NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

It also proves our point that had we spent a little more then it’s fair to say we would have another couple of trophies in the cabinet too.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t provide more. I’m merely stating you’ve done very very well with limited funds.

Put your f**king glasses on nobhead.
My post pointed out that the mancs have a global enterprise in place and LFC have similar and are not far behind

You are a master of f**king waffle.

You don’t half tie yourself up in knots - to even bring in the Mancs owners on any level of comparison is beyond embarrassing

That can’t be “proved” either way - we could have spent £100mil more and still finished 1 point being and lost out in the CL - there are no guarantees

That’s very unlikely though, isn’t it.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t provide more. I’m merely stating you’ve done very very well with limited funds.

I agree. And that’s why theres frustration. Because it could, and should, have been more.

Sometimes principles have to take a back step even though what you say is correct.

Sorry but there is always a level - there aren’t many “nice” billionaires anymore , they all need to be ruthless to get where they are in life and they are all pretty damn smart


The model in the Premier League is fu**ed -the minute Abramovich is walked then it became a rich man’s toy and to get success needed deep pockets

The Middle East oil money just added into it

City we knew have been cheating - they hide their “self sponsership”


So I have no issues with my club doing it in what I believe is the right way to run things


Sustainable, only spend the money the club and find a working FFP model

That maybe fantasy land but I’ll take winning that way every day over the payment way

You don’t half tie yourself up in knots - to even bring in the Mancs owners on any level of comparison is beyond embarrassing

Where is the comparison Nobby?
Once again I say that the mancs have global enterprise and LFC is catching up; by definition of the word 'comparison' that statement does not qualify as such.

Once again you excel yourself in the waffle dept.

Sorry but there is always a level - there aren’t many “nice” billionaires anymore , they all need to be ruthless to get where they are in life and they are all pretty damn smart


The model in the Premier League is fu**ed -the minute Abramovich is walked then it became a rich man’s toy and to get success needed deep pockets

The Middle East oil money just added into it

City we knew have been cheating - they hide their “self sponsership”


So I have no issues with my club doing it in what I believe is the right way to run things


Sustainable, only spend the money the club and find a working FFP model

That maybe fantasy land but I’ll take winning that way every day over the payment way

You hide behind the pandemic but their model was no different before?

That’s very unlikely though, isn’t it.

But it’s impossible to judge - anything can happen , did we lose the league and CL last season because we didn’t spend enough ? Or was it moments in single games - ref decisions , a player mistake , a bounce of a ball here and there , a GK on fire ?


City spent the earth and just scraped past us and still can’t win a CL

Utd spent even more and couldn’t even get CL football

There is no guarantees

And that’s why imo is always lazy that transfers get pointed towards when we just miss out

You hide behind the pandemic but their model was no different before?

I know there model was no different before 🤷‍♂️

No one has said a thing different?

And no one is hiding behind anything - it’s just a fact that the club lost money through the pandemic and in a club that relies on income is going to have to balance that


But what does that have to do with not wanting the club to be run like City etc

But it’s impossible to judge - anything can happen , did we lose the league and CL last season because we didn’t spend enough ? Or was it moments in single games - ref decisions , a player mistake , a bounce of a ball here and there , a GK on fire ?


City spent the earth and just scraped past us and still can’t win a CL

Utd spent even more and couldn’t even get CL football

There is no guarantees

And that’s why imo is always lazy that transfers get pointed towards when we just miss out

And what about any of the times we had injuries, suspensions maybe, players off form, players who are tired and need a rest, players to compete for shirts and raise their game to an even higher level, players to come off from the bench to either see the game out or to go and win it for us and so on.

Impossible to judge yes, but it’s still fair to say had we spent more then it’s very likely we would have gotten over the line on more than one occasion. Seems odd to me that you’re arguing that. 

I know there model was no different before 🤷‍♂️

No one has said a thing different?

And no one is hiding behind anything - it’s just a fact that the club lost money through the pandemic and in a club that relies on income is going to have to balance that


But what does that have to do with not wanting the club to be run like City etc

But you consistently hide behind the pandemic stating a reason FSG don’t spend is because they made losses during covid / empty stadiums.

Why didn’t they spend before covid with full stadiums then?

Why won’t they spend once we’re fully out of the pandemic and those losses have been recouped?

So it’s just a pointless thing mentioning the pandemic. Nothing was different before and nothing will change after.

Sorry but there is always a level - there aren’t many “nice” billionaires anymore , they all need to be ruthless to get where they are in life and they are all pretty damn smart


The model in the Premier League is fu**ed -the minute Abramovich is walked then it became a rich man’s toy and to get success needed deep pockets

The Middle East oil money just added into it

City we knew have been cheating - they hide their “self sponsership”


So I have no issues with my club doing it in what I believe is the right way to run things


Sustainable, only spend the money the club and find a working FFP model

That maybe fantasy land but I’ll take winning that way every day over the payment way

F***ing L,  who said anything about deep pockets, billionaires walking, Middle East oil money and F**k knows what?

FSG have never got their hands in their pocket since they acquired the club.
Once again a lack of quality in depth will ruin our campaign and never mind the horseshit  about Jürgen and FSG being the best of friends!

