"We Need To Talk About Gerrard."

These days Stevie is nowhere near the player the used to be, but last night he played in the "10" and scored a goal as well as having an absolutely nailed on penalty denied. When the posse are queuing up to put the boot in on him or clamouring for him to dropped or sold off, I wish they'd ask themselves who out of our esteemed squad has managed to achieve that this season.

And when did we fall behind United and the other big clubs in Europe?

For all your whining, FSG only took over in October 2010 but the club has been poorly managed in financial terms for decades. Perhaps if we had actually taken more care with the financial side of the game we'd be in a position where we could be buying the top players in the world to replace Souness et al (no pun intended).

Instead you want us to be fielding the top players whilst at the same time running the club like some sort of amateur socialist working team from the 70's.

You can't have it both ways.

1)Its YOU who's trying to have it both ways, not the fans.
You want Everton style investment, tickets 5x Madrid prices, and to milk the income of a former global football CLUB

2)I notice your brimming class hatred that could be penned from some preppy Bostonian.
For the record, wanting a club like Barce, Bayern, Real and all of Germany is NOT "socialism", as you sneer.
It is modern, decent and effective management of a FOOTBALL CLUB.
There I said it, CLUB NOT "BRAND"

3)Anfield was hemmed in by many houses when Moores was there.. (if u didnt know)
And thro the 80s it had a massive recession (before the global fan base or even national fan base had largely become adults). Add to that a massive Euro ban and a ban on terraces.

4)When your American heroes took over, we'd recently won a European Cup, and we were ranked by UEFA the number one side in Europe. Under your American heroes( both sets), we'd sold about TEN world class players, and bought then sold just ONE. Wages slashed, quality on the playing staff(and managerial) utterly decimated.
Yet ticket prices and income still roar up. The epitomy of having your cake and eating it.

Moores could have done what Henry is supposedly doing with adds on to  the stadium IF he thought it was a decent option. He believed the lies of Rothschilds and Henry, that the Yanks would build a new ground. He thought that ambition, not Henry style leeching  was the only option.

Now Henry isnt even guaranteeing the Anfield Rd will be done.

Either way, we were a MUCH better and much more successful FOOTBALL CL|UB when Moores sold us.

Your employers oops heroes are nothing but confidence tricksters. By defending them you are insulting all Liverpool fans.

Instead you want us to be fielding the top players whilst at the same time running the club like some sort of amateur socialist working team from the 70's.

1)
perhaps you could explain what "top players" your friend Henry has actually BOUGHT LFC?
Balotelli? Carroll? Adam?
He's certainly sold alot. But I dont recall a Messi,  or even a Costa signed by him.
Only top player bought, he promptly trousered 53m profit on.

2) "socialism" - your comments were already exposed as trying to con the fans.

Anyway...
An "amateur socialist working team in the 70s" you call us?
If you have that much contempt for what worked so well in the 70s, what the hell are you doing on a Liverpool forum anyway?

Well actually, I think some of us know that already..

Wouldn't Rawk be the best place for you?

thought this was a topic about Gerrard! so back on the topic i feel we will see the best of him the way BR is now going to use him. Which will be in attack and used sensibly not week in week out now he's scored. he shouldnt start on the weeked as the CL game is more important than the Sunderland game(which is still huge). Lallana could slot in there and we could bring Can in for Lucas.
Gerrard will be over the moon to have scored twice and lets not forget he's still the highest english scorer this season for all those who said he was past it. He will sign a 2yr extension once he's reviews all options aborad.

1)
perhaps you could explain what "top players" your friend Henry has actually BOUGHT LFC?
Balotelli? Carroll? Adam?
He's certainly sold alot. But I dont recall a Messi,  or even a Costa signed by him.
Only top player bought, he promptly trousered 53m profit on.

2) "socialism" - your comments were already exposed as trying to con the fans.

Anyway...
An "amateur socialist working team in the 70s" you call us?
If you have that much contempt for what worked so well in the 70s, what the hell are you doing on a Liverpool forum anyway?

