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      Reply #3542: Nov 13, 2016 05:54:21 pm
      Fantastic. Another race restart on the way followed by 10 laps of a safety car procession only for them to be brought back in again.
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      Reply #3543: Nov 13, 2016 05:55:31 pm
      Get Bridgestone back into the sport!
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      Reply #3544: Nov 13, 2016 05:58:00 pm
      I think we should be looking at Pirelli personally. 

      Of course safety is paramount but if the tyres are supposed to be for wet conditions then they should work in wet conditions. 
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      Reply #3545: Nov 13, 2016 06:03:03 pm
      I think we should be looking at Pirelli personally. 

      Of course safety is paramount but if the tyres are supposed to be for wet conditions then they should work in wet conditions. 

      What is annoying is the very small number of laps that the cars have been allowed to race at under full racing speed. As Brundle noted - these tyres aren't built to go at a leisurely pace behind the safety car.
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      Reply #3546: Nov 13, 2016 06:09:15 pm
      What is annoying is the very small number of laps that the cars have been allowed to race at under full racing speed. As Brundle noted - these tyres aren't built to go at a leisurely pace behind the safety car.

      Yep.  Let them race and sort it out amongst themselves and let the tyres do the job they should do.

      And there you go - bye bye Nico.
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      Reply #3547: Nov 13, 2016 06:46:16 pm
      How fabulous from the teams there towards Massa.  Enjoy your retirement Felipe  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:
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      Reply #3548: Nov 13, 2016 07:22:17 pm
      How fabulous from the teams there towards Massa.  Enjoy your retirement Felipe  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:

      Lovely touch that...

      Max the wet master...
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      Reply #3549: Nov 13, 2016 07:45:51 pm
      What can you say about Verstappen? Arguably one of the best drives I've ever seen. I so wanted Nico to have a DNF to make it spectacular finish in two weeks time. NIco to finish 4th and a Hammy win will do nicely  ;D
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      Reply #3550: Nov 13, 2016 08:16:22 pm
      That was a supreme drive from Verstappen at the end there. Ok - he was on much fresher rubber than the rest of them but Ricciardo was as well and he finished 9 seconds back in 8th place.

      I think Hamilton was unbeatable though. On a level playing field he was more than a match for Verstappen when the Dutchman ran second after the first safety car period and the gap he pulled out on Rosberg in open racing in that stint before Ericsson binned it (at 20 seconds) and in the last stint (over 10 seconds) was quite significant. He must have been the only driver out there to not spin or go off. A fully deserved victory. Both he and Rosberg did unbelievably well to keep their minds focused after the numerous interruptions. Underlines the class of that team.
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      Reply #3551: Nov 13, 2016 08:16:39 pm
      So it looks like Rosberg will win the title after Red Bull's strange decision to put Verstappen on intermediates which then forced them to go back to full wets. I can't see Rosberg finishing 4th or less. Great drive by the young lad today, my driver of the day for sure.

      Majorly disappointed with McLaren today, that car just did not want to be there.
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      Reply #3552: Nov 13, 2016 10:03:16 pm
      Fair F***ing play to Hamilton. Engine failures aside he should be champion this year.
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      Reply #3553: Nov 13, 2016 11:42:17 pm
      What a finish.
      Mad race.
      So many bad calls made that it could have been another catastrophic race,
      but that drive from Verstappen was sensational.
      Great to see the title going down to the final race.
      Hamilton has been impressive these last few races.
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      Reply #3554: Nov 15, 2016 04:20:21 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37987396

      Ron Dennis's time at McLaren coming to an end after being forced out by shareholders.
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      Reply #3555: Nov 15, 2016 04:47:45 pm
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37987396

      Ron Dennis's time at McLaren coming to an end after being forced out by shareholders.

      Not such a bad thing mate, we need a shake up at the team to get us back competing again.  It's been a long time since we had a competitive car and seeing us down the rankings board, way behind the new boys Red Bull and Mercedes is not good reading.

      Hopefully we'll get a real winner back in charge and get the British teams back at the forefront of engineering.
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      Reply #3556: Nov 15, 2016 06:00:34 pm
      Not such a bad thing mate, we need a shake up at the team to get us back competing again.  It's been a long time since we had a competitive car and seeing us down the rankings board, way behind the new boys Red Bull and Mercedes is not good reading.

      Hopefully we'll get a real winner back in charge and get the British teams back at the forefront of engineering.