We need a midfielder as a priority, no loan jobs or potential, we need JWH to get his hand in his pocket and break the habit of a lifetime - sell to buy is not an option for a good result.

And what about any of the times we had injuries, suspensions maybe, players off form, players who are tired and need a rest, players to compete for shirts and raise their game to an even higher level, players to come off from the bench to either see the game out or to go and win it for us and so on.

We have just gone through a season where we have a squad deep enough to challenge for every single trophy on offer and played every single game we could- those players coming off the bench etc were clearly good enough to allow us to do that - no other club has managed it before

Impossible to judge yes, but it’s still fair to say had we spent more then it’s very likely we would have gotten over the line on more than one occasion. Seems odd to me that you’re arguing that.

Maybe but it’s not a guarantee is it - you can’t state that it’s a “proven” when it clearly can’t be - there are a hell of lot of signings out there that have shown that money spent doesn’t guarantee you anything.

It seems some just default to the same reason or excuse when we don’t win - transfers

We didn’t just miss out on the league and CL last season because we didn’t sign someone else in the summer and Jan

I agree. And that’s why theres frustration. Because it could, and should, have been more.

FSG don’t like to break their structure and live within their means. Frustrating as a fan I totally agree. However, from a corporate perspective you’d struggle to disagree. I’m a fan though so I’ll disagree. 

We have just gone through a season where we have a squad deep enough to challenge for every single trophy on offer and played every single game we could- those players coming off the bench etc were clearly good enough to allow us to do that - no other club has managed it before

Maybe but it’s not a guarantee is it - you can’t state that it’s a “proven” when it clearly can’t be - there are a hell of lot of signings out there that have shown that money spent doesn’t guarantee you anything.

It seems some just default to the same reason or excuse when we don’t win - transfers

We didn’t just miss out on the league and CL last season because we didn’t sign someone else in the summer and Jan

How do you know? As you say it can’t be proven. But it’s still more likely had we brought in another player or two we would haven’t gotten over the line and might have even won the lot.

What use was ox to us last season? If we binned him and brought in any decent midfielder would that have made even the slightest bit of difference in our favour? Probably. And where the margins that thin that even the slightest improvement to our squad might have seen us over the line? Yes.

But you consistently hide behind the pandemic stating a reason FSG don’t spend is because they made losses during covid / empty stadiums.

Why didn’t they spend before covid with full stadiums then?

Why won’t they spend once we’re fully out of the pandemic and those losses have been recouped?

So it’s just a pointless thing mentioning the pandemic. Nothing was different before and nothing will change after.

The club are spending - https://www.liverpoolfc.com/corporate/financial-information


It’s all in the accounts - the club do spend , just because they don’t spend £100’s mil on transfers doesn’t mean they aren’t spending money

https://twitter.com/swissramble/status/1387289822415441921?s=21&t=drrb8Kxj9YRqxSGuysiFsQ


The last accounts showed the club made a loss

Sorry but there is always a level - there aren’t many “nice” billionaires anymore , they all need to be ruthless to get where they are in life and they are all pretty damn smart


The model in the Premier League is fu**ed -the minute Abramovich is walked then it became a rich man’s toy and to get success needed deep pockets

The Middle East oil money just added into it

City we knew have been cheating - they hide their “self sponsership”


So I have no issues with my club doing it in what I believe is the right way to run things


Sustainable, only spend the money the club and find a working FFP model

That maybe fantasy land but I’ll take winning that way every day over the payment way

Old school thinking, I’m also old school as you know so hard to disagree. However, everyone trying to teach me this so called new norm. As it’s now the new norm to get rich oil merchants I’m struggling to keep my principles in place.   

F***ing L,  who said anything about deep pockets, billionaires walking, Middle East oil money and f**k knows what?

FSG have never got their hands in their pocket since they acquired the club.
Once again a lack of quality in depth will ruin our campaign and never mind the horseshit  about Jürgen and FSG being the best of friends!

We need a midfielder as a priority, no loan jobs or potential, we need JWH to get his hand in his pocket and break the habit of a lifetime - sell to buy is not an option for a good result.

Once again with the line about the owners spending their own personal wealth


It’s not going to happen so I’m not sure why you keep going on about 🤦‍♂️

Old school thinking, I’m also old school as you know so hard to disagree. However, everyone trying to teach me this so called new norm. As it’s now the new norm to get rich oil merchants I’m struggling to keep my principles in place.   

It is old school but I’ll take it

It is old school but I’ll take it

Me too but does the ideal world still exist?

This thread is like trying to get through War and Peace (The novel)
It's become very clear there isn't going to be a settled agreement on this forum about FSG investment strategy...As there would be no agreement with any fanbase about player recruitment.

Me too but does the ideal world still exist?

Yes - if you have the right structure and personal in place at the key roles and areas

This thread is like trying to get through War and Peace (The novel)
It's become very clear there isn't going to be a settled agreement on this forum about FSG investment strategy...As there would be no agreement with any fanbase about player recruitment.

Best post on here from the last 30 pages.  Wish we had a button that we could ignore thread as well as individuals