Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

As strong as possible.
Play the kids against Shrewsbury if we have to

Won't need to play many kids I would.expect against Shrewsbury
Alison
Williams
Gomez
Matip
Tzimikas

Morton
Milner
Jones

Bobby
Gordon
Taki/Origi

I think the midfield is a big problem for us now. We used to have tons of energy in there but those levels seem to have dropped to me. Has Hendo lost his legs now? I was never a huge admirer of his footballing ability but always respected the miles he put in for the team for others to flourish but I don’t even see that from him nowadays. He was poor again today.

We miss Gini.  Jürgen wants to have a settled team, but that only works when the core group of players are regularly fit and available -- Gini could always be counted on in that regard.  We really are missing that reliable water carrier in the engine room. 

Title gone by 2nd Jan but we can’t be too harsh on the lads, it’s miracle we are still right up bearing the crumbs that Jürgen has at his disposal.

I think the problem is multi faceted.  It is true that FSG need to invest more.  However, it is also true that no one should be expected to match City's spending.  It's so frustrating to hear the FA, FIFA, and UEFA all whinge about sporting integrity at the suggestion of a breakaway league, only to do F**k all to curb the spending of teams like Chelsea, City, and PSG -- they are the ones truly making a mockery of sporting integrity in football.....

Still have the CL and cups to play for.  Hopefully we can land some silver this season. 

Cheers

Don't think people are looking for glamour, or 100mill signings like Citeh and Chavs have.

Just maybe giving Jürgen SOME more money to invest in new players. To have a policy of constant improvement. So that you're not left with a squad that needs wholesale work. One player came in this summer.

Yes, Gini did decide to leave - and wasn't replaced [Elliot is a kid]

11 points behind Citeh now.  Hope we can close the gap, but the odds are lengthening, and defending FSG must be getting a bit more difficult.

Klopp has spent some money - how the hell did all those players arrive into the club

The squad doesn’t need “wholesale” work ffs

Yes we are behind City but ffs we can’t use a team with unlimited budget as a benchmark - we can’t compete with that and have to spend within the clubs means - we don’t have cash rich owners with bundles in the bank ready to spend on players , the club hasn’t worked that way

 City aside this would be a good result, they are ruining football. Just wish Pep would f**k off to Barca and rebuild them, thought he might show a bit of compassion in their hour of need. But as they are skint he’s going to stay with the sheiks.

I don’t think anyone is arguing “against” strengthening the team

Agree.

No one has ever done so as far as I can see.

F*ck this, back to Spiderman

What we are all witnessing now is the lack of investment that should have been made in the last two summer windows, FSG policy isn’t going to work if your stands lie empty on a match day, what I can’t get my head around is they are businessmen first and foremost but yet fail to have the wherewithal to invest where their model of investment ceased to exist, even if they were to dig deep into their own considerable wealth knew that any personal investment would be returned in due course, speculate to accumulate and all that,

I don’t suppose any of us know the real ins and outs of whatever happens between the boardroom and the accounts department but surely even they can see that our current squad is in the midst of their twilight years and perhaps need to be aware that, the longer they leave it the more expensive it will become.



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City aside this would be a good result, they are ruining football. Just wish Pep would f**k off to Barca and rebuild them, thought he might show a bit of compassion in their hour of need. But as they are skint he’s going to stay with the sheiks.

That’s sums it up - if you take away City who have financially cheated to make the playing field uneven then it would be a great battle with Chelsea - but because they have been allowed to do what they have then any time needing to challenge needs to be perfect and they need city to drop their level , it’s going to be tough

Klopp has spent some money - how the hell did all those players arrive into the club

The squad doesn’t need “wholesale” work ffs

Yes we are behind City but ffs we can’t use a team with unlimited budget as a benchmark - we can’t compete with that and have to spend within the clubs means - we don’t have cash rich owners with bundles in the bank ready to spend on players , the club hasn’t worked that way

I don’t think anyone is saying we can compete financial wise with the other two but surely to god we can’t carry on with a midfield with nothing going for it. And  I mean nothing it’s embarrassing . Are you happy with it be honest with yehself . One just one top class ball player with vision an a bit of bite in him I’d settle for . Henry has to put his hand in his pocket I’m afraid he makes enough off the bleedin franchise side of it and the fkn members cards and whatever else theve introduced. But he’s not arsed as long as him an his mate Lebron show there face now and again give a little wave to the whoppers and do one back the States . If anyone is saying there sound with what we’ve got then im afraid for the support of our great team .

