José "Pepe" Reina (Liverpool -> Bayern Munich -> Napoli)

Reina would rather Liverpool receive nothing for him, so that he can keep his £100k pw wages, Liverpool want him to drop his wages, so that they can get some money for him.

One argument would be why should we pay him £100k pw when no one else seems willing to? While the other argument is if we are forced to pay him £100k pw we may as well use him. Save whatever money we are paying Jones (sorry Brad)and let Pepe and Mignolet compete for the shirt.

Sadly I think the only real option is the Aquilani solution .... agree that part of Pepe's wages comes out of the fee (which becomes basically a free transfer) and just take the hit.

I presume the contract termination would mean we would have to pay Pepe a lump sum.

does everyone have 1 or 2 seasons memory,?
seriously pepe was of to barca, that was 99% certain then there keeper did a u-turn and said he stay another year!
pepe was gone in his mind, jumping ship and( obviouly not, looking at these comments) every supporter knew, as well the players around him, and the boss knew it!
 thats the main,only reason! brendan wants people commited to the cause end of!

That said: moving Pepe on (even for free) saves the club £11.5m and that's the actual point I was making in response to your observation that "we seem very keen just to ship him out the door for nothing". To the club it's not "nothing", if you catch my drift.

Indeed.

Saving that massive wages is why we will let him go for 'nothing' but you're right in real terms the club will save a fortune.

I'm not so sure it's totally financial in Pepe's case Mouse.

May be wrong but it's a feeling I've always had that Brendan doesn't quite rate Pepe as much as some of us.

BR might also carry a grudge about what Pepe said after going on loan.
It would seem odd to me that such a people focused person would carry a grudge like that, but that's how it appears.

BR might also carry a grudge about what Pepe said after going on loan.
It would seem odd to me that such a people focused person would carry a grudge like that, but that's how it appears.

Maybe to show who's boss to the others Swab.

Maybe to show who's boss to the others Swab.

Maybe. It's as good a reason as any.

Sadly I think the only real option is the Aquilani solution .... agree that part of Pepe's wages comes out of the fee (which becomes basically a free transfer) and just take the hit.

As you know s@int, the word I often used when describing the Aquilani situation was "clusterfuck".

You'd like to think the club would have learned from it. To believe that; when you [the club/Brendan/whoever] make it painfully obvious that you don't want a player and you need to off-load him then no F***ing club is going to bust a gut to pay good money; not when they can get the player on the cheap but this particular clusterfuck...

If it does nothing else should put paid to the 'theory'/'school of thought' that we would end up optimising Pepe's sell on fee by lending him to Napoli.   

I think you may have hit the nail on the head here as Mignolet if I remember correctly is on 40K a week and Reina is on 110K a week or something absurd like that.

It's a mentality thing. If you don't have the correct mentality under this manager you can forget it

Reina would rather Liverpool receive nothing for him, so that he can keep his £100k pw wages, Liverpool want him to drop his wages, so that they can get some money for him.

One argument would be why should we pay him £100k pw when no one else seems willing to? While the other argument is if we are forced to pay him £100k pw we may as well use him. Save whatever money we are paying Jones (sorry Brad)and let Pepe and Mignolet compete for the shirt.

Sadly I think the only real option is the Aquilani solution .... agree that part of Pepe's wages comes out of the fee (which becomes basically a free transfer) and just take the hit.

I presume the contract termination would mean we would have to pay Pepe a lump sum.

It is sad mate that we are talking about such a great servant to LFC in such a way ie comparisons to the Aquilani debacle and ''taking a hit'' with regard to him leaving.
 Money is devoid of sentiment and loyalty.

As you know s@int, the word I often used when describing the Aquilani situation was "clusterfuck".

You'd like to think the club would have learned from it. To believe that; when you [the club/Brendan/whoever] make it painfully obvious that you don't want a player and you need to off-load him then no f**king club is going to bust a gut to pay good money; not when they can get the player on the cheap but this particular clusterfuck...

If it does nothing else should put paid to the 'theory'/'school of thought' that we would end up optimising Pepe's sell on fee by lending him to Napoli.   

Yeah, I used the Aquilani solution as a way of emphasizing the difference between just getting nothing for the player and terminating his contract which would mean not only do we get nothing for the player but we have to also pay him a lump sum to leave.

Sometimes a clusterfuck is the cheaper option

It is sad mate that we are talking about such a great servant to LFC in such a way ie comparisons to the Aquilani debacle and ''taking a hit'' with regard to him leaving.
 Money is devoid of sentiment and loyalty.

