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      Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?

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      bazspeedman
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      Re: Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?
      Reply #69: Jan 29, 2017 01:08:38 pm
      Is Firmino faster than Sturridge? No, not even in the current state that Sturridge is in. That said, Firmino only works well when the other team goes behind and are forced to chase the game. When they sit back then it is something else.

      A funny statistic is that Firmino has started 27 games this season and only has 9 goals. Sturridge with his injuries and coming off the bench has 7. Only one of those two has the capability to go on and get 25 goals a season, and it isn't Firmino.

      How many of those 27 starts has Firmino played out wide?

      Firmino is faster, harder working, and more of a goal threat than Sturridge when played up front centrally.

      Simple facts really.
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      Re: Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?
      Reply #70: Jan 29, 2017 01:16:43 pm
      I could swear that we are the league's leading scorers, simple fact is there isn't much wrong with the philosophy but need to do it with more quality
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      Re: Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?
      Reply #71: Jan 29, 2017 01:16:48 pm
      How many of those 27 starts has Firmino played out wide?

      Firmino is faster, harder working, and more of a goal threat than Sturridge when played up front centrally.

      Simple facts really.

      Aye the current Sturridge is a figment of people's imagination from a couple of years ago.

      Can he ever find that acceleration over the 5 yards that made him devastating- not sure!

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      Re: Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?
      Reply #72: Jan 29, 2017 01:22:30 pm
      Aye the current Sturridge is a figment of people's imagination from a couple of years ago.

      Can he ever find that acceleration over the 5 yards that made him devastating- not sure!



      Stu's acceleration is finished.

      He will he sold in the Summer as unfortunately he can no longer do what Klopp demands of his players.
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      Re: Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?
      Reply #73: Jan 29, 2017 01:41:14 pm
      How many of those 27 starts has Firmino played out wide?

      Firmino is faster, harder working, and more of a goal threat than Sturridge when played up front centrally.

      Simple facts really.
      Firmino works harder, that is something I will give you. That said, he went a stretch of 12 games scoring a single goal before he got his double. If you are a forward and you go that long without a goal then we have to doubt just how good you are. If things go at the rate they are, he may well end up with 15 -17 goals having played over 40 games. Is that a good enough return for someone who people look at as the starting 9/false 9 at Liverpool?

      Finally, someone said that each team needs pace, but not to the degree that LFC fans state. It is true. The problems with this team have more to do with a midfield that struggles to create against teams sitting deep, and players who cannot make that forward pass that can turn defense into attack. The same people who now complain that Sturridge is poor cannot see the futility in having your midfielders hoofing the ball to him or a build up so slow the opposing team can see what is coming from a mile away.

      Firmino? I will struggle to count the number of good games he has had this season since Coutinho got injured. He's been that poor.

      As for the question how many games has he started wide? What does that have to do with anything? Look at the forwards in other teams and what they are getting per minute played and compare that with Firmino. You cannot be playing as many games as he is playing and be a handful of goals ahead of Sturridge and Origi who are bit part players.
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      Re: Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?
      Reply #74: Jan 29, 2017 02:29:27 pm
      Sometimes, people look for exotic solutions to what should be simple problems. There are calls for Klopp to go for another formation say a 3-4-3. What would any of those solve?

      The best teams in the world, and most of the best managers tend to stick to one formation. The exceptions to those would be Conte who played 3-5-2 and the 4-midfield diamond-2 at Juventus and Pep Guardiola who shifted across a lot of formations.

      Even Mourinho either played 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 but rarely ever played both formations in a single season. What most teams do is to have players in the same position who have different attributes where a game can change by simply changing the personnel rather than switching formations.

      One of the biggest problems with Rodgers was the fact that he kept changing formations to a point where he had nothing else to turn to.
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      Re: Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?
      Reply #75: Jan 29, 2017 02:43:18 pm
      And we thought we had problems with zonal marking  ;D

      EDIT: Well, we did to be fair
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      Re: Should Klopp Be More Flexible With His Footballing Philosophy?
      Reply #76: Jan 29, 2017 07:17:32 pm
      We've already hounded one good (IMHO) manager out of the door. We were extremely lucky to get a World Class one to replace him, lets keep things in perspective.
      No one is hounding him out, let's keep things in perspective , it's just that a lot of strange decision 's are being made and that make's people really confused and question those decision's being made.

      But as soon as Man Utd overtake us in the league there is gona be a shitstorm. Once again we had a chance to build on something but decided to see how the others do.

      Measuring our development against the other big hitters instead of pushing on to improve our squad and challenge the established players to go up a gear has once again came to bite us on the arse.

      " I'm happy with what i've got " is great when they have won something. Saying that with the race only halfway run and your not even at the front is naive. Especially when flaws in the team are there for all to see ( especially your nearest opponents )

      I cannot believe that Jürgen thought what we had was enough to see us over the line. Seriously? He thought Henderson , Can ,Gini ,Moreno , Mignolet , Lovren , Origi , Firminho , Clyne were going to sustain a top 4 campaign?  They are players who go missing in so many games i have never had faith in any of them .

      In two weeks we are going to out of everything. We had are chance ( again for the umpteenth time ) but blew it once again  thinking the hard work was done. When are we gona learn?

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