Liverpool-United XI

Had an argument with a Manc mate trying to pick a Liverpool/Man United current and all time team.

For current I said:

                     Reina

 Rafael  Ferdinand  Vidic  Evra

           Gerrard  Meireles

    Nani       Suarez     Giggs

               Berbatov

And then to the all time team:

                 Schmeichel

   Neal     Vidic        Hansen    Evra

 Barnes    Gerrard    B.Charlton   Best

             Dalglish     Rush

Players a little out of position, trying to fit them all in

Not another F***ing Manc thread.

                  Renia

Kelly   Ferdinand   Vidic  Evra
     
           Scholes  Meireles
     
Valencia      Gerrard       Nani
 
                Berbartov

For starters Raffeal over Kelly and Schemicel over Clemence is a joke but anyway, lock this.

For starters Raffeal over Kelly and Schemicel over Clemence is a joke but anyway, lock this.

If you don't like it, don't post on it. Simples!

Why would you want to make a combined team with the mancs, come on.

current:

                   Reina

Kelly      Carra    Agger     Johnson

                   Lucas

             Gerrard Meireles

Kuyt                              Maxi

                   Suarez




All time:

                      Clemence

Neal          Hyypia       Hansen         Hughes

Heighway    Gerrard  Souness/Lucas   Barnes

                   Fowler Dalglish

If you don't like it, don't post on it. Simples!

Exactly! This the General football forum.

And its interesting to see what people think.

United have the exact same threads.

Dont like it. Dont comment!

To people picking Kelly over Rafael.

That is ridiculous! Sorry but hes not!

I don't really care what threads the mancs have. You're basically discussing which manc players, one of our biggest rivals, you'd pick over our players. F***ing stupid discussion, which shouldn't be held by Liverpool supporters.

To people picking Kelly over Rafael.

That is ridiculous! Sorry but hes not!

No Rafeal over Kelly is ridocolous, Kelly is probably one of the best right backs in the league, Rafeal is average.

I don't really care what threads the mancs have. You're basically discussing which manc players, one of our biggest rivals, you'd pick over our players. F***ing stupid discussion, which shouldn't be held by Liverpool supporters.

This!

No Rafeal over Kelly is ridocolous, Kelly is probably one of the best right backs in the league, Rafeal is average.

You are clueless friend!

Rafael is 21, a year older than Kelly and this is his 3rd season in the PL.
Kelly is only 20 and this is his first season playing in the PL.

comparing them is a bit ridiculous.

Had an argument with a Manc mate trying to pick a Liverpool/Man United current and all time team.

I knew you used to be a Chelsea fan but do you have a soft spot for the Mancs as well?  

You are clueless friend!

F**k off chav, calling me clueless.

I knew you used to be a Chelsea fan but do you have a soft spot for the Mancs as well? 

whoever is the flavour of the month, I'm sure Arsenal will get a run out at some stage

  Easy this.


                                 Reina

            Skrtel             Carra              Agger

Johnson     Gerrard     Lucas    Meireles        Aurelio

                                 Suarez 

                                  Carroll     



                                    Reaina

Jones                Hansen            Hyppia          Nicol

Gerrard             Souness           Molby           Barnes 

                         Kenny              Rush                         

  Easy this.


                                 Reina

            Skrtel             Carra              Agger

Johnson     Gerrard     Lucas    Meireles        Aurelio

                                 Suarez 

                                  Carroll     



                                    Reaina

Jones                Hansen            Hyppia          Nicol

Gerrard             Souness           Molby           Barnes 

                         Kenny              Rush                         

Right so the team top of the league gets no players into the team 7th?

And when your picking your greatest Liverpool team of all time, to include Molby is ridiculous!!!

copycat

F**k off chav, calling me clueless.

If you think Rafael is average, you are most definitely clueless.

Either that, or extremely biased against the Mancs which I am too.