Well actually, I think some of us know that already..

Wouldn't Rawk be the best place for you?

dont understand any of that...

so I'll just say... Stevie G is Great!!

What people miss when they say "why don't we get Gerrard to do a Lampard" is that fat Frank is playing with players who are confident, playing ina  team which is beginning to purr again and as such he looks an excellent player (he always was in truth wasn't he?). Stevie on the other hand is surrounded by the likes of Henderson (who I thought was absolutely terrible tonight), Lucas, Rickie Lambert and the like. Give him Aguerro and Navas and Jovetic to hit, stick him alongside Yaya Toure or let Fernandino do HIS running and Stevie would still look world class.   

Just stop it now mick, your talking far too much sense, 

Brilliant post !


YNWA

Team's top goalscorer.

But of course he's still sh*t and is at fault for everything.

Great to see SG getting a goal last night, playing well and getting the MOTM on here
Looks like Lucas is becoming a more regular fixture in the holding role, and though great to win the match (and I absolutely agree we should play the formation that works for us best at the current time) don't he's suddenly become a revelation - just that at the moment with the players we have / style of play, he maybe suits it slightly better (SG doesn't have S&S to hit etc etc). But hats off to Lucas, pro to the core, he's taking his chance.
Had doubts about SG in a more advanced role 'long term', but he keeps scoring and playing well, definitely good option there - for me he's the best finisher available anyway and he has reacted well to being 'rested' (not surprised, the competitor that SG is) and raising his game (which had dipped a bit in the deep role). Might have lost a yard of pace but give him space and he still has plenty of quality to punish sides.
Don't want to get carried away - though was great to see us get THREE goals - whooaaa And a win v Sunderland would be another boost. If BR and the lads can come through this dip and be in contention for top4 in the new year, you have to think coming 'through the storm' will stand to them in the 2nd half of the season. Ways to go yet, but deffo 'green shoots'...

Most people I thought just wanted Stevie moved out of the DM/QB role and put further forward. Lo and behold that happened and he was better.

Secondly .. put Gerrard in Man City or Madrid's team and he would look better? world class? Put me in their team and I would probably look World Class. Why do you think Ronaldo and Messi are breaking every record in the book. The gulf in resources between those teams and the rest is astounding.

Simply the argument doesn't follow. Stevie's history and quality over his career is never in doubt. He is a true great. But play him at DM in our current set up and it doesn't pay. Put him further forward and it does, for now.

Gerrard should not be a starter for Liverpool now.

If anyone's got a problem with that, then fine, keep dreaming, but having him on the bench at his age can only be a good thing - I doubt he would have quite the energy he did yesterday if he had played the full match against Stoke.

He should never ever be allowed back in the holding position - we've seen plenty of him this season to show what a liability he has been, and he shouldn't be an automatic starter in his attacking position.

But use him sparingly and he will be much more effective than using him every single match.

1)
perhaps you could explain what "top players" your friend Henry has actually BOUGHT LFC?
Balotelli? Carroll? Adam?
He's certainly sold alot. But I dont recall a Messi,  or even a Costa signed by him.
Only top player bought, he promptly trousered 53m profit on.

2) "socialism" - your comments were already exposed as trying to con the fans.

Anyway...
An "amateur socialist working team in the 70s" you call us?
If you have that much contempt for what worked so well in the 70s, what the hell are you doing on a Liverpool forum anyway?

Well actually, I think some of us know that already..

Wouldn't Rawk be the best place for you?

As usual you avoided the point put to you.

The rest of your post was utter nonsense from start to finish - I don't know why you bothered to type it out.

As usual you avoided the point put to you.

The rest of your post was utter nonsense from start to finish - I don't know why you bothered to type it out.

You know FULL WELL. I didn't just reply to everything you wrote, I DESTROYED IT.
You've never even managed to MAKE a point.

Now haven't you got some work to do for a "rounders brand"?

You know FULL WELL. I didn't just reply to everything you wrote, I DESTROYED IT.
You've never even managed to MAKE a point.

