NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

the added conundrum is borrowing has been the cheapest its ever been for the past decade or more so if it meant the CLUB LFC needed to borrow money to get the right player then so be it this is how businesses survive on borrowing to suggest any borrowing could endanger the club is farcical most if not all people have some sort of finance in their lives Mortgages, bank loans, Credit cards etc its almost a Victorian concept to live within your means it protects their investment but starves the squad of better players. Having seen just what Ali and Virgil did to the squad when they came what is the problem.

The problem is they dont want to spend there money. No risk to them just skim off the profits. Feed off the fatted calf

But one of the arguments for the FSG supporters is that the club will only ever spend what it makes, which is fine, it keeps the club secure, but surely we’ve generated enough money over the past 5 or 6 seasons with all of our success that we don’t need to continue with a sell to buy policy? The money should be there. And if it’s not, where is it?

If there’s no money in the pot, then isn’t that poor running of the club? If there is nothing there then that means we’re relying/gambling on securing top four every season and reaching the latter stages of the competition which we consistently do.

The accounts are clear , club lost a significant amount of commercial revenue during Covid - maybe up to the tune of £120mil so that needs to be cleared back.


There is also a significant high wage bill that needs paying

Another argument from FSG supporters for why we don’t sign players is that we will continue to wait to land a certain player, the latest one being Jude Bellingham. Why couldn’t we sign him now? If that’s who klopp desperately wants why don’t we support him and go and get him? People can say all they want dortmund wouldn’t sell but that’s rubbish. If we turned up with the money then we’d get him. It happens everywhere. Every player has a price.

You can’t force clubs to sell - Dortmund have just sold one star this year and there is no doubt they aren’t going to sell another - you can call it rubbish but Dortmund have shown they are happy to keep a player until they sell on their terms

What if we don’t even get him? And we’ve potentially wrote this season off...for what? And is Jude Bellingham the only midfielder in the world who can improve our midfield? Thiago aside, it’s not as if we’ve had world class midfielders during Klopps time here. We’ve had hard working professionals in there who do a job. So is that not poor running of the club that we never look at any other players but instead become obsessed with one target who we might not even sign anyway?

The recruitment team will have a plan ,surely we can trust them now , and if they are waiting until next summer for the player then it’s going to be for a good reason , it’s not just so that people can complain about players not arriving


And the midfield we have had are all players Klopp has signed apart from Henderson - he brought in the others

The problem is they dont want to spend there money. No risk to them just skim off the profits. Feed off the fatted calf

“Skim off the profits”


It’s that sort of false bollocks that adds nothing

The problem is they dont want to spend there money. No risk to them just skim off the profits. Feed off the fatted calf

It’s not wrong to run the club like that. The problem is we cannot keep up with the oil sheiks and oligarchs who consistently spend money like crazy. While spending huge amounts cannot guarantee success, we have also proven that our model can keep up as well, albeit more difficult.

If I were a shareholder in a fan owned club, because we know better which players should be coming in, and there’s pressure on me to pour in funds constantly, I wouldn’t last a very long time since I will deffo go bankrupt in no time as the financial commitment to keep spending takes its toll.

We have put money into some players but maybe not enough to satisfy some fans.

There’s only one solution - our owner must have the appetite to spend big on every window. But we do not have such an owner. Nor do we have any power to change the status quo. Therefore we will keep posting our opinions on these boards. And hopefully something will change.

Yep, me too, I’m struggling to see how we would end up £400m in debt when we are currently debt free, and profits taken when FSG decide to go, go with them ?


The fact is, IF Jürgen WANTED IN a new midfielder this summer he knows he DOES’NT have to go to FSG with his begging bowl, the funds would be made available, now we can all argue until we’re blue in the face whether that’s the correct way to conduct business for transfers or not, it’s how it is and Jürgen seems happy enough with it, he’s certainly no Conte at Spuds throwing his toys around is he ?

It certainly looks from the outside that FSG are as tight as a Goldfishes poop chute, and obviously a lot of us do too, the exact opposite of the oily lot, and we are DEBT FREE, Totally, so it’s a fine balancing act we’re talking about where the ‘Amount’ we spend or don’t on transfer’s?

Personally I don’t think Jürgen seen the current injury worries about to happen, otherwise he would have acted sooner, and perhaps brought in a player who was a better fit than Arthur, we all know new signings have to be the right signing or they don’t happen, Arthur Melo is probably the closest we could get at such a late stage,

Said this all before, be careful what you wish for, I’d much rather have this model of ownership rather than that of the Glazer’s that’s for sure, as for the oliy lot, no thanks, I want my club to build teams thru sheer hard graft and working together as one, and not buy our successes, fraudulently or otherwise,


Our club’s history tell us and everyone else it’s not a bad model to follow, and but for the oily lot and other oligarchs we would have had many more titles & tin to back it up, we’ve already seen the back of one tyrannical Zillionaire in Abramovic disappear into obscurity, but he was suckin Putin’s boaby so not bothered one iota, he’s not missed as much as some Ukrainian families are !!

I guess this particular debate will rumble on and on and on, I’m guessing for the most part that it’s a clash of footballing cultures, with the old school fuckers like your truly wanting traditional values, and the more modern ‘football manager’ fans want immediate success and who gives a f**k what we spend !!



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Don’t think there is any realistic explanation for what he was suggesting


The rest of your is superb 👏

“Skim off the profits”


It’s that sort of false bollocks that adds nothing

Are you on some kind or retainer from FSG

Are you on some kind or retainer from FSG

Nope


Any chance you can provide some substance or proof of these “skimming the profits”

Well if I was able to look at the books can you prove they are not doing this ?

Well if I was able to look at the books can you prove they are not doing this ?

The accounts are public

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https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00035668/filing-history

Accounts can be manipulated

Accounts can be manipulated

Is that your answer ? That the owners are not only skimming the profits they are also committing corporate fraud by submitting falsified accounts

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We had a couple of owners not long ago who where doing that. Short memories some people

We had a couple of owners not long ago who where doing that

Did we ?

Hicks and Gillette were awful . they didn’t falsify accounts - they just loaned out the money to buy the club and put that debt on the club and then struggled with the payments 🤷‍♂️


Surely if you are going to keep throwing accusations around at least provide proof

Yes they don’t use their personal money to buy players and they have made some poor choices over the years but they have been very clear about the accounts and how the club club is funded


To even try and compare them to the previous owners shows either a complete lack of understanding or someone who is just a bit thick . The only comparison is their Nationality

Pull your nose out of JH’s arse

We had a couple of owners not long ago who where doing that. Short memories some people

Hmm. Your memory mustn't be great yourself. Hicks and Gillette, cu*ts that they were, didn't declare false accounts.

Just get back to your one word posts about the owners 'skinflints'.

As the more you waffle on it shows how little you actually know.

Pull your nose out of JH’s arse

I’m guessing you’re just a bit thick then

Well we will see how the skinflints invest as our squad age and our rivals disappear into the distance

The only reason why we have bought decent players is when we have sold

I’m guessing you’re just a bit thick then

He's clever enough to know you've got your schnozzer firmly between JH's cheeks

The only reason why we have had decent players is when we have sold

Who did we sell when we bought Diaz

I think I have read in here that FSG have on average invested 28 million a season, minuscule compared to how much the clubs worth has increased so they are not putting in any money that has a risk to it. Thank god we have Klopp otherwise we would be a mid table team

I wonder how many posters will be confident in FSG’s running of the club when and if Klopp leaves