But i dont go into threads and make no sense! If your going to bother saying something, make sense

F**k off chav, calling me clueless.

And whats with calling me a chav?

Liverpool all my life mate! I wont get into that again though.

And when your picking your greatest Liverpool team of all time, to include Molby is ridiculous!!!

With all due respect your only a bairn, Molby was the best passer of the ball I have ever seen including Alonso and I don't think any one in their right mind will not agree with me.

So to be honest you making that statement regarding Molby, I'd say is ridiculous.

If you think Rafael is average, you are most definitely clueless.

Either that, or extremely biased against the Mancs which I am too.

But i dont go into threads and make no sense! If your going to bother saying something, make sense

Even some of my Manc friends say Rafael is not better than Kelly at the different stages of their career.
They rate Kelly, a lot. He is not average but he was defintely not better at the same stage of his career as Kelly is in now.

Reina

Kelly
Carra
Agger
Johnson

Kuyt
Meireles
Gerrard
Lucas
Maxi

Suarez

All time

Clemo

Neal
Hansen
Carra
Nicol

Cally
Gerrard
Souness
Heighway

Dalglish
Fowler

(sorry Rushie, but I can never leave Robbie out)

With all due respect your only a bairn, Molby was the best passer of the ball I have ever seen including Alonso and I don't think any one in their right mind will not agree with me.

Agreed, Molby was an absolute hero of mine when I was growing up. He didn't need to go running around the pitch because his passing, vision and positional play were unmatched.

Can I just say: Eeeeeeeeeeeeew!

A fine debating point for neutral fans, but as a Liverpool supporter I couldn't personally mix United players with ours, it makes me want to puke!

If you think Rafael is average, you are most definitely clueless.

Either that, or extremely biased against the Mancs which I am too.

But I dont go into threads and make no sense! If your going to bother saying something, make sense

He has been piss poor all season. If you think I don't make sense then I suggest you re-read my posts, they make perfect sense.
Show me a better right back then Kelly in the league.

Right so the team top of the league gets no players into the team 7th?

And when your picking your greatest Liverpool team of all time, to include Molby is ridiculous!!!

Your statement about Molby just proves how wrong your opinion is.

Liverpool-United....

 

I would never pick a team with both players in and I wouldn't have posted in this thread otherwise except for the wannabe mods invading and derailing the thread.

If a thread is agaisnt the rules, report it otherwise just leave it to the people who want to post in it? This thread is harmless. Leave the people who want to post in it to post in it and post in a thread you actually want to contribute to?

Happy days.

Molby was a good player, not saying he wasnt.

But he does not get into the GREATEST ever Liverpool team. That is a fact!!!

And thereds13, thinks this thread is pointless, so why are you still posting and just looking for an argument?

Rafael has been class this season, to say he has been poor and an average player is just ridiculous.

And then with your childish chav calling which is the next to worst insult to being called a Manc, Bluenose.

This thread is only a bit of fun so why get all dramatic?

To people picking Kelly over Rafael.

That is ridiculous! Sorry but hes not!

Yes he is and to boot, the lad is more composed than that manc tw*t.

Check out Rafael's sending off at White Hart Lane.

Rafeal very overrated, good player sure but hasn't exactly done fantastically. Done a solid job and media just hype him.

Molby was a good player, not saying he wasnt.

But he does not get into the GREATEST ever Liverpool team. That is a fact!!!

That is quite a bold statement to make.  What makes you so qualified to make such a ''fact!!!''?

Molby was a good player, not saying he wasnt.

But he does not get into the GREATEST ever Liverpool team. That is a fact!!!

Not a fact at all sorry, thats your opinion.

Depends what you want from your greatest Liverpool team ever, I went for a midfield hardman in Souness and a play maker who could place the ball on fly arse from a 100 yards, whats your problem with that ?

Not a fact at all sorry, thats your opinion.