      No, not a bad move at all and probably overdue. He's done incredible things for that team but one drivers champion since the start of this century and no constructors title really says it all doesn't it? I fear it's more of a cultural thing at McLaren than anything else. Martin Whitmarsh didn't do much better when he headed up the f1 side of things in that company for a few years. Sadly his decency in allowing Brawn GP to use Mercedes engines proved to be their undoing given the German giants swift takeover of that team at the end of 2009. But it's probably crucial to point out that while Dennis was away from the f1 front for a few seasons he was still the chairman of the company as a whole so the capacity for change is much bigger on this occasion.

      Totally agree with you about getting them back to the forefront of British engineering. Ok, past champions Mercedes, Red Bull and Renault have all been based in and headed by British talent but that they've raced under other nations flags sort of clouds the reality however unfair.

      What's the toughest pill to swallow is that the talent has always been there for McLaren but they've been the victim of a brain drain. That inability to hold on to their talent (even going as far as Lewis Hamilton who decided to flee the nest) suggests there is a culture there that McLaren employees don't particularly warm to. Take the immensely talented Paddy Lowe who is lauding it over at Mercedes now. Then you look at Nicholas Tombazis about a decade ago, a man who contributed to the design of a brilliant (but fragile) McLaren in 2005 that almost won the title for Kimi but left to take up a role at Ferrari contributing to the championship winning cars of 2007 and 2008. And of course the classic example is Adrian Newey who left not long before Tombazis to take up the reigns at Red Bull. He's since cited a lack of freedom and trust from the top of McLaren that caused him to do this.

      Undoubtedly a great in f1 history particularly when you look at the supreme dominance of McLaren in the late 80s when they were spearheaded by Prost and Senna. The first few years with Mercedes and that magnificent team with Hakkinen and Coulthard was another iconic period and maybe his finest achievement was uncovering Hamilton much to the sports' benefit. Sadly the argument is there that he probably stayed around a decade too long.

      I've never doubted the engineering capabilities of the team but their partnership with Honda makes me worried given how much Honda made a mess of their last venture into f1 after taking over BAR and proceeding to build two of the worst cars I can ever remember with their 2007 and 2008 efforts. Remember that one? With the awful 'earth' paint job.
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      Reply #3557: Nov 15, 2016 06:55:38 pm
      No, not a bad move at all and probably overdue. He's done incredible things for that team but one drivers champion since the start of this century and no constructors title really says it all doesn't it? I fear it's more of a cultural thing at McLaren than anything else. Martin Whitmarsh didn't do much better when he headed up the f1 side of things in that company for a few years. Sadly his decency in allowing Brawn GP to use Mercedes engines proved to be their undoing given the German giants swift takeover of that team at the end of 2009. But it's probably crucial to point out that while Dennis was away from the f1 front for a few seasons he was still the chairman of the company as a whole so the capacity for change is much bigger on this occasion.

      Totally agree with you about getting them back to the forefront of British engineering. Ok, past champions Mercedes, Red Bull and Renault have all been based in and headed by British talent but that they've raced under other nations flags sort of clouds the reality however unfair.

      What's the toughest pill to swallow is that the talent has always been there for McLaren but they've been the victim of a brain drain. That inability to hold on to their talent (even going as far as Lewis Hamilton who decided to flee the nest) suggests there is a culture there that McLaren employees don't particularly warm to. Take the immensely talented Paddy Lowe who is lauding it over at Mercedes now. Then you look at Nicholas Tombazis about a decade ago, a man who contributed to the design of a brilliant (but fragile) McLaren in 2005 that almost won the title for Kimi but left to take up a role at Ferrari contributing to the championship winning cars of 2007 and 2008. And of course the classic example is Adrian Newey who left not long before Tombazis to take up the reigns at Red Bull. He's since cited a lack of freedom and trust from the top of McLaren that caused him to do this.

      Undoubtedly a great in f1 history particularly when you look at the supreme dominance of McLaren in the late 80s when they were spearheaded by Prost and Senna. The first few years with Mercedes and that magnificent team with Hakkinen and Coulthard was another iconic period and maybe his finest achievement was uncovering Hamilton much to the sports' benefit. Sadly the argument is there that he probably stayed around a decade too long.

      I've never doubted the engineering capabilities of the team but their partnership with Honda makes me worried given how much Honda made a mess of their last venture into f1 after taking over BAR and proceeding to build two of the worst cars I can ever remember with their 2007 and 2008 efforts. Remember that one? With the awful 'earth' paint job.

      Yep somethings have gone badly wrong since those halcion days mate, hard to say what though but all that malarky about spying on other teams didn't help and as you say the braindrain.

