Diving ! We're all hypocrites

I was just reading the Luis Suarez thread in the winter transfer board and there seems to be a number off people who have ruled him out because he's a diver and it made me think.

I've been looking through match threads and it's almost  always the same reaction when our player dives everyone's laughing and thinks it's hilarious but when anyone else dives everyone gets up on their high horse and ridicules them.

Read through the threads yourself and look at the posters that have one rule for us and another for everyone else.
Heres one of the many examples I found after Gerrard won the Footballer of the Year

Well done Stevie, its about time the press realised the fantastic talent we have at Anfield.Furthermore Stevie has achieved the award without resorting to diving,take note Drogba and Ronaldo.

Steven Gerrard - Diving hypocrite

Well I'm afraid he does dive Billy1, and I could find clips off Carragher,Ngog,Agger,Pacheco,Babel, just off the top of my head.
Why are people on this forum so hypocritical ? I don't like diving but I'm starting to accept it's becoming part off the modern game and I wont give out about other players doing it unless I was giving out about our own players aswell !!

Can't make such a generalisation, I hate diving and think part of the problem are people who say 'I don't like it, but it's part of the game' - no it f'n isn't, it's against the rules (and spirit) of the game and proponents of this dark art, including our players, should be called on it.

I hope no one has said "but diving, it's a part of the game nowadays".  I don't mind going down easily, in fact I wish Torres would go down more at times, when clearly being impeded.  But diving is another matter altogether.  The more times I see the incident with N'gog, the more I sure if he'd stayed on his feet, he'd have got clattered and still got the penalty, which just feels more honest.  I don't like diving and I hate the feeling of disappointment  I get, if it's one of our players diving.  Don't really agree that things even themselves out over a season either, so this isn't to me 'make-up' time for the beach ball incident.  I'd prefer to win (or even draw or lose)  honest and I don't care if every other team was diving, week in, week out, doesn't mean I should accept that we do it to.

You are a prime example of the hypocrite i'm on about.

I hate diving, Really irritates me, especially when it goes against you. But it's part of the game now and something the Leaders of football will have to try and stamp out.

You are a prime example of the hypocrite i'm on about.

Huge difference between diving & going down when being fouled.

... can of worms being opened in this thread MiciG.

Huge difference between diving & going down when being fouled.

Ya i actually misread that quote sorry :/ i just saw the bit where you said i don't care when other teams dive !!

I don't mind going down easily, in fact I wish Torres would go down more at times, when clearly being impeded.  But diving is another matter altogether.

To be honest, mate, when Torres is not 'up for it' and has an off game, he's on his arse as much as Drogba. When he was getting flack at the start of the season for below par performances, he seemed to spend most of his time collecting the ball then backing into players until they made any sort of challenge, at which point he's leap 2ft off the ground and land in a crumpled heap.
I love Nando but it's something I wish he did LESS, not more.

I was just reading the Luis Suarez thread in the winter transfer board and there seems to be a number off people who have ruled him out because he's a diver and it made me think.

I've been looking through match threads and it's almost  always the same reaction when our player dives everyone's laughing and thinks it's hilarious but when anyone else dives everyone gets up on their high horse and ridicules them.

Read through the threads yourself and look at the posters that have one rule for us and another for everyone else.
Heres one of the many examples I found after Gerrard won the Footballer of the Year

Steven Gerrard - Diving hypocrite

Well I'm afraid he does dive Billy1, and I could find clips off Carragher,Ngog,Agger,Pacheco,Babel, just off the top of my head.
Why are people on this forum so hypocritical ? I don't like diving but I'm starting to accept it's becoming part off the modern game and I wont give out about other players doing it unless I was giving out about our own players aswell !!

I agree with you to an extent, i hate diving but I know it at times comes from our very own players, but that video highlights something that you've not realised, there are about 5 clips of gerrard 'diving' spread over what, 4 years of his footballing career say. There is no way you can compare him with the likes of Drogba, Nani etc when these players are doing it more than a few times per match.

Ya i actually misread that quote sorry :/ i just saw the bit where you said i don't care when other teams dive !!

And you've misread that as well, because the qualifier is just because others sdo it, doesn't mewe should accept it.

I hate to see diving as it is a form of cheating to get a free kick or penalty for your team, I think generally our players aren't nowhere near as bad as some other teams who blatantly fall over as if they've been shot, like Ronaldo when he played for the scum, and Drogba for instance.