Depends what you want from your greatest Liverpool team ever, I went for a midfield hardman in Souness and a play maker who could place the ball on fly arse from a 100 yards, whats your problem with that ?

Its an opinion. i just like to use the word "fact". Nothing wrong with the opinion.

I just think most people would not pick him in the greatest ever team.

Am I wrong?

Yes he is and to boot, the lad is more composed than that manc tw*t.

Check out Rafael's sending off at White Hart Lane.

Yeah, i thought the second yellow was harsh?

Its an opinion. i just like to use the word "fact". Nothing wrong with the opinion.

I just think most people would not pick him in the greatest ever team.

Am I wrong?

But you can't use an opinion as fact. And actually a lot of Liverpool fans, certainly those growing up in the mid to late 80s would have Molby in their greatest XI.

Just like most United fans would have Giggs, yet you've picked Best on the left wing? And Vidic ahead of Bruce and Pallister, you sure on that one?. Evra ahead of Dennis Irwin? Fair enough it's an opinion but most United fans (and most football fans generally) would have Bruce and/or Pallister ahead of Vidic any day, same for Irwin over Evra.

I'm not saying you're wrong or ridiculous. I'm just saying most wouldn't do that. So don't get so worked up about people putting Molby in their best XI or Kelly in their current XI. If you want this thread to be "a bit of fun" let it be so and don't go shooting down the opinion of others then get all worked up when somebody questions your opinion.

With all due respect your only a bairn, Molby was the best passer of the ball I have ever seen including Alonso and I don't think any one in their right mind will not agree with me.

So to be honest you making that statement regarding Molby, I'd say is ridiculous.

Wholeheartedly agree, Molby is still the best passer of the ball I've ever seen.  Not many players I can think off, who could get MOTM without moving out of the centre circle.  He had vision, deftness and the passing ability to play a ball into a team mates stride.  Admittedly he had a bit of timber, but I shudder to think how good he'd have been if as  fit as some of the current crop of players.

Still dont think he is in our top two of every central midfielder that has played for the club.

Souness, Gerrard, Hughes are better for me.

I stated fact but I dont literally mean fact. Its just a word I over use.

Can see why you might include Molby but I think the 3 above are better.

Right so the team top of the league gets no players into the team 7th?

And when your picking your greatest Liverpool team of all time, to include Molby is ridiculous!!!

Mate, don't go saying sh*t when you don't know anything about it. I'm a young fan myself, but i know that Molby was brilliant. Great players existed long before you or i were fans, and just cos you don't know anything about Molby does not mean he wasn't good. Even from the limited vision i have seen i can see he was F***ing quality.

Anyways, the mere suggestion of a combined Liverpool/Manure team makes my blood boil so im gonna back out now.

Still dont think he is in our top two of every central midfielder that has played for the club.

Souness, Gerrard, Hughes are better for me.

I stated fact but I dont literally mean fact. Its just a word I over use.

Can see why you might include Molby but I think the 3 above are better.

I had Gerrard on the right and Souness alongside Molby, so the only player I missed out was Emlyn Hughes, but I done so for a reason, that reason being Molby is the best passer of a ball I have ever seen, he also had a hammer of a left foot.

current:

                   Reina

Kelly      Carra    Agger     Johnson

                   Lucas

             Gerrard Meireles

Kuyt                              Maxi

                   Suarez




All time:

                      Clemence

Neal          Hyypia       Hansen         Hughes

Heighway    Gerrard  Souness/Lucas    Barnes

                   Fowler Dalglish

Not bad.
Throw in Alonso for me and that'll do

current

reina
kelly carra agger johnson
gerrard merielas kuyt
cole carroll suarez

alltime

reina
nicol   hanson hyppia  kennady
gerrard  souness barns
dalglish rush fowler
                 

Still dont think he is in our top two of every central midfielder that has played for the club.

Souness, Gerrard, Hughes are better for me.

I stated fact but I dont literally mean fact. Its just a word I over use.

