagree but did the other 12 owners guage the reaction of their fans either? Pretty sure they didn't and one of them is Agnelli who's family have owned Juve for about 100 years.

My point is of someone is content enough with FSG I don't think this latest scheme would be enough of a mistake as to make them change their mind on them.

I don't really disagree but did the other 12 owners guage the reaction of their fans either? Pretty sure they didn't and one of them is Agnelli who's family have owned Juve for about 100 years.

My point is of someone is content enough with FSG I don't think this latest scheme would be enough of a mistake as to make them change their mind on them.

Well and obviously that's true.

Although I was content enough with them before this, but after this, I'm of the belief they need to go. I'm typically one to show a lot of grace and to try and wait and see all the facts before I pass my own judgement but this time I've already seen all I need to know. To me this was too much. Just 48 hours ago they were seemingly ready and willing to use the Nuclear option of taking us out of PL and CL and taking our players out of International competitions (even though I don't think that would have happened, they were still willing should it have happened) just to join this league where they would be guaranteed more money with no need to ever really strengthen because we could never be kicked out. Let's be honest, this was their wet dream....self sufficiency and it doesn't matter if we ever won again because we would always be locked in and the payments would always keep coming as long as at least a few of the clubs that were in it continued to be huge draws.

Well and obviously that's true.

Although I was content enough with them before this, but after this, I'm of the belief they need to go. I'm typically one to show a lot of grace and to try and wait and see all the facts before I pass my own judgement but this time I've already seen all I need to know. To me this was too much. Just 48 hours ago they were seemingly ready and willing to use the Nuclear option of taking us out of PL and CL and taking our players out of International competitions (even though I don't think that would have happened, they were still willing should it have happened) just to join this league where they would be guaranteed more money with no need to ever really strengthen because we could never be kicked out. Let's be honest, this was their wet dream....self sufficiency and it doesn't matter if we ever won again because we would always be locked in and the payments would always keep coming as long as at least a few of the clubs that were in it continued to be huge draws.

Mic drop.

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I actually thought that was a pretty genuine apology from the Owner, I'd still like to understand better why they decided to go for the Super League though, what forced their hand or motivated them, hopefully it wasn't just pure greed.

You lost all respect when I asked whether FSG should still be our owners and you said yes.

Then you will have no need to respond to me in the future will you.


Imagine Liverpool not respecting people’s right to have an opinion about the club - and they want to point fingers at the owners. Maybe look in the mirror one day.

I actually thought that was a pretty genuine apology from the Owner, I'd still like to understand better why they decided to go for the Super League though, what forced their hand or motivated them, hopefully it wasn't just pure greed.

Really? You can’t be that naive

It was sheer corporate cover up, he’s not sorry about anything and he very smartly took the blame solely on himself, a man who very rarely comes to Liverpool but clears of blame for example Hogan who is the CEO and based in the country

You telling me Billy Hogan as CEO had no knowledge or input? If that’s the case he’s in the wrong job
Of course he knew but by taking that blame solely himself he has tried to hide it from the people on the ground

Then you will have no need to respond to me in the future will you.


Imagine Liverpool not respecting people’s right to have an opinion about the club - and they want to point fingers at the owners. Maybe look in the mirror one day.

If you said the sun newspaper was a decent read or that the tories were boss then I’d say the same thing.  And what FSG did this week is up there with sh*te like that.

So your opinion and ‘respect’ can F**k off mate.

Well and obviously that's true.

Although I was content enough with them before this, but after this, I'm of the belief they need to go. I'm typically one to show a lot of grace and to try and wait and see all the facts before I pass my own judgement but this time I've already seen all I need to know. To me this was too much. Just 48 hours ago they were seemingly ready and willing to use the Nuclear option of taking us out of PL and CL and taking our players out of International competitions (even though I don't think that would have happened, they were still willing should it have happened) just to join this league where they would be guaranteed more money with no need to ever really strengthen because we could never be kicked out. Let's be honest, this was their wet dream....self sufficiency and it doesn't matter if we ever won again because we would always be locked in and the payments would always keep coming as long as at least a few of the clubs that were in it continued to be huge draws.

Ok but still I'm a little puzzled.

You're happy with FSG up until now, which suggests you got over the other times they have tried to get away with doing things the fans don't like, then they go along with this and the other clubs.

What element of what they have done over the years makes you so shocked and surprised they also were involved in this?

I'm not one bit surprised they have had their hands in this but I'm not naïve enough to think that whoever wines us at this point wouldn't have done exactly the same thing.

For me the entire game and it's structure is on its arse and that is a much wider issue of which owners of football clubs, FSG included, are part of a much bigger problem that needs addressing.

If you said the sun newspaper was a decent read or that the tories were boss then I’d say the same thing.  And what FSG did this week is up there with sh*te like that.

So your opinion and ‘respect’ can f**k off mate.

Think that sums up your age and mentality

Really? You can’t be that naive

It was sheer corporate cover up, he’s not sorry about anything and he very smartly took the blame solely on himself, a man who very rarely comes to Liverpool but clears of blame for example Hogan who is the CEO and based in the country

You telling me Billy Hogan as CEO had no knowledge or input? If that’s the case he’s in the wrong job
Of course he knew but by taking that blame solely himself he has tried to hide it from the people on the ground

Actually the smart play would be to throw someone under the bus, like Man Utd did, It takes a lot of courage and integrity to accept fault and that is what Henry did. I am unhappy in FSG's actions regarding the Super League but I still consider them good owners, just imagine if we had Abramovich, Klopp would have been sacked sometime in February during our slump.

Think that sums up your age and mentality

I’m 33 mate. Probably older than you.