Now haven't you got some work to do for a "rounders brand"?

Destroyed what? lolol... The English language..lolololol

Destroyed what? lolol... The English language..lolololol

probably best not disect it...

I hope he dont start on sat and is rested for the CL game as we will need his experiance to get us over the finish line. Hes best used as the attacking point of a dimond and nothing else, we bought CAN and ALLEN to be energetic holding players and we have Lucas for his experiacne so Gerrard can be used smartly for the big games

I hope he's rested tomorrow too. Time for Coutinho/Markovic/Lallana to show what they can do. We'll need Gerrard for both of the Basle and Man Utd games, time for others to shine against Sunderland.

I hope he's rested tomorrow too. Time for Coutinho/Markovic/Lallana to show what they can do. We'll need Gerrard for both of the Basle and Man Utd games, time for others to shine against Sunderland.

someone is due a battering from us and i feel we are slowly building up to smashing someone sooner rather than later and Sunderland could be that spring board. at home they've been great but away we should kill them off 4-0 i want to see Lallan and hendo and Markovich on the score sheet. rest Sterling for Markovich this weekend as he bloody needs to game time. Can to come in for Allen and maybe rest Kolo for Sakho or give Lovern another chance to prove his not become dog turd over night.

Lampard doesnt only play with players on confidence, at Chelsea and now City, he has played in teams with players who are quality.

All in all though pretty much agree.

One leads to the other. Higher quality players increase chances of success in a match and winning matches increase confidence. There's also the factor that Chelsea and City have enough players experienced at title chases and European football to know how to handle the pressure of expectation from their fans and the media. We are full of young, inexperienced players with only one or two seniors who have only been in a title race twice themselves. This above all is our biggest failing with the transfer policy.

That performance hasn't changed my mind that SG shouldn't be starting every game. Needless to say I'm made up for the win, his goal and his performance. It proves he's still got it when he's carefully managed. But one good performance out of 14 is not a game changer.

However, he's not a good DM and Lucas is proving what a difference that role is doing to our defensive capabilities. As an AM, he is great when he is rested. So what are we going to do? Start him every other game? What does that do to the continuity and stability of the team? It's a tough conundrum but my preference would be he comes off the bench for the last 20-30 minutes most of the time, and starts against occasional opponents.

Makes sense for him to rest tomorrow and start against Basel. And for god sake, please don't play him as a DM again...

That performance hasn't changed my mind that SG shouldn't be starting every game. Needless to say I'm made up for the win, his goal and his performance. It proves he's still got it when he's carefully managed. But one good performance out of 14 is not a game changer.

However, he's not a good DM and Lucas is proving what a difference that role is doing to our defensive capabilities. As an AM, he is great when he is rested. So what are we going to do? Start him every other game? What does that do to the continuity and stability of the team? It's a tough conundrum but my preference would be he comes off the bench for the last 20-30 minutes most of the time, and starts against occasional opponents.

Makes sense for him to rest tomorrow and start against Basel. And for god sake, please don't play him as a DM again...

Thankfully for Lucas, having someone like Allen or Henderson alongside him helps him enormously - industrious players who are good at pressing, it's just what we need in central midfield, whereas put Gerrard and Lucas there at the same time, and we are always going to be skinned by any team.

Steven Gerrard deserves not to be judged or criticised by liverpool fans  for his recent performance

He was playing deeper again today wasn't he, offering bags of space to Bournemouth players at times?

And yet again, we were outrun in midfield at one point in the second half. Brendan can't keep doing this - he's bloody terrible there. It's either in his natural attacking position or on the bench.

We were a lot better, but old (bad) habits die hard don't they?

He was terrible against Bournemouth.  He was terrible against United.  He was terrible against Sunderland.  And he was terrible against Basel. 

But oh he scored a goal so what he did the other 89 minutes apparently doesn't matter.

he will be slow and get overrun in midfield again against Arsenal.  But then he'll play one pinpoint pass and everyone will say "he's still got it."

etc etc.