Can see why you might include Molby but I think the 3 above are better.

As a central midfielder, Jan Molby is hands down better than Emlyn Hughes. Terry Mc, Steve McMahon, Ray Kennedy now that's another matter. Surprisingly Ray Kennedy doesn't get into enough greatest XI's but was a F***ing quality player.

Actually I saw a video of Terry Mc. He was class.

Who was better?

Molby or Alonso? I know people will laugh but how would Molby compare in the modern game. He wasnt the fittest?

Alonso was hardly the fittest either. The lads used to joke how he was the slowest member of the squad

Alonso was hardly the fittest either. The lads used to joke how he was the slowest member of the squad

Speed has nothing to do with fitness. He was fit.

Actually I saw a video of Terry Mc. He was class.

Who was better?

Molby or Alonso? I know people will laugh but how would Molby compare in the modern game. He wasnt the fittest?

Molby he was a better passer, scored more goals and was more versatile, he often played as a 3rd central defender for us too, I think it was the 85-86 season If I remember rightly he scored around 20 goals for us, which was his best ever season in a reds shirt.

I remember that so vividly because I used to get the football magzines, Match I think it was and he was in the top 5 league scorers all season long and we went on to win the 16th.

Current
                     Reina
Johnson    Vidic      Agger      Evra
Gerrard     Meireles  Scholes   Giggs
           Berbatov   Rooney

All time

                    Schmeichel
Neal      Hansen   Pallister     Irwin
Best    Edwards   Souness    Giggs
          Dalglish    Charlton

By their very nature, these "best of all time" teams are going to be very subjective.  However, for me two players should be included by all - Kenny Dalglish and Duncan Edwards.
Both were brilliant players and gentlemen who brought credit to their respective clubs - one of the saddest things to have happened in football over the last century was not seeing Duncan Edwards have the opportunity to fulfill his potential.

Had an argument with a Manc mate trying to pick a Liverpool/Man United current and all time team.

For current I said:

                     Reina

 Rafael  Ferdinand  Vidic  Evra

           Gerrard  Meireles

    Nani       Suarez     Giggs

               Berbatov

And then to the all time team:

                 Schmeichel

   Neal     Vidic        Hansen    Evra

 Barnes    Gerrard    B.Charlton   Best

             Dalglish     Rush

Players a little out of position, trying to fit them all in

Dalglish and Rush? No. Cantona would have to be in there and probably one of the two liverpool players, I don't know who was better so you would decide that. Sorry, but in my eyes, Scholes was a better player than Gerrard but I agree there is scope for debate. I don't know who neal is. I'd put Parker there. I'd be tempted to put Stam ahead of Vidic too. And what of Duncan Edwards?

Suarez would never get into the team. He played one game and you think he is better than Rooney? As an England fan do you honestly think that? Rooney just scored some goals and he has still been creating. Reina shouldn't be there. Man Utd have one more clean sheet than Liverpool AND have played a game less. VDS and Reina have been on par, so based on the clean sheets VDS would edge it.

Meireles? I haven't watched him ever. I don't know if he is playing well or not, but I'd take a guess that most punters would pick Fletcher in that position, though he hasn't played that well this season. Maybe even play Scholes there since Scholes has been a lot better then fletcher, but gerrard would have to do all the running and become more of a box to box midfielder.

Dalglish and Rush? No. Cantona would have to be in there and probably one of the two liverpool players, I don't know who was better so you would decide that. Sorry, but in my eyes, Scholes was a better player than Gerrard but I agree there is scope for debate. I don't know who neal is. I'd put Parker there. I'd be tempted to put Stam ahead of Vidic too. And what of Duncan Edwards?

Suarez would never get into the team. He played one game and you think he is better than Rooney? As an England fan do you honestly think that? Rooney just scored some goals and he has still been creating. Reina shouldn't be there. Man Utd have one more clean sheet than Liverpool AND have played a game less. VDS and Reina have been on par, so based on the clean sheets VDS would edge it.