You’re a Tory from Chester and I think that sums up your mentality.

Really? You can’t be that naive

It was sheer corporate cover up, he’s not sorry about anything and he very smartly took the blame solely on himself, a man who very rarely comes to Liverpool but clears of blame for example Hogan who is the CEO and based in the country

You telling me Billy Hogan as CEO had no knowledge or input? If that’s the case he’s in the wrong job
Of course he knew but by taking that blame solely himself he has tried to hide it from the people on the ground

Truth prob a bit in the middle -

I think the apology is as genuine as you get with businessmen these days within the sport

There is no doubt that others within the club knew but he is willing to take it all on himself to potentially try and divert flak from the club itself

Think that sums up your age and mentality

He'll be telling us he supports free speech next ;-)

Isn't it weird how much hate socialists have for other people, it never ceases to amaze me.

I don't really disagree but did the other 12 owners guage the reaction of their fans either? Pretty sure they didn't and one of them is Agnelli who's family have owned Juve for about 100 years.

My point is of someone is content enough with FSG I don't think this latest scheme would be enough of a mistake as to make them change their mind on them.

I love how the Italians just laid low and were completely silent through all of this.  Tons of media and commentary on all of the English and Spanish sides, but the Italians just sat back and waited to see how things unfolded.  Sneaky fuckers...   

In seriousness -- I just hope we can ride this wave of fan power to push FIFA/UEFA and the FA to impose some regulations to help curb the ridiculous spending and help increase competition from top to bottom in the Prem.  These groups were banging on about "sporting integrity" as the primary opposition to the ESL plan -- put your money where your mouth is and do something to help maintain sporting integrity in European footie.  The reality is that 20 years ago Chelsea and City were small clubs.  A couple billion dollars later and they are statistical favorites for the Prem title on an annual basis.  We all loved the Leicester miracle a few years back -- do something to help ensure that can still happen again. 

See, you've just proven the point. The counter argument to FSG is just nonsense.

As if you would be happy with Mike Ashley, and as if you would be happy with any other half professional owner who won't invest in the club and help us to be successful. Klopp didn't wave a magic wand. He got the backing of FSG who put a lot into this club and have brought us the ultimate success - breaking the Premier League hoodoo.

What is the point in loving football and supporting Liverpool FC if you are content with History and watching us jostle around in mid table, winning the odd game, and no trophies...

People are speaking out of emotion right now, so "i rather have Mike Ashley", who has completely destroyed Newcastle and had it relegated once already, is just hot smoke.

Actually the smart play would be to throw someone under the bus, like Man Utd did, It takes a lot of courage and integrity to accept fault and that is what Henry did. I am unhappy in FSG's actions regarding the Super League but I still consider them good owners, just imagine if we had Abramovich, Klopp would have been sacked sometime in February during our slump.

F***ing hell you’d be made up with that with all the names you call him and accuse him of

You’d suit them mate, knee jerk naive weirdos 😉

Saudi Royal Family ? They are looking for a club

I said any so yes proving they pass the usual format for owning a football club.

People are speaking out of emotion right now, so "i rather have Mike Ashley", who has completely destroyed Newcastle and had it relegated once already, is just hot smoke.

Another who doesn’t grasp sarcasm 

Not surprised. Doesn’t understand basic football either.

I love how the Italians just laid low and were completely silent through all of this.  Tons of media and commentary on all of the English and Spanish sides, but the Italians just sat back and waited to see how things unfolded.  Sneaky fuckers...   

In seriousness -- I just hope we can ride this wave of fan power to push FIFA/UEFA and the FA to impose some regulations to help curb the ridiculous spending and help increase competition from top to bottom in the Prem.  These groups were banging on about "sporting integrity" as the primary opposition to the ESL plan -- put your money where your mouth is and do something to help maintain sporting integrity in European footie.  The reality is that 20 years ago Chelsea and City were small clubs.  A couple billion dollars later and they are statistical favorites for the Prem title on an annual basis.  We all loved the Leicester miracle a few years back -- do something to help ensure that can still happen again. 

Especially when apparently Agnelli was the biggest voice behind this all.

I’m 33 mate. Probably older than you.

You’re a Tory from Chester and I think that sums up your mentality.

Actually 49 - Christ I’m 50 in a couple of weeks , been going to games for 40 years , never voted Tory in my life , was at Hillsborough and lost a friend there.


Do you want to carry on -or crawl back to the hole you came from

Actually 49 - Christ I’m 50 in a couple of weeks , been going to games for 40 years , never voted Tory in my life , was at Hillsborough and lost a friend there.


Do you want to carry on -or crawl back to the hole you came from

Then you should be even more ashamed.

All well and good saying you want FSG to sell, but we're not worth 300 odd million anymore. Anyone who wants to buy us will either have to be oil money or Glazer style profiteers who will leverage our club with debt.

At least with FSG, the profit they're after will come with the eventual sale, there's no need for them to do what the Glazers have done to Man United, or what H&G tried to do to us.

Feeling very pessimistic about it all, this is a stain which won't go away anytime soon.

Actually the smart play would be to throw someone under the bus, like Man Utd did, It takes a lot of courage and integrity to accept fault and that is what Henry did. I am unhappy in FSG's actions regarding the Super League but I still consider them good owners, just imagine if we had Abramovich, Klopp would have been sacked sometime in February during our slump.

An owner like Abramovich is what people in this forum want. Someone who owns Liverpool as a toy and just throws money at it when he's in the mood. Then from the other side of their mouth they are also calling Chelsea plastics and how they and City have ruined the league, etc. All this while supposedly hating "capitalism".

The hypocrisy is off the charts.