Liverpool 2-2 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion

Don’t know about quicker, was always going to be taking a touch in that situation, I feel it was more a case of the effort being a bit too tame and casual. Needed him to just leather it and make sure.

If he leathers it his leg takes longer to strike the ball and more chance of being blocked if anything he had to just poke it quickly after the control to get it away before the block

Been injured for 3 years though. Yet they want to give him a new deal and let our most reliable midfielder walk out to psg for free.

Keita couldn't lace wijnaldums boots any day of the week.

Chamberlain has always suffered with injuries. Thiago I'm not too sure ... he was assaulted at goodison last season and was lucky it was only 3/4 months.

We are light on quality in midfield ... no doubt about it.

You're right; losing Elliott was a big blow - yes, he's still a youngster, but he was beginning to really pull the strings there before he got injured

Gutted about the Fabinho chance at the end. Think that would’ve been enough.

Yep, that would have made it 3-2. 

You don't win the title in October, but you can certainly be out of it. We're in the pack at the top and need to rack up the 3 pointers after the break.

Chelsea will definitely be the happiest having played the Spurs, Arsenal away, City, and Liverpool away.

Any team would lack creativity in midfield with their best 3 playmakers not playing.

Who are these 3 playmakers mate?

Thiago yes ... are you saying an 18 year old kid who has played 3 games is in that bracket? You can say Trent but he is a full back ... a full back we have no cover for. I mean what top team goes into a season with no cover for one of its best players?

We miss wijnaldum but thats just a tin of beans I don't want to open. Sheer stupidity letting him go.

Probably a fair result. I thought we were going to pip them at the post in the second half, but we had a very poor showing for the first 45. De Bryune got a bit lucky, and Fab should have buried it first time, but overall should be happy with a point.

Two of them injury prone and we knew this

Keita should of been on his injury record is irrelevant when he is clearly fit . Klopp chose not to and that's fine but I don't agree with it

Exactly. And that's why the Brentford result was so disappointing and irritating. There are very few circumstances where a result like that is acceptable. It was very much akin to the 3-3 result against Watford on the opening day of the 2017-2018 season.

At the moment, our balance is very much akin to that season. Goals galore and chances aplenty but a little open at the back. I'm wondering if that's a strategic change from Jürgen this season, to be a bit more attack minded. We really are creating shitloads of chances this season.

It might just be. You also have to remember VVD was out for a very long time and like we said when he had just been injured you have to expect it will take him about half a season to get back to the level he was before the injury. To come back to your point, any tactical tweaks take time for the team to really master it and so if we keep getting results and stay relatively healthy then come January time we could be in a good position with a ripe team.

In the mean time we need to make sure the Brentford result does not repeat once again. One thing I'll say is we sure miss Thiago and Elliott who are the 2 players in that midfield who seem to have an undeniable calming presence on the ball with an eye for the pressure relieving pass. Last week's game would've been wrapped up 2 times had we somebody in midfield that could calm/stop the incessant back and forth we were engaged in. I'm excited to see Thiago back soon (hopefully).

Who are these 3 playmakers mate?

Thiago yes ... are you saying an 18 year old kid who has played 3 games is in that bracket? You can say Trent but he is a full back ... a full back we have no cover for. I mean what top team goes into a season with no cover for one of its best players?

We miss wijnaldum but thats just a tin of beans I don't want to open. Sheer stupidity letting him go.

Still can’t believe we lost him on a free - this was the perfect game for Wijnaldum

Another Sky narrative nothing mentioned at all about Silva who was booked does exactly same as Milner on touchline with about 6 mins to go . Did they go back and look at it or are they looking at it on the analysis are they F**k

It might just be. You also have to remember VVD was out for a very long time and like we said when he had just been injured you have to expect it will take him about half a season to get back to the level he was before the injury. To come back to your point, any tactical tweaks take time for the team to really master it and so if we keep getting results and stay relatively healthy then come January time we could be in a good position with a ripe team.

In the mean time we need to make sure the Brentford result does not repeat once again. One thing I'll say is we sure miss Thiago and Elliott who are the 2 players in that midfield who seem to have an undeniable calming presence on the ball with an eye for the pressure relieving pass. Last week's game would've been wrapped up 2 times had we somebody in midfield that could calm/stop the incessant back and forth we were engaged in. I'm excited to see Thiago back soon (hopefully).

Absolutely. For all the individual qualities of Hendo, Jones and Fab, not one of them provides that natural on the ball calmness as you say. We lacked a mentronomic presence the last week or so. But, all things considered I think Jürgen has done a good job navigating it all with what we have.

Fab, Hendo and Jones started the game, and finished it.
Even though they looked tired, and hanging on at the end, Jürgen didn't sub any of them.
Says a lot about what Jürgen thinks about our midfield options, for the big games anyway.