Meireles? I haven't watched him ever. I don't know if he is playing well or not, but I'd take a guess that most punters would pick Fletcher in that position, though he hasn't played that well this season. Maybe even play Scholes there since Scholes has been a lot better then fletcher, but gerrard would have to do all the running and become more of a box to box midfielder.

VDS only has one more clean sheet?  That's no reason to pick him, especially as Reina has been in a side performing poorly.  Your choosing Parker is a joke, not even the best right back that you've had and certainly not a patch on Phil Neal.  As for Fletcher, you're the first Man United fan I know who ever said he was decent, he's nothing more than a clumsy fouling machine and an insult to some of the better midfielders you've had in your history. 

Dalglish and Rush? No. Cantona would have to be in there and probably one of the two liverpool players, I don't know who was better so you would decide that. Sorry, but in my eyes, Scholes was a better player than Gerrard but I agree there is scope for debate. I don't know who neal is. I'd put Parker there. I'd be tempted to put Stam ahead of Vidic too. And what of Duncan Edwards?

Suarez would never get into the team. He played one game and you think he is better than Rooney? As an England fan do you honestly think that? Rooney just scored some goals and he has still been creating. Reina shouldn't be there. Man Utd have one more clean sheet than Liverpool AND have played a game less. VDS and Reina have been on par, so based on the clean sheets VDS would edge it.

Meireles? I haven't watched him ever. I don't know if he is playing well or not, but I'd take a guess that most punters would pick Fletcher in that position, though he hasn't played that well this season. Maybe even play Scholes there since Scholes has been a lot better then fletcher, but gerrard would have to do all the running and become more of a box to box midfielder.

Heres what i read of your post: bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, complete bullshit, bullshit, bullshit bullshit - and then repeat.

I mean Cuntona better than Dalglish or Rush? F***ing mental you. I'm drunk and im more together in my head than you. Had to spellcheck this post alot though.

Dalglish and Rush? No. Cantona would have to be in there and probably one of the two liverpool players, I don't know who was better so you would decide that. Sorry, but in my eyes, Scholes was a better player than Gerrard but I agree there is scope for debate. I don't know who neal is. I'd put Parker there. I'd be tempted to put Stam ahead of Vidic too. And what of Duncan Edwards?

Suarez would never get into the team. He played one game and you think he is better than Rooney? As an England fan do you honestly think that? Rooney just scored some goals and he has still been creating. Reina shouldn't be there. Man Utd have one more clean sheet than Liverpool AND have played a game less. VDS and Reina have been on par, so based on the clean sheets VDS would edge it.

Meireles? I haven't watched him ever. I don't know if he is playing well or not, but I'd take a guess that most punters would pick Fletcher in that position, though he hasn't played that well this season. Maybe even play Scholes there since Scholes has been a lot better then fletcher, but gerrard would have to do all the running and become more of a box to box midfielder.

Just read this post now.

You're either taking the utter piss or don't read posts properly.

Cantona better than Rush and Dalglish. Hahahaha!

Reina is infinitely better than Van der Sar, Gerrard better than Scholes - I agree with the Suarez comment, he's played a game in the PL, he's not better than Rooney.

And I think I can safely say Meireles is better than Fletcher right now. He's a Fletcher that actually scores goals and makes some decent runs.

Reina

Neal    Hansen    Hyypia    Nicol

Molby/Alonso   Gerrard

Keegan                  Barnes

Dalglish    Rush

Oh, and PGlynn, if your watching the match between Wolves and ManU, tell me Rafael is better than Kelly now.

He's sh*t house.

Heres what I read of your post: bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, complete bullshit, bullshit, bullshit bullshit - and then repeat.

I mean Cuntona better than Dalglish or Rush? F***ing mental you. I'm drunk and im more together in my head than you. Had to spellcheck this post alot though.