It's all about the money now mate. I think both sides know that the only solution is that Pepe leaves, it is just about who pays and how much now.


 

They're good points but I do think there must be something we don't know about the Reina situation as Rodgers isn't stupid enough to know that Reina is at least worth a punt as number two ahead of Jones.

We can blame it solely on money but I don't think that would have denied him a half between the sticks in the US.

He has made his bed and is now lying in it is most probably the view point BR has taken. Those comments when he moved to Napoli sealed his fate.

Looks like further proof that he is definitely not in BR's plans, his reported refusal to moderate his wage demands increasingly points to financial issues.
That being the case the involvement of his agent comes into question; we all know what self-interested, grubby b***ard, greedy individuals they are who generally put short term reward before anything else, to the detriment of the player.

Maybe something to that!

Reports today saying that Stevie has bought Pepe's Ibiza apartment for £400k.

No matter what the grievances is or are between Brendan & Pepe, I'm not particularly fond of the way Brendan is ostracizing and publicly humiliating a fellow human being. What was the point of even taking him on tour?

I'm not particularly fond of the way Brendan is ostracizing and publicly humiliating a fellow human being.

It's hardly the crime of the century mate and just maybe Brendan is trying to prove a point after Pepe's exit Napoli last summer.

It's hardly the crime of the century mate and just maybe Brendan is trying to prove a point after Pepe's exit Napoli last summer.

I know. But it is somewhat childish and petulant don't you think?

What is it with LFC managers and goalies?

Brendan & Pepe
Rafa & Dudek
Houllier & Westerveld

I LOVE Pepe... But it's time to move on, would be disappointed if he'd happily sit on his wage on the bench instead of wanting to move for a pay cut. I'm in support of BR here

I LOVE Pepe... But it's time to move on, would be disappointed if he'd happily sit on his wage on the bench instead of wanting to move for a pay cut. I'm in support of BR here

but he will not be on the bench will he.
His contract has a value to it so why should he settle for any less.Also Luis made the same noises about moving away last season but BR was happy for him to stay. If BR doesn't want him the club should let him go and deal with the financial issues surrounding his contract as it cannot be good for his team mates to see him marginalized like this.

All the best managers have a ruthless edge. Reina was totally out of order with his "letter to the fans" before he went on loan, and Brendan doesn't look like he's going to forgive him. Any player who disrespects Liverpools manager can do one IMHO. Don't p!ss about with the boss, I agree with Brendan.   

Any player who disrespects Liverpools manager can do one IMHO. Don't p!ss about with the boss, I agree with Brendan.   

I agree Mick and as much as I've loved Pepe over his time here the boss is the boss for me and I've no problem with him exerting his authority when he feels it's needed.

I agree Mick and as much as I've loved Pepe over his time here the boss is the boss for me and I've no problem with him exerting his authority when he feels it's needed.

I'm not having a dig mate, just curious as to what your feelings are when a manager makes matters personal - a la Houllier & Fowler.

Because this certainly feels personal and questions will inevitably be asked as to why Brendan didn't give Suarez the same treatment.     

I'm not having a dig mate, just curious as to what your feelings are when a manager makes matters personal - a la Houllier & Fowler.

Because this certainly feels personal and questions will inevitably be asked as to why Brendan didn't give Suarez the same treatment.     

I'm not sure it's 100% a personal issue but more that Brendan doesn't rate Pepe anywhere near as highly as some of us do. Just a feeling I have with no real evidence to back it up.

I'm not sure it's 100% a personal issue but more that Brendan doesn't rate Pepe anywhere near as highly as some of us do. Just a feeling I have with no real evidence to back it up.

I guess we'll all have to wait for when Pepe's bio comes out then

All the best managers have a ruthless edge. Reina was totally out of order with his "letter to the fans" before he went on loan, and Brendan doesn't look like he's going to forgive him. Any player who disrespects Liverpools manager can do one IMHO. Don't p!ss about with the boss, I agree with Brendan.   

Didn't Luis do the same thing though last season .I think the issue is this, Brendan can decide if he wants a player or not but taking him to the USA just doesn't feel right.

Didn't Luis do the same thing though last season .I think the issue is this, Brendan can decide if he wants a player or not but taking him to the USA just doesn't feel right.

What would you do with him Walt?

Pepe is in our squad and getting paid by us so for now he has to go to the US as far as I'm concerned.