      There should always be questions asked when all your top talent starts jumping ship for your competitors, especially when it's the back room team that's leaving.

      Hopefully these new guys will know how to put things right or it could get even worse very quickly.
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      Reply #3558: Nov 18, 2016 11:29:36 pm
      Excellent read this.

      Excitement to evaporate in Abu Dhabi after rainy São Paulo spectacular


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      As they peered anxiously through the spray and narrowly avoided rivals bouncing off the barriers at 170mph, the current crop of Formula One drivers proved their worth in São Paulo last Sunday. Heavy rain turned the Brazilian Grand Prix into a proper race, full of the kind of excitement and unpredictability that have been virtually banished from modern Formula One.

      If only F1 were like that all the time. Or even half the time. Instead the circus pitches up in Abu Dhabi next week with the world drivers’ championship still in the balance but very little prospect of the sort of spectacle we saw in the penultimate round of a largely uneventful series.

      Changes are coming to Formula One, and some hallowed monuments are falling. The 69-year-old Ron Dennis’s enforced departure from the leadership of the McLaren team, whom he rescued 45 years ago, may be followed by that of the sport’s ringmaster, the 86-year-old Bernie Ecclestone, once the sport’s new US-based commercial rights holder, Liberty Media, sorts its plans out. Jenson Button and Felipe Massa, with 550 grand prix starts between them, take their final bows next weekend, while Max Verstappen leads a new bunch of teenage tearaways ready to take their place. Mercedes, Ferrari and Honda are looking with interest at the commitment of Renault, Jaguar, BMW, Audi and others to Formula E, which seems more in tune with a future of all‑electric road transportation. But what doesn’t change is what happens when rain falls on race day.

      Last Sunday it made all the difference, as it did when Ayrton Senna produced his masterpiece at Donington Park in 1993 and Lewis Hamilton opened a few eyes at Silverstone in 2008. Even at Monaco, where overtaking is all but impossible in dry conditions, a spring shower transforms the event into something likely to live in the memory, such as Olivier Panis’s victory in 1996, when his Ligier was one of only four cars still moving at the finish.

      According to the forecast, it will not rain in Abu Dhabi next weekend. Rain is not actually unknown there – there were light showers during the free practice sessions of 2010 and 2015 – but this year the sun will shine from a cloudless sky. So if Hamilton wins his 12th pole position of the year, and Nico Rosberg makes it yet another all-Mercedes front row, you can pretty well bet the house on the general outcome.

      In its normal bone-dry state, the Yas Marina circuit is not designed to produce interesting racing. Fernando Alonso can still feel the frustration of being denied a third title when the nature of the track prevented him from overtaking Vitaly Petrov in the 2010 season finale. What it does produce, in very large quantities, is money for the owners of Formula One, on whose behalf Ecclestone negotiated a huge fee in exchange for allowing Abu Dhabi to host the final round.

      So there will be great television shots from exotic camera positions capturing the sun setting over the circuit during the race, showing the lights illuminating the track, and sweeping across the blue shroud covering the five-star Yas Island Viceroy hotel, which overlooks the action. It will all look just like the brochure: a vision of some new corporate leisure paradise where all the inconveniences are neatly tucked out of sight. The drivers will go round and round and the only displays of overt emotion will come once they are out of their cockpits.

      It was different in São Paulo, where the rain seeped inside their visors and they could not be sure when their tyres would skate across a lake of standing water, leaving them helpless. Sure, it was dangerous. That’s how it should be. To the fury of the crowd, the race director did his best to minimise the danger by starting the race with the cars droning round for lap after lap behind the safety car. He didn’t want to see half the field out of the race at the first corner. But risk is something that the drivers have to accept when they apply for the job.

      At times on Sunday we saw very clearly what separates them from us. Hamilton had the advantage of a clear track and no spray, but he drove with a wonderful finesse to avoid the aquaplaning that made victims of so many others. And Verstappen’s charge from 14th to third in the last 16 laps, overtaking one car after another by venturing on to areas of the track that others were too cautious to use, was a performance to settle any doubts about the 19-year-old’s talent at the wheel.

      Others did not fare so well. Rosberg, finishing a safe second but never looking in the same class as his Mercedes team-mate up ahead, moaned into his radio: “Haven’t they seen enough crashes?”

      But then a premature halt to the race would have suited his purposes, since he needed only to finish in a high position to maintain his advantage over Hamilton in the title race. Sebastian Vettel’s whingeing over the airwaves was tiresome, his loudly expressed desire to have the race stopped hardly befitting a four-times champion.