The squad doesn’t need “wholesale” work ffs

Keep yer hair on, not saying it needs wholesale work now.
Just that squads without adequate and consistent investment end up having to do that.

Keep yer hair on, not saying it needs wholesale work now.
Just that squads without adequate investment end up having to do that.

And there is the crux - who decides what’s “adequate”

Each year goes by they add to the squad - both with players to strengthen , players for the future and some back up

For some that’s not enough

And there is the crux - who decides what’s “adequate”

Each year goes by they add to the squad - both with players to strengthen , players for the future and some back up

For some that’s not enough

I'm not going back years. Just this summer. When we signed one player and let a lot more than that go. For me that is not enough.

Elliot is a kid]

Agreed but so was Owen. If you’re good enough, you’re old enough and Elliott more than looked the part until his injury.

If we’d paid X amount for Elliott last summer then people would’ve been raving about him rather than saying he’s just a kid. Same if Bellingham was signed (for example)

I'm not going back years. Just this summer. When we signed one player and let a lot more than that go. For me that is not enough.

We signed Konate and then brought back Elliot and Taki back into the squad. Gini was the one main player to leave plus Shaqiri

I think the problem is multi faceted.  It is true that FSG need to invest more.  However, it is also true that no one should be expected to match City's spending.

Don't think anyone expects FSG to match Citeh's spending.
Just maybe Jürgen more than he currently has, as he's shown he can make a lot from a little.

Also hope we can get some silverware this year

Don’t worry guys fifa will sort this with FFP

That’s sums it up - if you take away City who have financially cheated to make the playing field uneven then it would be a great battle with Chelsea - but because they have been allowed to do what they have then any time needing to challenge needs to be perfect and they need city to drop their level , it’s going to be tough

I totally agree, but then you have the argument that being so close (to these certain clubs and we all know who they are) that if you dip into further resources, you could beat them which would be superhuman achievement. Not just the once. They are just not interested enough other than the profit, which is normal but not what we all really want

Don’t worry guys fifa will sort this with FFP

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Guess if you can’t laugh what can you do

I totally agree, but then you have the argument that being so close (to these certain clubs and we all know who they are) that if you dip into further resources, you could beat them which would be superhuman achievement. Not just the once. They are just not interested enough other than the profit, which is normal but not what we all really want

What profit ?

And the club is self sufficient beyond that would need relying on finance from loans

That was a weird game. On one hand it seem d like we were constantly under pressure and were maybe lucky to get a point. On the other hand it also left me thinking we really should have gotten 3 points.

Great goal by Mane but he was pretty wasteful with a lot of his possession other than that. Jota as well. He seems to be having a bit of a blip.

Midfield worked hard but sometimes it’s not really about how hard you work but how smart. We still seemed to be having trouble completing passes that normally we would complete.

Missing a bit of Robbo’s bite as well I feel like.

I guess at the end of the day, disappointed we didn’t win but the point is something anyway.

And there is the crux - who decides what’s “adequate”

Each year goes by they add to the squad - both with players to strengthen , players for the future and some back up

For some that’s not enough

It isn’t enough though mate, that’s as plain as day, up until this season we have competed, as things are financially that is no longer viable, the FSG mantra of only putting back in what is earned has run its course, nobody is saying we need to match what City, Chavs and no doubt Newcastle will invest, but we have to spend a hell of a lot more than what we have so far,

It’s commendable that what we have achieved with the current budget, but if you want to continue to dine at the big table we need to be eating steak rather than spam !

What profit ?

And the club is self sufficient beyond that would need relying on finance from loans

I know that mate. They are loaded. There are different ways

Agreed but so was Owen. If you’re good enough, you’re old enough and Elliott more than looked the part until his injury.

If we’d paid X amount for Elliott last summer then people would’ve been raving about him rather than saying he’s just a kid. Same if Bellingham was signed (for example)

Maybe should take this to the FSG thread, but the argument was made that Elliot coming in kinda equalised Gini/Shaq leaving. Elliot is a very promising kid, not doubt, and I do think if yer good enough yer old enough, but would be good to have a season under his belt at the top level.
Gini was already a Klopp regular for lots of years, played LOTS of games, was the 3rd guy with Hendo/Fab, and is a different player to Elliot.

Don't even think it's about Gini specifically, don't want to get bogged down on him - it's more about investing in the squad 'to a level' that will allow Jürgen to freshen things up, consistently improve, to try and compete with the best.