Cantona is better than Daglish and Rush. Why does he come up in the following list and Rush and Daglish don't:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100

I never called your players crap at all, and unsurprisingly you come out all guns blazing just because I said I felt you should only pick one of them. Seriously, so many of you are so far up in the clouds it beggars belief.

Cantona is better than Daglish and Rush. Why does he come up in the following list and Rush and Daglish don't:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100

I never called your players crap at all, and unsurprisingly you come out all guns blazing just because I said I felt you should only pick one of them. Seriously, so many of you are so far up in the clouds it beggars belief.

Dalglish is on the list you plonker!

Cantona is better than Daglish and Rush. Why does he come up in the following list and Rush and Daglish don't:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100

I never called your players crap at all, and unsurprisingly you come out all guns blazing just because I said I felt you should only pick one of them. Seriously, so many of you are so far up in the clouds it beggars belief.

Ohh wikipedia! Hail to the gods!

Seriously, your so far gone im surprised you aint in a white jacket and a padded cell yet.

Dalglish is on the list you plonker!

I didn't even look at it, but thats hilarious

Why would you want to make a combined team with the mancs, come on.

Exactly how could any supporter of Liverpool acknowledge a manc being better than a RED.Get a grip FFS.

Dalglish is on the list you plonker!

Indeed he is. But Rush isn't. Note I did say one of the two should be in there though.

What a stupid thread and to go with it, some proper insane views!

How can you have a factual opinion on players who played before you were even born and secondly how can you as a Liverpool fan want to mix manc players with a Liverpool squad?!

I think some people seriously don't understand the rivalry.

No offence intended like.

Diouf is on that list, too

What a stupid thread and to go with it, some proper insane views!

How can you have a factual opinion on players who played before you were even born and secondly how can you as a Liverpool fan want to mix manc players with a Liverpool squad?!

I think some people seriously don't understand the rivalry.

No offence intended like.

Yeah you are right to be honest. A list of all-time greats would have been far better.

Yeah you are right to be honest. A list of all-time greats would have been far better.

http://www.zimbio.com/100+Players+Who+Shook+The+Kop

Done.

http://www.zimbio.com/100+Players+Who+Shook+The+Kop

Done.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article6415819.ece

Done.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article6415819.ece

Done.

Could only find 50? Awww.

Could only find 50? Awww.

Yeah we only needed 50 to outshine your 100

And Owen is ours btw, so thats 99

and why is Neil Mellor on that list?

Yeah we only needed 50 to outshine your 100

And Owen is ours btw, so thats 99

5 European cups shine brighter than 3.

5 European cups shine brighter than 3.

One world club championship shines brighter than none

Yeah we only needed 50 to outshine your 100

And Owen is ours btw, so thats 99

and why is Neil Mellor on that list?

Delusion, again.

Rather Mellor than half your lot!

Delusion, again.

Rather Mellor than half your lot!

Ok joke aside, seriously why is he on that list? I don't remember him doing anything but I may be wrong.

Ok joke aside, seriously why is he on that list? I don't remember him doing anything but I may be wrong.

It was a 100 players who shook the Kop list, to be fair. Think it was voted on an 'impact' basis somewhat. He didn't do a whole lot, but he did score some crucial goals and make an impact, the one i remember most is the game against Olympiakos where we had to score 3 to get into the knockout rounds.

I would of imagined this debate would of ended after we stated one well known fact:

Liverpool Football Club - the most successful and historic football club in the country.

There endeth the debate.

What a stupid thread and to go with it, some proper insane views!

How can you have a factual opinion on players who played before you were even born and secondly how can you as a Liverpool fan want to mix manc players with a Liverpool squad?!

I think some people seriously don't understand the rivalry.

No offence intended like.

This!

One world club championship shines brighter than none

Come on in all honesty it's like the charity shield for winners of the European Cup and the South American equivalent!!

And Five still beats three