I'm not gonna critisize any of the 3 of them, Citeh can be excellent and keep the ball really well and run the legs out of you, and our lads are putting a lot of miles on the clock. Actually glad of the Intl break for once.

Not looked back on here but I'd be surprised if anyone didn't think Milner for Gomez at HT should've happened. It cost us when they equalised and it should've cost us again but we got away with one.

If we turn up first half and that change happens quicker we win the game. The Milner for Gomez decision not happening sooner is, unfortunately, all on Klopp.

Just seen a replay of Pep kicking off after the Milner tackle on Silva and, unbelievably, I like Mike Dean a little bit on the back of it

Who are these 3 playmakers mate?

Thiago yes ... are you saying an 18 year old kid who has played 3 games is in that bracket? You can say Trent but he is a full back ... a full back we have no cover for. I mean what top team goes into a season with no cover for one of its best players?

We miss wijnaldum but thats just a tin of beans I don't want to open. Sheer stupidity letting him go.

Thiago, Keita, and Elliott are our 3 best playmaking midfielders, and Trent is our best playmaker overall as he ranks first in chances created, assists, balls into the box, etc. Elliott might be 18 but Klopp clearly trusts him more than some of our other options.

Still can’t believe we lost him on a free - this was the perfect game for Wijnaldum

The amount of money and length of contract he got from PSG was never going to be feasible for us.

You win some, like Matip and Milner on free's, and you lose some, like Can and Wijnaldum. The club made the right decision, as it's better to let players walk than have massively overpaid aging squad players.

Thiago, Keita, and Elliott are our 3 best playmaking midfielders, and Trent is our best playmaker overall as he ranks first in chances created, assists, balls into the box, etc. Elliott might be 18 but Klopp clearly trusts him more than some of our other options.

Keita one of our best playmakers 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hes great at going missing and being injured ... not much else. Should have been shipped out the past 2 summers.

Elliot has played 3 games.

And you say Jürgen thinks an 18 year old is one of his better options? Well who's fault is that then ... not withstanding the fact we didn't do anything to keep one of our best and most reliable midfielders.

Happy with the point today. Not a great sign that though is it. Dropped points at home to them and Chelsea now. But that was a point gained today. They are superior to us all round ... look at the creativity and quality they had sat on the bench.

Klopp doesn't want to use his squad players it seems. What does minamino have to do to get any game time ... wait for the league Cup to roll round?

Keita one of our best playmakers 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hes great at going missing and being injured ... not much else. Should have been shipped out the past 2 summers.

Elliot has played 3 games.

And you say Jürgen thinks an 18 year old is one of his better options? Well who's fault is that then ... not withstanding the fact we didn't do anything to keep one of our best and most reliable midfielders.

Happy with the point today. Not a great sign that though is it. Dropped points at home to them and Chelsea now. But that was a point gained today. They are superior to us all round ... look at the creativity and quality they had sat on the bench.

Klopp doesn't want to use his squad players it seems. What does minamino have to do to get any game time ... wait for the league Cup to roll round?

Just to be clear I'm not saying that our group of playmakers are amazing... Just that Thiago, Keita, and Elliott are our best 3 midfield playmakers. Do you think Ox and Jones are better than any of that trio?

Yes Elliott only played 3 games, but he showed far more in those 3 games, especially against Chelsea, than Jones showed today.

I get that Keita is injured too often, but his ability to drive with the ball and press off the ball still make him a useful player when he's on form. The issue with him is that he's rarely fit.

Midfield collectively were very poor but maybe not surprising as it was their 3rd game in a week. Really could have done with some fresh legs in that second half.

No point having those bench options if Klopp doesn’t trust them, which is a issue as Hendo and Fab will eventually break down.

2-2 FT. Ultimately, a fair result between two quality sides.

You'd never guess that with the amount of moaning sh*te on here though.

Ridiculous, isn't it? Cracking game between two of the best sides the league has ever seen. If only people would just appreciate the fact they are watching a good game of football rather than the turgid sh*te the likes of Chelsea and the mancs put on show each weekend.

Yes, we were particularly poor for half an hour during that first half. This is a City side though which had only conceded one goal and 5 shots on target in the seven games they played prior to playing us. We scored twice. We are the only team in the league that can go toe-to-toe with this lot and have the courage to go at them. Of course it's disappointing to lose a lead twice and both goals were avoidable, but rather than shitting on our own players, applaud the opposition and just admit that the likes of Foden and Bernardo Silva are absolute quality. City will always create chances against any team, certainly when they're on it like they were today.