      An exception to criticism would have to be made for Massa, who showed his vulnerability in wet conditions – he is remembered, among other things, for spinning his Ferrari no fewer than five times during the race at Silverstone in 2008, which he finished in 13th and last place. Last weekend his penultimate grand prix ended with a high-speed crash on the 46th lap, but his disappointment was quickly assuaged by the reception he received from his home-town crowd on his last visit to Interlagos as an F1 driver.

      It was there, in 2008, that he spent 39 euphoric seconds believing that he had become world champion, only to learn that Hamilton had snatched the title on the last lap by slipping past Timo Glock into fifth place, earning the points that gave him his first title. Massa was never a truly great driver, not a Senna nor a Schumacher, but he was an honest, fair, wholehearted and thoroughly likeable competitor, a proper racer whose recovery from a horrible eye injury in 2009 won widespread sympathy.

      As he walked along the pit lane on Sunday, listening to the cheers of the crowd and giving way to tears when other teams came out to join the applause and his wife and small son arrived to embrace him, there was a glimpse of a better Formula One, one unafraid to show some humanity.

      https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/nov/18/sao-paolo-grand-prix-interlagos-f1-abu-dhabi-grand-prix
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      Re: Formula 1
      Reply #3559: Nov 27, 2016 03:24:06 pm
      Well done Nico and although at times there was a hint things might get interesting I don't think it was ever really going to happen.
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      Reply #3560: Nov 27, 2016 03:30:35 pm
      After all he's done for that team across the last 7 years, Nico is a fully deserving world champion. A classy driver and a classy guy.

      Shame on Mercedes for trying to dictate the outcome of the race by telling Lewis to speed up. Lewis is one of the greatest of all time - he's going to try anything, entirely legal, to win the championship. He puppeteered that race and without his intervention the race would have been dreadfully dull. As it was he tried everything he could and was totally within his rights to do so.

      Regardless 53 and counting for Lewis. But today is Nico's day.
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      Reply #3561: Nov 27, 2016 03:40:30 pm
      After all he's done for that team across the last 7 years, Nico is a fully deserving world champion. A classy driver and a classy guy.

      Shame on Mercedes for trying to dictate the outcome of the race by telling Lewis to speed up. Lewis is one of the greatest of all time - he's going to try anything, entirely legal, to win the championship. He puppeteered that race and without his intervention the race would have been dreadfully dull. As it was he tried everything he could and was totally within his rights to do so.

      Regardless 53 and counting for Lewis. But today is Nico's day.

      Agree, Nico deserves it but Lewis made sure he was not going to lose his championship without a fight & did what he felt he needed to do to retain it...

      Merc, well, less said the better, if they were so keen on Nico to be crowned champion they should have instructed Nico to overtake or go wheel to wheel, no matter what the outcome of that Nico would still be world champion.

      Bit surprised by the comments from Wolff that maybe Lewis should race for Christian Horner...
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      Reply #3562: Nov 27, 2016 03:53:18 pm
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      Reply #3563: Nov 27, 2016 04:27:31 pm
      Agree, Nico deserves it but Lewis made sure he was not going to lose his championship without a fight & did what he felt he needed to do to retain it...

      Merc, well, less said the better, if they were so keen on Nico to be crowned champion they should have instructed Nico to overtake or go wheel to wheel, no matter what the outcome of that Nico would still be world champion.

      Bit surprised by the comments from Wolff that maybe Lewis should race for Christian Horner...

      Raised myself an eyebrow at that comment as well. Also notable what Lewis said in his post race interview that he would try everything even if 'no one else was going to help me'.

      Obvious that Mercedes desperately wanted Rosberg to win the championship. I can kind of understand that given how long he's been at that team but there was a serious lack of class in them telling Lewis not to do what he had to do in an attempt to win the title. All this corporate bullshit speak of 'driving as a team' and 'respecting the team' stinks to high heaven given the fact that they'd won the constructors title weeks ago and that both of their drivers were fighting for the title. It just exemplifies the widening gulf between how f1 management perceives Grand Prixs and what us fans want to see in the Grand Prix. Only one man wanted to make this interesting out there today and it was Lewis. Shame on Mercedes for trying to spoil his and our enjoyment of the "spectacle".
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      Reply #3564: Nov 27, 2016 04:30:12 pm
      Lewis Hamilton the better driver but engine blowups cost him. I'm not a religious F1 follower but today was a great advert for it.

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