I think if you asked any Footballer if he could take advantage of a situation, and he answered honestly, then he would answer 'yes'.

Some players are far worse then others and I think it's up to the Ref's to keep an eye on these known 'cheats' and deal with them accordingly.

Liverpool have won the fair play league many times in the past which proves they are far from the worst offenders in the League.

I agree with you to an extent, I hate diving but I know it at times comes from our very own players, but that video highlights something that you've not realised, there are about 5 clips of gerrard 'diving' spread over what, 4 years of his footballing career say. There is no way you can compare him with the likes of Drogba, Nani etc when these players are doing it more than a few times per match.

Ah to be fair i could find alot more !

and I could find clips off Carragher,Ngog,Agger,Pacheco,Babel, just off the top of my head.

I can guarantee that at least 3 of those player don't dive, so I very much doubt you could find those clips.

Carragher? Havin' a laugh aren't you?

Ah to be fair I could find alot more !

Go on then!

Stupid thread IMO, i remember when N'gog went down in that Birmingham game last season it was almost unanimous condemning of the action. No one here likes diving, i just think when one of ours do it and get a penalty for it most probably think "well, we'll take it because everyone else does it" - but that does not mean we are condoning it. Like i said, i think almsot everyone was not happy with N'gog - but at the same time, we were not gonna say no to the penalty were we!

Stevie G is more of an exaggerator than a diver, if you get my meaning. Usually he has reason to go down, he just looks like an arse when he does it He certainly isn't in the same league as Dogbreath or ladyboy.

We are all hypocrits in one way or another, and yes our players have dived, but at least our players do not turn it into a art form and only on occasion do one or two fall by the way-side, you cant really blame the players they have been let off for far to long and as such people like referees, lines-men, coaches and others seem to just accept it as part of the game, there is only one way to stamp it out and that means more yellow and red cards but that needs ref's with balls to implement it, in my personal opinion i would dock the team responsible points and ban the culprit for 5 games, maybe then coaches who encourage diving would have a word before leaving the dressing room.

Go on then!

The Sheffield utd penalty ?

I hate that it is part of the game, but it is. Until there are harsher regulations against diving it will continue. It's not legal, but as long as dives are called as fouls it will continue. And yes, our players do it too. I do also think we underestimate the speed and power these players face on a daily basis. Hell, in F***ing leagues I play in people have called me a diver, when I've been pulled on and tripped or fallen. Not like I'm doing it intentionally, but when someone knocks me off my balance it is possible to fall.

These are proffesional sportsmen paid highly for winning this is not the Corinthians. Despise it as we may do but its not going to go away. I particularily hate the way forwards put their foot onto the goalkeeper knowing full well a penalty will be awarded.
Maybe a video Ref in the penalty area wouldnt cause much delay but at least it gives us some good talking points after the match.

These are proffesional sportsmen paid highly for winning this is not the Corinthians. Despise it as we may do but its not going to go away. I particularily hate the way forwards put their foot onto the goalkeeper knowing full well a penalty will be awarded.
Maybe a video Ref in the penalty area wouldnt cause much delay but at least it gives us some good talking points after the match.

Simple one match ban for every offence, every game would make a difference.  Regardless of what the Referee decides on the pitch there is enough video evidence to apply it retrospectively.  Possibly backed up with a fine for the Club, I'm sure there would be a lot less of it.

Doubt the FA, UEFA or FIFA would agree though, they're not that keen on the game being brought into disrepute  

No i'v got a simple solution.If a player is suspected off diving the referee should go over and ask him if he dived ? If he lies and is proven to have lied he should get a suspension and a fine if he continues to do it, the fines and suspensions get bigger !! Easy.

Players who stupidly dive too much do it in the unefficient way, they get a bad reputation and sometimes get finally punished, having no free kicks for real fouls against them.

Players who intelligently dive only when needed and they are sure the referee hasn't a good angle, and who try to maintain a reputation of fair play by condemning stupid divers, do it in the efficient way, looking honest make them the best cheaters.

Professionnal players who never dive just don't exist (one or two exceptions may confirm the rule that's all).

Suarez is in first category with Ronaldo, Gerrard in second, Torres it's variable (I'd say first category diver with Spain in last world cup, more intelligent in general here).

It's better for a club to have intelligent divers than stupid ones so it may be an arguement against Suarez. Anyway he has lot of qualities to compensate. I don't think it's the most important aspect of football.

The Sheffield utd penalty ?

OK, so he took advantage of a bad tackle.