The vast majority of the people on here wanted Milner subbed off at half time for Gomez. Yet Milner was instrumental in us getting a foothold in that second half and improved massively. The lad is 35 years old and has seen it all. He has been on a yellow so many times in tough games for us. How many times has he actually seen a red though? He knows what he is doing and so does Klopp. Have a little faith in the lads out there on the pitch, just like Klopp has. Yet armchair Joe wanted him gone. How did Gomez get on that second half?

The other discussion about midfield options is getting boring too. Klopp had two fit midfielders on the bench and decided against subbing any of them on. He had plenty of options to shake things up (Firmino as a #10 with Jota up top, Keita or Ox on for any of the three out there). He clearly preferred the three on the pitch and just because airmchair Joe thinks otherwise, that doesn't mean it's actually the right call. The kneejerking in here during the game hit all time highs.

Ridiculous, isn't it? Cracking game between two of the best sides the league has ever seen. If only people would just appreciate the fact they are watching a good game of football rather than the turgid sh*te the likes of Chelsea and the mancs put on show each weekend.

Yes, we were particularly poor for half an hour during that first half. This is a City side though which had only conceded one goal and 5 shots on target in the seven games they played prior to playing us. We scored twice. We are the only team in the league that can go toe-to-toe with this lot and have the courage to go at them. Of course it's disappointing to lose a lead twice and both goals were avoidable, but rather than shitting on our own players, applaud the opposition and just admit that the likes of Foden and Bernardo Silva are absolute quality. City will always create chances against any team, certainly when they're on it like they were today.

The vast majority of the people on here wanted Milner subbed off at half time for Gomez. Yet Milner was instrumental in us getting a foothold in that second half and improved massively. The lad is 35 years old and has seen it all. He has been on a yellow so many times in tough games for us. How many times has he actually seen a red though? He knows what he is doing and so does Klopp. Have a little faith in the lads out there on the pitch, just like Klopp has. Yet armchair Joe wanted him gone. How did Gomez get on that second half?

The other discussion about midfield options is getting boring too. Klopp had two fit midfielders on the bench and decided against subbing any of them on. He had plenty of options to shake things up (Firmino as a #10 with Jota up top, Keita or Ox on for any of the three out there). He clearly preferred the three on the pitch and just because airmchair Joe thinks otherwise, that doesn't mean it's actually the right call. The kneejerking in here during the game hit all time highs.

You may not like it but the Arm chair Joes have a right to their opinion because otherwise there would be no forum!

Ridiculous, isn't it? Cracking game between two of the best sides the league has ever seen. If only people would just appreciate the fact they are watching a good game of football rather than the turgid sh*te the likes of Chelsea and the mancs put on show each weekend.

Yes, we were particularly poor for half an hour during that first half. This is a City side though which had only conceded one goal and 5 shots on target in the seven games they played prior to playing us. We scored twice. We are the only team in the league that can go toe-to-toe with this lot and have the courage to go at them. Of course it's disappointing to lose a lead twice and both goals were avoidable, but rather than shitting on our own players, applaud the opposition and just admit that the likes of Foden and Bernardo Silva are absolute quality. City will always create chances against any team, certainly when they're on it like they were today.

The vast majority of the people on here wanted Milner subbed off at half time for Gomez. Yet Milner was instrumental in us getting a foothold in that second half and improved massively. The lad is 35 years old and has seen it all. He has been on a yellow so many times in tough games for us. How many times has he actually seen a red though? He knows what he is doing and so does Klopp. Have a little faith in the lads out there on the pitch, just like Klopp has. Yet armchair Joe wanted him gone. How did Gomez get on that second half?

The other discussion about midfield options is getting boring too. Klopp had two fit midfielders on the bench and decided against subbing any of them on. He had plenty of options to shake things up (Firmino as a #10 with Jota up top, Keita or Ox on for any of the three out there). He clearly preferred the three on the pitch and just because airmchair Joe thinks otherwise, that doesn't mean it's actually the right call. The kneejerking in here during the game hit all time highs.

Milner should have walked end of so why if people who could see that coming and called for the change wrong .

The other discussion about midfield options is getting boring too. Klopp had two fit midfielders on the bench and decided against subbing any of them on. He had plenty of options to shake things up (Firmino as a #10 with Jota up top, Keita or Ox on for any of the three out there). He clearly preferred the three on the pitch and just because airmchair Joe thinks otherwise, that doesn't mean it's actually the right call. The kneejerking in here during the game hit all time highs.

Keita or AOC coming on against Citeh, in that game.  Sorry, no thanks armchair Joe, think that was the right call from him

You may not like it but the Arm chair Joes have a right to their opinion because otherwise there would be no forum!

Nothing against people having an opinion and I'm well aware that the reason for a forum is to discuss opinions. However, calling our own players cu*ts and the like is just completely unnecessary and I don't consider the constant kneejerking and sh*te from some people as an 'opinion' when all they are doing is stirring sh*t. Salah10 being the prime example.